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    Logic got a reaction from Al-Muntadhar313 in Shiites In London Celebrate The Day 'aisha Died   
    Fitna agents in our community. Be aware and stay away from them.
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    Logic got a reaction from Sirius_Bright in Did Ali Pardon Aisha After The Battle Of Jamal/camel/bassorah   
    What about the treatment towards Ibn Muljim (LA).
    The trend i am seeing in Imam Ali (A.S) life was that he was forgiving towards his personal enemies but not when it came to Islam or the Prophet (Saww). This is my personal opinion
    Amazingly we are harsh towards our own enemies indulging in backbiting, cursing and use of fists but when it comes to the enemies of our Leader, We wanna leave their wrongful action to the justice of Allah
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    Logic got a reaction from shia farm girl in [LAWS]Drawing People Is Haram?   
    I could be wrong but i think the problem is against sculpting considering the last line. It says "give life to what you have created".
    Edit: confirmed this from sistani.org
    Q102: Is it permissible to make a statue in the shape of a human being or an animal?
    A: [No, it is not permissible]. (FM, p. 410)
    Q103: What about drawing of human or animal portraits that are not three-dimensional?
    A: It is permissible. (FM, p. 410)
    http://www.sistani.org/index.php?p=251364&id=50&pid=2455
    lol.
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    Logic got a reaction from Sirius_Bright in Hadiths On Bab Ul Hawaij   
    The minute you are put on the hot seat you decide to bail.
    As a courtesy please respond to this question.List the names of the books you have read to grade aalims and zaakirs. If i am impressed i will stop listening to them and take your advice.
    Go ahead dazzle us all with your knowledge.
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    Logic got a reaction from Sirius_Bright in Hadiths On Bab Ul Hawaij   
    lol.intellectually curiousity my _____. The man has no other motive then to create doubts in the imaan of the weaker people especially since Shiachat is frequented by reverts and youths.
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    Logic got a reaction from Fatimiyyeh in Sahaba who ran away in Uhad   
    Your question might have some merit but let me ask you this, Do you think major sinners deserve the title of (ra) as you put after Talha's name?
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    Logic got a reaction from Haji 2003 in Was Abu Talib R.a A Kaffir According To Sunnis?   
    Sunni Logic:
     
    Abu Talib who helped Prophet (saww) throughout his life = Kaafir
    Abu Sufyan who waged war against the Prophet (saww) = Sahaba
     
     
    go figure....
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    Logic reacted to Ethics in To Believe An Imam Grants Dua Is Shirk (Sistani)   
    But brother do you not understand if something is shirk it means WE CANNOT DO IT. It falls under the HARAM. If something is HARAM, then it falls under permissibility. Therefore Sistani's derivation to this permissibility is valid upon all his followers. His fatwa regarding "Ya Ali Madad" implies it is no where near shirk.
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    Logic reacted to Ethics in To Believe An Imam Grants Dua Is Shirk (Sistani)   
    Actually you are completely wrong. This question is in the guidelines of fiq -> Shirk / Tawheed therefore this answer that Sistani has given is in regards to whether or not those who take them as their marja are allowed to say it or not.
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    Logic got a reaction from Ethics in Is It Halaal To Use Adblock?   
    You need to provide a valid stamped fatwa or Nader Zaveri will be deleting your post lol
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    Logic reacted to Martyrdom in One Of The Many Miracles Of Aba Abdillah (As)   
    Because that's what it implies now get over it.
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    Logic reacted to Abu Tufayl in Ahmad Shirazi Spreading Ghuluww?   
    (bismillah)
     

     
     
     
    My friend, Basa'ir is a known book of Saffar's and Sa`d's. 
     
    Najashi's رحمه الله Fihrist:
     
     
     محمد بن الحسن بن فروخ الصفار، مولى عيسى بن موسى بن طلحة بن عبيدالله بن السائب بن مالك بن عامر الاشعري، أبو جعفر الاعرج، كان وجها في أصحابنا القميين، ثقة، عظيم القدر، راجحا، قليل السقط في الرواية. له كتب، منها: كتاب الصلاة، كتاب الوضوء، كتاب الجنائز، كتاب الصيام، كتاب الحج، كتاب النكاح، كتاب الطلاق، كتاب العتق والتدبير والمكاتبة، كتاب التجارات، كتاب المكاسب، كتاب الصيد والذبائح، كتاب الحدود، كتاب الديات، كتاب الفرائض، كتاب المواريث، كتاب الدعاء، كتاب المزار، كتاب الرد على الغلاة، كتاب الاشربة، كتاب المروءة (المروة)، كتاب الزهد، كتاب الخمس، كتاب الزكاة، كتاب الشهادات، كتاب الملاحم، كتاب التقية، كتاب المؤمن، كتاب الايمان والنذور والكفارات، كتاب المناقب، كتاب المثالب، كتاب بصائر الدرجات، كتاب ما روي في أولاد الائمة [ عليهم السلام ]، كتاب ما روي في شعبان، كتاب الجهاد، كتاب فضل القران. أخبرنا بكتبه كلها ما خلا بصائر الدرجات أبو الحسين علي بن أحمد بن محمد بن طاهر الاشعري القمي قال: حدثنا محمد بن الحسن بن الوليد عنه بها. وأخبرنا أبو عبد الله بن شاذان قال: حدثنا أحمد بن محمد بن يحيى عن أبيه عنه  بجميع كتبه و ببصائر الدرجات. توفى محمد بن الحسن الصفار بقم سنة تسعين ومائتين رحمه الله
     
    سعد بن عبد الله بن أبي خلف الاشعري القمي أبو القاسم، شيخ هذه الطائفة وفقيهها و وجهها. كان سمع من حديث العامة شيئا كثيرا، وسافر في طلب الحديث، لقى من وجوههم الحسن بن عرفة ومحمد بن عبد الملك الدقيقي وأبا حاتم الرازي و عباس الترقفي ولقى مولانا أبا محمد عليه السلام. ورأيت بعض أصحابنا يضعفون لقاءه لابي محمد [ عليه السلام ] ويقولون هذه حكاية موضوعة عليه، والله اعلم. وكان أبوه عبد الله بن أبي خلف قليل الحديث، روى عن الحكم بن مسكين، وروى عنه أحمد بن محمد بن عيسى. وصنف سعد كتبا كثيرة، وقع إلينا منها كتب الرحمة - كتاب الوضوء، كتاب الصلاة، كتاب الزكاة، كتاب الصوم، كتاب الحج، كتبه فيما رواه مما يوافق الشيعة خمسة كتب: كتاب الوضوء، كتاب الصلاة، كتاب الزكاة، كتاب الصيام، كتاب الحج - كتاب بصائر الدرجات، كتاب الضياء في الرد على المحمدية والجعفرية، كتاب فرق الشيعة، كتاب الرد على الغلاة، كتاب ناسخ القران ومنسوخه ومحكمه ومتشابهه، كتاب فضل الدعاء والذكر، كتاب جوامع الحج، كتاب مناقب رواة الحديث، كتاب مثالب رواة الحديث، كتاب المتعة، كتاب الرد على علي بن إبراهيم بن هاشم في معنى هشام ويونس، كتاب قيام الليل، كتاب الرد على المجبرة، كتاب فضل قم والكوفة، كتاب فضل أبي طالب وعبد المطلب وأبي النبي صلى الله عليه واله [ وسلم ]، كتاب فضل العرب، كتاب الامامة، كتاب فضل النبي صلى الله عليه واله [ وسلم ]، كتاب الدعاء، كتاب الاستطاعة، كتاب احتجاج الشيعة على زيد بن ثابت في الفرائض، كتاب النوادر، كتاب المنتخبات رواه عنه حمزة بن القاسم خاصة، كتاب المزار، وكتاب مثالب هشام ويونس، وكتاب مناقب الشيعة. أخبرنا محمد بن محمد والحسين بن عبيدالله والحسين بن موسى قالوا: حدثنا جعفر بن محمد قال: حدثنا أبي وأخي قالا: حدثنا سعد بكتبه كلها. قال الحسين بن عبيدالله رحمه الله جئت بالمنتخبات إلى أبي القاسم بن قولويه رحمه الله أقراها عليه فقلت: حدثك سعد، فقال: لا، بل حدثني أبي وأخي عنه و أنا لم أسمع من سعد إلا حديثين. توفى سعد رحمه الله سنة إحدى وثلاثمائة، وقيل: سنة تسع وتسعين ومائتين
     
    al-Tusi رحمه الله's Fihrist:
     
    محمد بن الحسن الصفار، قمي. له كتب مثل كتب الحسين بن سعيد، وزيادة كتاب بصائر الدرجات وغيره، وله مسائل كتب بها الى ابي محمد الحسن بن علي العسكري عليهما السلام.اخبرنا بجميع كتبه ورواياته ابن ابي جيد، عن ابن الوليد، عنه. واخبرنا بذلك ايضا جماعة، عن ابن بابويه، عن محمد بن الحسن، عن محمد بن الحسن الصفار، عن رجاله، الا كتاب بصائرالدرجات، فانه لم يروه عنه ابن الوليد. واخبرنا به الحسين بن عبيدالله، عن احمد بن محمد بن يحيى، عن ابيه، عن الصفار.
     
     
    - سعد بن عبد الله القمي، يكنى ابا القاسم، جليل القدر، واسع الاخبار، كثير التصانيف، ثقة. فمن كتبه كتاب الرحمة، وهو يشتمل على كتب جماعة، منها: كتاب الطهارة، وكتاب الصلاة، وكتاب الزكاة، وكتاب الصوم، وكتاب الحج، وكتاب جوامع الحج، وكتاب الضيأ في الامامة، وكتاب مقالات الامامية، وكتاب مناقب رواة الحديث، وكتاب مثالب رواة الحديث، وكتاب في فضل قم والكوفة، وكتاب في فضل عبد الله وعبد المطلب وابي طالب، وكتاب بصائر الدرجات اربعة اجزأ، وكتاب المنتخبات نحو من الف ورقة، وله فهرست كتب ما رواه. اخبرنا بجميع كتبه ورواياته عدة من اصحابنا، عن محمد بن علي بن الحسين ابن بابويه، عن ابيه ومحمد بن الحسن، عن سعد بن عبد الله، عن رجاله ، قال ابن بابويه: الا كتاب المنتخبات، فاني لم اروها عن محمد بن الحسن الا اجزأ قرأتها عليه واعلمت على الاحاديث التي رواها محمد ابن موسى الهمداني، قد رويت عنه كل ما في كتاب المنتخبات مما اعرف طريقه من الرجال الثقات. واخبرنا الحسين بن عبيدالله وابن ابي جيد، عن احمد بن محمد بن يحيى، عن ابيه، عن سعد بن عبد الله.
     
    Even al-Qutb al-Rawandi - died in the 6th century AH - quotes the book and provides his turuq back to Sh. Tusi back to al-Saffar. You also have the Ijazaat of these books books present in the works of Shaykh Hurr al-Amili, al-Majalisi, Allamah Hilli, Shaheed al-Thani, and others. Yes, the book has naskh issues, but that is nothing foreign to really any literature, especially Islamic texts from any sect. Not having a manuscript we can date back to Saffar does not mean his book was not narrated. Kulayni رحمه الله seems to have narrated from this book, also. Parts of our books and literature being lost is also not strange. Hundreds of Saduq رحمه الله books are lost in history. Large chunks of Qurb al-Isnad, al-Mahasin, Masa'il `Ali b. Ja`far عليه السلام are here and there. al-Kafi has variant manuscripts where sometimes an entire narration is or isn't there. There's also al-Kashi. That book had manuscript issues from day one, not even al-Shaykh or al-Najashi had perfect copies. This is very normal, even if sad.
     That's fine is some Qudama had an issue with its content, Ibn al-Walid رحمه الله not narrating would not be strange. He thought denying sahw al-Nabi صلى الله عليه وآله was ghuluw and the door to further ghuluw. The Qudama disagreed on what is or isn't ghuluw, each of them had their own mabani. Ibn al-Walid seemingly unwilling to narrate it in addition to the high ma`arif in the content of this book only adds to the confidence that the attribution of the texts are correct. 
     
     
    These are not just passive virtues and praises, they reflect a reality of the station of the Ahl al-Bayt عليهم السلام. Also, if one is willing to interpret these hadith in some "mild metaphorical fashion," then that same charity should also be extended to the hadith in the opening post which can be interpreted and seen from many different angles. Even then if one were to take the most literal interpretation of this hadith, it does not rule it out as impossible. If Allah سبحانه is going to appoint angles to over see judgement, punishment, etc. it is not impossible for Him تعالى to have that in the wilayah of the Best of His Creation عليهم السلام - however unlikely it maybe due to no reference to such an idea - apparently - from other than this narration. The farthest one can go is tawaqquf. What troubles me quite a bit here is that if this hadith said "angel fulan" instead of "الحسين بن علي عليه السلام" - no one would say anything nor dispute it. فتأمّل وتدبّر
     
     
     
    That's not really how the Qudama operated, when someone was labeled a ghali, they would consider him an all-around fasiq. So, them narrating fiqhi narrations or narrations on belief would not be differentiated by them, really. Kulayni رحمه الله narrates from these same people in his Usool, by the way. You'd have to please show me who these later scholars are.
     
    It really seems these type of works and narrations are being looked with ultra scrutiny because some people don't like their content and their high ma`arif of the Ahl al-Bayt عليهم السلام. People are having issues because the Imamia center their religion around the Imams عليهم السلام - go figure. That's how it is. They are the Hujjaj of Allah عز وجل and the rest of the universe were not have been created if not for them (as al-Saduq رحمه الله attests to in his I`tiqadaat). We have tons of batini tafseer, and the biggest part of al-Kulayni's رحمه الله al-Kafi vol 1 is Kitab al-Hujja and he fills with it a lot of high ma`arif material.
     
    Seems like people just don't have an Imami worldview and are way too influenced by foreign ideologies, whether it be Salafism, Academia, personal experiences with religion, etc. cause they think it makes us look too cultish or boarding Shirk, as if talking about Allah عز وجل "directly" makes everything more "tawheed-esque." He تعالى has made us in dire need مفتقر of the Ahl al-Bayt عليه السلام in order to know Him and understand anything. Instead of rejecting these mentalities and understanding what it means to have a really full-on Imami worldview, they try to water down Shi'ism and make such statements like calling Kulayni's al-Kafi his "ghuluw masterpiece" or saying "al-Kulayni really organized the ghuluw in his book well." It's just nonsense. Now you have people just rejecting the Imams being able to perform miracles!
     
    If one is going to bring the A'immah عليهم السلام down to just fitting the role of al-`ulema al-abraar (the most righteous scholars), then good luck at making any sense of the ghayba.
     
    والله الأعلم
    في أمان الله
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    Logic reacted to seyedmusawi in Exposing Imam Shaikh Brother Mohammad Tawhidi   
    Salaam Allaikum,
     
    I personally know Tawhidi and i've even attended some classes with him in Qum. Due to the situation at hand, i feel obligated to speak out about who he was and what he did when he was here as a student.

    He arrived here in Qum around 5 years ago. When he arrived, he began to learn farsi in the pre hawza program that they have; it serves as a sort of filter and you learn the necessary language of the country. He ended up being kicked out of that school (its called the Al Mahdi Language School) after a few months. He failed a necessary exam three times and so he was asked to leave. There were also issues with him acting inappropriately with na mahram women. Both the test failures and his various misadventures played a role in his being asked to immediately leave. One of the reasons why the pre hawza program exists here is to serve precisely as a filter for various undesirable students. While he was here...he also took certain anti psychotic medication (which is not a problem in itself...some people do have various illnesses and we shouldnt judge them solely for that). At the same time, i feel that perhaps his mental issues play a role in his behavior today.

    Anyways...after he was kicked out, he immediately put on his turban (he had been in iran for only 4 or 5 months at this point) and talked his way into admittance at other schools. He was admitted to one school called Aal al-Bayt but he was kicked out after a year for lack of attendance and misconduct. He entered another school, where he was again kicked out. This happened again until he was simply asked to leave the city itself.

    He then found his way to karbala and is there now. I can't speak of his level of studies or his behavior now at Karbala but he was known as an extremely corrupt individual here in Qum. If you wish...you can ask any of the western brothers and they will all corroborate fully what i've said. Some of them frequent Shiachat from time to time.

    This is an extremely corrupt individual and i advise everyone to stay away from him. His expulsion from the hawza in Qum and the statements he's been busy making should be enough for people to understand who and what he is.

    In addition to the brother who said that Qum or the Hawza has taken a turn for the worst, I will have to respectfully disagree with this. Individuals like Tawhidi are con-men who have always existed and will always continue to exist. There is a strict procedure here in Qum for the wearing of the Libas (the turban) and students typically study for 4-5-6 or even 10 years before putting it on. Some never do, feeling that they are not qualified. So corrupt individuals always exist and we should be on the watch for them, turban or no turban...

    Wasalaam.
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    Logic reacted to Abu Hadi in Exposing Imam Shaikh Brother Mohammad Tawhidi   
    I wish I could 'like' that post 10x. 
    If I were sitting with him, I would tell him that we are not trying to judge you or claim that we are better 'Shia' than you are. The problem is only because you are putting yourself out there as a speaker, and thus an alim, and thus a leader in the community.There are higher standards for a leader vs a regular member of the community. 
    One of the most important qualities of a leader is impeccable aklaq. 
    This is a quality you do not posses. Thus you are not qualified for this position. 
    If you continue to put yourself forward as a leader, you will do more damage to the community than you will help, by creating fitna. And the consequences of this will follow you in this world and the next.
    I advise you to step down as a leader in the community and become a normal member and work on you aklaq.
    And ask forgiveness of Allah(s.w.a)  
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    Logic reacted to Ali in Exposing Imam Shaikh Brother Mohammad Tawhidi   
    Salams,
    I just wanted to state that this was our center which I grew up in and call home.  We invited Br. Tawheedi a couple of years ago and the new comittee (I had left since) had him back again this year.  I was initially shocked to hear of it, but I'm happy to announce that he has truly matured into a great speaker and it was a pleasure having him.  We did quickly speak about this thread and I had spoken to him about my (and your) concerns but it was causing a little scene so we decided to leave it for later.  In fact I am having dinner with him tomorrow and will inshallah discuss some of your concerns and will report back.
    I may not agree with all the accusations in this thread and have my own judgements about the brother, but again I do believe in free speech on this site which is why this thread has been allowed to be re-opened.  I do however ask to keep it as constructive criticism and avoid slander and accusations or else you'll just end up doing what you're accusing him of. 
    I will report back inshallah.
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    Logic reacted to Marbles in Al-Baghdadi, A Mossad Agent Named "elliott Shimon"   
    Elliot Shimon LOL.
     
    It is fine to go beneath the skin of news flashes to dig out the real workings of realpolitik in the region; there is much to be uncovered and commented upon. But seriously, conspiracy theories of this ilk only make Muslim look more stupid than they are.
     
    By the way are there any conspiracy theories in Israel that the killer of PM Rabin was an Iranian Shi'i? I doubt it :donno:
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    Logic reacted to Marbles in Sayyid Ammar On Isis   
    Thanks for providing the detailed conclusion.
     
    In point #14 with regards punishing those who do sabb of the Sunni Sahaba, what does Ibn Taimiyah say about the punishment? If he does not say anything explicitly, readers can easily infer the punishment from the one he suggested for those who sabb the Prophet and Allah. Ibn Taimiyah might have wanted to write subtly about what do do with Shias who do sabb, but it's not hard to derive the conclusion and to see on whom it applies. Because whether Shias aka Rafidis back then did sabb publicly or not, their rejection and hatred of the Sunni sahaba was well known. This was then, but things have not changed today. Find me a Shia, except for some political ones riding the Islamic-unity bandwagon, who do not do sabb of the Sunni Sahaba.
     
    We can see how Ibn Taimyah shrewdly declared almost every Shi'a as Rafidi and through this, kafir. Once they become kafir, it is easy to legitimise punishment, and this hardcore Sunni scholars have taken to mean the killing of the kafir Shia people.
     
    Manzur Nomani, a Deobandi scholar from India, wrote an anti-Shia treatise which became the magna carta of sectarian killers in the Subcontinent. In which he quotes Ibn Taimiyah extensively and derives pretty much the same conclusion that
     
    i) all Shias are rafidhis, whether they do sabb publicly or not.
     
    ii) Because they are rafidis, and because we know that all of them do sabb, it is legitimate to kill all of them.
     
    Once the arrow is out of the bow, you can't put it back.
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    Logic reacted to The Green Knight in How Do We Stop This Madness?   
    There is the whole problem.
     
    This is damaging to our image. That is. And that. Where will such people draw the line? You know where. There will ALWAYS be something "damaging" to our image and there will always be someone who will reason and say that there is no place for X of the subset in the Y century (!).
     
    Who is stopping you from cleaning streets, changing diapers for your aunt, building and running public toilets fee sabeel lillah and all that? Go on. Give our image a positive boost, why don't you. Or do you think sitting at your puter and whining loud enough about things will solve all your problems (hey the internetz is global so lets keep teh fingers crossed!).
     
    Why did Yaqub (as) cry himself to blindness? Its damaging to our image! But oh, thankfully it didn't happin in the 21st century.
    Why did the Prophet (pbuh) cry for Hamza (as)? Why didn't he instead build a school of swordsmanship to teach Umar and Uthman to swing swords like real men?
     
    And so on.
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    Logic reacted to baradar_jackson in Sayed Modarresi Slams The Tattoo Wearing Dudes   
    Guys, we have to remember two things:
     
    1) We are not in a position to issue shar'i edicts.
    2) Neither is Sayyed Mehdi Modarresi.
     
    So whatever we say, and whatever he says, on the matter of tattoos, remains just that: an opinion.
     
    If you don't like tattoos, fine. Don't get one. Don't let your kids get one. Don't let them listen to a speaker who has one. But that doesn't put you in a position where you can give a fiqh ruling.
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    On a side note, I would totally give a high five to anyone I saw who had a tattoo that said هيهات منا الذلة
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    Logic reacted to Ethics in Ashura Is Tragic... But What Is The Point?   
    Lessons that we can learn from Imam Hussain (a.s.) and Kerbala
     
    Among so many lessons mentioned that we can learn, we’ve choosen only 14 for today, in the name of 14 infallibles a.s.
     
    1. DON’T ACCEPT HUMILIATION : In one of his speeches, Imam Hussein a.s. said that the authorities in Kufa had given him only two options - humiliation or death. He carried on to say, ‘And we do not accept humiliation’. A tradition reported by Imam Sadiq a.s records that, other than not accepting humiliation, Allah Almighty has given to believers a choice in all matters.
     
    2. BROAD-MINDNESS : This means thinking independently and being just in one’s judgements. Not simply following others blindly and keeping one’s eyes closed. On the Day of Ashura Imam Hussein a.s. addressed Yazid’s troops: “O followers of Abu Sufyan, if you are not following the teachings of Islam then as freemen, be independent of judgement. On what basis do you fight me now?”
     
    3. A WIDER UNDERSTANDING OF DEATH : Few people desire death. The Holy Qur’an challenges the Jews for not welcoming death in view of their alleged special relationship with Allah s.w.t. Imam Hussein a.s. extended our comprehension of death by drawing attention to the three points below:
     
    a) Death is written for everyone and no soul may escape it. He said: “Death is an adornment of life as a necklace is an adornment of a beautiful woman.”
    b) Death with dignity is preferable to a life lived in humiliation.
    c) Dying for the cause of Islam is martyrdom and a great honour. In his farewell to relatives in Madina, Imam Hussein a.s. said: “Whoever joins us will be martyred, those who remain behind will miss the victory.”
     
    4. AWARENESS : Desertion is discouraged via military courts martial and firing squads. A commander has never given troops permission to evade the battlefield before or after Imam Hussein a.s. The Imam himself would like them all to be aware of the consequences of the impending action before any accepted the challenge.
     
    5. SUPPORT THE TRUTH : Imam Hussein a.s. announced: “Don’t y see that Truth has been replaced by falsehood. We must be prepared to sacrifice everything that is precious in support of Truth!” Truth is the ‘essence’ of Islam and fortifies the values emphasized in the Holy Qur’an. Hazrat Ali Akbar asked his father Imam Hussein a.s.:”Are we not supporting the Truth?”. Imam a.s. replied in the affirmative Hazrat Ali Akbar said: “then, it makes no difference if death comes to us or if we approach death.”
     
    6. IT IS NEVER TOO LATE TO REPENT : Hur Riahi, the first commander to surround Imam Hussein’s troops and prevent their access to the water of Euphrates, provides an excellent illustration of repentance. Regretting his action, he asked Imam Hussein a.s. if his repentance would be accepted. Imam Hussein a.s. told him that it is never too late to repent. Hur joined Imam Hussein’s camp and was honoured by being one of the first martyrs (Peace be upon Him).
     
    7. FIDELITY AND LOYALTY : Fidelity is a characteristic admired by all. If friends meet in times of comfort and wealth but leave when hardship and difficulty strike, it is clear that their friendship is not true. On the day of Ashura, Imam Hussein a.s. told John, a servant of the renowned companion Hazrat Abu Dhar: “You have accompanied us all the way but now you may go.” John replied: “It is not fair that I benefit from your company and hospitality but abondon you in your hardship?” His attitude exemplifies fidelity, loyalty and true friendship.
     
    8. LADIES PARTICIPATE : Without Lady Zainab’s participation in Karbala, the mission of Imam Hussein a.s. could not have been fulfilled.
     
    9. TO PLEASE Allah : The objective of all believers should be the pleasure of Allah Almighty. Imam Hussein a.s. said in one of his speeches that the only objective of the Prophet’s household is to please Allah. Whenever he saw family members martyred he would utter “It’s bearable only because Allah is its witness.”
     
    10. GIVING PREFERENCE TO THE NEEDS OF OTHERS : In Islamic terminology, giving preference to the needs of others is referred to as “Ithaar”. On the Day of Ashura, the actions of Hazrat Abbas, brother of Imam Hussein a.s. exemplify “Ithaar”! Hazrat Abbas a.s. battled bravely to gain access to the water of Euphrates. Although he gave no consideration to his own thirst but strove instead to bring water to the tents for the women and children.
     
    11. PATIENCE IN ADVERSITY : Allah tells us in the Holy Qur’an that only those who remain patient will receive reward without measure. Imam Hussein a.s. brought up to understand the Quran that is why he was happy to ‘remain patient’ in hardship and endurance and to await his Lords reward. His patience wasn’t out of weakness or helplessness but a demonstration of his steadfastness and bravery. Those who saw Imam Hussein a.s. on the Day of Ashura reported. ”We have never seen a man remaining as composed as Imam Hussein a.s. whereas his relatives and children were slaughtered before his eyes.”
     
    12. THE SIGNIFICANCE OF AMR BIL MAROUF : Imam Hussein a.s. declared in a speech that the only objective of seeking this reform is to emphasis the significance of ‘Amr bil Marouf and Nahy anil Munkar’. (Enjoining good and forbidding evil).
     
    13. THE USE OF LAWFUL MEANS : Imam Hussein a.s. tried to stop Umar ibn Sa’d from pursuing his evil objectives. He said to him: “You are promised government over ‘Ray’(Tehran today) yet you will never eat the wheat of that area.” Ibn Sa’d responded: “Its barley will suffice!!” Realizing that he couldn’t change Ibn Sa’d’s mind, Imam Hussein a.s. said: “Those who use unlawful means to achieve their objectives never attain them.”
     
    14. CHASTITY AND HIJAB: After the tragedy of Ashura, women and children became prisoners of war and were taken first from Karbala to Kufa and then to Damascus. They were tortured on route and forced to walk behind the soldiers who carried the heads of Imam Hussein a.s. and his companions mounted on their spears. When they arrived at Yazid’s headquarter in Damascus, Imam Sajjad a.s. asked that the ‘heads’ be removed from the proximity of the women and children in order to protect them from spectators.
     

     

    “Glory be to your Lord, the Lord of Honour, beyond what they describe. And peace be upon the Apostles. And all praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the worlds.”
     
    Thirty Lessons from Ashura
    1. Align yourself with right no matter the cost.
     
    2. Enjoin good and forbid evil.
     
    3. Love those who are good and befriend yourself to them.
     
    4. Do not be friends with those who do evil, are cruel or are foolish.
     
    5. When you love someone, you should feel their pain and mourn their tragedies.
     
    6. The more you love someone, the more you will feel for them.
     
    7. You should love God and His messengers and guides more than you love yourself and your family.
     
    8. There is nothing wrong with showing genuine emotion in response to oppression in public.
     
    9. We should all fight oppression with whatever we have.
     
    10. There is more than one way to fight; pick the one that suits the circumstances. Ask those who are wise about the right way.
     
    11. Ask those who are wise about everything and follow them.
     
    12. A follower should not only incline to his leader and listen to him, but reform his actions to be in accordance with his leader's. If he really loves him, he will work hard to avoid anything contrary to his leader's teachings. If he does not really love him, he is a hypocrite and offers lip service but will fail a rest test if it comes.
     
    13. If people let the memory of injustice fade, it is easier for tyrants to carry it out again.
     
    14. God protects His message so that we may know it.
     
    15. Godly people make great sacrifices for God's cause.
     
    16. The right often lies with the few rather than the many. Don't be afraid to be a minority.
     
    17. Hijab is precious. Family is precious. Brave, loving men are precious. Women who speak up when necessary are precious.
     
    18. Nothing is more precious than God.
     
    19. The jihad of men and women is different, but we must all practice patience, forbearance, and willingness to forgive someone who is truly sorry.
     
    20. The length of your life as a Muslim is less important than what you do with that time. It is better to die at the pinnacle of your faith than to live another moment on its decline. We should dedicate ourselves to the cause of God and increasing our faith.
     
    21. Prayer is so important that even on a battlefield you must keep it.
     
    22. Young and old alike can do great things or terrible things.
     
    23. God has a plan.
     
    24. Thirst is terrible. Do not anyone or thing go thirsty while you have the power to prevent it. When you drink, remember those who died thirsty because people prevented them from having it.
     
    25. Silence or inaction can be VERY evil. You can be guilty without committing the action by letting it happen or deluding yourself that you can do nothing about it.
     
    26. It is our duty to become educated and aware as much as possible. Ignorance is not bliss, it is sin if it is preventable.
     
    27. We must be sensitive and compassionate toward the suffering of others. It is wrong to celebrate in the face of another's tragedy.
     
    28. Do not let differences divide what the love of God can unite. Ashura is an occasion to be united in love of God and God's messengers and guides.
     
    29. The one who sides with God can never be hopeless and the one who sides against God can never have hope.
     
    30. The unrighteous seek to deceive or intimidated others to be in their ranks. Do not be deceived or intimidated.
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    Logic reacted to Marbles in How Do We Stop This Madness?   
    I, too, am not fond of this tradition either. What's more, I have argued against it in the past, on record. But I can understand why so many people do it. What riles me is the language used to discredit not just a few but a large part of our Shia population as being 'barbaric' and 'mad' and 'products of jahiliyah'. Oh but this is the same language Wahhabis use against all of us!
     
    I guess Shias are so embarrassed with some rituals that they'd rather sound like Takfiris than take a charitable view of the fellow Shias.
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    Logic reacted to Marbles in How Do We Stop This Madness?   
    Wasalam.
     
    If it means anything for you to know, I personally don't support the practice of qama but I don't heap scorn on fellow Shias for doing it and I also don't accuse fellow Shias of inflicting more damage to themselves and to the religion than Takfiris and Wahhabis.
     
    Same with calling this jahiliyah. You guys are forgetting that there are eminent maraaje, in the past and in the present, who have allowed qama as a legitimate ritual of mourning and as one of sha`ir of Allah. So who is xyz on ShiaChat to decide if its jahiliyah or not. Are you calling those maraaje jahils too?
     
    No other dispute in Shia fiqh gets away with so much hatred and name-calling as you guys do when you take on the qama.
     
    Call WF system an innovation in religion reminiscent of Catholic papacy and see how far you go on SC without handed down a ban.

    By the way, my question stays: How does beating your chest black and blue and crying hoarse for something that happened 1400 years ago gives a better or good impression of Shia faith?
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    Logic reacted to Marbles in How Do We Stop This Madness?   
    If Daesh killing innocents does not upset you as much as qama then you got a serious problem, bro.
     
    I don't approve of qama on children who can't make up their own mind, but this is another attempt of the likes of Daily Mail to portray Muslims (Shias in this case) as barbarians and you guys are jumping over one another to concur. Just look at the comments section below to get an idea for whom this report was meant.
     
    If you put yourself on the 'madness' and 'barbaric' slippery slope, then beating your chest black and blue is also barbaric, if only less barbaric. So where will you stop?
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    Logic got a reaction from diyaa110 in Did Bibi Fatima Do Matam?   
    Gold!
     
    This is a great example of what happens to you when you a become a Salafi apologist literalist drone....
     
     
    Here is when these literalist start back tracking.
     
    For the love of God, Be honest with others and take a linear approach. The amount of flip flopping you do is ridiculous.
    Many muslims also believe Shias are kaafir - Many among them also believe they should be killed - Many among them also believe these shrines and majalis are waste of time - Many also believe Imam Hussain is (ra) not (as) - Many also believe Imams are not infallible.
     
     
    Haydar logic - Since many believe that then it must mean all do - Blanket statement in which case you are outside the scope of Shiaism. Kindly hang your mod badge .
     
     
    You are an outright liar who is towing the lines of people like Sean Hanitty and such . Only low iq people use the example of a few to apply to all but its quite evident that your religious training is coming from the mouth of HCY salafies.
     
     
    If you actually beleive in what you say then i will find a camp of a few that you fit in which allows me to label you as a deviant or even a mushrikeen in same rare case. Would you consider hanging your mod badge since in your mind it is a reasonable argument.
     
     
    lol what a bunch of crock.
     
    The prophet (Saww) said " i leave behind 2 weighty things - Quran & Ahlulbayt" So how is Hussain (as) any different then quran.
     
     
    Lets stop for a minute here - I think as a mod you need to start a thread on Imamate and your views on it. It seems like the idea of Imamate to you was just a worldy succession and that's it. This observation is not based on this thread alone but in multiple places where you spew your nonsense. 
     
    Ok so emotions are not controlled right. Person A hears about the event of Karbala and get lost in their sense of grief so they wail and beat their chest/head in the moment - Ayesha did it as well so i guess thats understandable.
     
    And i am guessing you are the person who is gonna define this difference - Am i right oh mighty one?
     
    I get your point but i keep my mouth shut on side of err.
     
     
    Just for the record the above point is moot and i can provide plenty of examples. .  Quran has made it clear that others will not be happy with you until you submit to their religion.
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    Logic got a reaction from Chaotic Muslem in Did Bibi Fatima Do Matam?   
    Gold!
     
    This is a great example of what happens to you when you a become a Salafi apologist literalist drone....
     
     
    Here is when these literalist start back tracking.
     
    For the love of God, Be honest with others and take a linear approach. The amount of flip flopping you do is ridiculous.
    Many muslims also believe Shias are kaafir - Many among them also believe they should be killed - Many among them also believe these shrines and majalis are waste of time - Many also believe Imam Hussain is (ra) not (as) - Many also believe Imams are not infallible.
     
     
    Haydar logic - Since many believe that then it must mean all do - Blanket statement in which case you are outside the scope of Shiaism. Kindly hang your mod badge .
     
     
    You are an outright liar who is towing the lines of people like Sean Hanitty and such . Only low iq people use the example of a few to apply to all but its quite evident that your religious training is coming from the mouth of HCY salafies.
     
     
    If you actually beleive in what you say then i will find a camp of a few that you fit in which allows me to label you as a deviant or even a mushrikeen in same rare case. Would you consider hanging your mod badge since in your mind it is a reasonable argument.
     
     
    lol what a bunch of crock.
     
    The prophet (Saww) said " i leave behind 2 weighty things - Quran & Ahlulbayt" So how is Hussain (as) any different then quran.
     
     
    Lets stop for a minute here - I think as a mod you need to start a thread on Imamate and your views on it. It seems like the idea of Imamate to you was just a worldy succession and that's it. This observation is not based on this thread alone but in multiple places where you spew your nonsense. 
     
    Ok so emotions are not controlled right. Person A hears about the event of Karbala and get lost in their sense of grief so they wail and beat their chest/head in the moment - Ayesha did it as well so i guess thats understandable.
     
    And i am guessing you are the person who is gonna define this difference - Am i right oh mighty one?
     
    I get your point but i keep my mouth shut on side of err.
     
     
    Just for the record the above point is moot and i can provide plenty of examples. .  Quran has made it clear that others will not be happy with you until you submit to their religion.
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