Mohammed-W

classic!!

then so is saying 9 year old 'child' it insinuates peadophile, it is a marriage to 9 year old 'woman'. then so is saying 9 year old 'child' it insinuates peadophile, it is a marriage to 9 year old 'woman'.

:!!!: they buried girls alive!! EDIT: to state obvious death and suffering of girls ^^ (widely accepted practice)^^

People of all faiths justify nonsense they usually wouldnt, otherwise they are not 'believers'

(wasalam) i expect people wanted 'gods' and 'dieties' to come to them whom they could worship as part of the parcel, not mortals.

(salam) Is 'the book' a record that is with Allah (SWT) i.e the ink has dried..everything is written down already. Is the verse saying there is no doubt in that writing? Not the Quran? (because Allah (SWT) describes to us the wrongdoers are plunged deeper in to error, and also from following allegory) that means the quran does cause doubt to hypocrites and disbelievers. Will look for the verses exactly. (bismillah) (1) He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding. ( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #7) (12) Those who behave arrogantly on the earth in defiance of right - them will I turn away from My signs: Even if they see all the signs, they will not believe in them; and if they see the way of right conduct, they will not adopt it as the way; but if they see the way of error, that is the way they will adopt. For they have rejected our signs, and failed to take warning from them. ( سورة الأعراف , Al-Araf, Chapter #7, Verse #146)

I mean religion and faith primarily, eventually I mean both, since the religious ones eating, drinking, sleeping, walking, and talking will be moderated and endorsed with their faith. It would not be prudent for me to assert more straight away since manner we percieve varies. For example cancer. I could say a decree for illness leading to death is manifest, a scientist (without faith in God in their heart) will say physical ailment with symptoms leading to death (and i would agree with that but still maintain it was decreed.) In each case our hearts have interpreted, not our minds. A heart void of faith cannot lead the body or mind to faith. Eventually and finally I mean both. Enough said I mean to say I agree with your Opening post.

yes also, but everything flows and follows from what heart contains. The mind follows the heart, the heart that tries to follow the mind is confounded.

(salam) (bismillah) "Do they not ponder over the Qur'an in order to understand its deep meaning, or is it that their hearts are locked up from within?"(Qur'an 47:24) I believe the heart is the seat of reason not the five senses. This simply put. So as far as I am aware I think we are in agreement. (wasalam)

(salam) Bah humbug, 'muslims' could bring the world to a stand still if they stopped selling oil, leaders and citizens are happy to continue turning a blind eye to the world as the majority of the worlds citizens suffer, then suffer some more. Alcohol? it is minor. 'Muslims' are in much worse!

@ quisant I agree they should shut up and say they dont know, it isn't so hard.

(wasalam) ^ + 1

(wasalam) thanks ^good advice! (salam) best keep an open mind, dont shut out actual sunrise, or Al Qaim (as) hadeeths (sunni) state beast and sun come together if you see one (beast or sun) then the other is coming straight after (whichever order) then soon after these two Dajaal. Allah knows best

(salam) People well versed in the scriptures will see him prophesised, and recognize. By name, or description, and by location sometimes. I have seen many of these prophicies, even in hindu scripture.

(salam) I answer like this (also) this because Musa (as) met with Khidr who had more knowledge than him. when they met Khidr said: "the knowledge that has come to you I am not aware of and the knowledge that has come to you I am not aware of." This does indicate that the 'truth' is not so easy, it is not available to all. We get parts allocated to us. This religion is for the masses to enter paradise with ease, and live a good life in co-operation and peace. It is not the 'truth' of Khidr or anyone else we have no knowledge of. Allah (SWT) Knows best

(salam) i am saying that 'Islam' is a social construction. Within Islam we have sects that mirror buddhism, judaism, and christianity except they make the Prophet mohammed their reference, bringing them under the umbrella of ' Islam' All be it deviated. I am saying that the real standard of islam is the one of Ibrahim, with or without power he is still a muslim. when he was entering a town and was unknown he told his wife to say she was his sister, his wife was taken from him by the king then returned (do you know the story?) : presently muslims shout from the roof tops with their religious freedom afforded them in the west. if the tables were turned the face of islam in the west would disappear, but the religion of Ibrahim would not. Question is to difficult to reply to since islam is not agreed upon The followers of the prophet Mohammed (SAW) only agree in their claims that they follow him as the last prophet. I know Islam is 'truth' for the whole of mankind, because it is easy enough for everyone to live in peace * condition* > If practiced under Khilafah with right from Allah (SWT)<

(salam) actually brother i wonder if the categories of belief are linked to power for instance, a person declaring belief in the west may really be 'a person of the book who has believed' As they say 'count as one of the muslims' >that they submit < They live in the west therefore they are not free to 'believe' as they would have themselves imagine. And verses regarding believers are not entirely applicable to them, since they have no authority except the ones handed to them by their leaders (christian). Should the people in power restrict, or outlaw their 'submission' then what i am saying would be more apparent. I am saying that 'Islam' (in the west) has come to be associated with the freedoms afforded 'muslims' in the west. This misconception defines 'islam' otherwise I am sure the religion of Ibrahim Al hanif is sufficent for real description of Islam. You will see that he had no power, and even told his wife to say she was his sister. His 'Islam' is as true then as it is today. Freedom in religion has defined the religion, and popular agreement has follwed this way. Allah knows best.

(salam) Ameen!

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(salam) This is a question for brother Mahdaviat! I will not try to act smarter than I am and will just say. The former colonized people of the world are forced to express themselves and to move up socially, culturally, religiously (even). In terms/legislation, etc predertermined then established in the years theyn were being colonized (brutuly). They (the people from then on) came into exsistance during invasions injustice etc...as a result are forced into the mold of the colonisits. Iran resists this (influence) as much as they can, asserting their freedom to be who they are (shia). you will notice all over the world the supremists rejecting any thing 'whole' from any persons/group/party/ country. Yes to talk with the U.S you must be fragmented (or blasted to bits) speaking meatphorically. Which is why is it then that; every race (which is not european and has been formerly colonised, or 'civilised') needs to have 2 faces the one they show the 'civilised' world and the one they throw away in civilised settings? So when U.S. says jump ask 'how high' or shove off. thats how it is and thats how its gonna stay! Anyone fancy representing themselves in whole and facing the consequences? no? I thought not. Wa Salaam

(salam) No

does this work? My link this is the first documentary they did I haven't watched it yet may be worse. My link let me know if these don't work as well. You need to see to believe this, failing that i will do as you ask. Insha Allah

(salam) Muslims like to scream 'no fair' when policies curtail their show of religion etc. But have no qualms about coming here to live, getting housing, or getting their children educated,or taking benefits. Then behind closed doors.... Others have converted... were born here, They don't belong in' their' lands, or cannot afford to move. Which country teaching this [Edited Out] to muslims from the west offers people in the west who convert the chance to migrate? None! Well when stuff hits the fan, its going to get real messy. :!!!: Link to documentry: seen this myself and much worse! undercover mosque: the return