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The response is simple. According to at least two hadiths, God makes them forget at that specific moment: ُ أَلْقَى اللَّهُ عَلَى قَلْبِهِ النِّسْيَانَ لِيَقْضِيَ فِيهِ الْحُكْم Bihar al-anwar, vol. 27, p. 286 So no, it isn't considered suicide.

As a human being I also believe that the essence of God is unknowable, but Baha'u'llah begs to differ. He does not claim he is a mirror of God's attributes. He claims he is God himself: "In it has been born he who has not been born nor begots" (Ishraq Khawari, Ayyam'i tis'ih, p. 50 [citing Baha'u'llah]) And please don't impose your non-orthodox beliefs on Islam. Muhammad was not a manifestation of God. Baha'u'llah made up this concept and there is no such concept in Islam.

Well, well well, if it isn't Sen McGlinn. Allow me to give you some sources with context and value. How about we use the book of the Prominent Baha'i author and pioneer, Ishraq Khawari. Namely his work Ayyam'i Tis'ih reproduced by Kalimat press with the permission of the Baha'i universal house of justice. On page 50 of this book for the event of his own birthday Baha'u'llah claims that this is a day (or night) that: "ولد فیه من لم یلد و لم یولد" "In it has been born he who has not been born nor begots" (Ishraq Khawari, Ayyam'i tis'ih, p. 50 [citing Baha'u'llah]) The second section is a clear reference to verse 112:3 of the Quran that states Allah "has not been born nor begots" yet Baha'u'llah claims that person that is not born is he himself and in fact HE HAS BEEN BORN. This statement is so wrong on so many levels that I am not even going to waste my time explaining it any further.

Of course you don't know because they don't translate those quotes to English. Here is an example from the time he was imprisoned: "There is no God but me the lonely, the imprisoned." (Bahā’u’llāh, Āthār-i Qalam-i A`lā (Canada: Mu’assisiyi Ma`ārif Bahā’ī, 1996), vol. 1, no. 39, p. 226)

According to Baha'u'llah's own sister Baha'u'llah and his followers committed many murders in Iraq: " They gathered a group of hooligans from different provinces of Iran and from the same places fugitives who had never believed in any religion and had no faith in any prophet and had no work but manslaughter and had no occupation but stealing peoples’ property. Even though they claimed they were following [the customs] of Ḥusayn (the grandson of the Prophet Muḥammad who was ruthlessly murdered by Shimr on the orders of Yazīd) they summoned a group of Shimr-like people around themselves. The breath of any soul who uttered anything but what they were satisfied with was suffocated. They beat any head which made the slightest sound other than accepting their guardianship. They cut every throat which showed other than humbleness towards them. They pierced every heart which had love towards other than them. The first group whose names we previously mentioned fled to Karbala, Najaf and elsewhere fearing those bloodthirsty headsmen. They beheaded Sayyid Ismā`īl Iṣfahānī, they ripped Mīrzā Aḥmad Kāshī’s guts, they killed Āghā Abul-Qāsim Kāshi and threw his body in the Tigris river, they finished Sayyid Aḥmad with a gun, they scattered Mīrzā Ridhā’s brain with rocks, they cut Mīrzā `Alī’s body from the sides and pushed him unto the path of demise. Other than these, they killed others in the darkness of night and threw their bodies in the Tigris river; yet others were killed in the Bazaar in daylight and cut to pieces with daggers and machetes." ( Izziye Khānum (Khānum Buzurg), Tanbīh al-nā’imīn, pp. 11–12 )

“the Guardian of the Faith has been made the permanent head of so august a body,” (Shoghi Effendi, The World Order of Bahā’u’llāh, p. 150) Shoghi destroyed Guardianship in Baha'ism, leaving the UHJ without a head and a body without a head is as good as dead.

Yeah he did good. He cut the head off of the UHJ.

http://reference.bahai.org/fa/t/ab/MA2/ma2-266.html#pg266

A quote by Abdu'l-Baha reaffirmed by Shoghi but completely ignored by Shoghi. What matters is that Shoghi failed big time.

Persian section of the official Baha'i library.

Since the time that the followers are acting exactly according to the laws of their religion: “The utterance of the [book or religion] of Bayan in the day of the appearance of his Highness A`la (meaning the Bab) was to behead, burn the books, destroy the monuments, and massacre [everyone] but those who believed [in the Bab’s religion] and verified it,” Abdu’l-Baha, Makatib (Egypt: 1330 AH), vol. 2, p. 266. The Babis that fought at Fort Tabarsi were a bunch of Barbarians who murdered delegates and burned down innocent villages that refused to give them free provisions. Don't even dare to compare them to the 313 special companions of Imam Mahdi.

I think you don't know what WISDOM means. According to Shoghi, Shoghi must appoint a successor: "It incumbent upon the Guardian of the Cause of God to appoint in his own life-time him that shall become his successor( Shoghi Effendi, Bahā’ī Administration, p. 8 ) ", but shoghi fails to appoint a successor even though he writes in his own books that he should. I would in no manner call such a person wise or trust in his wisdom.

Oh great! I love how Baha'is try to portray the Bab and his followers as peaceful people fighting for a just cause. Babi history was distorted by Babis and Baha'is with the intention of making it look like the Bab was the Mahdi. The reason the Iranian government was fighting against the Babis is this: The Bab was the equivalent of a 19th century ISIS with barbaric laws in his religion called the BAYAN. These laws were so barbaric that the Baha'i leader Abdu'l-baha had no choice but to confess that: “The utterance of the [book or religion] of Bayan in the day of the appearance of his Highness A`la (meaning the Bab) was to behead, burn the books, destroy the monuments, and massacre [everyone] but those who believed [in the Bab’s religion] and verified it,” Abdu’l-Baha, Makatib (Egypt: 1330 AH), vol. 2, p. 266. In order to fulfill these laws the Babis wreaked havoc in Iran and they were suppressed by the Persian government. But Babi and Baha'i historians will portray the Babis as oppressed saints. Professor Edward Browne the British orientalist narrates how the Babis fought at Fort Tabarsi by killing government envoys and burning down defenseless villages that they wanted to plunder: "During this revolt the Bábís took up a fortified position 10 or 12 miles from Bárfurúsh, at the shrine of Shaykh Tabarsí, near the river Tálár; they were few in number, but determined and fanatic, and after putting several envoys of the authorities to death, they prepared for a siege by collecting provisions from the neighbouring country; whenever the villagers hesitated or refused to give what they required, their houses were burnt about their ears." (Professor Edward Browne, Materials for the Study of the Babi Religion, p. 241 (circa. 1918))"

The writings of Baha'u'llah have not been completely interpreted by Shoghi (the Guardian) and Abdu'l-Baha. In fact there are volumes and volumes of writings that are sometimes completely incomprehensible and no interpretation from any Baha'i figure exists for them. The Guardian (Shoghi) was supposed to interpret these works, but where is he? Oh he's dead! And he was supposed to select his successor from his own children while he was alive: "O ye beloved of the Lord! It is incumbent upon the Guardian of the Cause of God to appoint in his own life-time him that shall become his successor, that differences may not arise after his passing. He that is appointed must manifest in himself detachment from all worldly things, must be the essence of purity, must show in himself the fear of God, knowledge, wisdom and learning. Thus, should the first-born of the Guardian of the Cause of God not manifest in himself the truth of the words:—“The child is the secret essence of its sire,” that is, should he not inherit of the spiritual within him (the Guardian of the Cause of God) and his glorious lineage not be matched with a goodly character, then must he, (the Guardian of the Cause of God) choose another branch to succeed him." ( Shoghi Effendi, Bahā’ī Administration, p. 8) OOps. Shoghi was senile and couldn't have children and he couldn't appoint a successor. This is the ultimate failure of Baha'ism. And please stop the ramblings about there being no need for a Guardian. The Guardian is the permanent head of the Universal House of Justice. The Baha'i Universal House of Justice is currently functioning without a HEAD and a body without a HEAD is as good as dead: “the Guardian of the Faith has been made the permanent head of so august a body,” (Shoghi Effendi, The World Order of Bahā’u’llāh, p. 150)

Ok everyone, let me tell you where this is going. In the next step our Baha'i friend here will claim that the Day of Judgment has already passed. Why? Because he believes that the Bab is the Qa'im and the founder of Baha'ism also created a fake hadith that states the Day of Judgment is the day the Mahdi appears: "Have they not heard the well-known tradition: “When the Qá’im riseth, that day is the Day of Resurrection?”" (Baha'u'llah, The Kitab-i Iqan, p. 44) آيا روايت مشهور را نشنيده اند که می فرمايد: "اذا قامَ القائِمُ قامَتِ القيامَة"؟ Actually we should be asking the Questions here: How can you believe in Baha'u'llah when he openly utters false statements?

According to Baha'i scripture, the Universal House of justice is only valid and legal if there exists a Baha'i Guardian beside it: "This new Order which is superior to the void sickly orders of the world and is unique, unparalleled, and unheard of throughout the history of religions, is based on two powerful pillars: the first which is greater is the pillar of divine Guardianship that is the source of interpretations and the second pillar is the divine Universal House of Justice that is the reference of legislation. Just as it is impossible to separate between the laws of the Legislator of the Order (meaning Baha’u’llah) and his fundamental basis’ which the Center of the Covenant has declared, separating the two pillars of the New Order from each-other is impossible and infeasible." ( Shoghi Effendi, Tauqī’āt mubāraki khiṭāb bi aḥibbā’ sharq (Langenhain [Germany]: Lajniyi Millī Nashr Āthār Amrī Bi Zabānhayi Fārsī wa `Arabī, 149 B.[1992]), p. 301. ) Well all Baha'i Prophecies about a living Guardian turned into failure after Shoghi effendi the first and last Baha'i Guardian suddenly died without appointing a successor. So now there is a Baha'i Universal House of Justice (UHJ) that is completely illegal according to Baha'i scripture. When you are an illegal entity forcing your opinion on poor Baha'is worldwide, you can only be called a House of INJUSTICE.

Well if that is the case then you are not a Baha'i because Baha'u'llah implicitly states: "Salutations be upon the Master of the World and the Teacher of the Nations (prophet Muhammad) by whom came to an end Messengership and Prophethood and [salutations] be upon his progeny and companions." (Baha'u'llah, Ishraqat wa chand lauh digar, p. 293) (اشراقات و چند لوح دیگر ص 293)"السّلام علی سيّد العالم و مربّی الامم الّذی به انتهت الرّسالة و النّبوّة و علی آله و اصحابه " As you can see even Baha'u'llah admits that Prophet Muhammad is the seal of both prophets and messengers but you somehow claim to be a Baha'i but deny this. Baha'u'llah knew there would be no prophets and messengers after prophet Muhammad so he devised a new plan. If he were to claim he was prophet or messenger everyone would oppose him, so he claimed that he was God Almighty Himself. This is pretty obvious in his writings where he explicitly makes this claim numerous times. For example when he was imprisoned he would claim: "There is no God but me the lonely, the imprisoned." (Bahā’u’llāh, Āthār-i Qalam-i A`lā (Canada: Mu’assisiyi Ma`ārif Bahā’ī, 1996), vol. 1, no. 39, p. 226)

See how Baha'is treat those that disagree with the mainstream Baha'i sect and exert information control on them: http://lavaleo.tripod.com/cgi-bin/ross.html As you can see, one poor Baha'i decided that the mainstream Baha'i leadership was wrong. He was subsequently excommunicated and then all Baha'is were ordered: "Anyone who receives a communication from Mr. Campbell should be advised to inform the National Spiritual Assembly immediately, to delete it unopened, and make no response." These Independent Investigators of truth are also labelled as haters of light and sufferers from spiritual leprosy by Baha'i leaders: " It is better not to read books by Covenant-breakers because they are haters of the Light, sufferers from a spiritual leprosy, so to speak. " ( Helen Bassett Hornby, Lights of Guidance: A Bahā’ī Reference File (New Delhi: Bahā’ī Publishing Trust, 1983), chap. XII, no. 628 )

It is not a matter of creating disunity. Take this poor person for example: excommunicated for stating she was a Muslim instead of Baha'i becasue she feared for her life: https://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/04/choosing-motherhood-over-martyrdom/478641/ Have you ever heard about the group of Baha'i academics running the Talisman group? threatened to be excommunicated, others disenrolled, forced to resign, or silenced... because they were exposing too many things the UHJ wanted to hide... http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/bigquestions/talisman.html http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/tarc1196.htm Read again: "Whoso interpreteth what hath been sent down from the heaven of Revelation, and altereth its evident meaning, he, verily, is of them that have perverted the Sublime Word of God, and is of the lost ones in the Lucid Book." (Baha'u'llah, Aqdas, no. 105) The quote I provided clearly states all Manifestations have come to an end by the proclamation of Baha'u'llah and whoever makes a proclamation after him is a liar. He says nothing about this occuring during or after the Baha'i dispensation. He closes the probability of another Manifestation appearing once and for all... all while attacking the concept khatamiyat in Islam while he is practically making that same claim about himself.

Dear friend, People are not excommunicated for simply trying to create a sect and even if they do you are still performing the crazy (as you put it) act of excommunicating them. I can post the stories of many people who were excommunicated for very trivial reasons. Traveling to Israel without Shoghi's permission, traveling to America without Shoghi's permission, stating that they were Muslim instead of Baha'i to save their lives, finding out the truth about Baha'ism and speaking about it, being a follower or supporter of Baha'u'llah's other son, Muhammad Ali etc. etc. etc. If the UHJ orders you to this or that you have to oblige. This is called full control. Just because the UHJ does not meddle in all your affairs, it doesn't mean you have freedom to disobey the UHJ when they give a direct order. IMO, You are trying to squeeze out a meaning out of those quotes that goes against it apparent and obvious meaning. For all I know according to Baha'u'llah you have to take the evident meaning of his statements and refrain from paraphrasing: "Whoso interpreteth what hath been sent down from the heaven of Revelation, and altereth its evident meaning, he, verily, is of them that have perverted the Sublime Word of God, and is of the lost ones in the Lucid Book." (Baha'u'llah, Aqdas, no. 105) You see this is called a contradiction. You can't claim that no Manifestations will come in the future and at the same time claim that manifestations will come after a thousand years.

Dear Friend allow me to clarify some points: Baha'is excommunicate their members for very trivial reasons such as disobeying the UHJ (Universal House of Justice) or questioning it. So for whatever reason that you excommunicate people you have the same "crazy" law as the Ahmadis. Baha'is also have full control of the members: The UHJ has every right under Baha'i law to prevent you to marry someone, live somewhere, work somewhere, etc... Actually, you are stating the exact opposite of Baha'i beliefs. Baha'is strive to bring a day where everyone will become Baha'i and the world will be ruled by Baha'is: "That which the Lord hath ordained as the sovereign remedy and mightiest instrument for the healing of all the world is the union of all its peoples in one universal Cause, one common Faith." (Baha'u'llah, Gleanings From the Writings of Baha'u'llah, section CXX.) “Its watchword is the unification of the human race; its standard the “Most Great Peace”; its consummation the advent of that golden millennium—the Day when the kingdoms of this world shall have become the Kingdom of God Himself, the Kingdom of Baha’u’llah,” (Shoghi Effendi, The World Order of Baha’u’llah, p. 157) In Islamic scripture, Khatamiyat means the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is the last Prophet and there will be no Prophets after him. This meaning makes your explanations unacceptable and irrelevant. Even Baha'u'llah knew this and he had to come up with a new concept so he claimed he was not a Prophet but a "Manifestations of God" (pure heresy according to Islamic beliefs). But he messed up very bad after this because he went on to claim that he was the last Manifestation and that there would be no manifestations after him: “I swear by my True Self, all manifestations have come to an end by this Most Great Manifestation (meaning Baha’ism). Whoever claims (to be a manifestation) after that is a slandering liar,” Bahā’u’llāh, Iqtidārāt wa chand lauḥ dīgar, p. 327. «و نفسی الحق قد انتهت الظهورات الی هذا الظهور الاعظم و من یدعی بعده انه کذاب مفتر»: بهاءالله، اقتدارات و چند لوح دیگر، ص 327 This last statement creates multiple dilemmas for Baha'is...

It's very simple: 1- Just because Iran is called the "Islamic Republic of Iran" it doesn't mean all it's laws are Islamic. 2- Furthermore, many religious bodies/people have voiced opposition to the interest rates. 3- Under some circumstances some interest rates are allowed, the simplest cases that we know about is that Muslims can ask for interest from non-Muslims etc. But this is up to the Maraji to decide not us (I'm not saying the Maraji allow what happens in some banks) 4- Furthermore, don't forget that Iran has a very high inflation rate. As far as I know (I might be wrong) the hadiths don't mention anything about the effect of interest rates on loans, and some try to justify the high interest rates by taking into account the inflation rate. I think (I'm not sure) this matter is something that maraji differ on. 5- Still, some banks write out the contract in a manner that would make it seem like they aren't asking for interest rates but they are asking for their share of profit from the money that they have given to you and you have used to make a profit from. For example, a common loophole they use is this: "Ok, so you want to buy a house? Well, I will become your partner in this matter. I'll pay half the money for the house then I will gradually sell you my share for so and so amount, which you will pay to me every month." The calculations are done in a manner that at the end of the duration, what you give back to the bank is effectively equal to the interest rate. I am not trying to whitewash anything but, these are notes that should be considered. Personally, I would neither get a loan from a bank with interest nor give someone loans in this manner. I believe the banking system in Iran is a complete mess and failure both from a religious and secular viewpoint and has many faults in this regard. It is stuff like this that make it obvious and evident that no can implement justice and the true rulings of Islam but Imam Mahdi (atfs) and that is why we should all pray that Allah ends his ghaybah soon.

No need to worry. He is unregistered now.

Thankyou for the elogent explanation.

This is completely wrong. After the Mahdi all the Imams will return in the Raja and will rule over earth for God knows how long and the earth will remain with people that most if not all are believers.