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Good to see this going after 11 years. However the posts haven't t really addressed the original intent of the thread and now that we're all wiser and more progressive, let's start over..

@ site admins Please update your religion options list and add Islam, as I don't identify with any of the denominations listed. Cheers

May I suggest you kids find common ground before you start 'debating' ? Everyone can find traditions that fit their dogmatic views. The salaf have been kind enough to publish a plethora of books filled with fabrications defending the views of their denomination. Therefore, follow the guidance of your Prophet and let the light of the Qur’an open your third eye. Your old man TheContentedSelf

you're just as bad as them

you can follow what you want, as long as it doesn't make you want to eat human organs.

part 2 comes part 1. brace yourself.

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Structure of upcoming posts related to this topic: What is meant by Akhbarism? It's inception and continuation Akhbarism and the onset of Salafism (Intermission - Some general laws that govern human thought/ideologies) Akhbarism and the decline of human thought Akhbarism - ideas and behaviours Usooli doctrines and the Akhbari reality Akhbarism and Secterianism The Quran and Akhbari contradictions The Narrations and Akhbari contradictions Akhbarism and the creation of (new) religious rites and rituals Akhbarism, ‘israeli’ narrations and other fabrications Akhbarism and the cause of decline of Shi'ism The Quran confronts the Akhbaris

I'm starting this series of posts to clarify my position on a few issues, whilst trying to answer some questions @Ibn al-Hussain posed in this thread, God-willing. I want to eventually prove this claim: that the rise of Akhbarism, and consequently what I term the 'Lite Akhbaris', has been the cause of death of the Shi'i intellectual, and the death of the Shi'i jurist-theologian in the Quranic sense (not in the conventional sense). I will compare the methodologies used by the classic scholars to deduce rulings covering all religious topics (not just 'lesser' fiqh, as it was commonly known then), to the now commonly applied sanad/chain method, institutionalised by S. Al-Khoei (rA). I want to show that this latter methodology has allowed Akhbarism to re-establish itself in the shape of 'Lite Akhbaris', operating under the guise of Usoolism. Lastly, I will try to provide a solution on bringing out the living from the dead. Update (02/01/18) Structure of upcoming posts related to this topic: What is meant by Akhbarism? It's inception and continuation Akhbarism and the onset of Salafism (Intermission - Some general laws that govern human thought/ideologies) Akhbarism and the decline of human thought Akhbarism - ideas and behaviours Usooli doctrines and the Akhbari reality Akhbarism and Secterianism The Quran and Akhbari contradictions The Narrations and Akhbari contradictions Akhbarism and the creation of (new) religious rites and rituals Akhbarism, ‘israeli’ narrations and other fabrications Akhbarism and the cause of decline of Shi'ism The Quran confronts the Akhbaris

You won't finish your coursework whilst chatting in SC

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It's a critique of Shi'I scholarly methodology, not a refutation of Shi'ism. I don't believe in refuting the other, whoever they may be.

All of it

Yes, I thought I've mentioned his name before: Seyyed Kamal Al Haydari, for starters, being an 'establishment' scholar (the establishment hates him) , and various 'banned' Arab modernist thinkers that you would probably not have heard of (like the Egyptian scholar Nasr Hamed Abu Zayed).