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  1. Salaam bro, long time. how you been?

  2. I was snooping around your profile and noticed that not many people had left a comment so I felt sorry for you and left one.

  3. can't blame you for not posting on IF. I can also be found at Islam In View forum if you have the inclination. Cheers...

  4. Whats pure rational Islam?

  5. ^^No I'm done with you. The truth has been given to you, it is your choice to accept it or not FYI the Quran does NOT approve any of the barbarism in the OT; because this is saying of the Jewish scribes, not Moses (pbuh). The reason I don't wish to bother is because its obvious you are getting your info from the refuted liars of answering-islam. So far all you have shown me is an ability to do good copy and paste jobs. And if that was the game I wanted to play, I could just as well go to answering-christianity or internet-infidels (both of which do a great job of absolutely refuting christianity beyond the shadow of a doubt) and do the same. This is my last post to you. Good day!
  6. Agreed. That is your ignorance and stupidity talking, not authetic history. Hint: learn muslim history from muslims not liars of sites like answering-islam Like I said, this is your ignorance and stupidity talking, not authentic history. because you are so utterly ignorant both about your own religion and mine, I'm gonna have to break my previous creed and do it the hard way. This post is a bit long, but will help you understand what is necessary when analyzing historical events, something called context. The Jews of Medina were waiting for their messiah/savior to come, who would give them total dominion on a land where many of them lost their lives due to coalition attacks from the Aws, Khazraj and Christians of al Sham who viewed them a Jesus' crucifiers. When Muhammad(sas) arrived at Medina after the Hijra, acclaimed by the people as the Messenger of God, they came to him to inquire about his motives. "I call men to bear witness that there is no god but Allah and that I am the Apostle of Allah, whom you find described in the Torah and of whom your own learned men have already informed you" he told them. After hearing what he had to say, they offered a truce with the Messenger on a written agreement that they would not support anyone against him or his Companions, be it with the tongue,hand,or arms, neither openly nor in secret. They agreed with him that in return "you (Muhammad) shall neither trouble us, nor anyone of our coreligionists until we see how it shall be with you and your people". The Prophet and the whole Muslim community lived in peace with them but the bitterness towards him grew as it implied Prophethood had ceased to be in the progeny of Isaac and had instead been established in the line of Ishmael. A bitterness which would greatly increase with the conversion of their Rabbi Abdullah ibn Salam and his household. This would lead to a war of words between the 2 communities. The Jews would send some of their rabbis fainting conversion and engaging in debates with the Prophet in front of the Muslims in order to create doubts 25:33"And they shall not bring to you any argument, but We have brought to you (one) with truth and best in significance". They would try causing dissensions among the former ennemies of Aws and Khazraj, now united under the banner of Islam, by arousing memories of the day of the Bu'ath war when al Aws vanquished al Khazraj. But Muhammad continued to talk to them, emphasizing their Islamic unity and brotherhood until their tears ran down in emotion and they embraced one another. The Quran reminds of this tension in 2:87-89. In the particular environment in which the Quran was revealed, there were at least two groups who believed that they were the chosen ones of God. The Quraysh who did not understand why, if Muhammad's prophethood was true, didnt God send His message to the noblest among them and the Jews who maintained that if God had chosen them to be the leaders over others during the past many centuries, then how could anyone -- especially the poor and the homeless -- surpass them in this case. It is primarily as a reply to such idiosyncrasies of the two groups that the Quran has stressed that no one has a monopoly over God�s guidance. The first victorious battles silenced the plotting in Medina of many hypocrites among the Muslims, the idolator spies, and the Jews. Especially after the success at Badr which made them feel that their position was degenerating into one of weakness and isolation. Only 2 years after his migration, the Prophet of God had managed to brake the traditional pattern of power distribution in the desert. The ennemies of Islam would meet clandestinely and encourage the composition and recitation of divisive poetry. Now the dispute was not over Muhammad's religious views but over his political power which grew tremendously after the victory of Badr. Addidng to the constant plotting, street fights would errupt between the 2 communities, the worst one being caused by the public humiliation of a Muslim woman by a group of Jews from the Bani Qainuqa which resulted in deaths from both sides. The Prophet urged them to honor their initial agreement, to which they responded with arrogance. This led to the expulsion of the whole tribe from Medina. After Badr, Abu Sufyan had vowed revenge against the Muslims he swore not to wash himself unless he killed the Prophet of God. He went by night to Medina to plot with the Jews of Banu Nadir and launched a small raid on the outskirts of Medina and managed to kill a few Muslims. Followed an incident which caused the accidental bloodshed of innocents, so the Prophet went to all notables of Medina, including Huyayy ibn Akhtab of Bani Nadir, asking for the payment of the diyat(blood money). He immediately sensed danger after entering the quarter of Bani Nadir, so he pretexted a call from nature and left, leaving his Companions knowing for sure they wouldnt be harmed as long as the Prophet was alive. On his way, he met a group of people called by Huyayy to help him in setting a trap to the Prophet in his quarters. Huyayy heard of the encounter, as well as the Prophet's knowledge concerning his intentions so the Muslims got up and left quickly for their homes. Ibn Surya, the most learned man from the Banu Nadir knew that after such an incident Muhammad would only offer 2 options: convert, or leave at once as a result of their braking the agreement. They were given 10 days to decide, and they preferred leaving after attempting a useless resistance. The decision to allow them to emigrate and take most of their possessions with them without harm would have grave consequences later, against the Muslims. At this point started one of the most bizarre twists in the history of monotheism vs polytheism. Muslims felt they had to develop a system of control and security which would protect them from all sides as they weren�t even secure within the city. This prevented their engagement in agriculture or commerce which was balanced with the booty acquired through the military campaigns. Fearing enemy attacks at any moment, the Prophet organized a channel of communication throughout the Arabian Peninsula which was at the time composed of a complex net of autonomous little republics, each of which extended over the territory inhabited or used by its various clans, and depended for its security on an intricate system of intertribal customs, pacts, and traditions. The Muslims had to keep steadfast from all these groups awaiting the opportunity to avenge itself on this man who had divided the Arabs in their religion, and, though emigrating from Mecca devoid of power or ally, had acquired, within the last five years by virtue of his great faith, such prestige and power as to make him a real threat to the strongest cities and tribes of Arabia. The animosity against Muhammad was such that the Jews turned against their own religion and their own Semite brethren's pure call to monotheism and preffered allying with the paganism which Moses and other biblical prophets fought. Even the pagan Quraysh were hesitant to form an alliance with the Jews, who were so close to Islam. They answered their concerns by giving preference to the Meccan religions. It was to this that the Quran referred in 4:51-54 "Have you not seen those to whom a portion of the Book has been given? They believe in idols and false deities and say of those who disbelieve: These are better guided in the path than those who believe. Those are they whom Allah has cursed, and whomever Allah curses you shall not find any helper for him. Or have they a share in the kingdom? But then they would not give to people even the speck in the date stone. Or do they envy the people for what Allah has given them of His grace? But indeed We have given to Ibrahim's children the Book and the wisdom, and We have given them a grand kingdom.So of them is he who believes in him, and of them is he who turns away from him, and hell is sufficient to burn." This attitude of the Jews toward Quraysh and their favoring of the latter's paganism over the monotheism of Muhammad was the subject of a severe rebuke by Dr. Israel Wolfenson in his "The Jews in Arabia" and is in sharp contrast with the attitude of the Christian Negus of Abyssinia who sheltered and protected the early days persecuted Muslims of Mecca. This self-contradiction, this favoring of paganism over monotheism and the encouragement of pagan forces to rise against the monotheistic forces would reach its peak in the Month of Shawwal 5/626 when the Jewish leaders of Bani Nadir and Qainuqa joined men of the Quraysh (promising them a whole year's crop from their settlement of Khaybar in case of victory), Kinanah and Ghatafan tribes among others and went to Abu Sufyan and others of the chiefs of Quraysh to call them to wage war against the Muslims who were struck with panic when news of the huge coalition of almost all tribes of the Arabian Peninsula (enemies & allies alike) was preparing to attack Medina. The Prophet consulted with Salman the Persian, and decided to dig a trench in preparation. All Muslims were put at task, including the Prophet who worked with his hands alongside his companions lifting the dirt, encouraging the Muslim workers, and exhorting everyone to multiply his effort. The women and children were removed to the interior and placed within fortified walls. The battle known as Battle of the Trench/Ditch/Confederates or al-Khandaq/Ahzab started. When the Confederate armies showed up, the Muslims were troubled by their large number and retreated behind their trench for 20 days only exchanging stones and arrows with the enemy. The Muslims survived on their food reserves as well as the continuous supply of crops from the Jews of Banu Qurayzah who had stayed truthful to their covenant with Muhammad, within Medina. The difficulty of overcoming the innovative trench fighting was such that the enemy forces had no choice but to cut the Muslim food supply which was mainly coming from the Banu Qurayzah, for a general withdrawal would render such a future coalition almost impossible. Huyayy ibn Akhtab, the Jewish leader among the pagan forces decided to go find Ka'b, chief of the Banu Qurayzah and convince him of reversing against the Muslims. At first Ka'b would not receive him, knowing well that treason might bring some advantages in case of Muslim defeat but that it would provide the cause for extermination in case of Muslim victory. Huyayy appeased his fears by describing the extent of the pagan forces and their desire to exterminate the Muslims once and for all but Ka'b still hesitated, remembering Muhammad's loyalty to his covenant. After many talks, and a pledge from Huyayy that he would stand by his brothers of Banu Qurayzah in case of defeat followed by sanctions, Ka'b's Jewish feeling stirred, moving him to yield to Huyayy, to accept his demands, to repudiate his covenant with Muhammad and the Muslims, and to join the ranks of their pagan enemies. This betrayal shook the Prophet greatly as well as the rest of the Muslims, so he sent his companion Sa'd ibn Mu'adh, leader of the Aws and close ally to Banu Qurayzah to confirm the bad news, which he did. With the last Jews joining the pagan ranks, cutting the food supply and threatening the Muslims from within, the pagan forces had their moral uplifted. They prepared an invasion from 3 fronts and it was with reference to this deployment of enemy forces that the Quran said: 33:10-13"When they came upon you from above you and from below you, and when the eyes turned dull, and the hearts rose up to the throats, and you began to think diverse thoughts of Allah. There the believers were tried and they were shaken with severe shaking. And when the hypocrites and those in whose hearts was a disease began to say: Allah and His Messenger did not promise us (victory) but only to deceive.And when a party of them said: O people of Yathrib! There is no place to stand for you (here), therefore go back; and a party of them asked permission of the prophet, saying. Surely our houses are exposed; and they were not exposed; they only desired to fly away". They managed to find a breach in the narrowest side of the trench and engulfed their men inside but all got slain by Imam Ali and his group. And victory came a little later, with the help of God Who turned the weather against the enemy, with strong winds carrying small rocks instinguishing all night fires, blowing away their tents and weapons, forced the polytheists to shield themselves and finally retreat. 33:9"O you who believe! call to mind the favor of Allah to you when there came down upon you hosts, so We sent against them a strong wind and hosts, that you saw not, and Allah is Seeing what you do". The Muslims went back next morning to Medina, joyful of their victory against the rejecters of faith and immediately besieged the traitors of Bani Qurayza for 25 days without fighting until they surrendered and asked to be judged by the Awsite Sa'd ibn Mu'adh, who was their former protector. They thought that because of their former alliance with him, he would show leniency so they promised to willingly accept his decision. He judged them according to their law, which is death of all fighting men, enslavement of women and children and confiscation of their livestock (Deut20:10-15). He imposed this judgment just before the wound which he had suffered in his arm suddenly opened and the blood continued to gush out until he died. All fighting men were slain, the women and children taken as captives, their lands distributed to the Muslims immigrating to Medina and their wealth shared among all Muslims with one-fifth for public purposes. Now if you want some info on how the Muslims treated the captives and prisoners of wars I can give you some explanations, but for a start it has nothing to do with Moses' alleged genocide of entire nations or Psalms' dashing of infants against rocks. Like I said the barbarism of christians and jewish history has no parallel in Islamic history.
  7. The muslims of ancient arabic gave jews and christians permission to run their affairs as they saw fit. It was precisely this freedom that islam granted them, that led to the strife because it was a Jewish judge who issued the massacre, so please get a clue about history. I can post a long article that debunks any claims of responsibility that ancient muslims may have had in this massacre, but I don't want to take this thread off topic. Once again, you are free to compare that with Jewish history of the OT which you as a christian take as doctrine; like the parts with Moses' alleged genocide of entire nations or Psalms' dashing of infants against rocks, a butchery that has absolutely no comparison in muslim history. Two whole continents have had their civilizations wiped out by christians. It was christian Europe that conquered the whole world. And it was christian countries that began both World Wars. Like I said, don't be clueless on history
  8. Dude you can google everything I typed and check for yourself where I "copied and pasted" anything from. Everything I posted is my own readings into the Bible. I have read every christian apologetic attempt to explain what really just can't be explained. I am not bashing anyone's religion. You simply made a childish statement about Paul and I corrected you. I'm sorry if it upsets you, but truth is truth. Paul is the founder of modern Christianity, not Jesus (pbuh). Had Christianity continued to remains in the hands of Peter and James, than there wouldn't have been a need for God to send islam in the world in the first place to correct the corruption that came at the hands of Rome and Constantine of Jesus' (pbuh) message. And yes you were wrong. Jesus (pbuh) himself in your gospels says he only came for the "lost sheep of Israel". Will you blame me for simply quoting your Bible which you obviously don't read. And you were wrong about Muhammed (pbuh) as well, he wasn't for the arabs, and actually the Quran curses the corruptions amongst the arabs. Muhammed (pbuh) is called a blessing for the worlds, so yes he was a prophet for all of mankind, not just the arabs as you said And correct me if I am wrong, why exactly are you here on muslim forum. Clearly your intention is to convert my fellow co-religionists to Pauline Christianity. I'm sorry but islam is the only was for us, and above I have just explained a fraction of the reasons why Pauline Christianity isn't. Sorry quite the proselytizing, because nobody here is interested. There are thousands of born christians in North America and Europe who are walking away from Christianity. Rather than proselytizing those who aren't interested, I suggest you focus your efforts on those who are leaving Christianity, for you may be more successful with them.
  9. Why don't you bother reading my post and refutations in it, then playing the oppression card. Its kinda obvious you have no real answer to my criticism, because you don't read your Bible. I am only educating you on the authentic message of Jesus (pbuh). Truth hurts, but when you realize the falsehood Paul taught, realize that he wasn't even a real apostle, and realize that Jesus' (pbuh) true successors were James and Peter, and not Paul and the Roman government behind him, then indeed the world today will make sense to you. I have responsibility to spread the TRUTH of Jesus (pbuh); especially when falsehoods are being propagated under his name. See I actually read my Bible, hence why I know so much. I suggest you do the same. Most christians today don't read their Bibles and see the truth for themselves, instead they hide behind their apologists and preachers and the false doctrines they advocate Try reading books by Elaine Pagels if you want a glimpse what authentic Christianity really was
  10. YEAH a baptist site. lol The whole Indonesia thing you posted requires context. I am fully aware of the tactics employed by missionaries in that country as well. I have talked to quite muslims who have encountered them. I'll say one thing, if any muslim population did the same in Europe of the Americas there would be a global uproar. Handing out flyers to children, offering economic support to the poor and desperate in exchange for conversion, outright lieing about muslim history and producing false translation of the Quran, the list goes on and on. But ahmadullilah from what I hear the muslims are doing good in pushing back the missionary effort. I would suggest ya all stick with preaching to the ever escalating number of people leaving Christianity all over Europe and North America, than third world countries offering support to the desperate and poor in exchange for conversion. Paul ADMITTED, in plain Greek, that he was a liar. Romans 3:7--8 But if through my falsehood God's truthfulness abounds to His glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner? And why not do evil that good may come, as some people slanderously charge us with saying? Their condemnation is just. A "falsehood" is a LIE. Paul is saying "If I LIE for God, why am I being condemned?" Well, DUH, Paul was being condemned because he is a self-admitted LIAR. Here's some more -- I Corinthians 9:20--23 To the Jews I [Paul] became a Jew, in order to win Jews; to those under the law, I became as one under the law, that I might win those under the law. To those outside the law I became as one outside the law�that I might win those outside the law. To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. I do it all for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings. Here he's changing his image and message to suit the audience, rather than giving a single truthful message. II Corinthians 12:16 But granting that I myself did not burden you, I was crafty, you say, and got the better of you by guile. "Guile" is deceit and deception, also known as LYING. Philippians 1:18 What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed, and in that I rejoice. The opposite of "truth" is "falsehood", which is also known as LYING. Or you could read Acts where the real apostles explain to Paul that he is to stop teaching false doctrine. Or you could read this: Rom 3:7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? Because you're a liar? Because lying about God doesn't make your lies the truth? Rom 3:8 And not [rather], (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just. You practice a religion built on lies. Your choice, but don't try to tell me otherwise because the greatest writer of all Christianity (the man who wrote 2/3rds of the NT) admits it more than once. Paul was the man who stole Christianity from the likes of James and Peter. And no Jesus (pbuh) was only sent to the Jews hence why in your own Bible he specifically says "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matthew 15:24). Jesus (pbuh) also told his disciples: "Go nowhere among the Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans, but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matthew 10:5-6). Here he repeated mentions he hasn't come for gentiles, only for Jews yet christian apologists go through all sorts of wacky explanations trying to justify the unjustifiable. However Paul kidnapped Christianity, which was a Jewish movement only for Jews, and turned it from a monotheistic faith into a roman mystery gentile religion. Ever wonder why James and Peter were accepted into synagogues whiles Paul got his a$$ kicked out of every synagogue he went, because he taught blasphemy. And James actually knew Jesus (pbuh). Whereas PAul never met Jesus (pbuh) but made up a concocted story about seeing Jesus (pbuh) in a dream; a story I might add is filled with contradictions in your Bible which further undermines its authenticity. Do you realize how pathetic it is that Christians get most of their religion from a guy who's only claim to authority was that he saw Jesus (pbuh) in a dream. I could right now claim I saw Jesus (pbuh) in a dream too; would you then trust my revelation?
  11. http://www.christianaggression.org/ ^^thousands of articles on the chaos and the deceptive tactics employed by christian missionaries the world over. FYI, if christians had a clue about their own Bible and the historical Jesus (pbuh), they would realize.... Jesus's message was only for Israel •"I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matthew 15:24) •Jesus told his disciples: "Go nowhere among the Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans, but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matthew 10:5-6) •The greatest commandment is addressed only to Israel: "Which commandment is the first of all? Jesus answered, 'The first is Hear, O Israel. The Lord our God, the Lord is one, and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.'" (Mark 12:28-30) •When a Greek woman begged Jesus to expel the demons from her daughter, Jesus replied, "Let the children first be fed [i.e., the children of Israel], for it is not right to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs." (Mark 7:27)
  12. ^^I disagree. We should always be willing to guide others to the siratul-mustakeem. I was unfortunately hoping to stay away from such debates because they consume too much of my precious, but if our friend DavidWood is honest in his pursuit for truth, then I must oblige to help him out. However like I said, its extremely shallow to attack islam based on this war between the Imam (pbuh) and Aisha. We know who was right and who was wrong. He seems to be trying to pin the fitna on their war, but fails to recognize that the same happened to Jesus (pbuh). Was he also not betrayed by those he trusted (ahem Judas anyone)? Or is our guest simply going to play the fallacy of special pleadings while not using the same criteria to pass judgement on the carnage in the Old Testament.
  13. Oh how much I wanted to stay away from this forum, but its posts like these that keep sucking me back in Tell me good sir. Have you bothered reading your Old Testament and the carnage described in it. Rape, murder, genocide, with examples of prophets committing the most atrocious sins is half your bible. There is nothing in Islam that comes even remotely close to Moses' instructions to dash children against the rocks, or the various instructions all over the Torah with God literally demanding the murder of non-virgin women and male children and instructing the Israelites to keep the virgins for themselves. Islam has absolutely nothing that matches that brutality. Far from it, unlike the Bible, the Quran tells us that when fighting our enemies we must never harm women, children and non-combatants. Such a war ethic is unheard of in the various wars described in the Bible. So is islam a religion of peace......well judging from the butchery that is half your Bible, I would say compared to Christianity and Judaism the answer is a most definite YES.
  14. you're AWESOME for bleach & naruto! I need to catch up with the mangas I've missed SO MUCH, AHHH!!!

  15. http://www.tothesource.org/dsouza_hitchens_prager_debate.htm -Even though I don't post on this forum anymore, its an interesting debate worth noting Anyone have an answer for Hitchens challenge in Part 1 between 3:00 to 3:40?
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