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(salam) The last shadda you counted doesn't count, because it is in the beginning of the word, and this shadda only signifies that one reads it almost as "hudallil'alamin" instead of "hudan lil'alamin". It doesn't count as a double letter. 48-1 = 47.

(salam) Try recounting where you count two letters at a shadda in the middle of a word. Someone can confirm but I once read that in older arabic words were written with the letters duplicated at the shadda, and later shortened to just putting a shadda. I'm not sure about this though. Not that this makes their argument about the golden ratio right, but I just wanted to point out that it may not have been a dishonest presentation in the sense you're suggesting.

Thank you both for your replies, and I apologize for the delay I wonder what sort of response Islam has to the ideas presented in this poem I can see what you're saying here, but to me I can't imagine that God would make it so even logic is unreliable. I mean, without logic, how can we know anything? The main reason why I brought up the logic assumption in the initial post is because I don't know if I can trust arguments like "you know God exists deep down", etc. I vaguely remember you making an argument similar to this about a person assuming a chair will continue to exist before sitting on it. I agree that we do assume and have faith in things in our life because of prior experiences, but why should God's existence and his religion be something that isn't knowable for sure? I would expect something this profound to be impossible to deny, especially since disbelieving in it is so heavily punishable. If God exists then is it fair that he will allow someone to live their life with the gift of strong faith and have the privilege of knowing him, while another person wanders aimlessly and live a confused and unsure life? Even if they aren't punished, is this still fair?

What i said applies in general i didnt have the OP or anybody specific in mind when talking anyways sorry for derailing the thread au revoir

i apologize if my initial post wasn't clear nobody said you can't enjoin good and forbid evil my friend the proper way to do it is to let the imams speak (in other words, quote ahadith about the subject as a brother already did, and let the person know that what they're doing is condemned by Allah) the improper way is to judge people and assume to know what's in their hearts. Only God knows what's in people's hearts ​As one brother already mentioned, even the infallible imams (as) would go pale during salah. i wonder if any of us has reached such a stage, and if not, then why are we sitting here thinking about how others don't feel God's presence????? we should worry about ourselves in the eyes of Allah, and not assume we know what's in people's hearts!!!!! and we should enjoin good and forbid evil for his sake alone take care

We should all worry about ourselves instead of the state of others Only God knows what's in people's hearts

Is everyone here nuts?

Im thinking about how crazy it is that this thread has 641 pages ...

Salam Alaykom Firstly, this discussion is under the pretext that God exists and he has a religion that we must follow (Islam), and that he also has the attributes that Islam asserts. Secondly, let's assume that logic is the tool one must use to find the truth. I have a problem with "gut feeling", following the heart, etc, because it's subjective. Many people born in various religions naturally feel that their religion is true; the only thing that we all really have in common for sure is our ability to think rationally. If you disagree with this assumption, and believe that logic is not the only tool that should be used to find the truth, please prove this to me, although funnily enough your proof itself will probably require logic (lol)... I believe there are three possibilities: i) God revealed his religion in such a way that one can come to a completely logical and independent conclusion that is the one and only true religion ii) God revealed his religion so that it is very likely that it is the one and only true religion, but there are "leaps of faith" required (you cannot justify the religion based on logic alone) iii) God revealed his religion in such a way that there are many other seemingly valid paths, although he only accepts the one true religion If it is i), can someone please provide me with the complete logical proofs of God's religion? If this is indeed true, then it would definitely be justifiable to claim that we are all responsible to follow God's religion and that God can punish us for not adhering to it. iii) is against the first assumption we made, since it would be unjust for God to deceive us and then punish us for it. It seems to me that ii) is the only option... That it's reasonable to assume that Islam is the true religion, but one cannot be 100% sure unless they "have faith" and "trust Allah". If this is true, then my question is: Is it just for God to punish us for not believing in Islam since we cannot come to a completely and independent logical conclusion that it is true? I think I might be looking at this with a very narrow perspective, which is why I am posting my question here. Hopefully you guys can help me look at things differently. Thanks, and please keep the discussion on-topic.

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The fact that Imam Mahdi may be coming soon makes me worried; it's like the teacher tells you the unit test is tomorrow but you still haven't done any of the homework to prepare

Salam alaykom If Allah does not make His Path clear to us, then how is it just for Him to punish us for not believing in it? I do not understand how making the truth unclear sorts out believers from hypocrites; to me it seems like it just sorts out people who just accept things easily from people who want to be sure about which path they choose to follow. Regarding your first point of Allah just writing "Become Muslim" in the sky, well isn't that similar to something as direct of a miracle as the Prophet splitting the moon? So people from before were given the chance to see such explicit signs while for us, the people of today, we have to just accept faith? Either way, miracles don't necessarily bring iman anyways so I guess I'm talking nonesense.

Phenomena is already plural, so get rid of that e! thank you for your bad news

The difference between dogs and people is that dogs know how to be dogs

i cant work without background noise.. should i listen to music instead?