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  1. please at least dont use " so and so " dear even janabe zaineb(as) did that Lady Zaynab (as), when she saw the head of her brother Imam Hussain peace be upon him, being paraded in public hit her forehead on the bar of the carriage she was travelling in, causing bleeding to flow from beneath her veil, which was visible to onlookers who witnessed the event {Some of the famous references, which confirm the above report, are as follows: · Bihaar al-Anwaar; volume 45, page 114, · Jalaa’ al-‘Oyun; volume 2, page 238, · Zaynab al-Kubra; page 112, · Asraar al-Shahadah; page 474, · Al-Muntakhab; volume 2, page 478, · Nusrat-ul-Madhlum; page 18. Needless to say that ‘Allamah al-Majlisi – compiler of Bihaar al-Anwaar – and Sheikh al-Shari’ah al-Isfahani have confirmed the authenticity of the report.} bros and i will be not in touch with you all for nxt few days but when ill come back ill give you little more details. And i do respect everyone participtng in the discussion so atleast we can share our thoughts.
  2. well i dont know about u but i do blve the imams(as) have ilm e ghaib and knowledge of everythng till the day of the judgement. as per u he dnt hve any information about the after-period of his occultation. it may be ur blve not mine. when prophet(saw) and tell about khwarjis , karbala, about 12 imams about qayamat i mean evrythng . n
  3. Quote "Adam was so distressed that he smashed his hands onto his knees and the skin from his hands caused gashes from which bone could be seen". "When life was breathed into the spirit of Adam he hit his hand on his head and cried. He made this tradition of beating one's head with one's hand and crying in times of trouble for his descendants." This is new. What is the source for these ahadith? Mourning and shedding blood is the Sunnah of Prophet Adam (as) We read in Ahl'ul Sunnah's authority work Ma'arij al Nubuwwah, Chapter 1 page 248: "Adam was so distressed that he smashed his hands onto his knees and the skin from his hands caused gashes from which bone could be seen". Those who deem the act of self-harm to be batil should look at the bloodletting actions of Adam (as). If Adam (as) can do this why cannot the Shi'a when mourning for Imam Husayn (as)?
  4. i ve given enough ref. for my support but till now u have not given any ref from quran or imam(as) hadith to support ur argument
  5. who gave you right to call it bidah , and it hardly matters if it ur prblm wer do u stand in islam ask urself do we have to follow wat u like or wat u think is right. now wat u r talking reflects ur knowledge and etiquette of disscussion. well can u plz tell me how come u know or read the thoughts of infallibles(as) the sentence " tell us what else you know more than the imams (as) about, I'm sure there is alot they didn't think of. " as if u know everythng wat imam(as) knows and above all it also reflect ur love and repect for imams(as) http://www.youtube.c...h?v=bk8cZ1bP1FM http://www.youtube.c...h?v=DNeWNOywfAk
  6. First of all its our blood that we are shedding why is anyone disturbed. Secondly who has given rights to anyone to declare what is Haraam or Halaal.

  7. u can s face in big circle and hussain written in arabicin the smaller circle

  8. Imam Sadiq (as) said: “Surely above every act of worship, there is another act of worship and the superior most worship is to love us Ahlulbait (as).” [REF: Al-Mahasin Pg: 113] ( dear brs who gave the example of haya ala khairl amal in azaan and namaaz is the superior most act in islam thn how come imam sadiq(as) mentio love of ahle bait as the most suprior act of worship, bros will any one can define LOVE FOR AHLE BAIT to me, as also in quran ajar e risalat is love of ahle bait . ) Since Azadari is the expression of our love towards Ahlulbait (as), it is superior most worship as per the above mentioned hadith. - Imam Sadiq (as) said: “The breath of the one who is aggrieved upon the injustice and oppression subjected to us, is Tasbeeh (glorification of Allah), and his grief for our affairs is Ibaadat (worship of Allah)” [REF: Amali-Shaikh Mufid Pg:338] Imam Baqir (as) on peforming Azadari: "He should mourn over Husain (A.S.), weep for him and instruct the members of the house to weep for him. He should establish the mourning ceremony in the house by exhibiting lamentations and grief over him; the people should meet one another in their homes and offer condolences and consolation to each other over the calamities which befell him." [REF: Kaamil Az-Ziyaraat Pg:175] dont forget to c thse 2 vdos bros
  9. well plzz most of the ppl asking to show zanjeer zani and qamamzaani of in quraan and hadith ( same way as ppl like zakir naiks, israr ahmeds..) well than show me hadith aur quran verse in which it is mentioned not to do so in mourn of imam hussain (as). and if the adminis hv any problm regarding my video they remove it . doing zanjeerzani or qama zani in is expression of love for ahle bait. there r some ppl just put there hands down and sum ppl wail wen hear the suffering of imam hussain(as), some beat there chest sum ppl beat there head some ppl hit there heads on walls now tell me wer in quran aur hadith limitation . it is so sad 2day we have to argue with ur shia bros the same way we do with khwarjis and ahle hadiths. "Adam was so distressed that he smashed his hands onto his knees and the skin from his hands caused gashes from which bone could be seen". "When life was breathed into the spirit of Adam he hit his hand on his head and cried. He made this tradition of beating one's head with one's hand and crying in times of trouble for his descendants." A. Muhammad Husain Aal Kashif-ul-Gita’s views on Zanjeer Zani A. Muhammad Husain Aal Kashif-ul-Gita in his book Al-Aayatul Bayyenat on the issue of Zanjeer Zani (shedding of blood from the back in Azadari) says the following: “My age is 60 years now, every year I have seen Matami Groups shedding blood doing Zanjeer Zani. I have never seen anyone who does Zanjeer Zani dying and neither have heard this being reported in earlier incidents.” [ Note: Very rare incidents of Deaths from Zanjeer Zani have been reported, but this cannot be used as an argument to invalidate the act itself, because on similar lines, every year deaths are reported during Hajj, but this cannot and is not used to raise question on the act itself. During the rule of Mutawakkil(la), Momineen sacrificed their lives, got their limbs cut to go for Ziyarat of Imam Husain(as) in the time of Masoomeen(as), but this did not stop the original act of Ziyart of Imam Husain(as). [ Al-Ayatul Bayyenat Pg 18 ] further says the following: “By Allah(swt), the stopping of these Juloos, will result in closing the doors of Husaini Matam. And God forbid, doing this will result in wiping out Mazhab-e-Shiyat. The only Single uniting force in our religion is the Husaini Stage and Alawi Fazail. The ongoing propaganda against Azadari are based on the ideology of bani Umayya and wahabiyat. Such people who oppose, actually want that Azadari and Zanjeer Zani should be stopped and the ideology of bani umayya be remembered again.” [ Al-Ayatul Bayyenat Pg 22 ]
  10. Fatwa of A.Muhammad Sadiq Rouhani (may Allah Almighty protect him): To do Qama-Zani is a very good act indeed, and to perform Qama-Zani in public enhances the excellence of this act, and if one is harmed in the process, the reward (Thawab) for this act will be increased even further. One of the things that I regret not doing is that I did not have the honour to perform this great practice, and now that I am old and frail, I am unable to perform it. In any case, from all the people who have had the honour to perform this religious symbol I wish to ask them to pray for me after performing Qama-Zani. Fatwa of A.Langaroudi (may Allah Almighty protect him): Salaam upon the Lovers of Imam Hussain In our opinion since Aba-Abdillah al-Hussain alayhis-salam is Thar-Allah, the Blood of Allah, then it would be appropriate, but in fact imperative that for the Blood of Allah, the blood of the creatures of Allah is shed. Therefore not only Qama-Zani is permissible, but it is also regarded as one of the Sha'a'er and it has great, and extensive Thawab (reward). It is honour and good for the Hussaini Lovers who participate in this beautiful and honourable act, since Qama-Zani is one of the Sha'a'er. Needless to say that to practice this Sha'a'er in public is better. Salaam be upon the Righteous Lovers (of Imam Hussain) and upon all the Righteous servants of Allah. FATWA OF MARAJE ON MATAM-E-ZANJEER AND TATBEER (QAMA ZANI) & OTHER MARASIM-E-AZADARI. The Below Mentioned Fatwa’s of Fuqaha & Mujtahideen are taken from the Book Azadari Az Deedgah-e-Marajiyyat. 1) Allama Shiakh Khizar ibn Ashkal in Abwab ul Jinan All the marasim of Azadari are permissable even if there is a danger to ones life. 2) Shaikh Mohammad Hussain Aalay Kashiful Ghita Matam-e-Zanjeer 'o' Qama is Mustahab. 3) Agha Sadiq Roohani ( Maraja Taqleed ) It is permissable even if there is a definate danger to ones life. These are all Shiar-e-Hussaini which we have been ordered to follow 4) Shaikh Abdul AKreem Al Hairi As far as the matter of using knifes etc is concerned if there is no danger to ones life it is permissable and no one has any right to declare it otherwise or forbid it. 5) Syed Shahab ud deen Marashi All types of matam including Zanjeer and Qama are Jaiz and in present time it is necessary and is responsible for increase in Thawab. 6) Syed Taqi Tabatabai Qummi All forms of Matam are jaiz including Zanjeer and Qama zani - it wont be wrong if i say that it is Wajib Kifai. Some people who say against these things which is resulting in doubts about it are absolutely wrong infact statements like these are haraam. 7) Agha Nasir Makaram Shirazi It is Jaiz and there is no doubt about it. At some times it also becomes Wajib. 8) Agha Mohiuddeen Mamqani The Marasim in the mourning of Imam Husaain are compulsory in every time in every place. 9) Agha Syed Mohammad Ali Kazmaini Burojardi All marasim-e-Aza are not only Jaiz or Mustahab but are compulsory THIS IS THE MAIN PART - PLEASE READ CAREFULLY - THESE ARE THE VERDICTS OF MARAJAS AGAINST ULLAMA SOO WHO SAY THINGS AGAINST MATAM-E-ZANJEER AND QAMA - PLEASE NOTE THAT WHAT TITLES THESE MARAJAS HAVE GIVEN TO ULLAMA SOO WHO SAY THAT BLOOD LETTING IS FORBIDDEN . 10) Agha Syed Murtaza Ferozabadi It is Who ever says any thing against any Marasim-e-Aza or tries to give any daleel against it is surely far away from deen, ignorant and his legitimate birth is doubtful. 11) Agha Syed Mohammad Sadiq Rouhani Who ever is in the shia community, it is WAJIB on them to do Seena Zani and Zanjeer Zani and other Marasim-e-Aza. Believe me that the trumpets that are blowing these days against seena zani and zanjeer zani with knifes etc which says its not a good thing to do and against shariah - these are all tableeg of " Agyaar " and " Ullama Soo" who have been sold out agianst a few coins, these are " enemies of Deen". 12) Agha Syed Karamtullah Malik Hussaini Who ever opens his mouth against Marasim-e-Aza which includes seena zani and Zanjeer zani etc should be rejected thinking that he is an agent of anti islam forces. He is a Fitna and enemy of Islam 13) Agha Syed Kazim Mar'ashi What ever Ustaad Mohtaram Agha Naeeni has said in favour of Matam Zanjeer, Qama and other types of marasim-e-azadari is absolutely correct and there is no doubt in that. But the enemies of Deen and the ones who have been misguided by shaitan laeen who have started tableeg agaisnt these things should be rejected by all shias and shias should not take anything from them and should not accept his influence in any thing. 14) Agha Shiakh Ali Ghazi Shoharwardi Who ever is a munkir of Azadari and marasim-e-azadari including blood letting is munkir-e-zarooriyat-e-deen. 15) Agha Syed Mohammad Mahdi Moosvi Khalkhali Who ever raises doubts about Marasim-e-Aza including Matam-e-Qama etc are suffering from "soo-e-Feham" and have BAD INTENTIONS. 16) Agha Ali Panah Ishtehardi Who ever put up hurdles in the way of azadari and Marasim-e-Azadari have shajrah-e-khabeesa and are the ones who have promised to oppose Aalay Mohammad .
  11. cant ull c a face in bigger circle and Hussain written in arabic in smaller one
  12. thanks for ur rply bro. i will request u 2 c it urself once thanks My link this for pakistani as youtube is banned there
  13. plz i request if ne1 knws from wer i can get this book ( Then came Hazrat Ali: autobiography, 1972ý by Dosoo Framjee Karaka) i will be thankfull 2 him. i am in kolkata, india hoping to get replys. fimaan Allah
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