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Muslim2010

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  1. I just like to quote the verses that serve as food for thought as given below: إِنَّ اللَّهَ يَأْمُرُكُمْ أَن تُؤَدُّوا الْأَمَانَاتِ إِلَىٰ أَهْلِهَا وَإِذَا حَكَمْتُم بَيْنَ النَّاسِ أَن تَحْكُمُوا بِالْعَدْلِ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ نِعِمَّا يَعِظُكُم بِهِ ۗ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ سَمِيعًا بَصِيرًا 4:58 يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا أَطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا الرَّسُولَ وَأُولِي الْأَمْرِ مِنكُمْ ۖ فَإِن تَنَازَعْتُمْ فِي شَيْءٍ فَرُدُّوهُ إِلَى اللَّهِ وَالرَّسُولِ إِن كُنتُمْ تُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ خَيْرٌ وَأَحْسَنُ تَأْوِيلًا 4:59 إِنَّمَا وَلِيُّكُمُ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا الَّذِينَ يُقِيمُونَ الصَّلَاةَ وَيُؤْتُونَ الزَّكَاةَ وَهُمْ رَاكِعُونَ 5:55 The above verse are quite evidently mention that he matter was already been decided by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and the prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and the confirmation comes at ghadeer by the following verse: يَا أَيُّهَا الرَّسُولُ بَلِّغْ مَا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ مِن رَّبِّكَ وَإِن لَّمْ تَفْعَلْ فَمَا بَلَّغْتَ رِسَالَتَهُ وَاللّهُ يَعْصِمُكَ مِنَ النَّاسِ إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الْكَافِرِينَ5:67 wasalam
  2. Look brother i have already carried out discussion at the other threads, but i have just mentioned my view in this thread ONLY when my name has been quoted by Zaidism or when he has quoted me/us blind. So i re-confirm that i am not here for debating in this thread and have mentioned my response in return just for clarity. This is a right to respond when some one asked for it in an open forum ie SC. Wasalam
  3. Just to remind you that SC is an open forum and it is not your choice to say some one for not replying or responding. If some one remains unable to reply logically to the arguemnts then certainly it is not my mistake. wasalam
  4. The verse of Baligh at Ghadeer يَا أَيُّهَا الرَّسُولُ بَلِّغْ مَا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ مِن رَّبِّكَ وَإِن لَّمْ تَفْعَلْ فَمَا بَلَّغْتَ رِسَالَتَهُ وَاللّهُ يَعْصِمُكَ مِنَ النَّاسِ إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الْكَافِرِينَ 5:67 The verse of Wilayah إِنَّمَا وَلِيُّكُمُ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا الَّذِينَ يُقِيمُونَ الصَّلَاةَ وَيُؤْتُونَ الزَّكَاةَ وَهُمْ رَاكِعُونَ 5:55 The numerical placement of verse of Baligh at Ghadeer after verse of Wilayah 67-55 = 12 Both the verses are connected by numeral 12 that is exactly the count of 12 imams. Eid Ghadeer Mubarak
  5. The first source of guidance in religion is Quran, that asks us to ponder over its verses. That also include its format text and structure. The following is the statement coming from the verses of quran: Why does the quran mention exactly 12 times in its verses the word Imam if there were no 12 Imams in our nation? Do you attribute falsehood to the verses of quran? ۗ وَيَضْرِبُ اللَّهُ الْأَمْثَالَ لِلنَّاسِ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَذَكَّرُونَ And Allah presents examples for the people that perhaps they will be reminded. (14:25) وَلَقَدْ صَرَّفْنَا لِلنَّاسِ فِي هَٰذَا الْقُرْآنِ مِن كُلِّ مَثَلٍ فَأَبَىٰ أَكْثَرُ النَّاسِ إِلَّا كُفُورًا And certainly we have explained for men in this Quran every kind of similitude, but most men do not consent to aught but denying. (17:89) So it is like denial of 12 verses of Quran by your school of thought mentioning 12 imams, no doubt remain on it. wasalam
  6. 1. Where is the hadith mentioning names of 12 imams other than those 12 imams from the progeny of the prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)? I follow hadith thaqlyna thats why i reject the possibility of any other set of 12 imams. 2. The basis of religion is the verses of quran and hadith of the prophet not a distorted words or misquoted words or personal perception of one scholar. We have plethora of hadith for the count & names of 12 imams from the progeny of the prophet thats why our stance is like solid rock not like others who take few names by cherry picking from the mud. wasalam
  7. We stay at our words inline with the verses of quran and hadith of the prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) whether cherry picking of few names is continued by some Zadiya SC fellows to reject the truth. wasalam
  8. 1. The hadith Thaqyln mentions Book of Alalh (Quran) and Ahl alalbayt (Itrati Ahli bati ie progeny of the prophet) they both are not separated. They are to be followed and we both believe it. 2. The Quran mentions the confirmation of 12 Imams in its format of verses as the word imam has been used exactly 12 times to validate the presence of 12 imams in our nation and no mindful can deny this fact. 3. There is plethora of sunni and shia hadith (most of these have been presented in these threads). These clearly mention the names of 12 Imams from Ahl albayt (from itrat ie progeny of the prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) . These include Imam Ali, Imam Hassan, Imam Husain and 9 descendants of Imam Hussain (عليه السلام). The 12th Imam and 9th descendant is Imam Al Mahdi. This is a valid evidence for the identification of those 12 imams from the progeny of the prophet inline with the verses of quran as well as hadith Thaqlyn. 4. We both take Imam Ali, Imam Hassan, Imam Hussain and Imam Ali bin Hussain (Sajjad) (عليه السلام) in common as imams out of those 12. 5. Also there is no single hadith in sources that mentions any alternate set of 12 imams and the identification & confirmation of 12 imams from the progeny of the prophet is well proven. 6. Other sects have to adopt cherry picking to fill the gap for list of 12 imams instead of taking the hadith of prophet inline with the verses of quran for 12 imams as part of belief in religion. wasalam
  9. I appreciate your and likewise brother Abu Nur's efforts who has started this relevant thread for defining ahl albayt (عليه السلام) in the light of hadith of the prophet. I wish i could have given a reaction of "Agreed" and "Haha" emojy both to your post. But I add it here for sign of joy and happiness. Sura Tauba ie Baraat is placed at No. 9 and it has one special feature that it does not have a verse of Bismilla before it. It has exactly 129 verses. Just for my thought the number 12 comes out of 1+2+9=12. and 9 is number of this sura (9 descendant of Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) out of 12 are Imams and 9th is Imam Al Mahdi (عليه السلام)). As far as verse of Bismillah is not present before this Sura , for myself numerically this is the confirmation of occultation / ghayba of Imam Al Mahdi (عليه السلام). It is just mentioned as food of thought. Do not mind it my brother please. wasalam
  10. Ahl albayt (عليه السلام) has been referred as "Itrati Ahli bayti" in many hadith in sources. This refers to very sepcial postion of Ahl albayt (عليه السلام).who are progeny of the prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم). These include Fatima Alzahra saa daughter of the prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) her husband Imam Ali (عليه السلام). and their 11 descendents who are referred as 11 Imams (عليه السلام).
  11. The first source of guidance in religion is Quran, that asks us to ponder over its verses. That also include its format text and structure. The following is the statement coming from the verses of quran: Why does the quran mention exactly 12 times in its verses the word Imam if there were no 12 Imams in our nation? Why does the quran mention exactly 12 times in its verses the word Imam if there were no 12 Imams in our nation? Why does the quran mention exactly 12 times in its verses the word Imam if there were no 12 Imams in our nation? ۗ وَيَضْرِبُ اللَّهُ الْأَمْثَالَ لِلنَّاسِ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَذَكَّرُونَ And Allah presents examples for the people that perhaps they will be reminded. (14:25) وَلَقَدْ صَرَّفْنَا لِلنَّاسِ فِي هَٰذَا الْقُرْآنِ مِن كُلِّ مَثَلٍ فَأَبَىٰ أَكْثَرُ النَّاسِ إِلَّا كُفُورًا And certainly we have explained for men in this Quran every kind of similitude, but most men do not consent to aught but denying. (17:89) Is it not denial of 12 verses of Quran by your school of thought mentioning 12 imams? Is there not a plethora of hadith from sunni and shia sources about the count and names of 12 Imams (these hadiths have presented many times in these threads)? wasalam
  12. It can only be answered and accepted by those who are true believers in the verses of quran and hadith of the prophet for following his progeny including 12 Imams. wasalam
  13. The truth is evident with the verses of quran whether some one tries his best to fill the threads and posts with lies from distorted words of scholars and Daef / weak hadiths: wasalam
  14. The following example of the blind faith in some distorted words of few scholars or daef / weak hadith, and neglecting the verses of quran by fellows like Zaydis: Why does the quran mention in exactly 12 times the word Imam if there were no 12 Imams in our nation? ۗ وَيَضْرِبُ اللَّهُ الْأَمْثَالَ لِلنَّاسِ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَذَكَّرُونَ And Allah presents examples for the people that perhaps they will be reminded. (14:25) وَلَقَدْ صَرَّفْنَا لِلنَّاسِ فِي هَٰذَا الْقُرْآنِ مِن كُلِّ مَثَلٍ فَأَبَىٰ أَكْثَرُ النَّاسِ إِلَّا كُفُورًا And certainly We have explained for men in this Quran every kind of similitude, but most men do not consent to aught but denying. (17:89) Is it not denial of 12 verses of quran by your school of thought? wasalam
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