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Akbar673

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  1. I replaced the terms "Shi'a" and "Sunni" in your post and replaced them with the bold terms below. When I reworded your post, it made things a lot more clear to me as to the nature of your question. Apologies for altering your post, but this is how I worded it in my head. As you can see...when I replaced the terms "Shi'a" and "Sunni"...it made your question a bit self-answering for me. Your thoughts? In answer to your re-worded question, I think the answer would be that he would consider them as those that did not listen to what he told them to do.
  2. Beautiful pictures !!! If the majestic brilliance of the building is that awe inspiring, then imagine what the majestic brilliance of the ones buried within there must be.
  3. That's a factor but not the only factor. Many other things come into play. Parents play the biggest role and it is their action which is probably the key factor. While enviornment plays a factor, it is still what happens at home which drives this. Again, if the parenting is adequate during childhood through education and exposure to counteract any outside factors then its not a problem. You can have the most pious Muslim living in Las Vegas, while you can have the most irreligious person living in Medina or Karbala. Its all about what's going inside a person that determines their piety, not so much the enviornment. If a person is put on the right path from early on then there is no chance of a coincidence. A person of weak faith will fall apart at some point, a person of strong faith will stand firm regardless of what comes along in life. This is why the responsibilities of a parent are so highly defined in Islam. If the early foundation of life is solid, then the strongest structure can be built upon it. Coversely, if the foundation is weak, then regardless of what you build the structure will eventually collapse, or at the least become damaged. If one is strong in their faith they don't see anything convincing in other religions. Even if they find something desirable then they will come back and search for it in their own religion. At the end of the day, it all comes down to parenting ultimately. If a parent takes the proper steps to ensure Islamic education while taking the steps to explain to their children why something is the way it is clearly then they are only building a foundation which can not be broken. If they lack the proper Islamic knowledge to teach the logic of Islam then there are more than enough resources or people out there that can do it for them. Its all about the end result.
  4. Who's the author of this? Most boys hit puberty around 12 and most girls hit puberty around 10. Based on this statement he is advocating that since a 12 year old boy and a 10 year old girl have an active libido and can conceive a child that they should be married. How many 12 year old boys and 10 year old girls are capable of engaging in a marriage are there out there? Not many I would say. Its desirable based on their hormones increasing their libido? How old were the members of the Ahle Bayt (عليه السلام), as well as the ages of their children, when they married? Wasn't Imam Ali (عليه السلام) near the age of 30 when he first married? What about Imam Hasan (عليه السلام)? Imam Hussain (عليه السلام)? How about Imam Hasan Askari (عليه السلام)? You'll get your answer to this statement by finding that out. Keyword is Maturity. The author is negating his previous statement here by now adding maturity to the equation. Seems his opinion is evolving as the paragraph goes on. Originally, the author stated that when puberty hits that marriage is desirable, now maturity is added. The author then further negates the original statement by saying immature people are like "unripe fruit". So the author is making the assumption that people lack the ability to control their libido? I would disagree with that heartily, every unmarried Muslim in the world isn't constantly absorbed by a need to have sex. Even the ones that are growing up in the West where they are constantly bombarded by sexual imagery are not that way. (I was born, and grew up in the U.S., so I think I have some validity to my opinion). and those are not legitimate things to take into consideration before stepping onto the path towards getting married? I would say that those are things which need to be determined first, ahead of one's libido in fact. Those are the things which will play a much greater role in the success of not only the marriage, but also life in general. This extends not only to the spouse, but also onto children, parents, etc...as well. I'm not talking about being rich, I'm speaking of the ability for a husband to be able to stand on his own two feet financially while maintaing a respectable standard of living for his wife and childre, as well as supporting his parents in their elderly years. This outweighs libido by a wide margin in my opinion. Not condoning those items, but again the assumption is that all people engage in that before they are married. I would disagree with that statement on principal. Yes, the temptations are there but not all indulge in that. Also, can one not ask for forgiveness if they have indulged in those sins? Not using that as an excuse, a person shouldn't indulge in sins to begin with, but lets say they have...can they not beg with sincerety for expiation of those sins? That's not a result of not marrying early enough. That is a result of him not being attracted to his wife anymore. Why that is needs to be determined by speaking to that youth. He may have made the mistake of marrying simply for the sake of marrying. He didn't marry a wife he felt a physical attraction to. We also don't know the nature of their relationship. I can speak from being married for almost 20 years that after an argument or some equally emotional negative event that the last thing a couple wants to do is have sex together. Further more, if the marriage deteriorates then sex is definitely not desired amongst the couple. Wow, this author is certainly full of themself. I'm really curious to know who they are as well as what qualifications they have Islamically. The author's framing their personal opinion in the cloak of making it appear as fact. Who is the author? This has all the soundings of a person who has an overactive libido. If the author is a man, which I'm suspecting because women normally don't talk like this, then I'm curious how many mutahs and/or wives he has. He sounds like a skirt chaser. He's talking about sexual desire as if there is nothing else that drives a person's mentality. People are not animals that lack the ability to use logic as well. No one denies this, however the author is using the rizq that Allah provides as a weapon for furthering his own opinion. That's dishonest and misleading. That is the equivalent of me sitting around preaching that education and a job is unnecessary because Allah provides everything that we need or will need or to go ahead and have as many children as possible even when I don't have the means to feed and clothe them because Allah has promised rizq to all he brings into this world. Well, yes Allah does promise us that but at the same time he has also imbued us with a level of common sense and the ability to analyze things on a practical level. He gave us the intellect to identify between what is practical and what is impractical. To use Allah's words to further a personal opinion is a sin. Now, the author is using fear as a means of pushing their personal opinion. To scare people into thinking that if you are too old no one will want to marry you. Not questioning what Allah has promised us and guranteed us in relation to rizq and a partner in this world. Also, not questioning that Allah has made things haram and that he made those things haram for a specific and valid reason. However, I do take exception when the words of the Almighty are twisted and weaponized for the purpose of convincing others to believe your personal opinion. I'm really curious who the author is and what, if any, are his qualifications to be speaking on Islam.
  5. Thanks for the info...so if my math is correct then based on this hadith the soul enters the Fetus at 120 days from conception. Would you say that this is the same across all 4 Sunni fiqh? So interestingly enough we can now say that the Jafari fiqh and at least one (perhaps all four) Sunni fiqh match in determining when the soul enters the unborn fetus. How about that...something that all Muslims potentially agree on? Unfortunately, I haven't been able to really research this into the 4 Sunni fiqhs myself but that is definitely on the agenda. However, if someone can provide that info before then it would be greatly appreciated. At this point, based on the info we have on this thread, that Islamically an abortion can be performed at any point from conception through day 119 of the pregnancy. (I'm only speaking from a substantiated perspective, I know its near impossible sometimes to determine when conception actually happened, unless you are actively planning for a child and/or keeping a record of when the Husband and Wife engaged in the act.) Am I correct in making this determination at this point? Thanks.
  6. Ideally, I'd like to have Shi'a sources. However, I'd love to hear what the Sunni perspective on this is as well. I'd love to see which (if any) Sunni fiqh matches the Jafari fiqh on this issue.
  7. Source, please. The verse speaks about the developmental process but does not speak about at what point the soul enters the fetus. Sorry, but that verse is not accepted by Shi'a due it speaking on Predestination. Shi'a reject the concept of predestination of whether a person is determined to be "blessed or wretched" in advance. If his piety is already determined or decided by Allah in advance then why is he/she held accountable for their sins? good deeds? If he/she has already been decreed that they will end up in Hell or Heaven, then what is the point of choosing to be pious or sinful? We have hadith from the Ahle Bayt (عليه السلام) which speak specifically against the concept of predestination which forms the basis of the Shi'a opinion on it. However, back to the topic of this thread...where did you get the 120 days number? Neither the Verse nor the Hadith states that number and the link you provided doesn't really give a clear explanation as to the 120 days number.
  8. I would say the logic and maturity of all 3 people since it involves all of them. Initially, all 3 but later extending to children. Also, it can not be understated as to the importance and acceptance of the parents and families of all 3. I can just imagine one of the Mothers-in-Law creating subtle ripples that could turn into tsunamis potentially. I brought that up once (and ONLY once) with my wife on a hypothetical basis a long time ago...let's just say she made her opinion on the matter quite clear......lol
  9. This is why myself, and many others, always said to not take drastic steps like leaving in the middle of the night. Also, this is why everyone keeps saying to keep in touch with your Mother and not be rude or harmful to her. Regardless of what she may have said to you, she's never stopped loving you. That's not so much her fault overall. Being a desi myself I know very well how important it is in that culture to be cognizant of what the opinions of others are. I'm not defending it, nor am I condoning it. I'm just speaking on the cultural status of it. Couple that with the fact that desi women love to gossip about things like this. However, this isn't a situation just of social standing, this is a life and death situation, or at the very least a permanent physical injury situation. I won't even comment on the mental damage situation because that's already happened for all involved. As such, you need to find a solution that works best for you. Desi culture is just as toxic as your Father's mentality. See above. Are they making a mockery of her being a victim of physical violence? If so, then they aren't the people who's opinion should matter at any degree. However, I doubt that they are aware of the physical violence. I'm pretty sure that the story being put out by your Father's family is that you overreacted to a simple argument and had him thrown in jail. They would never allow the fact that he beats his wife to get out to the public, That would destroy their public image. Don't worry, in time the truth always comes out. Well, that's unfortunately the damage that your Father's actions wrought upon his family. Not only did he damage them physically and mentally but financially as well. Not sure how to respond to this issue, but perhaps if you spoke to someone at your shelter they might be able to route her towards a charity organization that would help out. Doesn't hurt to ask. Best thing right now if for you to reply to your Mother with potential solutions. Her list of worries is quite extensive at this point and since she is your Mother you need to speak to your Shelter's staff and ask them how they can help. Allah does not place an obstacle in front of you which you do not possess the ability to overcome.
  10. The wife's full support defines this debate. If he did not have that, then it would've been an entirely different debate. Is there a victim in this scenario? Home's not wrecked if everyone knows about beforehand and agreed to it. Wife #1 knew in advance and agreed to it. Consent was given. No home wrecked in my opinion. Well, with today's weaponization of social media that is not outside the realm of possibility. However, what Islamic rule(s) were violated in this situation? Well, again which Islamic fiqh was violated by this? Also, what social or cultural laws were violated? If nothing else, how was the relationship between the Husband and Wife #1 damaged by this (if at all, since he had her approval and consent to marry Wife #2)? I just hope she knew what she was getting into. Not many people would do that. I'm just wondering if she conflated Islamic permissibility with her own personal opinion? Just because Islam allows her husband to take another wife doesn't necessarily equate to Wife #1 always being happy about it. I can't help but think that at some point there are going to be problems. How will Wife #1 react when she sees her husband showing affection to Wife #2? Will she feel threatened, or disapprove on some degree? Same applies to Wife #2, how will she react to seeing her husband's love towards Wife #1? What happens when children are born? Will Wife #1 have any affection towards the baby of Wife #2? Vice versa? Islamically, who holds legal superiority, Wife #1? So many Islamic fiqh issues, as well as social, personality, intimacy, etc...as well. You know the husband? Literal interpretations aren't necessarily a good thing. Can't say its always a bad thing either. Logic of the reader is the key factor in whether it is good or bad in that particular situation.
  11. My question is Islamically at what point does the soul enter the fetus in a Mother's womb? My reason for asking is in regards to an Abortion. I am well aware of the Islamic ruling on the when an Abortion is permissible and at what point it is not. Also, I am not interested in starting a debate about the morality of an Abortion. I have a opinion on Abortion, as I'm sure many of you do as well, nor am I interested in engaging in a debate about women's rights. I am fully aware of those as well. https://www.al-Islam.org/Islamic-edicts-on-family-planning/abortions Please see my question as to when exactly the soul enters the body of the unborn child? Thanks in advance for any info that is provided !!!
  12. Say that to the Sunni who accuse Shi'a of attacking Sahaba. So you're arguing in favor of just taking the Hadith at face value without stopping to analyze what it means, right?
  13. To tell me all of the mistakes I made over the last 10 years, so I could avoid them. Also, tell me what all the best stocks and business to invest in are, so I could invest in them. As well as to tell me what the critical events were over the last 10 years that caused a negative outcome to world events, so I could prevent them from happening.
  14. We can't go by guesses or personal opinion when dealing with this Hadith (or any other Hadith for that matter). but then wouldn't the Hadith have mentioned that then? Wouldn't it have said that the "Muslims" of his generation, or his Companions, or something like that? According to the Hadith he specifically mentions specific generations with no further clairification. Based on the literal sense of this Hadith, it says that people like Muhajirun and the Ansar are better than the Tabi'un and the Tabi al Tabi'in, right? So based on that logic then Abu Sufyan or Amr e Aas (sahabi by Sunni standards) are greater than Jafar e Sadiq (عليه السلام), Zayd ibn Ali or even Malik ibn Anas and Ahmad ibn Hanbal for that matter (Tabi al Tabi'in by Sunni standards)? Would you agree with the statement based on the Hadith? I would agree with you on that in the sense that earlier generations overall can be considered better than later generations. That's just how Humanity works. So the generations of later Muslims like 3rd or even 4th naturally deviate from earlier generations simply over the passing of time. Agreed, because you can't argue the validity of some of the men that are considered Sahaba by Sunni standards. For example, by that logic then the words of Abu Huraira need to be accepted as more important than the words of Imam Muhammad Baqir (عليه السلام) or Imam Jafar e Sadiq (عليه السلام). That doesn't make any sense to me on any level.
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