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  1. Salaams Khaleed lol - so its not about the shedding of the Muslim blood since that would rule out Saladin too well atleast by Islamic standards. So its really about power and control over the Holy Land especially by an entity that appears outwardly Muslim. And you are wrong about the first point. The 2 points are interconnected. But to answer your question about Templars fighting Muslims, its important to understand the following 1 - The Templars have been subject to a robust Revisionist drive. The same cannot be said about the Franks or Hospitallers or Teutonics. So there must be a good reason. 2 - The reason for the above is that the Templars have 2 histories. One is Middle Eastern and one is European. Whilst the Middle East history tends to portray them as cold blooded killers, the presenty European Reviosionist drive portrays them more as Gnostics and dare i say even Sufis according to a small range of Scholars/Historians. 3 - What is predominatly said about the Templars is not said by the Templars. Its said on behalf of them since there are no written works by the Templars. But that does not mean they didnt speak. Indeed they did speak. Thus the 2 histories appear quite incompatible and thus it necessiates the need for Templar Revisionism and consistent behavioral patterns between their Middle Eastern History and European one. Christopher Tyerman, a fellow in History at Hertford College, Oxford and a veteran of several treatise on the Crusades has written an aptly titled "God's War - A NEW History of the Crusades" (Book Link), a mammoth 1000 page treatise including exhaustive bibliographies and index in which he notes: All historical investigations remain cotingent on suriving evidence. One of the regular temptations seducing historians and their audience is to imagine knowledge of the past. Most has been lost, by nature, accident or design. The muddle of existence is simplified both by the historians' craft, which is at root that of selection, and by the gaps in evidence. To illustrate the tenious links that inform our knowledge. two of the most vivid, full and important contemporary narratives of the Second Crusades(1146-1148) survive in a single manuscript each. Without them, our view of that remarkable event would be entirely different. Most of the evidence that once existed for the history of the Crusades is lost. Conversely, what does survive inevitably favours certain perspectives over others for which less evidence has survived. The story of the most familiar episode of all, The First Crusade and the the conquest of Jerusalem (1095-9), is based on a remarkably narrow 12th Century historiographical tradition whch may, but equally may not, reveal what was of greater or lesser importance at the time. Thus any modern historical account can only be to some degree tentative. If the requirement of the narrative obscure the delicacy of the interpretive choices reached here, this is no way suggests that they were easy, simple straightforward, necessarily incontrovertible or even conclusive. They merely represent what the author, to the best of his understanding, now thinks. Source: God's War: A New History of the Crusades vy Christophet Tyerman pb XV (preface). Thats why Khaleed, I prefer a balance between European History and Middle East History to illustrate a consistent behavioral pattern. I personaly dont care if the wahaabis were asleep on this issue or whether the shia ismaili wrote a particularly hostile version provided that they wrote did not and does not match with the European version. The key to all of this is IF the Templars spoke on their behalf. And thats they key to any interpretive value. And whatever they spoke in the Middle East is what they should have spoken in Europe as well. They ofcourse did not speak thru words but spoke by way of action. And the one example that I did give you was the example of the Dome of the Rock. At no point has this place been desecrated or desanctified by the Templars. On the contrary they went out of their eway to censure any Christian miscreant. And how does the sanctity of the Dome of the Rock balance with European history? Well read this: The original convent was a 16-sided polygon, based on the design of the Temple of the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem and the outer walls of the Convento de Cristo are a mirror image of a stellar constellation, with the Charola or Rotunda (an inner octagonal church modelled on the Holy Sepulchre) taking Orion's position. http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/C...Order-of-Christ This so called "convent" was built in 1160. Christians also knew nothing abotu astronomy. Saladin re-captured Jerusalem in 1187. This is whopping 30 year gap between the European structure copied from the Dome of the Rock. Are you sure that Knights Templar are Muslim killers? Or was this about Power and Greed? Salaams
  2. oh there is no doubt that India is behind this conspiracy. You can tell by the evolution of the story vis-a-vis the alleged culprits. First it was the Deccan Mujahideen, then the Brit Pakis and then it was an ISI Plot coupled by the fact that India doesnt want to subject any of its myriad of allegations to independent scrutiny proves that that they want to quaterback this evil game and are quite complicit. The question here is not whether India is indeed complicit but more importantly which India is complicit? The Congress India or BJP/RSS/VHP India? And is Congress therefore just attempting to mask the real issue?
  3. Salaams Khaled Um the Covenant involves a particular bloodline and a very fixed number of people. One can ill afford to accommodate anyone outside the loop of the Covenant for instance the first 3 caliphs. The second aspect of the Covenant is not just subservience to the Covenanted but obedience to their guidance and no one elses, If it shows that they were Islamic, then surely the Battle between them and Saladin was an Islamic affair. And if so, was the battle a shia sunni one? Secondly, is Saladin innocent from shedding Muslim blood? Salaams
  4. Yeah if the intent of the well organised attack was to confuse and lie. Here is an exceptionaly excellent link that takes a brief quotes from an array of Indian and Western sources: LINK
  5. salaams and thank you for your questions: 1 - No chance for them being Sunni at all. KT core values were comprised of 3 things namley a holy bloodline, a sacred feminine all encompassed as the Ark of the Covenant which numbered 14. Sunnism values the Holy Bloodline and the Covenant upto the Prophet but not beyond him. Shi'ism continues the Holy Bloodline philosophy beyond the Prophet as instrincic to the equation of the Post prophet Covenant: 9:8 How (can there be such a league), seeing that if they get an advantage over you, they respect not in you the ties either of kinship or of covenant? With (fair words from) their mouths they entice you, but their hearts are averse from you; and m ost of them are rebellious and wicked. 9:10 In a Believer they respect not the ties either of kinship or of covenant! It is they who have transgressed all bounds. 2 - Thats a tricky question. It depends who wrote what on this issue. I would like to give you one practicel example but before i do, its important for you to know that the KT were officially founded AFTER Jerusalem fell to the Crusaders and the fall occured in 1099. It is also said that once Jerusalem fell to the Crusaders, the Knights formed and headed to the Holy Land. But for what purpose? Now this is where conflicting histories come into play and I would like to demonstrate that: Version 1 In 1108,a small group of knights who called themselves The Poor Fellow Soldiers of Jesus Christ presented themsleves to the King of Jerusalem. They offered to act as a kind of a police force in the Crusader states, protecting the pilgrims, who were unarmed from marauding Muslim (1) Here the Military Monks were doing 2 things. First, they were rooting Christianity physically and powerfully in the Holy Land. Second, by colonizing the frontiers, these new military monks were performing, and taking to its logical conclusion, a function that monks had been fulfilling in Europe for years. These monks were pushing aggresively against the Frontiers of Islam and were in the front line of the Holy War. (2) Refs: 1 - Holy War - The Crusades and their impact on today's world - By Karen Armstrong - Pg 185 2 - Ibid - Pg 186 Version 2 comprising of several quotes completely contradict Karen Armstrong's version: In public pronouncements they (Templars) had declared that their mission in the Holy Land was to keep the road from the coast to Jerusalem free from bandits. I could find no evidence , however, to suggest that they took any steps to fulfil this mission during those first 7 years of their existence; on the contrary as one authority puts it, "the New Order did very little in this period." Besides, simple logic suggested that 9 men could have hradly protected anybody on a highway almost 50 miles long. I could only conclude, therefore, that Hugues De Payens and his colleagues must have had some other, undeclared purpose. They largely confined themselves to the precints of the Temple Mount during the first 7 years of their sojourn in Jerusalem - and this suggested very strongly that their real motive must have had to do with that very special site. (3) One story recorded in the annals of crusader kingdom of Jerusalem tells of a young Frankish Knight entering the Dome of the Rock and being met by a Muslim praying towards Mecca. Losing his temper, he intimated the follower of Islam that he was praying the wrong way. The Frankish Knight then found himself taken to task by 2 Templar Knights and told him not to come back till he had learned both manners and tolerance. (4) The fact that is that the Order of the Templars, certainly in the Middle East, was only Christian as an alaternative to being Islamic. It (Templar Order) was fundamentally Islamic in both essence and practice. Moreover, the Islamic hierarchy of neither Mecca or Cairo made any military or verbal move to prevent the Templars taking over charge of the Dome of the Rock, the second most holy site of Islam and the Al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem. The reason for their lack of enthusiasm to fight the Templars was simply because the contemporary Islamic records refer to the oder of Knights Templar of Islam. Christians they may have claimed to be, but this was merely a ploy to keep both the Orthiodox and Catholic Churches out of the Mosque, out of the Dome of the Rock, so that their true brothers could go on worshipping God while praying towards Mecca. (5) Refs: 3 - The Sign and The Seal - by Graham Hancock - Pgs 93/94 This view is also supported by The Second Messiah by Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas - pg 28/29 4 - The Knights Templar of the Middle East - by HRH Prince Michael of Albany and Walid Amine Salhab - pg 74 5 - Ibid - pg 75 As you can see the history on Templars is vastly conflicting. So when I doing research on the Islamic Hawala system and Templar banking model and read this: http://www.lagunajournal.com/economic.htm They teach from child hood in Islamic schools (madrasa’s) that the Templars, not the Rothschilds founded the first international banking system around 1100 A.D. in Jerusalem. It doesnt surprise me at all. Rest assured, the Templars are an enigma. I for one am utterly gob smacked. Salaams
  6. lol - They always overlook their own indiscretions and focus on anything thats anti Islamic. its their job to say something awfully ridiculous to extract a negative comment. Just ignore them. Trust me, its the best solution. salaams
  7. The terrorists looked like Hindus and "no Pakistani speaks the language they chatted in," said security expert Zaid Hamid on the television's "I Differ" news channel show. http://thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=9768 If this can be confirmed, then its a good starting place
  8. Outside the testimony of the Indian Govt, what is the evidence of this alleged torture? On the contrary, it is said that these the same house had ordered 100 kilos of meat and booze just earlier.
  9. oh my this is too cryptic for me. could you be just a wee but literal?
  10. Your source states that the Ark was passed on from Prophet to Prophet. So my question to you is how many Prophets and which was the last Prophet? In this way we will Inshallah come to know if its with Allah. lol - pardon me for finding some humour in this statement. Would you like to rephrase it. I would find it physically impossible for an entity not to be christian and yet helped spread christianity. So can we eliminate the pagan argument since you are trying to connect Rosslyn with Christianity. Oh Rosslyn is definetly Templar. Yes i know there are disputes whether the builder William St Clair himself was a Templar or not but the key to knowing its Templar identity is the symbols therein. For instance did you know that Rosslyn contains some Islamic/Arabic art? Also, I dont have this book but I have just ordered it. Take a sneak preview into what the author believes the magnitude of Rosslyn actually is: http://www.bravepen.com/rosslyn/articles/strange.php And also check this link out. Its about the authors of Rosslyn Revealed and their fascination with Rosslyn: http://heritage.scotsman.com/rosslynchapel...ight.2822004.jp Thats odd. You havent made one connection at all. Rosslyn hasnt any christian value at all. I can quote scholars if you like. How many of the Templar sites have you researched? Because therein lies the answer. If you can show me consistency in its Christain aesthetics between all the sites, I am sold. Salaams EDIT Sorry, you asked me why didnt they spread Shia Islam at all. Well the Crusades and the Reconquista were on at the time. It was difficult for a Muslim in Europe as they were being driven out from every possible country. So to spread Shia Islam so openly would have been futile. But that said, they introduced Islam to Europe in a different way. For instance did you know that Templars introduced banking in Europe. Did you also know that their banking system was based on the Islamic Hawala? Did you know that all their sites have value with Astronomy. Did you know they aquainted themselves with Astronomy on Islamic principles? Here is one link you might find interesting: http://rochester92.newsvine.com/_news/2007...aphomet-updated
  11. some good points made here. what about the terrorists families. I am told Muslims dont want to bury these guys but isnt that the responsibility of the family? So do they have any?
  12. Salaams Ofcourse there is. I believe one of the greatest Islamic Love Story is Nabi Sulayman and Queen Sheba/Bilkis. He had her totally spellbound. Being in love is a great great feeling as long as its Islamically centred. But you have to make sure that your core values are as halaal as possible and yes your love will be tested. If your core values are Islamically sustainable, you will Inshallah overcome all the obstacles. If not, the love will wither and die. And yes it happens. salaams
  13. Aint free speech wonderful....lol Sleepy village baffled by link to captured terrorist A sleepy village in Pakistan has found itself at the centre of the Mumbai terror plot, leaving locals bewildered. Faridkot, a settlement in the south of the Punjab province, has been overrun by Pakistani intelligence agents and police for the past three days after it was reported by Indian officials that the lone gunman captured alive in Mumbai came from a place called Faridkot. Agents from Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) were still questioning locals yesterday. "All the agencies have been here and the (police) special branch," said village elder Mehboob Khan Daha. "We have become very worried. What's this all about?" A dusty backwater, the inhabitants are peasant farmers who own small parcels of land and are poorly educated. Water buffalo and goats roam the dirt tracks of the village. Men sit around gossiping on traditional woven rope beds, placed out in the open, wearing the usual baggy shalwar kameez pyjama suits, some with turbans. Roughly built small brick homes and little mud huts are dotted around the village, which has a population of about 3,000. It is 34 miles east from the nearest large city, Multan. "There are no jihadis here," said Ijaz Ahmed, 41. "I can think of maybe 10 or 20 people here who have even been as far as Multan." The Faridkot link is a key plank of India's accusations against Pakistan. The captured gunman, variously named as Ajmal Amir Kamal, Azam Amir Kasav or Azam Ameer Qasab, is said to come from Faridkot, which is described as being near Multan. He is said to speak fluent English and a clear photograph of him shows a young man in western clothes. Shown a picture of the alleged militant, Daha said: "That's a smart-looking boy. We don't have that sort around here." In Faridkot, no one appeared to be able to speak much English; most could only converse in a dialect of the provincial language. None of the villagers recognised the face in the photograph. They said the intelligence agents wanted to know if there was any presence of the radical Deobandi or Al-Hadith religious movements in the village, to which they were told "no". The agents mentioned five names, villagers said, including Ajmal, Amir, Kamal and Azam, all common names in Pakistan. There were five Ajmals in the village, all present except one who is living in provincial capital Lahore, and none fitted the description of the militant. The Azam in the village is a 75-year-old retired railway worker. One of the Ajmals, a man who thought he was about 30, has worked in a nearby tea factory for the past 12 years, he said. The police and intelligence agencies have been asking his whereabouts. "All I ever do is go to work, which is about 3km away. I have never been beyond Kanewal (the closest town)," said Muhammad Ajmal. "I'm uneducated." Faridkot lies in a part of Punjab known for extremist activity but the village itself did not show any signs of being a hotbed of militancy. Written on a board at the entrance to the village mosque, it is declared that members of the hardline Tablighi Jamaat "are not permitted". http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/0...gunman-faridkot
  14. Imam Ali's own words on Fadak in Nahjul Balagha Letter 45 - Verily, under the sky we had only Fadak as our personal property but we were deprived of it, it tempted them, they took it by force and we had to bear the wrench patiently and cheerfully, the best judge is the Lord Almighty. http://www.al-islam.org/nahjul/letters/letter45.htm#letter45
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