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Sen McGlinn

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  1. So I checked it - no sources, no context, no value.
  2. Edirne was captured by Russian and Britain in 1281 ???? How strange. That would be in 1865, but there's no historical record of the event. Which is logical, because Russia was fighting against Britain: France and Britain wanted to limit Russian expansion and therefore supported the Ottomans. You may have heard of the Crimean war (1853-1856). So anyone who claims they were working together should be treated with scepticism. Where is the evidence? The Suriy-e Ra'is / Surat-ar-Rais (Lawh-e Ra'is II) (aka Tablet of the Premier, Tablet to Ottoman first minister Mehmet Emin `Ali Pasha II) can be precisely dated in Rabi'u'th-Thani 1285 / August 1868, when Baha'u'llah was in Kashaneh en route to Gallipoli. And as the text shows, he was in a very bad mood at the way his little group had been treated by 'Ali Pasha. At that time the Vilayat of Edirne was -- as it had been for centuries -- ruled by the Ottomans. The Russian occupation did not come until 1878, during the Russo-Turkish war. When the British again supported the Ottomans. Even if you cannot read the Adyannet site well (it looks like you relied on google translate), you only have to look at the images they use to represent Bahais to see that they will not tell truth about Bahais. It is a propaganda site pure and simple. Here's the image they use to show the Bahais taking over the world with occult powers and a crystal ball (The text over the picture says Husayn Ali Nuri, fore-seer or demagogue): You can find more about the iconography of anti-Bahaism on my Bahai studies blog: https://senmcglinn.wordpress.com/images-of-hate/ Once you recognize how the images are trying to manipulate the reader to fear evil everywhere, you will be properly skeptical about the claimed "facts" on such sites. Truth needs no tricks.
  3. Good point: I read the question as "Shiah" rather than "twelver." The Fatimids were as you say Ismaili Shiah and therefore not twelvers
  4. Yes, under the Fatimid Caliphate, but not all the time. At times the Seljuks had more effective power in the Haramayn, at times the Fatimids or their (also Shia) allies the Sulayhids of Yemen.
  5. oops - that question is not addressed to me.
  6. No - that's just a bit of anti-Bahai propaganda. The current ruling does allow cousin marriages, but note the reservation at the end of this letter: In practice, I am not aware of first-cousin marriages in the Bahai community today. Historically, I think first and second cousin marriages were reasonably common in the Bahai community in Iran, but never a preferred match in the way they are in North Africa.
  7. Whoa, all I said was that "Some Bahais may see me as a second-class Bahai..." But not my colleagues in Bahai studies, or the thousands of Bahais who are my facebook "friends" or members of the groups I moderate. Not the Bahais I encounter on Bahai forums. If you can access Delphi forums you will find that Planet Bahai has a thread entitled "Sen" at the moment. http://forums.delphiforums.com/planetbahai/messages/?msg=12563.1 I go away for a few weeks, and they start to worry about me. It's sweet, but so far quite unnecessary, I am in excellent health. I do not know of any action on my part that led the UHJ to remove my name from the membership rolls, or what effect they intended to achieve. I assume there was a degree of misinformation behind the original decision, since there is not X for which it is true that Sen is eXier than all others, but in the event, they seem happy with their decision. The decision has led me to concentrate more on intellectual pursuits and the online Bahai community, which is probably where my life was heading anyway.
  8. The Golestan Javid story is incorrect, and probably a deliberate deception. Every Bahai cemetery I know of in Iran is called "Golestan Javid." So the existence of one (actually two) Golestan Javid in Tehran today, is not evidence that the Golestan Javid in Tehran was not destroyed. Bahais keep dying, so a new Golestan Javid is created. Perhaps the authors of this story really did not know that Golestand Javid is a generic name, but it seems unlikely. I think they were calculating the some readers would not know this, and would be deceived. The Golestan Javid cemetery in Shiraz was destroyed in 2014, by now there must be a new one, somewhere on the outskirts of the city. See http://news.bahai.org/story/993
  9. So far as I know, being removed from the membership rolls for "not meeting the requirements of membership" is phrased that way to indicate that it is not a punishment (sanction) for any behaviour. More like a no-fault divorce. Some Bahais may see me as a second-class Bahai, but most I think simply find it confusing and have no opinion. I've explained it by analogy to the coach who decides a player doesn't make the cut: a general qualitative evaluation that takes into account both the player's past performance, and the direction that the coach wants to take the team. Being disenrolled does not affect me emotionally, but it has had an effect on the course of my life, largely for the better.
  10. I am an unenrolled Bahai. In my case, the Universal House of Justice decided I do not meet the requirements for membership, which means I cannot be on the membership rolls, and therefore cannot vote or be elected to office. I do sometimes give presentations (I am just back from a seminar where I spoke on Abdu'l-Baha's letter to E. Wrestling Brewster, concerning Emanuel Swedenborg. But that is rare, I usually present and publish online which is better in so many ways. If I go to a conference it's mainly to meet old friends. I have suffered somewhat from personal jealousies and slanders, but generally speaking, if you find Bahais who are "against" me, it is probably not personal, just different perspective on some matters.
  11. Bahais in Iran do have cemeteries, but these are frequently vandalized or entirely destroyed by the authorities. On July 14 this year, the Bahai cemetery at Qorveh was completely destroyed: even the trees were cut down. See https://sensday.wordpress.com/2016/07/19/security-forces-destroy-bahai-cemetery-in-qorveh-arresting-one-bahai/ Bahais in Iran are not allowed to attend tertiary education, but some slip in by filling in the "religion" field in the application forms with "other" or "of course," or they fill in "Bahai" and some official lets it pass. When these Bahais are discovered, they are expelled. There are tight restrictions on employment for Bahais also: they may not work in the civil service or armed services, although they do compulsory military service and were enlisted during the war with Iraq. They may not be employed or have businesses in sectors that involve food, drink or personal services. the list changes from time to time. On May 19, 2015, Saham News published a copy of the previously secret list of sectors from which Bahais are banned (by that time the list was already five years old, and incomplete). It says that Bahais may not work in cultural, educational or financial institutions, and are not to be allowed to work in the sectors of periodicals, jewelry, watchmaking, print-making, tourist agencies, car rentals, publishing and bookshops, photography, film-making, internet gaming, computers, or internet cafes. They may not own printing works or hotels and other accommodation for travellers, or teach tailoring skills. The order refers to the widespread Iranian belief that Bahais are unclean, and requires the police bureaus to block them from restaurants, cafeterias and catering, food ingredients and foodstuff sales, takeaways (Iranian-style), cafes, butchers shops, supermarkets, the production and sale of ice-cream, fruit juice, soft drinks, pastry and sweets, and coffee. At some stage optometry was apparently added to the list, without distinguishing between import and manufacture on the one hand, and prescription and retail sales on the other hand.
  12. Yes, Bahais believe in the Prophet Muhammad, and the authenticity of the Quran. That's why Bahais defend Islam against anti-Islamic prejudice and ignorance.
  13. No, it is not a good thing for an Islamic State to persecute minorities: it gives Islam a bad name. Of course, thoughtful people will distinguish between what Islam is as a religion, and what Islamic State and Islamic states do in the name of Islam. The strange thing is, the Bahais in free countries are among those who make this distinction, who say that Islam is a beautiful religion which should not be judged by the behaviour of the worst of its followers, but rather by the achievements of the best of its civilizations, and its scholars and saints. The Islamic contribution to "western" civilization is huge, so is the Jewish contribution. In The Secret of Divine Civilization, Abdu'l-Baha argues that the progress of a people is best ensured by a willingness to learn from others, and he points to the contribution of Islamic civilizations to European civilization.
  14. Bahais in Iran are strongly encouraged to stay in Iran and support the progress of the country. Those who stay are heroes -- it is if you like a little martyrdom. On 23 June this year the Universal House of Justice wrote to some Bahais in Iran about their economic hardships, and in the beginning of the letter praised their interest in the progress of the Faith, their willingness to endure hardships in the path of God and their determination to remain in Iran. The letter is available in Persian here: http://www.payamha-iran.org/sites/lab.payamha-iran.org/files/sites/adefault/files/2016-06-23 - Persian_0.pdf
  15. The original claim was : In his book "Dala'il al-Sab’ah" (p.30-31), Ali Muhammad Bab (the founder of Babism and one of three central figures of the Baha'i Faith, claimed that his religion is going to be quickly dominant in the world just like Islam.I found a Persian edition of "Dala'il al-Sab’ah" with something like this statement on pages 30-31, but it is nothing like the Persian text you posted. The Persian text is here, http://www.bayanic.com/showPict.php?id=seven&ref=47&err=0&curr=47 on the last line and onto the next page, The English translation is here: http://bahai-library.com/bab_nicolas_terry_proofs on page 24 last two paragraphs: It is a prediction - but it is a prediction that his own followers will come to say, "I wish I had lived in the time of the Bab and been among his first disciples," but then they will reject "Man Yazhiruhu'llah" (he whom God will manifest, the next Manifestation of God) and so miss their chance to be among the early disciples and Companions.
  16. Yes. I am a Bahai. I have not heard that the Bab prophesied the conversion of the Jews in Iran. Many have converted, and so have many Zoroastrians - but this could be a prophecy after the fact. First they converted, then someone said that the Bab prophesied it.
  17. I found a copy of the Seven Proofs of the Bab online, and searched through it, but I did not find these statements of the Bab. An English translation of the book is online, and I also looked at the French translation by Nicolas. I looked just at pages 30 & 31 of a Persian text that is online, and again found nothing like this.
  18. As for the prediction " The time is two years hence, when only a spark will set aflame the whole of Europe... by 1917 kingdoms will fall and cataclysms will rock the earth." - this is not the authentic words of Abdu'l-Baha. He did warn of the imminent war in Europe, and once the war had began, people noticed that he had been warning of it two years earlier, and these words were attributed to him. I have traced the sources of the story in detail on my Bahai Studies blog, at : https://senmcglinn.wordpress.com/2009/02/06/1917-and-all-that/ However the following warning on that wikipedia page is accurate. It is from a long letter of Abdu'l-Baha which is available in Persian and has been translated in full. I will give the bit about the Balkans with a bit more context:
  19. You can check the facts on Dolgorukov's life yourself, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimitri_Ivanovich_Dolgorukov. This shows that he was in Europe when his "memoirs" say he was in Iran creating the Babi movement, and was dead when his "memoirs" say he was helping Baha'u'llah.
  20. I see you also claimed that Bahais carry out the agenda of Israel. An empty claim, with no specifics and no evidence. The Government of Iran has been claiming this since 1979, and have yet to find a single notebook, letter or email as evidence. The claim is in any case idiotic: Bahais in Iran are excluded from working in the civil service, from higher ranks in the military (they do serve as soldiers), and they are under constant surveillance. Their houses are regularly raided. If Israel was seeking agents in Iran (it no doubt has some) it would not accept Bahais! Israel would want good Shiah men who can work in the military and in government departments, and who will not be watched closely by the Ministry of Information.
  21. Basher, it appears you have been misinformed. The Bahais were never supported by the Czar. This story was put about in a fake document known as the Memoirs of Count Dolgorukov. The 'memoirs' are written in Persian, and were published in Mashhad. They cannot possibly be written by Count Dolgorukov (a real Russian diplomat, aka Dolgoruki) who served as the ambassador to Tehran from 1846 to 1854. But the Babi Faith began in 1844. The memoir claims that Dolgorukov came to Persia in 1834 as a translator for the Russian embassy. But from 1832 to 1837, he was actually the Secretary of Russian Legation in the Hague, the Netherlands. Therefore historians - except for some who believe this Russian had the miraculous ability to be in two places at the same time - have concluded that the memoirs are fictitious. Among the Iranian historians who have rejected the memoirs' authenticity are 'Abbas Iqbal-Ashtiyani, Ahmad Kasravi, and Mujtaba Minuvi. As to the real author, Mina Yazdani has suggested Shaykh Ibrahim Zanjani (Mina Yazdani, "The Confessions of Dolgoruki: Fiction and Master narrative in Twentieth-Century Iran." Iranian Studies 44.1, pp. 42-45, 2011). See more: http://debunking-myths.blogspot.co.nz/
  22. Bahais were persecuted in Iran in the 19th century, before Israel existed. The founder, Baha'u'llah, was exiled to Iraq by the Shah of Iran, and then sent as a prisoner to Palestine by the Ottoman rulers, arriving there in 1868. Yes, the state-sponsored media in Iran, and Iranian diplomats at the UN, regularly say that the Bahai Faith is not a religion, but rather a political movement. This is because the constitution guarantees religious freedom in Iran, so they have to define the Bahai religion as a non-religion. However the reason it is persecuted, is because it IS a religion, founded after Islam, and they believe that "seal of the prophets" means that God's hands are chained forever. And it is a religious community without any clerical class -- scholars in the Bahai community have no authority, as the community is run by elected "assemblies" of lay people. Those are the main religious reasons for the persecution of the Bahais. The persecution also entails the confiscation of Bahai properties, so there is an economic motivation as well.
  23. With respect to the conspiracy theory about Bahais marrying their blood relations, I have worked the material here up into a blog posting. I would like to thank all those who have participated for their help in preparing this.
  24. Wahdat, Hadez803 has already conceded that there is no actual case of a Bahai marrying his sister or the like. See http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235029796-can-you-identity-any-bahai-conspiracy-theories/#entry2798779 You are correct of course - no community does such things. If it did, the effects would be immediately visible, in the form of lower intelligence, shorter life spans, mongoloid features, and so on. Bahais are indistinguishable from the general population in Iran, ergo, the stories about them practicing incest are rubbish. Hadez803's critique is a bit different. He thinks that the Bahai Faith is deficient as a religion, because it's scripture does not contain a list of the prohibited degrees of affinity for marriage, such as is found in Leviticus 18:8-18, and Quran 4:22-23. He knows Bahais don't actually practice incest, but thinks "In lands where no such laws exist Baha'is can indulge in incest." These lands exist only in his imagination, but never mind that. Hadez803 is perfectly entitled to set up a model of what a good religion should be, and find that the Bahai Faith doesn't fit the bill. He should reflect that the Gospels also contain no list of the forbidden degrees of affinity, yet the Prophet Muhammad apparently treated it as a divine religion. His assumption that civil law is the only restriction on Bahais marrying their near relatives is wrong -- the result quite simply of what he does not know about the Bahai Faith. I've discussed the first ten principles on this issue, and the mechanisms that implement them, previously in this thread. http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235029796-can-you-identity-any-bahai-conspiracy-theories/#entry2799332
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