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  1. Mutaa according to you guys doesn't need witnesses, am I correct? Questions: 1. How does one engage in mutaa contract without witnesses if it is not permissible for a man to be alone with a woman? 2. 5:5 This day (all) the good things are allowed to you; and the food of those who have been given the Book is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them; and the chaste from among the believing women and the chaste from among those who have been given the Book before you (are lawful for you); when you have given them their dowries, taking (them) in marriage, not fornicating nor taking them for paramours in secret; and whoever denies faith, his work indeed is of no account, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers. How can you not classify mutaa as a secret marriage, since witnesses are not needed? 3. An argument for mutaa is that it helps someone who can't endure the responsibility of permanent marriage yet. We read: 24:33 And let those who do not find the means to marry keep chaste until Allah makes them free from want out of His grace. And (as for) those who ask for a writing from among those whom your right hands possess, give them the writing if you know any good in them, and give them of the wealth of Allah which He has given you; and do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, when they desire to keep chaste, in order to seek the frail good of this world's life; and whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. If mutaa was permissible, then how come Allah says remain chaste if you don't have the means to marry? How can the practical "advantage" of mutaa be real, when the woman can end up pregnant and thus the man ends up with a financial burden, shooting himself in the foot?
  2. LOL wahabi views? Fadlallah held this view, how about you put back my comment?
  3. Ask you something, if shias are kufar because they insult some sahabas, why are not sahabas bigger kufars if they made war to each other? Apply the reverse, why not also say Allah has promised justice for all, including shias, because they accepted the message of the prophet?
  4. Oh and, 2 minutes of searching will make you realize something. David was a King, his son was Sulayman, and he was also a King. If Prophets leave no inheritance, then Sulayman wouldn't have a kingdom. Some say he inherited prophethood and knowledge without material possession. If that was the case, then how does one become a king without a kingdom? Another way of approaching this is 1. Prophets are humans, they are fathers and have families. Is there a law in the holy books that the prophets do not have to obey? If not, then the laws of inheritance is necessarily applicable. 2. If David gave everything in charity, how did Solomon become the king? Where did he get the kingdom from? can someone verify if indeed he became king at a young age according to sources?
  5. EDITED - Please keep your comment to the Shia-Sunni forum.
  6. interesting hadith, so they came back over and over for the property? During the caliphate of the first and the second ?
  7. If there was enmity against ahlul bayt, why do we find many sahih hadith from the sunni side promoting ahlul bayt's status, narrated by companions/wives?
  8. sunni and shia responses needed, thanks
  9. 1. If there was a change of tone towards Ali from among the companions just because of Fatima's status, what does that say about them? Did they forget about Ali's status? 2. Was Ali really jealous, even though the Prophet compared him to Aaron? Was that really the reason he didn't give oath of allegiance for 6 months? 3. The hadith seem to implicate that not only Fatima was in dispute about the property of the Prophet, but Ali also. How can both Ali and Fatima be wrong, when both have been raised by the Prophet, and the Prophet said this: 4. If Fatima was wrong, then does that mean Fatima's anger was unjust? I don't think the daughter of the Prophet would remain angry and would not accept the truth if Abu Bakr told her a valid argument. + It's not like Ali and her knew less about the Prophet's possessions and teachings than Abu Bakr. And finally, if the argument that Prophets do not leave inheritance is true and is related to this, then Ali and Fatima would find no difficulty to give it as charity. 5. In the laws of Islam, who becomes responsible of what to do with the property and possessions of a deceased person, the state or the family?
  10. (salam) Why are the "rightly guided caliphs" four? Wasn't Hassan rightly guided, and Muawiya worthy of (ra) ?
  11. Care to narrate the sahih shia hadiths about 12 caliphs? Thanks (salam)
  12. All theses people do is worship fake scholars instead of Allah. They've turned the Imams into Prophets, and the Prophets as demigods by praying to them. It's polytheism, and those who practice or hold such belief are guilty of kufr and shirk. 7 pages and nobody gave me one supplication that Allah has thaught us in the quran where other than Allah was invoked. one of the reasons I left this forum
  13. Bold: Clear kufr. Might as well call Ali a Prophet then, if there is no distinction between both. Sick.
  14. "Ya Ali Madad" Who are you praying to? Who are you addressing?
  15. Nobody said asking help is haram. Praying to people is haram. The Prophet didn't invoke Ali. Secondly, The Prophet doesn't need waseela according to your own ideas (him being the closest thing to god), so why would he cry to Ali as you try to make it look like it? The more you write, the more you expose yourself.
  16. They claim to follow Ahlul Bayt as an example, yet nobody among them ever invoked other than Allah. What ways are they following? Ahlul Bayt? More like the ways of jahl.
  17. He's also next to your friend Orion. Tell me, is Ali omnipresent, does he duplicate himself to listen to you? Or his knowledge is equal to Allah's knowledge, his presence is equal to Allah's presence? When you call on him for help, why would you think that he will answer you? Does he possess such powers to answer your call? please, don't call yourself a shia. Ali would burn you. Was Ali next to everyone when he was on earth? Why then do you believe things will change after he passes away? Read the quran. I quoted around 120 verses proving you wrong. What do you have left? Your own whims and self-made logic. Using your own ways of thought, I could render praying to Chrishna halal. I could turn bowing down to status of Uzza halal. Actually, every haram can become halal if you want to twist the religion like you guys are doing.
  18. You're a liar. saying ya Grandpa madad when he's right next to you is considered asking a person to help you. Ali is not next to you, you made him a god. I won't take my words back. If I say Ya Uzza, I'm not calling Allah. If I say, Ya Grandpa, I'm not calling Allah. When I say Ya X, I'm not calling Y. Logic 101.
  19. Liar. "Ya Ali Madad" is praying to ali, unless you believe Ali is Allah.
  20. When will you people understand that Prayer is WORSHIP? Orion, you're exaggerating in your explanations. The fact that Allah creates and controls the universe the way He wills does not render praying to other than Him permissible. Stop running around in circles. Show us a single dua/prayer in the Quran directed to other than Allah. Just one. Please, just a single one. You can ask a person that is in contact with you to pray for you. This action is called "asking". When you call on someone that is absent, believing they have divine capabilities to hear you wherever you are, in whatever fashion you say it, anytime, every time, you're attributing lordship to the person you are invoking. Also, saying that it's wrong to call that an invocation is deceptive and dishonest. "As a supplication or prayer it implies to call upon God, a god or goddess, a person, etc. When a person calls upon God, a god, or goddess to ask for something (protection, a favour, his/her spiritual presence in a ceremony, etc.) or simply for worship, this can be done in a pre-established form or with the invoker's own words or actions. An example of a pre-established text for an invocation is the Lord's Prayer. All religions in general use invoking prayers, liturgies, or hymns; see for example the mantras in Hinduism and Buddhism, the Egyptian Coming Out by Day (aka Book of the Dead), the Orphic Hymns and the many texts, still preserved, written in cuneiform characters on clay tablets, addressed to Shamash, Ishtar, and other deities." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invocation What is the evidence that martyrs, imams and Prophets have been given the powers necessary to compliment your invocation? And even if they have been given such powers, didn't Allah clearly say "they can't help you even if they could hear you"? What is the evidence of them possessing such powers? You seem to be pulling such ideas out of your own hat. Allah doesn't need people to inform him that you need help. Nobody is closer to you than Allah is. Praying to someone other than Allah is a detour, not a fast road. Again, what evidence exists for such powers being granted to them? How is that specific knowledge now equal to knowing what is inside of everyone's heart after he passes away? Who told you that the Prophet can hear people's prayers? Who told you that the Prophet gained all of theses powers? Is there one account where people prayed to the Prophet from far away and the Prophet was happy about it? If not, what makes you think that after passing away he suddenly has an increase of power? Again, self-made ideas. No evidence supports such a position. You might as well say it already that you believe that the Prophet has been made a smaller god. So much for "La illaha ilallah". No actually, you ponder over it. does the fact that Jesus does miracles mean that people have the right to direct their prayers to him? Rather, his miracles are a sign that he is a Prophet, and what does a Prophet do if not tell people to leave their idols and direct their attention to Allah? Nobody ever prayed to a Prophet, Imam, Martyr while they were in this world. Why then do people suddenly call on them after they pass away? Irrational. Secondly, where is the evidence that Allah gave them the power to respond to your calls? they were careful with whom they chose by your logic. Allah's a safer bet. Especially when we both know prayer is WORSHIP, and shirk is equal to Hellfire for eternity. You made Ali an idol.
  21. He believes in waseela as permitted within the limits. We can use wassila in the realms of our own dimension, otherwise you're just falling into realms you have no knowledge about and attributing divine qualities to people, as you have done to the saints. respond to the questions and let us see how far you will go to give the attributes of Allah to the slaves of Allah. Actually, if we think about it even further, can you please tell us what shirk is if this isn't shirk?
  22. 3 pages, nobody answered the questions. His point is that he belittles Allah by comparing him to creation. He thinks that because you go to a doctor for help that you can pray to other than Allah. This argument is ridiculous: The analogy is false. Nobody invokes the doctor because everyone knows the human ear cannot listen to everything from everywhere. He's trying to draw a relation between one going to the doctor and one invoking other than Allah. Rather, it would make more sense if we actually invoked the doctor, but we all know only people who belong to mental institutions call on people who are absent believing they can hear them. Actually if you listen to their argument it is as if shirk doesn't exist in actions only in belief. That's what they are conveying without really saying it. Can we not see that this is obviously false? Doesn't haram exist both in intention and in action? Why then is the basis of our religion which involves actions of worship are suddenly not important to determine shirk and non-shirk?
  23. Your Allah is Ali, and Ali is obviously going to disassociate from you by making him a god besides Allah. Actions speak louder than words. My Allah isn't weak rather you are the one insulting Allah's attributes by giving them to humans
  24. I'm beating around the bush? I'm the one who made this thread and asked the questions. If you come in to ask questions ignoring my questions, you are the one who is dodging, not I. 1- Because Allah sent the Quran with the Prophetand the Quran is His words and He wants us to read it and understand it. * clear ordinances, 98:3 * conveyed clearly, 5:16, 10:15 * full of wisdom, 36:2 * guidance to humans, 2:185 * is not Muhammed's sayings, 69:44 * recite as much as you may do with ease, 73:20 2- Seriously, go hit your head with a brick. Allah has created you in this universe with body parts and needs that are complimented by the things that exist in the world in which you are placed. Allah created light and gave you eyes. He created food and gave you hunger. He created love and gave you a heart. tyat's how our world works. If it didn't, there would be no discussion taking place between me and you, because in order to have a discussion you need a logical system in place. What you're doing is questioning the very basis of the bnature of the universe, which has nothing to do with directing an act of worship to other than Allah. You're drowning, and you're trying to drown everyone else with you with questions that have nothing to do with the thread. 3-The quran is Allah's words. If Allah didn't want to guide mankind through the quran he wouldn't have create a Prophet, the Quran, nor people to receive the revelations. Again, it has nothing to do with the subject. 4-Again, you're mixing different realms together. Reading the quran is an act of worship. If you direct your reading in order to make people love you, you're commiting shirk. while reading the Quran for the sake of Allah is tawheed. Likewise, making Salat to other than Allah is shirk. Praying to other than Allah is also shirk. The acts of worship are well defined. If they are done towards other than Allah you fall out of Islam. theses actions include : Salat, Prayer, Fasting, Sadaqa, Killing an animal in the name of Allah, etc. 5- Allah has sent the Prophet to be the example for us. With the Prophet came the Quran, a preserved book that is a source of Guidance for mankind, as stated in the Quran numerous times. The Prophet, being the best example, one should emulate him. Did the Prophet ever invoke other than Allah? Nope, he didn't. Why don't you follow his example? Because you follow only your own desires. Now, you answer the questions I asked.
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