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1. Curse on Iblis. ‘And surely on you is curse until the Day of Judgment.’ (Surah Hijr, 15:35) ‘And surely My curse is on you until the Day of Judgment.’ (Surah Suad, 38:78) From verse of Mubahila: Qur'an Surah Ale Imran : verse 61: But whoever disputes with you in this matter after what has come to you of knowledge, then say: Come let us call our sons and your sons and our women and your women and our near people and your near people, then let us be earnest in prayer, and pray for the curse of Allah on the liars.(3:61)

For whom are you asking brother? Imam Ali (عليه السلام) had shown tolerance towards people of Syria?? Is not so?

But you have exaggerated comments as usual for fuqaha of Shia at ShiaChat in many threads. I have just mentioned it before you carry on any further. What do you like to respond? Why do you compare us like Sunnis? Funny if such a thought any Shia has for his brothers.. Difference of opinion does not let end of tolerance. regards

I like to mention the following link that at least you should look before you try to mention any disrespectful sentences about the Fuqaha of Shia: https://www.al-Islam.org/fiqh-and-fuqaha/part-2-fuqaha#shi’-fuqaha I also like to quote the example of Syed Dildar Ali 1. Sayyid Dildar Ali, popularly known as Ghufran Ma'ab, was the son of Sayyid Muhammad Muin bin Sayyid Abdul Hadi. It would seem that his family, like many other Sayyid families, left Nishapur (Iran) because of the Mongol invasion and settled in India. He was born in 1166 AH. He completed his early studies in India, and in 1193 AH travelled to Iraq for further studies. Among his tutors in Iraq were great Fuqaha like Shaikh Ja'far Kashiful Ghita, and Wahid Behbehani. Later, he went to Mashhad (Iran) for further studies. Sayyid Dildar Ali, while in India, was of Akhbari persuasion, but he changed to Usuli school after his intensive studies in Iraq. Upon his return to Lucknow, he became a Marja' in India, his fatwas being regarded as final by the Shi’a populace. His magnum opus in Theology (Ilm­ul­Kalam) is known as "Imadul­Islam" which he wrote in Arabic, in refutation of anti­Shi’a arguments by Fakhr­ud­Din Razi. His detailed work in Fiqh is 'Muntahal Afkar'. His sons were also pious, dedicated scholars and teachers. Sayyid Dildar Ali died in the night of 19th Rajab 1235 (2nd May 1820), and was buried in Lucknow. wasalam

My post is not directly related to the topic of Isma but the following links certainly describe the importance of the situation as an example we are facing in present time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9ACdu7Q1rI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wg5E6IPxx4 After the above two we should also give a thought the concluding comments that came from the other scholar as given below: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgclfKQYyMA I hope the message will be clear after watching the above links. regards

Truth is evident for those who have eyes and think on the facts. Look another version a recent one, if you can get it: wasalam

1. They are probably scared of the slaves of Imam Al Mahdi (عليه السلام) 2. As per their thought ShiaChat may be under watch directly by Imam Al Mahdi (عليه السلام)

I do not consider there may such thing for blocking of ShiaChat in Pakistan, If you consider such in some particular area then try to use TOR browser.

Brother do not take much panic. We do not intend to spend the time for refuting of lies spreaded by TS. The following videos by Dr.. Tahir ul Qadri are sufficient to reject these lies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oxcr-Rm3a0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpbsNzz1b6E wasalam

Important close(); Thanks for sharing the hadith but I could not find this text in the given references in Arabic or English. However I like to quote few hadith regarding the hadeeth of Imams that I have got from the references: From: Basair Darjat Vol 1: CHAPTER 11 – REGARDING THE Imamsasws OF THE PROGENY OF Muhammadsaww, THEIRasws HADEETH ARE DIFFICULT AND BECOME MORE DIFFICULT 1 – Narrated to me Muhammad Bin Al-Husayn Bin Abu Al-Khataab, from Muhammad Bin Sinan, from Amaar Bin Marwaan, from Al-Munkhal, from Jabir who said: ‘Abu Ja’farasws said that the Messenger of Allahsaww said: ‘The Hadeeth of the Progenyasws of Muhammadsaww are difficult, no one will believe in them except an Angel of Proximity, or a ‘Mursil’ Prophetas, or a servant whose heart has been tested for faith. As for what comes to you from the Hadeeth of the Progeny asws of Muhammad saww, soften your hearts and understand it, accept it, and do not be disgusted by your hearts and reject them, (if unsure) refer them back to Allah azwj and to the Messenger saww and to the knowledgeable one from the Progeny asws of Muhammad saww. And he will (certainly) be destroyed, the one who narrated from that which he has not been able to bear, and who says, ‘By Allah azwj this was not it, this was not it, this was not it.’ 16 – And Al-MufazzAl-said: Abu Ja’farasws said: ‘Ourasws Hadeeth are difficult and become more difficult, intelligent, clear, the Angel of Proximity cannot bear them, nor can the Mursil Prophetas, nor the believer whose heart has been tested for faith. As for they being difficult, it is that he will not be able to ride them afterwards (act upon them), and as for them becoming more difficult, it is that he will fight against some of them, and as for they being intelligent, it is the intelligence of the believer, and as for them being clear, it is that with which he attaches by it to something in front of him, and not from behind him, and this is the Statement of Allahazwj [39:23] Allah has revealed the best announcement. The best Hadeeth are ourasws Hadeeth, no one from the creation is able to bear them, Hisazwj Order was Hisazwj Perfection until Heazwj Placed limits on them because the one who places limits on anything is greater than it, and Praise be to Allahazwj for those who incline towards them, and the denier is an infidel.’ wasalam ‘

Thanks for your response again. But I still disagree with your thoughts of actions above the law whether it is killing or detention or other. This is against human rights, this is against the religion , peace etc. I here quote the truth if we believe to be a follower of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and Imams. wasalam

The response from your side brother seems that you are just trying to protect some unjustified actions within the system and some above the law happenings. If a person is innocent or not but he should be presented to the court within 24 or 48 hrs and reasons should be made known to the court. I hope your agree to it instead of keeping the person hidden for months and years. The government has not signed the declaration of UN to end enforced disappearances nor the bill already presented in the parliament for ending the disappearances has been approved so far. This also does not provide a healthy sign for the ruling political party. Thanks for your response we partially agree to each other despite some difference of opinion. wasalam

The response is partially correct but it does not reflect the whole scenario in present conditions. There may be people went to fight in foreign country. The government took some year ago the stance that missing persons were abducted by the people other than country instruments but even it was rejected by the court. The present scenario defining the role of government instruments possibly by the influence of KSA & UAE is causing such disappearances. These are considered above the law since even a killer if captured has to be presented in the court within some like 24 or 48 hrs but not being followed. It does not mean all the agencies are involved in such but the role of some instrument in these incidents cannot be neglected based on past / facts already available in the media / court. I hope this clarifies the views presented in this thread. No one is favoring any criminal but to clarify the situation facts are brought here. wasalam

Thanks for your compliments brother. We always do it for love of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and their pure family. ie Ahl alabayat (عليه السلام). Listen a nice manqabat brother : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GheVJA2ink8