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farris

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  1. yigliz none of the hadith state that the sahabah left out and none stated thats the sunni belief. the sunni accept that abrogation took place and that happened in the life of the prophet pbuh. kuylani didnt refer to abrogation but the sahabah leaving out ayahs reffering to the ahlelbayt on purpose wallahi i accept the sunni hadiths you mentioned and abrogation took place on issues such as the qibla from jerusalem to makkah, alcohol,stoning. here is a link on abrogation http://www.audioimam.com/dars/MMS-Companio...ertainVerses.rm you cannot backup your statement and if you were sunni you would
  2. prove your sources - prove thats the sunni belief ?? you have got a big impossible job on your hands
  3. I KNOW YOU DONT BELIEVE IN THIS :angry: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why would kuylani include such obviously false hadiths?? why has not included other contradictory hadiths?? did he do kufr? how can ali ra have the original quran when we have it today?? so many unanswered questions :o which are purposely being avoided !!!!!!!!!
  4. so you dont believe in abrogation of verses?? what do you think of the link??
  5. you comparing abrogation to leving out ayahs :!!!: there is a big difference - abrogation happened with the prophet pbuh leaving out ayah happened by the khulafa rashideen as claimed i think i can safely say i have my shia brothers in a bit of a twangle oh yeah and another point which i forgot to mention yesterday the point was made that the quran today is in the incorrect order and only ali ra had the correct order of the quran which he secretly kept. this is another grave error - we know the order of revelation open the quran and go to suran al alaq - you will see 2 numbers at the beginni
  6. the topic is on kuylani?? did kuylani do kufr?? yes or no
  7. i disagree utterly - all scholars i believe whether sunni and shia narrate hadiths to what they believe hence you probably wont see any sunni hadiths dissing the sahabah, believeing in imamah. if you what you say its true then surely there will be contradictions in both sunni and shia hadiths such as kuylani and al kafi if what you say is true then the question i want to ask is from your knowledge are there any hadiths in al kafi stating the imamah is false, the sahabah were the best, muawiyah was great, or any other sunni view?? i am unable to read the arabic - the proof i gave is in the li
  8. listen to the link about the kuylani then read the sunni hadiths that you maybe refferring to - then you will surely see that they dont compare its suprising that no one has defended kuuylani hence maybe that answers my question why did kuylani narrate such things when he didnt narrate such regarding the imamah and sahabah? listen to the link about the kuylani then read the sunni hadiths that you maybe refferring to - then you will surely see that they dont compare its suprising that no one has defended kuuylani hence maybe that answers my question why did kuylani narrate such things when he
  9. whats the difference?? i think you are being awkward on purpose. the sources are clearly given. we know if any hadiths goes against the quran is forged - but did kuylani do kufr? its against site rules to speak on the issue regarding the quran being complete did kuylani do kufr?? THATS MY QUESTION NOT ABOUT THE QURAN your question and input is irrelevent if you dont listen to the link i gave you - you will just end up hijacking this thread as you did to the other one my purpose is that i believe its a big blunder to include hadiths stating the sahabah on purpose took the verses of the qutan
  10. listen to the link. how many time have i got to say lets move away from the completion of the quran topic. i am going to ignore constant references to the completion of the quran did kuylani do kufr? yes or no why did kuylani narrate such hadiths and not other contradictory hadiths? you need realplayer. did kuylani do kufr?? why did ne not narrate other contradictory hadiths??
  11. there is a difference in sunni and shia version in the sunni version, they had fear when compiling the quran to ensure its correct the shia version implies a sinister polt by the sahabah after the demise of the prophet pbuh to reduce the standing of ahlelbayt by taking the verses of the quran out out on purpose they just dont compare - there are no accusations in sunni hadiths regarding the forgery of quran like kuylani narrated did kuylani do kufr?? either yes or no there is no point trying to come back with sunni versions i dont have the written form, in the audio the references are clear.
  12. we accept that the shias believe the quran is complete - but in a different order than the sunnis believe the discussion is not on the completeness of the quran although it has got here my question regarding kuylani, whether he did kufr in narrating such hadiths as maula confirmed the shia view is such?? i dont want to discuss whether the quran is complete or not in shiasm as i know the shia view, although you and aliya need to work out whether you believe the order is correct as i am getting slightly different views. the question is kuylani, whether he did kufr in narrating such hadiths?? if
  13. ok, if i was to say - that all shias believe the quran to be complete but in the incorrect order - is that a correct statement. hence sunnis and shias do not believe in the same quran the question im asking is actually referring to kuylani, did do kufr by narrating such hadiths regarding the missing ayahs?
  14. akbar007, thanks for the informative but confusing post the source from ali ra says that he collected the quran in the correct order which its not currently - this still ges against the shia belief as outlined in the quran thread on this site then a source says one of the latter imams says the quran from cover to cover is the same and those who says the shia believe the quran be larger is a liar the sources provided in the link clearly states hadiths from al kafi statingthe quran is corrupted due to verses regarding the imams were taken out by the sahabah ra check the link i provided it clear
  15. he gives proof from al kafi so irrespective of who he is it doesnt matter why dont you answer whether kuylani did kufr? by the way, you are a persistent liar as shown in the quote above so your answer may not be worthy
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