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(bismillah) I think it is Muslims that are needed. Not any specific sect. If Saladin conquered many states and spread the religion, he owes his own existence to Imam al Hussein ibne-Ali (a.s) who saved Islam on Kerbala. Islam needs imam, it always leave us with an imam to follow. Islam wasn't saved by Umer, Saladin, or Hezbollah, or Khomeni, or Zakir Naik for that matter. Islam was brought to us by Mohammad (saw) and was saved by Hussein (a.s). Death of Yazeed b. Muawiyyah mal3oon was a turning point. Islam's rebirth was on Ashoora. The good thing is that Shia & Sunni all agree on that. For ages, muslims have been inspired by Hussein (a.s)'s fight, his courage, his sacrifice. This thread was opened to condemn Zakir's derogatory comments. He called Yazeed- qatil-e-ibne RasoolAllah-a radi-Allah. I believe, it is very fair to condemn him on that stand. You can fight for Islam against Christians and Jews but if you forget who gave you this Islam, who saved it for you- it's sad. Yazeed changed the face of Islam- and in that sense- he was a bigger enemy of Islam. He is mal3oon to say the least. Says Mohammad (saw) : Husseino minni wa ana min-el Hussein. And, Al Hassan wal Hussein Sayyed-e- Shaba'b-e ahl-el janna'. We have to speak clearly and loudly. Are we with Hussein or with Yazeed. There is no option- both. We know it. Mohammed (saw) made it clear when he said that "...who loves ahlulbayt loves me, their enemy is my enemy...". If Hussein's Sacrifice for Islam is what we value, we cannot follow or take pity on Yazeed. One who does is not trying any unity- let's not be creative. One who wants to follow both -is riding two boats and will end nowhere. We follow Hussein, and condem, and curse who stood in his way, and way of Mohammad (saw). It is the respect for Hussein (a.s) and Mohammed (saw) that a lot of people hesitate, if not hate, to even name their son Yazeed. Mulslims know it. They condemn acts of Yazeed (l.a). Hope it helps. Thanks.

(bismillah) Actually, Ali (a.s)'s God is not different than anyone else's. It's us, it's people who may wrongfully believe in different God or Gods. But the truth of the matter is that Allah is one. We can not justify the existence for Allah because our minds are limited, our thinking process goes only so far. Allah- on the other hand- is unlimited. When we cannot fully apprehend his creation, we can definitely not understand Him- the Creator. Says Imam Ali (a.s): "...He cannot be perceived by imagination nor measured by understanding....He cannot be perceived by senses. He cannot be thought of after the people..." (Nahj'al Balagha; Sermon 180). Also, regarding comaparison where you gave an example that how can negative be positive?- I agree that you can not justify existence of Allah with these limited tools of comparison and contrast, positive and negative. Here is what Imam Jaa'far Al-Sadiq (a.s) said on Deity. Following is an excerpt from Imam Al-Sadiq (a.s)'s conversation with an atheist on topic of Allah (swt)'s existence, "...Things entering our minds through external senses are known to be created objects and made-up instances. But in the way of proving the reality of the existence of God Who is the Creator of all things and beings we should try to ignore and condemn two ways of reasoning: "Negation" and "Comparison". "Negation" will directly imply the concept of the denial of His "Being", and nothing can be attributed to Him: This is in fact something allotted to the created persons, animals, objects and the like: The things with component parts, being in need of the-"Maker" Who is not of their mettle. Thus, the "Creator" may not be compared to the creatures.” If you succeed in proving the 'Existence' of God, then it seems as if you have defined Him as a limited and finite 'Being'! • '"No, this is not true. I have never restricted Him to certain limits; I merely try to prove the phenomenon of His 'Being'..."" Hope it helps. Thank you.

(bismillah) Also, question is put forth in way as if it is a challenge that if Ali (a.s) was Moula from his birth, then what's the significance Ghadeer Khum. In order to calrify that- Imam Ali (a.s) was/is Imam since his existence. During his early ages- Mohammed (saw) was present. So, Mohammaed (saw) is the ultimate leader. If Ali's miraculous birth in Kaab'a wasn't enough, it was Mohammed(saw) who indicated that Ali(a.s) is the "chosen" one. From the time of dawa't-e-dul' asheera, Hijra't, and Bad'r, and khyber etc- Prophet (saw) made it very clear who the successor should be, and who is chosen by Allah. "...Ali is to me as Haroon was to Musa...", "Me and Ali are from one noor...", and numerous more. However, on Ghadeer occasion- Mohammed (saw) put an end to anyone's doubts, questions, and excuses by declaring once and for all, "Whoever regards me as his moula, should know that Ali is his/her moula...". Thus, a reason to celebrate wilaya' of Ali, and rejoice our faith in Ali and therefore in Mohammed (saw) as our Moula. Shiai' celebrate Birthday of Imam Ali (a.s) Rajab 13th and Eid-al Ghadeer with same fervor and enthusiasm. Eid-al Ghadeer is a way, a chance- for all Muslims- to show our Prophet (saw) that we did not forget his words. We took to our hearts what he gave us.

786/110 (salam) I think you are mistaken when you say ...both sects. Imam Ali (a.s) never gave baya to Abu-Bakr. Sunni traditions narrate that he did. It is ridiculous how the narration goes. According to Sahih al-Bukhari, Imam Ali (a.s) never gave baya to Abu Bak'r till Fatima b. Mohamad (s.a) died. After her demise, people's attitude changed towards Ali (a.s) and apparently, he thought of reconciliation with Abu Bakr...went to him and said that Abu-Bakr is the right caliph but he should have involved bani hashim also before they made decision to make Abu Bak'r as caliph. Abu Bakr felt bad and wept. Later on, Abu Bakr accepted Ali (a.s)'s excuse for not giving baya, so far, and Ali(a.s) pledges oath of allegiance. I'll say Highly unlikely. Can anything weaker than this narration be found? Long story short, Imam Ali (a.s) never pledged allegiance to Abu-Bakr or others. Says Imam Ali (a.s) in his khutba al-shaqshaqiyya: "Beware! By Allah the son of Abu Quhafah (Abu Bakr)dressed himself with it (the caliphate) and he certainly knew that my position in relation to it was the same as the position of the axis in relation to the hand-mill. The flood water flows down from me and the bird cannot fly upto me. I put a curtain against the caliphate and kept myself detached from it. Then I began to think whether I should assault or endure calmly the blinding darkness of tribulations wherein the grown up are made feeble and the young grow old and the true believer acts under strain till he meets Allah (on his death). I found that endurance thereon was wiser. So I adopted patience although there was [Edited Out]ing in the eye and suffocation (of mortification) in the throat. I watched the plundering of my inheritance till the first one went his way but handed over the Caliphate to Ibn al-Khattab after himself......." It's just part of his powerful khutba where he put an end to any misconceptions. No room for thinking that he was ever part of umayyad dynasty. Also, according to the historic events, Imam Ali (a.s) was tortured and forced to submit to Abu Bakr's Caliphate but to no avail. Following excerpt from Ali (a.s)'s reply to the letter of Mua3wiyya (l.a) explains the story: "...You want to impress the world with the idea that I envied all the previous caliphs and that I was jealous of them. Even if I grant this, I want to know what right and authority have you to ask for an explanation from me? You have no place in religion to talk of such things. You also want to taunt me by saying that when I refused to accept the caliphate of the First Caliph I was dragged like a camel with a rope round my neck and every kind of cruelty and humiliation was leveled against me. I swear by my life that by talking like that you want to bring disgrace to me but you are actually doing the greatest service to me and are disgracing yourself as well as the cause that you pretend to support. There is no disgrace for a Muslim if he is subjected to tyranny and suppression so long as he is firm in his faith and belief in Allah and religion. This is exactly what I say that every cruelty and tyranny was leveled against me to deprive me of the right which Allah and the Holy Prophet (s) have given me and this is exactly what you do not want to acknowledge and accept. Your taunts against me go a long way to prove that in reality there was no election, it was a coup d'etat followed by brutal force which decided the fate of caliphate by making it neither hereditary nor elective but possessive..." I hope this explains a lot of things. Thank you, ma3'salam Asad Ali.

786/110 Allahumm-al'3an qatlat'l Fatima Zahra (s.a) ! Salam ala' Sayyedat-un-Nisa' al 3alimeen ! May Allah (swt) curse the enemies of AhlalBayt (a.s).esp. those who tortured Fatima Zahra (s.a) and became the reason of her martyrdom.

786/110 Nice, masha Allah! By the way, is it part of the original "The Path to Kerbala" Movie? thank you!

786/110 Salam! There was this DVD introduced a while ago. "The Path to Kerbala". It was released by Enlightened Awareness Media. http://www.enlightenedawareness.com/ This is the link for that movie: http://www.enlightenedawareness.com/rp.html Following is the Trailer of that Movie: http://www.enlightenedawareness.com/trailer.html Does anyone know where can I buy this DVD? I live in Ohio, USA. I have emailed the people on their website's "Contact Us" list, but to no avail. The website's purchase option shows Paypal, only. I dont know if I Paypal, will anyone ever respond to that purchase, or even collect the money. Thats why I emailed the 4 contacts on the website to see if they can take anyother form of payment, but no replies (more than a week, so far). If anyone has any extra copies to sell or know a place to buy that DVD, I would really appreciate. Jazak-Allah al khair! ma'salam Asad Ali.

786/110 Salam! There was this DVD introduced a while ago. "The Path to Kerbala". It was released by Enlightened Awareness Media. http://www.enlightenedawareness.com/ This is the link for that movie: http://www.enlightenedawareness.com/rp.html Following is the Trailer of that Movie: http://www.enlightenedawareness.com/trailer.html Does anyone know where can I buy this DVD? I live in Ohio, USA. I have emailed the people on their website's "Contact Us" list, but to no avail. The website's purchase option shows Paypal, only. I dont know if I Paypal, will anyone ever respond to that purchase, or even collect the money. Thats why I emailed the 4 contacts on the website to see if they can take anyother form of payment, but no replies (more than a week, so far). If anyone has any extra copies to sell or know a place to buy that DVD, I would really appreciate. Jazak-Allah al khair! ma'salam Asad Ali.

786/110 Salam! Does anyone know if the islamic bookstores in Dearborn, MI have that DVD...Karbala-When Skies Wept Tears? Also, how late these stores are open there? Are they open later than 5-6 pm? I am planning on going to Dearborn, MI soon. I live in OH. Thanks for any help. ma'salam

This is not illogical but hypocrisy. Ask a qadiyani why you do not believe in the finality of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and he will say "Hey who said we do not believe in the finality of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) . There is not Prophet after him." He will give you theories after theories to prove that he belief in the finality of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) but in the same breath they will say that we also believe in Mirza Ghulam Ahmed. Great! Same is the case with you people. Hmm....it means in your religion your aalims give "dubious" fatwas with no clear meaning. The answer to that question is as simple as 1 + 1 = 2 but of course why would he do that which will expose his beliefs. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Read the fatwa in Arbic. English translation can make it lose its originality, The question is about shirk. By definition, shirk means believing in a partner with Allah (swt). If you believe in a partner you are mushrik, if not then no. simple as 1+1. The main stress of the question is on SHIRK, nothing else at all. He replied what he was asked, he does not give any dubious or unnecessary lengthy answers. In a simple answer he told what makes a person mushrik. Thats it. Hope it helps. wa'salam Asad Ali.

Answers: 1: We sure do maatam of Imam Ali (a.s). Wake up brother, Imam Ali (a.s) was not martyred in Moharrum al-hara'm. Imam Ali (a.s) was martyred in month of Ramadan. His matam is held in Ramadan. (19, 20, and 21st Ramadan). Shia's all over the world greive over his martyrdom and do maatam. 2: Hadhrat Hamzah (r.a). We do regard him as a hero in Islamic history. We shun his killers. Hamzah (r.a) was not from AhlulBay't (a.s) and was not ma3'soom. Hamzah (r.a) was not Imam al-3a'sr. Hamzah (r.a) was not killed the way any imam was killed. He was not killed in a condition that some of the ummah of Mohammad (saw) grieved and some cherished. He was not killed by people who believed in Mohammad (saw). This is why we do matam because imam (a.s) were madhloom. 3: We do maatam of Imam Hassan (a.s). Again, not in Moharrum. Imam Hassan (a.s) was martyred in Safar al-Muzaffer. His martyrdom is comemmorated on 28th Safar and all shiaii do his Maatam. 4: We do Maatam for ALL Imams (a.s) who died innocent. You have to look around and see. Maatam of imam Hussein (a.s) is far more exposed and popular, because he was the most madhloom, and his sisters and women were direspected by the people who happened to "follow' religion of his grandfather (saw). 5: Wake up again. Ibne Ziyad, and Shimer mal3oon were Companions of Yazeed. And companionship matters nothing at all. Mu3awiyyah was a companion of Mohammad (saw) but he usurped the khilafa from legal owners and tried to change it to Kingdom system. Uthman bin 3affan (third caliph) was betrayed and killed by his own companions. Companions do not mean that they share same faith and fear of Allah (swt). Hope it was helpful. wa'salam Asad Ali.

786/110 (salam) About the word AhlulBay't: it means people of Household, yes. But, in religious context, it refers to the chosen people of the household of Mohammad (saw). The whole discussion boils down to the ones who claimed to be the ones from AhlulBay't (a.s) and no one challenged their claim. Such people are Mohammad (saw), Syeda Fatima (s.a), Ali-al Murtadha (a.s), their immediate children, including Hassan ibne Ali (a.s), Hussein ibne Ali (a.s), Syeda Zaineb (s.a), Syeda Kulthoom (s.a), and their immediate children, and then the other 9 infallible imams (a.s). Beside them, azwaa'j-e-mutahhira't (wives of Mohammad (saw) were also from his household but they dont fall under the term AhlulBay't (a.s), that we are referring to here. None of the wives of Mohammad (saw) claims that I am the one to who term AhlulBay't refers to. Contrarily, Ali-al Murtadha (a.s) said it numerous times that he is one of those who are ahlulbay't (a.s). Syeda Fatima (s.a) claimed it at number of occasions, Syeda Zaineb (s.a) said it repeatedly to the people and so did Hassnain (a.s) and all imams (a.s). Qura'n said, "innama yureedullahi l'yudhiba 3a'nkum-ur-rijsa' ahlulbayte wa you6ahhirokum ta6heera'" Not every relative of Mohammad (saw) was sinless and 24/7 in pure and 6ahir condition. Only, ones that are mentioned above were and they openly claimed it and all people, friends and/or foes, agreed to it and never questioned it. Thats why Syeda Zained binte Ali (s.a) was called as wa'rith-e-ta6heer". (Queen/heir of Purity), because of her relation to her sinless Mother Fatima Zahra (s.a), and sinless father Ali-al Murtadha (a.s). The others were, undoubtedly, family of Mohammad (saw) but dont count under specific term AhlulBay't (a.s), that above Qura'nic verse mentions. Hope it helps. ma3'salam Asad Ali.

786/110 crazy. lol should be posted in off-topic section, though.

786/110 (salam) Simple english. Allah (swt) is wa7dahu la-shareek. If a person agrees to it and then says that Ali (a.s) has properties (sifaa't) like Allah (swt) ...by Rule, the person is not Mushrik. Let me explain with an example to make it simple. Ali (a.s) was Ra7eem and Rahman, and many people in this world are. But, ali (a.s) and other people cannot be called as Al-Rahman. Hope, you get the difference. You can be Rahman, but not Al-Rahman. Allah (swt) is Al-Aziz. Ali (a.s) can be Aziz. we cannot say he is Al-aziz, al-jabbar. Like, his name Ali. Ali is name of Allah (swt) too. But, we call Allah (swt) Al-Ali. Same with Mohammad (saw). He is Karim, and Ra7eem. We do not say that he is Ar-Raheem. Hope, it helps. Ma3'salam Asad Ali.

786/110 (salam) Have patience brother. You asked a lot of questions. I wish you had searched this forum good before posting a lot of these questions. Majority of these questions have been answered on this forum in older posts. Anyway, we will try to answer your questions and /or refer you to the relevant posts in a timely fashion, insha Allah. I will start answering some of them, and will continue till they are all answered. Imam Ali (a.s) never pledged allegiance to any caliph. You have to read the history. Caliphate was usurped and Ali (a.s) was forced to give ba3'ya, but still he never did. Imam Ali (a.s) was dragged to the court by munafiqeen, like an animal. Read Imam Ali (a.s)'s reply Letter to Mu3a'wiyyah: "....You also want to taunt me by saying that when I refused to accept the caliphate of the First Caliph I was dragged like a camel with a rope round my neck and every kind of cruelty and humiliation was levelled against me. I swear by my life that by talking like that you want to bring disgrace to me but you are actually doing the greatest service to me and are disgracing yourself as well as the cause that you pretend to support. There is no disgrace for a Muslim if he is subjected to tyranny and suppression so long as he is firm in his faith and belief in Allah and religion. This is exactly what I say that every cruelty and tyranny was levelled against me to deprive me of the right which Allah and the Holy Prophet (SA) have given me and this is exactly what you do not want to acknowledge and accept. Your taunts against me go a long way to prove that in reality there was no election, it was a coup d'etat followed by brutal force which decided the fate of caliphate by making it neither hereditary nor elective but possessive. I have no desire to go into these details but you brought in the subject and I was forced to explain a few points about it..." Then Imam Ali (a.s) says in Khutba' al shaqshaqqiyyah: "Beware! By Allah the son of Abu Qahafa (Abu Bakr) dressed himself with it (the caliphate) and he certainly knew that my position in relation to it was the same as the position of the axis in relation to the hand-mill. The flood water flows down from me and the bird cannot fly upto me. I put a curtain against the caliphate and kept myself detached from it. Then I began to think whether I should assault or endure calmly the blinding darkness of tribulations wherein the grown up are made feeble and the young grow old and the true believer acts under strain till he meets Allah (on his death). I found that endurance thereon was wiser. So I adopted patience although there was p.ricking in the eye and suffocation (of mortification) in the throat. I watched the plundering of my inheritance till the first one went his way but handed over the Caliphate to Ibn al-Khattab after himself...." The khutbah continues to reveal the truth, and remember all this is coming from a person who was brought up by Mohammad (saw) himself and raised by him. Its not like Imam Ali (a.s) could not rise and fight. Thats what Ali (a.s) said himself said in his khutbah. A real man and real imam is not one who is ready to show his physical strength, but one who knows what is the best thing to do and when. By God, when Ali (a.s) was left with no choice but to fight, he did fought. Following will give you the answers. "...I put a curtain against the caliphate and kept myself detached from it. Then I began to think whether I should assault or endure calmly the blinding darkness of tribulations wherein the grown up are made feeble and the young grow old and the true believer acts under strain till he meets Allah (on his death). I found that endurance thereon was wiser. So I adopted patience although there was p.ricking in the eye and suffocation (of mortification) in the throat. I watched the plundering of my inheritance till the first one went his way but handed over the Caliphate to Ibn al-Khattab after himself. (Then Hazrat Ali quoted al-A'sha's verse): My days are now passed on the camel's back (in difficulty) while there were days (of ease) when I enjoyed the company of Jabir's brother Hayyan. It is strange that during his lifetime he (Abu Bakr) wished to be released from the caliphate but he confirmed it for the other one (Umar) after his death. No doubt these two shared its udders strictly among themselves. This one put the Caliphate in a tough enclosure where the utterance was haughty and the touch was rough. Mistakes were in plenty and so also the excuses therefore. One in contact with it was like the rider of an unruly camel. If he pulled up its rein the very nostril would be slit, but if he let it loose he would be thrown. Consequently, by Allah people got involved in recklessness, wickedness, unsteadiness and deviation. Nevertheless, I remained patient despite length of period and stiffness of trial, till when he went his way (of death) he put the matter (of Caliphate) in a group and regarded me to be one of them. But good Heavens! what had I to do with this "consultation"? Where was any doubt about me with regard to the first of them that I was now considered akin to these ones? But I remained low when they were low and flew high when they flew high. One of them turned against me because of his hatred and the other got inclined the other way due to his in-law relationship and this thing and that thing, till the third man of these people stood up with heaving breasts between his dung and fodder. With him his children of his grand-father, (Umayyah) also stood up swallowing up Allah's wealth like a camel devouring the foliage of spring, till his rope broke down, his actions finished him and his gluttony brought him down prostrate. At that moment, nothing took me by surprise, but the crowd of people rushing to me. It advanced towards me from every side like the mane of the hyena so much so that Hasan and Husain were getting crushed and both the ends of my shoulder garment were torn. They collected around me like the herd of sheep and goats..." [imam Ali (a.s); Khutbah al-shiqshiqqiyyah]. When Ali (a.s) saw that it was time to fight and no option was left, he wrote to Mu3a'wiyyah, "...Then you have tried to frighten me by saying that there is nothing with you for me and my companions but your sword. Well, Muawiyah! This makes even a weeping person laugh at your words! When did you find the sons of Abdul Muttalib (the grandfather of the Holy Prophet (SA) and Imam Ali) timid in facing their enemies or getting afraid of brandishing swords?? "Wait a little till Hamal joins the battle shortly!" Just wait a little, you will in the near future have to face the attack of a brave soldier. He will shortly invite you for the encounter you are desiring for. The thing which you apparently wish for is not as far away as you imagine it to be. I am coming towards you with an army of Muhajirs, Ansar and those companions who have sincere faith in me. Theirs is a powerful congregation. Their movements will raise huge clouds of dust (indicating the strength of the army). They are prepared to die or to kill. They believe that the best that could happen to the is to receive the Blessings of the Lord by their good deeds. Sons of those warriors who routed your clan in the Battle of Badr is with them. The swords of Bani Hashim are with them. And you have already realized the sharpness of these swords when your brother, your maternal uncle, your grandfather and kinsmen were killed (those people were killed by Imam Ali (as) in the battles of Badr and Uhud). These swords are now nearing the despots who have tyrannized the Muslim world. "...Nor is it far off from the unjust" (Quran, 11:83)" Lets move onto next: Answer is above, already written. Ahlulbay't (a.s) detached themselves from khilafa' but did not pledge allegiance to any munaafiq. Their decision to fight or endure were based on divine knowledge. As Ali (a.s) said in his letter to Mua3'wiyyah, bani hashim was never afraid to counter any enemies throughout the course of history. When it was necessary to go to war for sake of Islam, we see that Ahlulbay't (a.s) did not shy away from war. Hussein b. Ali (a.s) fought against the armies of Yazid (l.a) and proved that Ahlulbay't (a.s) will never compromise at the cost of Islam. Next issue, now: Now, this last verse of Qura'n quoted by you, yourself, shows that munaa'fiqeen are shunned by Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì. So, when we shun such "muslims" we are not deviating from Islam. Mohammad (saw) himself warned people about his Sa7'aba that many of them will change after his demise, and thats what precisely happened. Mohammad (saw) further said that he wont be responsible for any muslims like them. So, when we detach ourselves or shun those people, we are not cursing true as7'aab-e-Rasool (saw), we are only targetting munafiqeen. Qura'n shuns them and Rasool (saw) shuns them. We are following Qura'n and sunnah, i.e. we are following Islam. We do not shun as7'aab. We do not reject (astaghfirullah) Abu Dhar (r.a), Salman Farsi (r.a), or Ammar Yasser (r.a), and likes of them. We respect them and eulogize them. This answers your question regarding, So, you see we do not accuse as7aa'b-e-Mohammad (saw). We expose those whom Mohammad (saw) has warned us about. Please, explain this point. I don't remember any shiaii (ithna ashari) claiming this. Actually, i dont know any muslim saying this other than alawis. Try not to generalize when talking about something so crucial like Religion. Next issue: Yes, indeed Malik and Abu Hanifa were students of Imam Ja'fer al-sadiq (a.s). So, tell me now. Who knows more: Imam Ja'fer (a.s)? or his students? If you recall thats why shiaii sect is usually called as Fiqh Ja'feriyyah, fiqh taken from the teachings of Imam al-Ja'fer (a.s). We follow the direct source. We do not follow people who learned from Imam (a.s) and then broke up from him and established sect of Islam based on what knowledge they had received. Its amazing how can we neglect the source, the teacher, and be content by following the students. I believe it is good for now. I will answer rest and more as the time allows me. Hope this was helpful. Thank you for asking. ma3'salam Asad Ali.