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  1. Salam alaykum

    Does Allah swt consider the repentance of a believer during his last moments?

    What I mean by this is that I know that Pharoah, upon seeing his death coming, said he believed yet Allah swt did not consider his repentance since it was too late. He refused the truth until the last second.

    Now the question is does Allah swt accept the requests of believers during their last breath? Or even during times when he thought he was going to die?


  2. The Hadees does not say to observe FAST on the Day of Ashura, which is discarded by Aaima-e-Tahireen ASWS.

    Keeping fast during the first 9 days of Muharram

    Sheikh Toosi has written, “It is recommended to hold fast during the first 10 days of Muharram. However on the day of Ashura (10th Muharram) one should simply abstain from eating and drinking until the late afternoon, then he should eat a little of the soil from the grave of Imam Hussain (asws).

    To refrain from eating and drinking without making niyyat (intention) of fasting

    For Shias it is worth abstaining from eating and drinking without the intention of fasting during the day. In the late afternoon they should eat things which are eaten by the bereaved such as yogurt, milk, etc. and not eat delicious tasting foods. They should also wear clean clothes and roll up their sleeves like the bereaved people.

    Fasting is not allowed on the day of Ashura

    Allamah Majlisi in his book Zad al Ma’ad has written, “It is preferable to not hold fast on the 9th and 10th of Muharram because Bani Ummayyah (la) used to hold fast on these days in order to receive blessings and to rejoice at the martyrdom of Imam Hussain (asws). They (Bani Ummayyah la) have misled people by attributing to RasoolAllaah (saw) a large number of false hadiths which claim the rewards of fasting on these two days. However there are numerous hadiths narrated by Masoomeen (asws) which state holding fast on these days but in particular the day of Ashura is haraam.”

    Even if it does not talk about fasting, the hadith contradicts the reasons proposed by the site as to deny the joyful events related to Moses on Ashura.

    What are the proofs that they invented theses hadiths to conceal the martyrdom? What if if it was just a coincidence that hussein as died that day and the fasts were actually prescribed?

  3. http://www.al-islam.org/an-overview-of-mahdis-government-najimuddin-tabasi/11.htm

    Imam al-Baqir (‘a) also said: “Hadrat Qa’im (‘a) will stage the uprising on Saturday on the day of ‘Ashura’, the day when Imam Husayn (‘a) was martyred.”[165] He (‘a) also said: “Do you know what day—’Ashura’—is this? It is the day when God accepted the repentance of Adam (Adam) and Hawwa (Eve); the day when God split the sea for the Children of Israel, drowned Pharaoh and his legion and made Musa (Moses) triumphant over Pharaoh; the day when Ibrahim (Abraham) was born; the day when God accepted the repentance of the people of Yunus (Jonah); the day when Hadrat ‘Isa was born; and the day when Hadrat Qa’im will stage the uprising.”[166]

    If this hadith is true, it kinda says that the sunnis are right when they say that the day is mostly a joyful day other than the martyrdom of Hussein as. Therefore I find some problems with the arguments presented here: http://www.al-islam.org/al-serat/fastofashura.htm

    Has someone ever thought of this?

  4. Think:

    1. Do kuffars get punished in their graves? If so, they are alive, for the dead cannot receive punishment. If martyrs and good people are also alive in their graves, then one must ask himself what the word "alive" mean in the quran when Allah says "do not say martyrs are dead, they are alive".

    2. Understanding that Ghayb is only relative to the knowledge of Allah, it is NECESSARY that other entities cannot know everything, for if they did, there would be no "ghayb" for them, making their knowledge infinite.

    3. If a woman dresses like a prostitute, walks like a prostitute, acts like a prostitute, can we, as human beings, consider her a prostitute? If it is only logical to do so, then how can we not call someone a mushrik if he prays like a mushrik (spiritually invokes other than Allah), talks like a mushrik (says other than Allah hears spiritual supplications), acts like a mushrik (puts his spiritual trust in other than Allah)?

    4. What is a god? Since "divinity" cannot be only limited to "supreme power" (since polytheists do not believe all of their gods are supreme), then when is the barrier crossed between divinity and non-divinity, i.e. what attributed caracteristics or functions does Allah consider to be shirk?

    5. Why is going to sorcerers shirk? Is it not because they claim/you believe they know what is unseen?

    6. Did holy people ever possess theses supernatural hearing and responding abilities during their lives? Who during the time of the Prophet ever said "O prophet, help me" from afar? When did people, in mass, ask the Prophet thousands requests at a time and was able to absorb them? How can we claim that death unlocked theses hidden powers?

  5. (salam)

    We have no Nafila prayer which is more than two "Rakats", except Jafar Tayyar, which is 4 rakats.

    so as Nafila prayers are two rakat,so it's better that you say your mentioned prayers two by two.




    If I'm not mistaken shias have nafila prayers of more than 2 rakats http://www.al-islam.org/laws/rulesofnamaaz1.html

    I don't feel my questions have been answered. Thanks for your response tho

    1. Can I do salat whenever I want?

    2. Can I do the number of rakats I want during theses salat?

    3. If so, do I proceed like this nya, 2 rakats, salam, 2 rakats, salam, etc?

    Would like to get answers from both sides


  6. (salam)

    Question for both shias and sunnis

    Can we do salat whenever we want throughout the day? And if so, is there a specific way to do theses rakats? I'm not talking about the obligatory prayers or "defined" nafl prayers (like 2 rakats before fajr).

    Example: Can I pray 10, 15, 100 rakats in the middle of the night, or during the day, if I feel like it? If I can, then how do we proceed with the tasleem? Every 2 rakats?


  7. Once again, you shouldn't be finding any of this amusing if you are truly searching for the Truth. Otherwise, stop wasting other people's time and your own.

    It would be very difficult to come to an absolute answer to that question. However, both are routes of shirk.

    there's absolute answer.

    There are certain actions that are considered shirk/kufr.

    Scrificing an animal in the name of other than Allah

    Bowing down to a statue

    wearing amulets and talismans

    making haram halal and vice versa

    invoking other than Allah


    Just like some actions are haram, some actions are kufr

    intention is important once the action is halal

  8. Aren't the necessary elements of Imamate two: to recognize the Imam of your time and to not hold enmity towards the Ahl al-Bayt (as). Having both of these keeps you within the fold of Islam, and Sunnis do have these beliefs, albeit they're not united on the identity of Imam al-`Asr (as). Also, all of our affairs are with Allah, those of us who accept Imamate in its entirety or just the elements above. It's a rather arrogant thing to make some sort of hierarchy when even though we might have the guidance, we may not be using it and staying faithful to it as we should.

    By the way, I think it's worth mentioning that someone can hold beliefs that constitute kufr and not be outside of the fold of Islam.


  9. Read your response. There is a God and He will question you for your reason. Is this how you respond to me? Giving me a link to an already weak tasfeer with an even weaker reply.

    The truth has unfolded and every reader will see it, you have no answer. Nor shall you ever. I pride myself on being reasonable, to the extent that I can agree with someones logic even if I do not share the view. But you, however, have nothing.

    I hope others are not fooled by how you write, because you certainly appear to know things, but questioned thoroughly, you seemed to have no real response. If you do not wish to discuss this further then let me know, so that a moderator may close this.

    tafsir ibn kathir is weak?


    you don't care about the truth

    have fun

  10. I have dedicated a thread for you, fallah, so that you may answer my queries about this. Once I am satisfied, then I shall wonder about the questions you give.

    Explain to me the verse in which Ibrahim (as) had become an Imam.


    How about you explain to me how you think this verse proves that there are 12 infallible imams after the prophet that we should follow.

  11. Have you not noticed at word 'obey' which is common between His mesenger and Ulil Amra among you?

    and for messenger it is mentioned that 'If ye obey him, ye will go aright'.

    [24:54] Say: Obey Allah and obey the messenger. But if ye turn away, then (it is) for him (to do) only that wherewith he hath been charged, and for you (to do) only that wherewith ye have been charged. If ye obey him, ye will go aright. But the messenger hath no other charge than to convey (the message) plainly.

    But when Rasool(S.A.W.) is not between us then whom do we obey?

    Have you not noticed the rest of the verse?

    When Allah says obey authority, he of course means obey those who are in charge because in any type of group, in order to have cohesion, you must obey those in authority. Now the question comes when this authority is not islamic, thus Allah says "If you quarel, return to the messenger and Allah", meaning, don't obey authority if they tell you to do something unislamic.

  12. You start reading verse 7:25 to 7:35.

    Verses are addressing people who existed at the time of reavalation.

    Who are these ‘Rosolan’ mentioned in verse 7:35 ?

    [7:35] O ye Children of Adam! whenever there come to you rosolan from amongst you, rehearsing My signs unto you,- those who are righteous and mend (their lives),- on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve.

    Rosolan is plural of Arabic word ‘Rosol’

    Messengers , i.e Prophets.


    No they are not.

    Neither Khidhr nor Isa have authority as prophets even though they are alive. So obviously there is a difference.

    If you are claiming for Isa what we claim for Mahdi, it means you are out of the fold of Islam on two counts: firstly, you believe in the continuity of the prophethood of Isa, and thereby reject the prophethood of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) (for if Isa's prophethood is continued because of his life, then there's no need for any other prophet), and secondly because you've favoured Bani Israel over Aal Muhammad (pbuh), for in the former, there were good and bad, while in the latter, your prayer is incomplete without salawat upon them.

    The successors (awsiya, not all of whom were prophets) of all previous prophets have been twelve, and the sunnah of Allah does not change, both of these facts are mentioned in the Qur'an. Why would it be any different for the best of Allah's messengers?

    Even if you do not rely on the Sunnah of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) - which you have to rely upon as per the command in the Holy Qur'an - there are many ayat which prove the following of the best of people, and there is no doubt that the best of people after the Prophet (pbuh) were his progeny.

    Not only are they divinely guided but they are witnesses upon the actions of everyone. Again this is in the Qur'an. The fact that authority over believers is with Allah, his Messenger and the one who gives zakat in ruku, although many tried, there was only one for whom this ayah was revealed.

    Where does he say that there cannot be leaders after the Prophet (pbuh)? The fact that human beings appointed leaders after the Prophet (pbuh) is evidence that leaders were necessary. Now either you can follow manmade leaders or leaders chosen by Allah. The choice is yours.

    Surely we have shown you the "sabeel", it is up to you whether you are grateful or ungrateful.

    The "sabeel" is not the Prophet (pbuh), rather it is someone else. Ponder, and you might find the answer.

    Long tafseer and suppositions, no verse.

    Getting tired.

  13. I hope you do this at least for the Prophet (pbuh) when you pray or when you visit his mosque in Medina.

    The idea behind "Ya `Ali Madad" is that the intention is that Imam `Ali (as) is being used as a waseela. The one who believes that he will render the benefit has committed shirk, but the one who believes that their du`a will be enriched by his mention and Allah will render the benefit, then such a person has not committed shirk. Of course, I'm just giving a rationale for this. I don't really agree with this practice at all. The best intercession is that of the Qur`an or of Allah's attributes.

    Intention doesn't matter when the action is already haram.

    Allah will not look at your intention if you commit zina, steal money or pray to an idol.

    You cannot say it is halal for me to steal because I have the intention of giving that money to charity.

    The whole basis behind this wasela thing is lack of faith, they reduced Allah to an inaccessible agent, who has some demi-gods responding to people's prayers.

    Psychologically people are weak so they fall for anything physical that can replace Allah in terms of practice, and that is the basis of idolatry.

    Do you find it weird that the same people who pray to the imams have their pictures and go to their graves?

    Do you honestly see any difference between this practice and that of christians who go in front of a statue to pray to Allah?

    Honestly, it doesn't even need a whole lot of thinking. did anyone pray to the imams when they were alive? Did anyone ever ask the Prophet something from afar while he was alive? Or did the people go to him to ask him something? Then why the sudden increase of power? WHERE DOES Allah EVER SAY PRAY TO SOMEONE ELSE THAN HIM?????????????????????????????????????????????????

    Can we send Salam to one who is dead or one who is not in this world?

    Allah says in a verse send salam to the prophet.

    He never said pray to someone other than Allah.

  14. The fact remains that she LEAD and RALLIED the army. She holds full responsibility for the death of more than 10000 Muslims.

    If Muslim troops killed innocnet men under the leadership of the Prophet, will you hold the Prophet responsible for it?

    Think again.

    Did Ayesha gather an army? if yes, for what purpose?

    Did she herself call the people to form an army, or was there already alot of rumble after the death of uthman?

    She was among those who were intrigued of the death of uthman, and knowing that she was the wife of the prophet, she politically did have some power and thus she became the representative of this group.

    Remember she's a woman, I don't think that he could physically call people to an uprising. There was already an uprising, she being among this and being the wife of the prophet, she was put at the head of it. Ali was of his family, so aisha, being of his family too, served a political purpose.

    She was wrong in the act of making a scene and actually be in front of this uprising, but you cannot blame her for the deaths if Ali himself did not punish her. Did he punish her? I would like to know.

  15. There are evidences for these, I have not given them since I was more interested in arguing my point, to which he has not bothered to reply anymore

    What point?

    Did Allah ever say in the Quran that he leaves us 12 men from the progeny of our Prophet that we are bound to follow them?

    Does he even say that he leaves us the progeny of muhammad to follow?

    Does he even say that he left divine guided men after the prophet?

    Did he even say that he appointed leaders after the Prophet?

    No he doesn't. All of this is fabricated. You believe in it because someone told you about it, not because you found it in Allah's words. You guide Allah's words with this concept in your mind instead of actually looking at the book of Allah and see if this thing exists.

    Show us all the verses you think somehow "hint" to that, then we will look into the context of theses verse.

  16. Verse 4:59 is sufficient as proof for Imamat

    [4:59] O you who believe! obey Allah and obey the Messenger and Ulil Amra among you; then if you quarrel about anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you believe in Allah and the last day; this is better and very good in the end.

    If you quarel, Allah says return to the Prophet and Allah, not to the ulil amr. Thus, ulil amr can be in the wrong.

  17. Aisha's error was to go out in public and make a scene. Both sects agree to this. shias go a step furthwer and say she was the one who ordered the army to attack his troops, while the truth may be that the army went out without her signal, as there was already tensions and insults being thrown at each side, thus the battle begun. And it makes more sense, since Ali didn't kill her nor disrespected her after the battle.

    Believe what you wish.

  18. The discussion was never about who (in person) is the actual Mehdi. So I don't see the point of your argument. The discussion was about who is supposed to be the Hujat and/or Authority for Muslims from Allah. You claimed that Prophet Isa is the Hujjah after Prophet Muhammad P.b.u.H; thus, according to you there is no need/place of Mehdi. Whereas I was clarifying that there IS a prominent figure in Islamic history known as Hazrat Mehdi. You can call him an Imam or a muhadith.....either way, He will be the one leading the Ummah.

    Now as to whether He is an existing Hujjat in ghaybat, this is a debatable topic. Shias believe that He is and they have references to support their point. Sunnis have a variety of opinions. Some of them believe that He is the 12th and the spiritual Imam (only) and from the progeny of the Prophet. Others believe that He will be born as a muhadith and will be from the Progeny of the Prophet. And there are those who even believe that He is not from the Progeny of the Prophet and/or they don't really believe in Him at all.


    Typically, people ask about the mehdi because the claims about him are huge and at the same time obscure. And I don't see why there should be a hujjah at all times, I just resorted to saying that there were already hujjas on earth, so him being a necessity isn't valid.

    So yes, can you provide the documents about the mehdi being your 12th imam? When and where he was born? Any documented existence of him in books of other groups?

  19. What do you mean my Mehdi ? I thought you were unbiased and did not indulge in labels and sects ? Seems like you havn't read the traditions in sunni and shia texts which clearly mention Him (Al-Mehdi).....The Mehdi I am talking about is mentioned in many Islamic books, sunni & shia.

    And the fact that Hazrat Isa a.s is praying behind Hazrat Mehdi a.s does show that Hazrat Isa a.s is not the Supreme Authority and/or Hujjah after the Prophet Muhammad P.b.u.H. Because someone else (from the progeny of the Prophet P.b.u.h) is leading the Muslims.


    "Your" mehdi, because back at that time many were claiming to be the mehdi. I am unbiased. Why is your mehdi more valid in terms of evidence than someone else's claim? Even according to your own stories the Mehdi was hidden from the public and went through a minor occultation, how am I supposed to believe that your mehdi even existed? Can you provide evidence from other books where Al Askari had a son, and that this son was the mehdi? That he was hidden, etc.?

  20. I have already shared a reference which provides their chronological order of appearance. What do you mean point out the source ? There were atleast 3 other hujats after Yahia.

    Havn't you read in your ahadith books that Jesus a.s will pray (as a Muslim ummati) behind Hazrat Mehdi a.s ?

    As I am free of this sectarian game, there's no set of hadith that defines me. I'm restricted to evidence, no labels.

    And the fact that he prays in front of him doesn't mean there are 12 infallible imams appointed by Allah. I fail to see your point.

    Why is your mehdi any more valid than someone else's mehdi? Look back at history, mehdis were everywhere. Why is yours the correct one? Because your own books say so?

    You could play the game, but it would take you outside the fold of Islam as you'd be rejecting the hujjat of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) in order to do so. Isa isn't in occultation, he's in the heavens. Imam Zaman (as) is in the earth. You might want to learn a thing or two before you start making claims you don't have the knowledge or the sense to back up.

    In both cases they are in occultation, as occultation related to be hidden, out of sight, in the gheyb. There's Khudr too on earth, amirite?

    And I fail to see how one would be out of the fold of Islam.

  21. I understand that the hadith in question actually talks about a "Hujat" of Allah existing at all times. A Prophet is also a Hujat.


    Yahia didn't live for 600 years, and to my knowledge he came at the time of Jesus. And of course, point out the source for the rest. And ofc, we can play the game and say Jesus was already a hujjat after the prophet as he is in occultation, so the existance of mehdi isn't needed for this constant hujjat concept.

    It is not necessary for an Imam to declare himself. He has to be found

    The more this discussion goes on, the more ludicrous theses claims are.

    Allah declared himself and didn't wait for anyone to find him. It follows that the proof of Allah would declare himself, not hide.

    You can read through the Quran and miss out important concepts. It the fault of the reader. Maybe he was more contemplative he would have seen. The Heirs of the prophets are their kin. This much even a child knows

    No, it isn't the fault of the reader if Allah talks off Imamat in a so obscure way. Your claims are only insulting the Book of Guidance of being esoteric, dark, secret, when truth should shine, and should be evident. The word Imam appears not so many times, and it has been used for disbelievers too. It also has been used for something else than "leader". You can't blame me for not believing your claims. If you passed primary school, you should know words have more than one meaning, and they depend on context. and when words are clear, you can't invent another meaning to it and go against the context. The projeny of Abraham is most likely Isaac and Ishamel. If one goes to a larger sense, it also includes the subsequent prophets, knowing that Allah said the prophets are of one family. No way could this mean something else. And yes their heirs are their kins, just like we all consider ourselves heirs of the Prophet. You,re telling me that I have a narrow view while you've been discussing theses words only in a narrow view.

    Your problem is that you have a narrow field of view. You see knowledge coming from form Allah as being something of a rarity. While truth is all knowledge comes from Allah, who is the source of all things, what is different is your level of awareness of the true source.

    I'm not narrowing down anything, you're the ones who keep telling me the word Imam here refers to Imammat, while I'm saying it refers to something more general. Your sentence is as obscure as your concept. Using mysticism to cover reality is not a valid way to convince someone of an evident matter.

    ‘The difference between the messengers, the

    prophets and the Imam is that a messenger is one to whom Jibril

    (Gabriel) comes. He sees Jibril and hears his speech and Jibril

    (the angel) brings him (Divine) revelation and sometimes he

    may see in his dream something like the dream of Abraham

    (peace be upon him). A prophet is one who may hear the speech

    (of the angel) and may see (his) person and may not hear (him).

    The Imam is the one who hears the speech but does not see the

    person (of the angel).’”

    Mariam herd an angel, and maybe even saw him.

    I fail to see how a relationship with jibrel can define your mission.

    Allah talked to Moses directly, wouldn't that mean he's more than a messenger?

  22. Sham'oon Bin Hamoon Safa

    Yahya Bin Zikriya




    Source: Amali Sheikh Sadooq - Vol 2 - Urdu edition - Published by Minhaj ul Saleheen. Pg 170 - 171


    Yahia was a Prophet.

    I haven't heard of the rest.

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