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power

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    power reacted to Sirius_Bright in Universe   
    Ibne Arabi does not represent Islam, Ahlulbayt (عليهم اسلام) does. 
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    power reacted to iCenozoic in Universe   
    In my decade on this site, it's rare that I get a plug^^ thanks! I've picked up a lot of information since 2011, maybe I'll update that topic.
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    power reacted to Ashvazdanghe in Universe   
    Salam
    http://www.islamquest.net/en/archive/question/fa3297
     
    https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235060044-age-of-universe/
    https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235053642-when-did-adam-as-appear-on-earth/
     
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    power got a reaction from ShiaChat Mod in Opinion on cursing some of the sahaba   
    This is an extract from Nahjul Balagha :
    During his silence, he indeed started cooperating with the first 2 Caliphs as consultant and did his best to decrease the damage as much as possible. If he had not done so, Islam would have been destroyed completely. Imam Ali said: "I tolerated those periods as if there was a thorn in my eye and a sharp bone stuck in my throat."(1) Islam was very young at that time (only 23 years old!) and division among Muslims could have totally removed Islam from the surface of the earth. So he kept silent.
    Even though Imam Ali (عليه السلام) cooperated with companions, the above sermon from Imam Ali (عليه السلام) clearly shows he had endured immense pain in silence. 
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    power reacted to Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi in Why is it that Sunnis think that Abu Bakr should been the leader?   
    Because sunnis love to reject and twist traditions of Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم).
    Ghadeer e khum is clear evidence. Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said do i not have more authority over believers than themselves? They said Indeed. Then Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said For whomever I was Mawla, Ali is his Mawla.
    Also Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said Ali is wali of every believer after me.
    Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said Ali is caliph of all the believers after me.
    Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said O Ali, you are a leader (Syed) in this world and Akhirat.
    Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said: i leave among you two weighty things if you hold fast to them you will never go astray. Kitab Allah and Ahlebait. They will never seperate from each other till they meet me at hawd.
    And Ayah e Mubahila states when Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) was called along with sons and his women, he took Ali Hassan Hussein and Fatimah with him and said These are my Ahlebait.
     
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    power got a reaction from Muslim2010 in Who was the Imam before prophet Muhammed ( (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) )   
    It is evidently obvious you have doubts. But anyway for a believer primary source will always have precedent  than any secondary source. 
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    power got a reaction from Muslim2010 in Who was the Imam before prophet Muhammed ( (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) )   
    Not entirely sure what point you are making now, however, you made a claim saying:
    Shias are unable to prove the validity of this claim historically... the only proof they have is hadith and interpretation of Quran verses.
    Then you said:
    what i mean outside of Islamic books...
    for example if i wanted to learn world history in genreral, i'm not going to pick up Quran and Hadith books... 
    Conclusion to your asserted claim is:  With the absent of independent source the claim is not valid. 
    But now it appears you are doing a U Turn i think.
       
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    power reacted to Muslim2010 in Opinion on cursing some of the sahaba   
    This statement needs the following two points in reply:
    1. There are many verses n Quran that mentions Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) send lanah on various groups or factions  like kufar, munafiqeen enemies of the prophet, enemies of Angels etc. There  is not time limit defined in quran for sending this Curse / Lanah . This means when these verses are recited lanah to those factions is sent  as mentioned in these  verses. For example:  
    إِنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا وَمَاتُوا وَهُمْ كُفَّارٌ أُولَٰئِكَ عَلَيْهِمْ لَعْنَةُ اللَّهِ وَالْمَلَائِكَةِ وَالنَّاسِ أَجْمَعِينَ
    Surely those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers, these it is on whom is the curse of Allah and the angels and men all; (2;161)
    أُولَٰئِكَ جَزَاؤُهُمْ أَنَّ عَلَيْهِمْ لَعْنَةَ اللَّهِ وَالْمَلَائِكَةِ وَالنَّاسِ أَجْمَعِينَ
    (As for) these, their reward is that upon them is the curse of Allah and the angels and of men, all together.
    2.   There are verses associated with the prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and his purified progeny where their enemies  and those rejected them are cursed in the verses of quran like:
    وَمَنْ أَظْلَمُ مِمَّنِ افْتَرَىٰ عَلَى اللَّهِ كَذِبًا ۚ أُولَٰئِكَ يُعْرَضُونَ عَلَىٰ رَبِّهِمْ وَيَقُولُ الْأَشْهَادُ هَٰؤُلَاءِ الَّذِينَ كَذَبُوا عَلَىٰ رَبِّهِمْ ۚ أَلَا لَعْنَةُ اللَّهِ عَلَى الظَّالِمِينَ
    And who is more unjust than he who forges a lie against Allah? These shall be brought before their Lord, and the witnesses shall say: These are they who lied against their Lord. Now surely the curse of Allah is on the unjust. (11:18)
    إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يُؤْذُونَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ لَعَنَهُمُ اللَّهُ فِي الدُّنْيَا وَالْآخِرَةِ وَأَعَدَّ لَهُمْ عَذَابًا مُّهِينًا
    Surely (as for) those who speak evil things of Allah and His Messenger, Allah has cursed them in this world and the here after, and He has prepared for them a chastisement bringing disgrace. (33:57)
    فَمَنْ حَاجَّكَ فِيهِ مِن بَعْدِ مَا جَاءَكَ مِنَ الْعِلْمِ فَقُلْ تَعَالَوْا نَدْعُ أَبْنَاءَنَا وَأَبْنَاءَكُمْ وَنِسَاءَنَا وَنِسَاءَكُمْ وَأَنفُسَنَا وَأَنفُسَكُمْ ثُمَّ نَبْتَهِلْ فَنَجْعَل لَّعْنَتَ اللَّهِ عَلَى الْكَاذِبِينَ
    But whoever disputes with you in this matter after what has come to you of knowledge, then say: Come let us call our sons and your sons and our women and your women and our near people and your near people, then let us be earnest in prayer, and pray for the curse of Allah on the liars. (3:61)
    Would  you like to stop the Laanh on kufars and munafiqeen  as those who have died earlier but the verses are still part of Quran for lanah /curse on them?
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    power reacted to Muslim2010 in Opinion on cursing some of the sahaba   
    The curse is a general term but it means to send Lanah on enemies of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), the prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and his purified family. This is necessary to disassociate ourselves  from enemies of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), the prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and his purified progeny (عليه السلام). 
    This lanah should be sent as described in sayings of imams like mentioned in Ziarate Ashura and other duas of Imams. This should not exagearted beyond the words quoted in the ziarat and Duas.
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    power reacted to starlight in Opinion on cursing some of the sahaba   
    Jeez.. four pages!! There is lanah in Ziyarat e Ashura. This Ziyarat is considered authentic. Those of you whole feel like doing Lanah go and recite Ziyarat e Ashura, will get you lots of sawab and added worldly benefits or recite Quran, verse 9:67- 68 for example. Again the rewards for Quran recitation are numerous. 
    Those who don't want to do lanah carry on as usual.
    Problem solved.
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    power reacted to Sirius_Bright in Opinion on cursing some of the sahaba   
    Why do people take cursing negatively? Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) has cursed so many times in Holy Qur'an. Darkness? 
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    power reacted to Sirius_Bright in Opinion on cursing some of the sahaba   
    I believe the topic is very clear according to Shi'a Twelver beliefs. We have so many Qur'anic verses and Ahadith that undeniably proves our belief in Tabarrah. The only query, if any, should be private or public dissociation and that is just common sense. The only reason this topic is stretched so much because this guy wants to force his belief on others. 
    No mujtahid is going to tell you 'yes, please curse non-stop in face of sunnis'. I don't know why you need approval for wajib & straightforward Ibadat. 
    As much as you want this kind of topic should not be discussed, you only have stretched it far down here. Irony. 
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    power got a reaction from Muslim2010 in Opinion on cursing some of the sahaba   
    Using profanity language is prohibited, discussing  historical discourse is not.
    Now can you articulate concisely this comment of yours; Because it has become source hatred amongst Muslims that has damaged the Islam.
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    power got a reaction from starlight in Opinion on cursing some of the sahaba   
    Using profanity language is prohibited, discussing  historical discourse is not.
    Now can you articulate concisely this comment of yours; Because it has become source hatred amongst Muslims that has damaged the Islam.
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    power reacted to Hameedeh in Opinion on cursing some of the sahaba   
    Cursing is not allowed at ShiaChat. We all need to treat other members and guests with respect. The link posted -- in a reply above -- goes to a blog and whoever runs that site has posted their own view. If members here cannot refute it, then please ignore it. I'm not going to remove that post or the link, because the link has been posted as a reply in many other topics over the years.
    Every marja has an opinion on what Tabarra means and how it is expressed. In some countries it is expressed as "I am disassociating myself from those who are the enemies of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), the Holy Prophet SA and the Ahlul Bayt AS." In some communities it is expressed as "extreme displeasure" or "aloofness" or "shunning". In other countries, it might be very harsh words, especially where Tabarra agitation occurred in the past. Most of us cannot really understand what it feels like to live in Southeast Asia where Shias are physically under attack. Due to circumstances, for them Tawalla and Tabarra are a family tradition and way of life, so they will staunchly defend it to the death. I would hope that the rest of us would keep them in our duas. 
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    power reacted to Sirius_Bright in Opinion on cursing some of the sahaba   
    Now, you will even question us for posting links to Ahadith & teachings of Ahlulbayt (عليهم اسلام)? 
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    power got a reaction from Diaz in Who was the Imam before prophet Muhammed ( (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) )   
    If i wanted to learn about the Prophets and previous Prophets, i wont pick up a science book, Quran and hadith would be the primary source.  
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    power reacted to OrthodoxTruth in Who was the Imam before prophet Muhammed ( (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) )   
    With this notion of thinking you can dismiss entire Sunni and Ibadi corpus as well. You can dismiss most religions relying only on secondary, non-religious sources. For example, there’s hardly any proof for the existence of Nabi Isa (عليه السلام), except the Bible and the Quran. Same thing with the Buddha and so on. Being a rationalist on a religious forum is either a provocation or a way to waste time. From the threads that you create, it clearly shows that you accepted rationalism over any religious understanding. Sooner or later, most likely, you will become an atheist. 
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    power got a reaction from OrthodoxTruth in Who was the Imam before prophet Muhammed ( (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) )   
    It is evidently obvious you have doubts. But anyway for a believer primary source will always have precedent  than any secondary source. 
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    power got a reaction from OrthodoxTruth in Who was the Imam before prophet Muhammed ( (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) )   
    Not entirely sure what point you are making now, however, you made a claim saying:
    Shias are unable to prove the validity of this claim historically... the only proof they have is hadith and interpretation of Quran verses.
    Then you said:
    what i mean outside of Islamic books...
    for example if i wanted to learn world history in genreral, i'm not going to pick up Quran and Hadith books... 
    Conclusion to your asserted claim is:  With the absent of independent source the claim is not valid. 
    But now it appears you are doing a U Turn i think.
       
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    power got a reaction from OrthodoxTruth in Who was the Imam before prophet Muhammed ( (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) )   
    If i wanted to learn about the Prophets and previous Prophets, i wont pick up a science book, Quran and hadith would be the primary source.  
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    power got a reaction from OrthodoxTruth in Who was the Imam before prophet Muhammed ( (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) )   
    Historical history is normally relied upon books is not?
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    power got a reaction from Mahdavist in Who was the Imam before prophet Muhammed ( (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) )   
    If i wanted to learn about the Prophets and previous Prophets, i wont pick up a science book, Quran and hadith would be the primary source.  
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    power got a reaction from Mahdavist in Who was the Imam before prophet Muhammed ( (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) )   
    Historical history is normally relied upon books is not?
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    power got a reaction from Sirius_Bright in Opinion on cursing some of the sahaba   
    Concealment is don in a manner that nobody knows, otherwise is defies it purpose if its don openly. 
    The truth alway has consequences, regardless how you voice it. Rasulillah ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) went to many battles because of the truth. Imams (عليه السلام) were martyred because they were Haq.
    Those who were sincere in their imaan will be rewarded by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). The question is was the majority of the companions  sincere in their imaan? If you forensically study history of the companions, then sadly your perspective of the companions is unsound to put it mildly. History is a testimony that doesn't  favour your biased view.
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