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  1. Salam dear knight . Why go for the hassle of interpretation while Allah , the All-Knowing already disclosed the identity of the Ahle bayt : [033:028] O Prophet! say to your wives: If you desire this world's life and its adornment, then come, I will give you a provision and allow you to depart a goodly departing [033:029] And if you desire Allah and His Apostle and the latter abode, then surely Allah has prepared for the doers of good among you a mighty reward. [033:030] O wives of the prophet! whoever of you commits an open indecency, the punishment shall be increased to her doubly; and this IS easy to Allah. [033:031] And whoever of you is obedient to Allah and His Apostle and does good, We will give to her her reward doubly, and We have prepared for her an honorable sustenance. [033:032] O wives of the Prophet! you are not like any other of the women; If you will be on your guard, then be not soft in (your) speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease yearn; and speak a good word. [033:033] And stay in your houses and do not display your finery like the displaying of the ignorance of yore; and keep up prayer, and pay the poor-rate, and obey Allah and His Apostle. Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, O people of the House! and to purify you a (thorough) purifying. [033:034] And keep to mind what is recited in your houses of the communications of Allah and the wisdom; surely Allah is Knower of subtleties, Aware.
  2. Your name should be 'Shia unity' against Sunni ;)
  3. Gypsy

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  5. W/Salam dear knight . I agree with you that the household of the Prophet Muhammad (p) reserved a special place in the Qur’an . And you agree that the Shia Ahle bayat can’t be identified from the Qur’an . Good , thanks for your honest admission . But let me tell you something , you can easily identify the household of the Prophet from the Qur’an . Do a unbiased search , you will find them though Almighty Allah disagrees with Shia on it . Looking into Hadith regarding this issue can’t prove Shiasm right because Sunni people have very clear cut Hadith that the wives of the Prophet are his households. Again among Shia sects there 12 , 7 and 5 numbers of lineage of Ahle Bayat , which makes the situation more worse . Thanks . Your first part is obscure to me . For the other part , let me give you a home work . You can find almost hundred verses related with Salat in the Qur'an . Read them one by one and try to understand them . When you done , let me know if GOD allowed you to understand HIS words .
  6. Hi SYA . Qur'an is detailed and self-explained . Hence no need any other sources to elaborate it . You may know the verse : [006:114] Say: "Shall I seek for judge other than God? - when He it is Who hath sent unto you the Book, explained in detail." They know full well, to whom We have given the Book, that it hath been sent down from thy Lord in truth. Never be then of those who doubt. [007:052] For We had certainly sent unto them a Book, based on knowledge, which We explained in detail,- a guide and a mercy to all who believe. May you know the above verses , but you don't admit .................... Everything is detailed in the Qur'an , but the way GOD wants it , not the way Shia/Sunni want it , hence eventually you can't find Shia/Sunni method of Salat or Hajj there . Simple isn't it ? Okay , now show me a single verse where necessity of Hadith is presented in the Qur'an . A very clear , straight forward and well - understandable one , please . Don't play hide and seek .
  7. Salam . Are sure about your counting ? These distinct initials are not 12 , rather 13 , hence your 'cool proof' may not a cool one this time ... 1. Chapter 2, The Cow: ʾAlif Lām Mīm ……………. ALIf(1),LAM(2),MIM(3) 2. Chapter 3, Āl-Imran: ʾAlif Lām Mīm 3. Chapter 7, Al-Aʿarāf: ʾAlif Lām Mīm Ṣād………….. SAD(4) 4. Chapter 10, Yunus: ʾAlif Lām Rāʾ……………….. RA(5) 5. Chapter 11, Hud: ʾAlif Lām Rāʾ 6. Chapter 12, Yusuf: ʾAlif Lām Rāʾ 7. Chapter 13, Raʿd: ʾAlif Lām Mīm Rāʾ 8. Chapter 14, Ibrahim: ʾAlif Lām Rāʾ 9. Chapter 15, Ḥijr: ʾAlif Lām Rāʾ 10. Chapter 19, Maryam: Kāf Hāʾ Yā Ain Ṣād…………….KAF(6),HA(7),YA(8),AIN(9) 11. Chapter 20, Ṭāʾ-Hāʾ: Ṭāʾ Hāʾ………………. TA(10) 12. Chapter 26, The Poets: Ṭāʾ Sīn Mīm…………….. SIN(11) 13. Chapter 27, The Ant: Ṭāʾ Sīn 14. Chapter 28, Al-Qaṣaṣ: Ṭāʾ Sīn Mīm 15. Chapter 29, The Spider: ʾAlif Lām Mīm 16. Chapter 30, The Romans: ʾAlif Lām Mīm 17. Chapter 31, Luqmān: ʾAlif Lām Mīm 18. Chapter 32, The Adoration: ʾAlif Lām Mīm 19. Chapter 36, Yāʾ-Sīn: Yāʾ Sīn 20. Chapter 38, Ṣād: Ṣād 21. Chapter 40, The Believer: Ḥāʾ Mīm 22. Chapter 41, Fuṣṣilat: Ḥāʾ Mīm 23. Chapter 42, Al-Shūrā: Ḥāʾ Mīm; ʿAin Sīn Qāf……………….. QAF(12) 24. Chapter 43, The Embellishment: Ḥāʾ Mīm 25. Chapter 44, The Smoke: Ḥāʾ Mīm 26. Chapter 45, The Kneeling: Ḥāʾ Mīm 27. Chapter 46, The Sandhills: Ḥāʾ Mīm 28. Chapter 50, Qāf: Qāf 29. Chapter 68, The Pen: Nūn………………………………. NUN(13) Thanks . W/Salam brother . Before going in details , the most important thing is to identify who are Ahle-Bayat or Al-Qurba . Can you tell me who are them by using Qur'an only , strictly from Qur'an only? . Thanks .
  8. Mod's note: - Please go to Shia Sunni forum to speak about Abu Bakr and Umar's supposedly virtue. There will be no more polite note in the future. Salam . Zareen has deleted all m y posts , otherwise you could have realized that citing Hadith is useless to prove Shia point of view because Sunni also possess so many convincing hadith in favor for Abu Bakar and Umar . The following one is even more convincing and clear than yours :
  9. Zareen , you have deleted the words of GOD . If you don't return them in their previous place you will pay for that INSHALLAH . The verses I mentioned nothing to do with Shia/Sunni , they are applicable for anybody , even for those who are not Muslim.
  10. Salam FAH .I beg your pardon , I didn't get what you properly ... Salam . There are enough and convincing reports can be found in favor of Abu Bakr and Umar that a Sunni can be happy enough , may be more than a Shia does to see reports in favor of Ahle Bayat and/or Ali . Hence the Hadith you pasted can not prove anything . Let me cite the following one from Bukhari which , I am sure , not only unacceptable to you , but can cause of anger and hatred in your heart : Shahih Bukhari . Volume 5, Book 57, Number 20: Narrated Muhammad bin Al-Hanafiya: I asked my father ('Ali bin Abi Talib), "Who are the best people after Allah's Apostle ?" He said, "Abu Bakr." I asked, "Who then?" He said, "Then 'Umar. " I was afraid he would say "Uthman, so I said, "Then you?" He said, "I am only an ordinary person. Hence citing from Hadith and Tafsir can add nothing in this case of who is right and who is wrong, both Shia and Sunni can produce plenty of evidences in favor of their own case . Better get yourself into the Qur’an only , as it is , without looking at the Tafsir and Hadith , then try to find something to prove Shiasm true or not . Hurrah on that !!
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