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  1. If you do not agree Abu Bakr (ra) freed these slaves, how else was Bilal or Ammar (ra) saved? Who freed them? Do you have an alternative story?
  2. Sorry I did not make myself clear. It was narrated by Anas, Ibn Abbas and Ali (ra) that the Prophet (saw) said this directly to Ali (ra). See the narrations of Tirmidhi.
  3. Like I said in my previous post, if multiple chains were fabricated they would have to stop at ONE person. So say if Imam Bukhari fabricated chains. Then no one else would come up with the exact same chain and hadith unless the two conspired. However we have Ahmad ibn Hanbal also recording this narration, and he came before Imam Bukhari. If you say he fabricated the chain, we have Ibn Abi Shaybah who also recorded it who was a couple of generations before Ahmad ibn Hanbal. It is also found in shia narrations that Shu'bah narrated this narration from the first generation (i.e. after Ali's gener
  4. You did not provide any proof, sunni or shia, for the claims in the your above post. Please do so. You asked for proof of Abu bakr's (ra) spending of wealth in Allah's way and I provided it. Please answer my above post.
  5. Can somebody respond to the first post please. Did Abu Bakr (ra) start off sincere and if so exactly where did he slip up? For Satan, yes he did start of sincere, but it was his arrogance when asked to prostrate to what he felt was a lower being, where he slipped up.
  6. Can you give the proof for this? Thank you The narrations I have read all show Abu Bakr (ra) himself caused the conversion of Bilal (ra) and then his master Omayyah said to Abu bakr (ra) it is because of you he is in this religion, so Abu Bakr swapped a slave of their religion with Bilal (ra) and freed Bilal (ra). Bilal (ra)'s master was Umayyah ibn Khalaf not Sumayyah. Sumayyah was the mother of Ammar ibn Yasir (ra) and the first martyr of Islam. Khadijah's benefactory is mentioned in the Qur'an, where it says "did he not find you in need, and enriched thee?" (93:8). The Prophet (saw) was p
  7. For the forgers to be able to fabricate a number of chains would be impossible. Think about it: Say my name is Salih. I fabricate ten chains from myself to Ali (ra). Then I narrate this to many reliable people. See here the problem is I am the only one in my generation narrating the hadith. I cannot concoct many people narrating from my own generation as there would have to be reliable people narrating from them. The Sunni system of hadith makes it impossible for multiple parallel paths to be forgeries because multiple chains forged will ultimately stop at one person. Now, what we have with th
  8. Yes they are Sunni, but even shia quote the narrations from these books although they miss out the details (e.g. http://www.al-islam.org/restatement/25.htm - go last segment). These narrations are sound and they show Abu bakr and Umar (ra) played an active role in the life of the Prophet's family and were with them then and forever in Paradise.
  9. It is proof for us, and I think it is proof for the rational person as each person in these chains have been scrutinised thoroughly and every possibility of their source has been exhausted. Anyway if you do not accept this particular narration (although sahih) see the narration of Ali on Abu Bakr and Umar (ra) which is mutawatir and cannot be a forgery.
  10. The full hadith translation is: Al-Tabrani said in al-Mu‘jam al-Kabir: Ahmad ibn Hammad ibn Zaghbah narrated to us: Rawh ibn Salah narrated: Sufyan al-Thawri narrated from ‘Asim al-Ahwal from Anas ibn Malik (that) he said: “When Fatimah bint Asad ibn Hashim, the mother of ‘Ali ibn Abi Talib, died, the Messenger of Allah entered upon her and sat next to her head and said: ‘Allah bless you my mother, you were my mother after my mother, you were hungry and you nourished me, you were naked and you clothed me, you withheld yourself good and you fed me, seeking thereby the Countenance of A
  11. Yes there are volume and page numbers in Shaykh Mamduh's work, raf al-Minarah, http://www.frzdqi.net/bhooth/rafa.htm. They are: Al-Tabrani in al-Kabir 24:352 hadith number 871 Al-Tabrani in al-Awsat 1:152 Abu Nu'aym in al-Hilyah 3:121 Ibn al-Jawzi in al-Ilal al-Mutanahiyyah 1:268 The specific segment of Raf' is: قال الطبراني ÙÙŠ المعجم الكبير (24/352 حديث) رقم (871) : حدثنا أحمد بن حماد بن زغبة ØŒ ثنا روح بن صلاح ØŒ ثنا سÙيان الثوري ØŒ عن عاصم الأحول ØŒ عن أنس بن مالك قال : لما ماتت Ùا
  12. But it does show they were close to him and were not an exclusive group as the shia make out. Abu bakr and Umar (ra) loved the Ahl al-Bayt and they were all one and united, as this beauiful tradition shows.
  13. I know Shia do not accept Sunni ahadith. However when the narration is mutawatir it cannot be a made up tale. This is because so many people narrate this that in any one generation a conspiracy on the same narration is near impossible. If two independent people relate the exact same event that makes it more reliable. Here we have narrators reaching figures which make it a difficult narration to call a forgery. Therefore this narration has to be accepted by any rational person, and this means Ali (ra) did indeed consider Abu bakr and Umar (ra) his superior.
  14. There are two responses to this: that the hadith refers to those who were adults at that time, or those who die as adults. But everyone in Paradise will be youths (some say 33 years of age). Those who died young, hasan and Husain (ra) will be their leaders, the women Fatimah (ra) will be their leader and those who died elderly, Abu bakr and Umar (ra) will be their leaders; and the Prophet (saws) and the other Prophets will be all their leaders.
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