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  1. So the basis of your assumptions in religion is to take the so called judgement of a people chosen caliph as hadith in preference to the clear / muhkum verses (that is obviously against the verses of Qur'an for inheritance of Muslims women including the women of the Prophet saw) we completely reject again such non sense. 1 Sunni claim ; The Prophet leave sadqa and not inheritance. Against the verses of inheritance mentioned in Qur'an 2. Sunni claim: The daughter of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) had not right for Fadak ie the property of the Prophet saw.Against the verses of inheritance mentioned in Qur'an All such claims are rejected as there is no verse in the Qur'an that excludes the daughters and the women of the Prophet from his inheritance. No further discussion on the thread is needed. wasalm
  2. What is your evidence for billion dollar king that he got inheritance from his father but does not have land, money and assets from his father? I like to see it
  3. I do not like spoon feed any more, you may Google it and get it. The reference of the hadith has already been mentioned.
  4. 1. In his Fada’il al-Sahaba, Ahmad narrates thus on the authority of Sa’id ibn Jubayr who in turn narrates from ‘Amir: “When the Verse ‘Say [O Muhammad! Say unto people]: ‘No reward do I ask of you for this [Divine Call] except to be kind to my close relatives’ was revealed, the Companions of the Prophet (S) said unto him: ‘O Messenger of Allah! Who are your relatives whose love is incumbent upon us?’ He replied: ‘Ali and Fatima and their two sons (عليه السلام).’ He reiterated the sentence thrice.” ( Ihqaq al-Haqq, vol. 3, p. 2. Qurtubi also cites the tradition under the Verse in question (vol. 8, p. 5843). It is narrated from Imam ‘Ali ibn al-Husayn (عليه السلام) in Mustadrak al-Sahihayn that when Imam ‘Ali, the Commander of the Faithful (عليه السلام), was martyred, Hasan ibn ‘Ali delivered a sermon, in which he said: “I am from a family whose love is incumbent upon all Muslims by God Almighty and He said unto His Prophet (as): ‘Say [O Muhammad! Say unto people]: ‘No reward do I ask of you for this [Divine Call] except to be kind to my close relatives.’ Acquisition of the good is a reference to being kind to Ahl al-Bayt.” (Mustadrak al-Sahihayn, vol. 3, p. 2. Muhibb al-Din Óabari in Dhakha’ir (p. 37) and Ibn Hajar in his Sawa’iq (p. 101) have also cited the tradition). It is worthy of note that that citing the tradition also quoted by the author of Kashshaf, Zamakhshari, Fakhr Razi further adds: “The family of the Prophet (S) are those to whom they shall return, those people whose relationship is firmer and more perfect are regarded as the ‘family’ and it is evident that Fatima, ‘Ali, Hasan, and Husayn (عليه السلام) had the firmest relationship with the Messenger of Allah (S). This fact is substantiated by consecutively transmitted traditions. Thus it is incumbent upon us to call them as the family of the Prophet (S). Some people have different opinions regarding the meaning of ‘family’ (al). Some regard them as the close relatives of the Prophet (S) and some maintain that they are the Noble Prophet’s (S) community. Then Fakhr Razi proceeds to quote from Zamakhshari’s Kashshaf: “When the Verse was revealed, the Noble Prophet (S) was asked: ‘O Messenger of God! Who are your relatives whose love is incumbent upon us?’ He replied: ‘‘Ali, Fatima, and their two sons (عليه السلام).’ Now it is evident that these four persons are the Noble Prophet’s (S) close relatives and it behoves Muslims to pay deed respect to them.” Fakhr Razi further adds that there are different arguments substantiating the question: The aforesaid clause: “except to be kind to my close relatives” whose manner of argumentation was discussed above. The Noble Prophet (S) indubitably loved Fatima (عليه السلام) and regarding whom he said: “Fatima is a part of my body, what hurts her, hurts me.” …..Many others This is Mu[Edited Out]er hadith thus your false claim about against this verse and interpretation is rejected. In terms of traditions, Shi’I and Sunni sources unanimously reveal that the blessed Verse in question is revealed concerning the Noble Prophet’s (S) family (Ahl al-Bayt) loving them is obligatory and enmity against them is forbidden.
  5. The Sunni sources provide contradictory statements about Fadak since they are not able to absorb the truth. For Shia the verse was reveled for the Fadak to give it Fatima. We are not responsible for foolish and contradictory to the facts statements present in your sources. I reaffirm my view and neglect your irrelevant comments.
  6. What Allah has bestowed on His Messenger (and taken away) from them - for this ye made no expedition with either cavalry or camelry (like Fadak): but Allah gives power to His messengers over any He pleases: and Allah has power over all things.  (Al-Qur'an, Surah 59, Ayah 6, translated by Yusufali) Commentaries of the Qur'an confirm that Fadak was Fay property 1. Tafseer Kabeer, Volume 10 page 506 2. Tafseer Mazhari, p238 3. Tafseer Ruh Al-Ma'ani, Tafseer Surah Hashr. 4. Tafseer Muraghi, Tafseer Surah Hashr. 5. Tafseer Durr-e-Manthur, Tafseer Surah Hashr. 6. Tafseer Juwahir Tantawi, Tafseer Surah Hashr. The Prophet(saww) also gave Fatima Zahra(sa) a written instruction about Fadak  Following are the proofs from Ahl'ul-Sunnah work: 1. Rauzat ul Safa as quoted in Tashdheed-ul-Mathaeen page 102 2. Ma'arij un Nabuwwah, page 321 3. Habeeb us Siyaar, vol 1, Dhikr of Ghazwa Khayber I would like to mention that it is the problem of Sunni riJal system and its weakness for which we should not be blamed. I am NOT responsible for contradictory narrations present in the Sunni sources, I have already mentioned it.
  7. Fadak was the Fay Property: وَمَا أَفَاءَ اللَّهُ عَلَىٰ رَسُولِهِ مِنْهُمْ فَمَا أَوْجَفْتُمْ عَلَيْهِ مِنْ خَيْلٍ وَلَا رِكَابٍ وَلَٰكِنَّ اللَّهَ يُسَلِّطُ رُسُلَهُ عَلَىٰ مَن يَشَاءُ ۚ وَاللَّهُ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ What Allah has bestowed on His Messenger (and taken away) from them - for this ye made no expedition with either cavalry or camelry (like Fadak): but Allah gives power to His messengers over any He pleases: and Allah has power over all things. (Al-Qur'an, Surah 59, Ayah 6, translated by Yusufali) Commentaries of the Qur'an confirm that Fadak was Fay property 1. Tafseer Kabeer, Volume 10 page 506 2. Tafseer Mazhari, p238 3. Tafseer Ruh Al-Ma'ani, Tafseer Surah Hashr. 4. Tafseer Muraghi, Tafseer Surah Hashr. 5. Tafseer Durr-e-Manthur, Tafseer Surah Hashr. 6. Tafseer Juwahir Tantawi, Tafseer Surah Hashr. Imam Fakhrudeen Radhi writes in Tafseer Kabeer: "This verse was revealed with regard to Fadak, which the Prophet(saww) acquired as it was conquered without any fighting." Tafseer al-Kabeer, Vol. 10, page 506 The Prophet(saww) owned all of Fadak For proof the following Sunni works are referred: 1. Nawawi in Sharh Sahih Muslim, Volume 2, p92 2. Sunan Nasai, v7, p137 3. Wafa ul Wafa, v4, p1280 4. Sirat un Nabi by Ibn Hisham, v3, p353 5. Tareekh Abul Fida, p140, Dhikr Ghazwa Khayber Imam Nawawi writes in his Sharh of Sahih Muslim: "Half the Land of Fadak, which was given by the Jews following the peace treaty, was purely the property of Rasool Allah(saww). Similarly, 1/3rd of the Valley of Qari which was given by the Jews after the peace treaty and 2 castles of Khayber which is al-Watikh & al-Selalem, were owned by him after the peace treaty. The third his share 1/5 of Khaybar booty after the conquest by force, these were the exclusive properties of the Prophet(saww) and no one else had a share of it". The Prophet(saww) also gave Fatima Zahra(sa) a written instruction about Fadak Following are the proofs from Ahl'ul-Sunnah work: 1. Rauzat ul Safa as quoted in Tashdheed-ul-Mathaeen page 102 2. Ma'arij un Nabuwwah, page 321 3. Habeeb us Siyaar, vol 1, Dhikr of Ghazwa Khayber The texts read as follows: "Jibrael (عليه السلام) came to Prophet Muhammad(saww) and told him that Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) had ordered that he give the Dhul Qurba (close relatives) their rights. Rasulullah(saww) asked who was meant from Dhul Qurba and what is meant from 'right'. Jibrael (عليه السلام) replied that Dhul Qurba refers to Fatima Zahra(sa), and from 'right' it is meant the property of Fadak. The Prophet(saww) called Fatima and presented Fadak to her giving her a written paper as a proof. This paper was presented to Abu Bakr after the death of Rasool Allah(saww) by Fatima and she said that it was the paper which the Prophet(saww) wrote for her, Hasan and Husayn" Abu Bakr usurped the land of Fadak and Fatima Zahra(sa) asked him for her Right As evidence we have relied on the following esteemed Sunni works: 1. Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 53, Number 325 and Volume 5, Hadeeth number 546, pp 381-383 2. Sahih Muslim, Volume 2 page 72, Chapter 'Prophets leave no inheritance 3. Sunan Abu Dawood Book 19, Tribute, Spoils, and Rulership (Kitab Al-Kharaj, Wal-Fai' Wal-Imarah) Number 2967: 4. Sunan al Kabeera Volume, 6 page 30 (published in Hyderabad) 5. Riyadh al Nadira Volume, 4 page 231 (Baghdad publishers) 6. Sawaiqh al Muhriqa, page 21 Bab Muthaeen Abu Bakr 7. Maujam-ul-Buldan, Volume 3 page 312, Dhikr Fadak 8. Tafseer Kabeer, Volume 8 page 125 Ayat Fay 9. Kanz al Ummal, Volume 3 page 129, Kitab al Khilafat ma al Imara 10. al Milal wa al Nihal, Volume 1 page 18 11. al Bidayah wa al Nihaya, Volume 5 page 245 12. Tareekh Tabari, Volume 4 page 1825 13. Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal, Volume 1 page 158 14. Tareekh Khamees, Volume 2 page 174 15. Futuh al Buldan, page 35 16. Wafa al Wafa, page 995 17. Tabaqat Ibn Sa'd (Book of the Major Classes, d. 852 AD.), Volume 2, page 392 translated by S. Moinul Haq assisted by H.K. Ghazanfar M.A. 18. Naseem al Riyadh, Sharh Shifa Qadhi Khan Volume 3 page 414 The evidences presented above are sufficient for the confirmation of the fact from Sunni sources that Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) had given the property of the property of Fadak to his daughter Fatima sa in his life. If you have some contrary reports to this fact then I would like to mention that it is the problem of Sunni riyal system and its weakness for which we should not be blamed. Shia sources are in definite agreement that the verse of وَءَاتِ ذَا ٱلْقُرْبَىٰ حَقَّهُۥ  And give to the near of kin his due . was revealed for the the Prophet Muhamamd (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) when he gave the property of Fadak to her daughter Fatima SA. ٤٢_٢٣ ذَٰلِكَ ٱلَّذِى يُبَشِّرُ ٱللَّهُ عِبَادَهُ ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ وَعَمِلُوا۟ ٱلصَّٰلِحَٰتِ ۗ قُل لَّآ أَسْـَٔلُكُمْ عَلَيْهِ أَجْرًا إِلَّا ٱلْمَوَدَّةَ فِى ٱلْقُرْبَىٰ ۗ وَمَن يَقْتَرِفْ حَسَنَةًۭ نَّزِدْ لَهُۥ فِيهَا حُسْنًا ۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ غَفُورٌۭ شَكُورٌ That is of which Allah gives the good news to His servants, (to) those who believe and do good deeds. Say: I do not ask of you any reward for it but love for my near relatives; and whoever earns good, We give him more of good therein; surely Allah is Forgiving, Grateful. (42:23), English by Shakir The hadith mention that the near relative verse was revealed for Ali, Fatima , Hassan and Hussein AS. wasaalm
  8. Since we have a diffidence of opinion about the false claim of people chosen caliph (Prophets leave only is sadqa) as it is contradictory to the verses of Qur'an mentioning inheritance. Also there is no verse of Qur'an that deny the right of Muslim women including the women of the Prophet sa.w for inheritance. As you think other-wise that (the daughter of the Prophet had no right of inheritance from his property) we do have right certainly to ask the verses of Qur'an mentioning the exclusion of the women of the Prophet saw from his inheritance for verification of your false claim. wasaalm
  9. Just you need to use your head brother instead of copy pasting illogical statements. Did King Salaman of KSA get the kingdom but he did not get land, financial assets or money? What is the answer of my question asked many times in this thread?
  10. In the light of both Shia and Sunni sources it is well proven that Prophet Muhamamd saw had given the property of Fadak to Fatima saa in his life. The weaknesses in Sunni rijal system for verification of hadith and denial of truth is evident. We have already seen in this thread (by Sunni) to keep the eyes closed from the truth. The denial of truth approach comes from Ibne kaseer to consider the verse referring clearly to Fatima saa as fabrication. This is an evidence of hate towards the pure Ahl alabayt in order to save the false and against the verses of Qur'an foolish judgement of a people chosen caliph. I do have right to through such dirt on the wall. The other example for denial of truth is also mentioned below from Ibne kaseer: And Allah's word (and solomon inherited david) I.e. in kingdom and prophethood, and not it money The denial of the truth is evident by this illogical and absurd statement. Did King Salaman of KSA get the kingdom but it did not get land, financial assets or money? wasslam
  11. I have read and responded all your points but you are are failed to provide a single verse of Qur'an as evidence for woman of the Prophet excluded from his inheritance asked many times from your side
  12. As per belief of Shia and most Sunni that all Prophets are infallible. There is no fallible leader in the verses of Qur'an mentioned for the guidance of the people. this is as per Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) way and it does not change.
  13. 1. There is no concept of people chosen leader as successor of the Prophet for the guidance of the people in Qur'an. Shia has their leader who is 12th successor of the Prophet Muhamamd (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم). 2. Do you believe only Imam Al Mahdi as is in ghabah? I quote the examples that we believe and have not seen those like Angels, Prophets, Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and others. 3. Do you believe the Prophet Esa as is alive for more than 2000 years? He will come and pray behind the Imam Mahdi as as per hadith both in Shia and Sunnis. if the Prophet of bani Israel coming as follower is alive then the infallible Imam from the progeny of the chief of the Prophets Muhamamd saaqw is also alive. He is not separated from the Qur'an that the book for all generations then it is again a predominant proof that Imam is alive. Do you not believe that the Prophet Khizer as is alive fort thousands of years? wasalam
  14. Shia follow evidence based approach to verify and accept the truth. The answer has been mentioned earlier and also in following: Sunni follow denial of the truth approach by keeping the eyes closed from the truth The answers comes here in addition to above replied facts: وَمَن كَانَ فِي هَٰذِهِ أَعْمَىٰ فَهُوَ فِي الْآخِرَةِ أَعْمَىٰ وَأَضَلُّ سَبِيلًا And whoever is blind in this, he shall (also) be blind in the hereafter; and more erring from the way. (17:73) wasalam
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