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shadow_of_light

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    shadow_of_light got a reaction from Zendegi in Sunnism In Iran & Mistreatment Of Iranian Sunnis   
    You forgot the "sixthly" one.
     
    They are going wrong. Our scholars have banned it. Omarkoshun is also illegal. Most people dont crawl or hold Omarkoshun feast. As I said previously, a small minority do it.
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    shadow_of_light got a reaction from Zendegi in Sunnism In Iran & Mistreatment Of Iranian Sunnis   
    In which hadith does the Prophet(s) tell us to insult ahl-e bida? If by insult, you mean saying offensive words, then it is forbidden in Islam. Imam Ali(a) also recommends his soldiers not to abuse their enemies verbally but instead remind their wrong deeds. There is another hadith which says paradise is forbidden to people who curse (or maybe indulge in cursing) and that Allah doesn't like such people.
     
    You aksed me not to call anyone deviant because it is takfeer but you yourself called Rumi deviant in another topic! And by the way, takfeer means calling someone kafir and I didn't do it. I am not saying they are kafir but that they are in a wrong path and I said it based on Quranic verses and Ahadith.

    6/108:
    And do nut insult those who invoke other than Allah lest they insult Allah in their enmity without knowledge.
     
    Disregarding ethical reasons for not insulting, when your behavior is offensive to sunnis or you curse their caliphs, they will do the same and curse our Imams.
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    shadow_of_light got a reaction from Darth Vader in Sunnism In Iran & Mistreatment Of Iranian Sunnis   
    1.As many as 90% of all Shias living in Iran are non-religious, and many have become murtads and followers of Christianity, agnosticism, Zoroastrianism, and Atheism........90%???!!!!This is completely wrong. Most people, in my opinion, are half-religious. And by the way, you cannot say someone is religious or not just by seeing his/ her appearance.
    2.Also, I have read about how Iranian Shiism is like Zoroastrianism, and has Zoroastrian influences such as Nowruz, Omar Koshan etc....Again wrong. Noruz is just a cultural event and it has also been influenced by some Islamic beliefs. For example, people put Quran in their "haft-seen" tables and utter an Islamic Arabic prayer as soon as the new year begins and go to their relatives' homes to visit them and as you know, Islam emphasizes the importance of "seleye rahem". As to Omarkoshun, it is only practiced by a group of deviated people who are a small minority and follow Ayatollah Sadegh Shirazi and this hateful event is banned by the government and other shia marjas and moreover, the majority of shias here, dislike it.
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    shadow_of_light got a reaction from mina in Iranians Are Irreligious ?   
    I dont think so. I live in North of Tehran and I think most people here, are in-between.
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    shadow_of_light got a reaction from Zendegi in Iranians Are Irreligious ?   
    I dont think so. I live in North of Tehran and I think most people here, are in-between.
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    shadow_of_light got a reaction from strength=Abbas in Iranians Are Irreligious ?   
    I dont think so. I live in North of Tehran and I think most people here, are in-between.
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    shadow_of_light reacted to guest050817 in A Message To Those Who Insult And Mock And Curse   
    There's a big difference if someone is a unanimously known opressor i.e Yazid, or someone is actually an utterly revered symbol i.e Abu-Bakr the first caliph, who is adored by over a billion muslims.
     
    While we must dissociate from the enemies of the ahlulbayt a.s, we can't forget the attachment of some of these to our brothers in the ahle sunnah, and act accordingly.
     
    This is why Ayatullah sistani and Khamanei, have both issued fatwa's against insulting, mocking revered symbols of sunni's.
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    shadow_of_light reacted to Hameedeh in A Message To Those Who Insult And Mock And Curse   
    Ayatullah Sistani said in his book that this is a hadith from the 6th Holy Imam as-Sadiq AS:
    “Fasting should not be confined to abstaining from food and drink. You should restrain your tongues from telling lies, cast your eyes away from that which Allah has ordained not to be looked at. Do not engage in conflict. Do not envy each other. Do not backbite, swear at or curse one another. Avoid giving false testimony. Be like one who is anticipating to move to the next world, counting in the process your days, waiting for that which God Almighty has promised you, and always taking stock of your deeds in anticipation of having audience with Him. Take to God-inspired peace of mind and dignified bearing; take to submissiveness and humility - the submissiveness of a slave, fearing his master”. 
    http://www.al-islam.org/jurisprudence-made-easy-ayatullah-ali-sistani/dialogue-sawm-fasting
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    shadow_of_light reacted to mina in A Message To Those Who Insult And Mock And Curse   
    1.No hadith book is fully authentic.
    2.Quran says the opposite.
    2:83 "And speak to people good [words] and establish prayer and give zakah..."
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    shadow_of_light reacted to baqar in A Message To Those Who Insult And Mock And Curse   
    Just because the Quran curses evil people does not mean that we should do too.  The verse [6:108] means what it says.   
     
    The Quran insists dozens of times that we use good language with everyone.   And bear the language of bad people with becoming patience. 
     
    There is not one single verse in the Quran condoning rude or offensive language. 
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    shadow_of_light reacted to guest050817 in A Message To Those Who Insult And Mock And Curse   
    QURAN: "And do not insult those they invoke other than Allah , lest they insult Allah in enmity without knowledge. Thus We have made pleasing to every community their deeds. Then to their Lord is their return, and He will inform them about what they used to do."

    Commentary :

    In this verse, Allah emphasizes on this meaning that idols and deities of the pagans should never be abused. This action causes the holy Essence of Allah to be abused by them, revengefully and unjustly, because of their ignorance.As it is understood from some Islamic traditions, it happened that sometimes some of the believers who were seriously unbecoming from the phenomenon of idolatry, used indecent language and abused the idols of the pagans. 

    The Qur'an explicitly prohibited that action. From the point of Islam, having modesty and observing the principles of discipline, and courtesy in speech is necessary for a believer, even if it is before the most superstitious and the worst wrong religions. It is not possible to prevent a person from a wrong way by means of abusing him, because everybody is zealous unto his own beliefs and deeds. 

    The verse says :" And do not abuse those whom they call upon besides Allah, or they will abuse Allah in revenge without any knowledge, ..."However, every sect or group of people think that their conduct is fair, because it is as their nature pleases, but, in the meantime, they have been introduced the Truth in order that they act accordingly and avoid the falsehood. The verse continues saying :"... thus unto every nation have We made their behaviour seem fair. Then unto their Lord is their return, so He will inform them of what they used to do."
    http://www.maaref-foundation.com/eng.../006/6_108.htm



    What a religion we follow, how Allah swt understands our psychology, and it's common sense! We human beings are attached to our beliefs, we should not abuse one another, or one another idols or Gods, no matter how barbaric we think they are , because people are attached to them. Out of that attachment they may undergo a reflex reaction where they reply in hate. We must be cordial in speech, and argue and debate people with good speech and good manners, rather than resorting to mockery or abuse.

    Quran: "Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided."
     
     
     
    QURAN: "Only through the Divine Mercy have you (Muhammad) been able to deal with your followers so gently. If you had been stern and hard-hearted, they would all have deserted you a long time ago. Forgive them and ask God to forgive (their sins) and consult with them in certain matters. But ,when you reach a decision, trust God. God loves those who trust Him."
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    shadow_of_light reacted to maes in Sunnism In Iran & Mistreatment Of Iranian Sunnis   
    إنا نرى في المسجد رجلا يعلن بسب أعدائكم ويسبهم فقال : ما له لعنه الله تعرض بنا قال الله " ولا تسبوا الذين يدعون 
    http://www.al-shia.org/html/ara/books/lib-hadis/behar71/121.htm
     
    One of followers of Jafar ibn Mohammad (AS) said to him : we have seen a man insulting your enemies vividly at the mosque. Jafar ibn Muhammad (AS) said : may Allah curse him, what is wrong with him, he is exposing us to insults, has not he heard that Allah says :
     
    and do not abuse those whom they call upon besides Allah, lest exceeding the limits they should abuse Allah out of ignorance. (Quran 6:108)
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    shadow_of_light got a reaction from Zendegi in Sunnism In Iran & Mistreatment Of Iranian Sunnis   
    Ok, I gave reasons from Quran, narrations, aql, akhlaq, sunnah and ... that insulting and cusring are forbidden in Islam but you, instead of arguing politely and giving logical reasons, called my words garbage (while I can say the same about your words but I won't) and said that I have a poor understanding (I can say the same about you) and that this is what you expect from pro IRI-folk! (I can say that I cannot expect a better and a more polite and logical behavior from a pro-Shirazism person who believes that insulting is halal!). 
     
    You called my arguments emotional while I gave reasons from Quran and ahadith without insulting you. Now, who is behaving emotionally? The one who insults and uses words like garbage, foolish, lol (which implies mockery) ... or the one who doesn't?! I cannot see even 1 logical sentence in your last reply.
     
     
    Now, I wont continue discussing with you for 2 reasons: 1- you are not polite  2- the way you think is much different from the way I do. I am sure that I cannot convince you and nor can you convince me.
     
     
    p.s1: Radical salafis have the same arguments as yours for killing the innocent. You say that insulting ahl-e bida is halal and they take 1 step further and say killing ahl-e bida/ kafirs is halal and they really believe that shias are kafir.
     
    p.s2: if all muslims believe in that hadith and behave according to it, then they will live in a world of insults and chaos. Because shias believe that sunnis are ahl-e bida and sunnis have the same opinion about shias. So they will start a verbal war against each other which, doubtlessly, will lead to bigger wars and massacre.
     
    p.s 3: You issued a hukm (that insulting is halal) from the narration you posted (not from Quranic verses because no verse orders or allows muslims to curse. Actually Quran orders not to curse, which you try to ignore). So, before calling my understanding poor, try to read my words more carefully.
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    shadow_of_light got a reaction from maes in Sunnism In Iran & Mistreatment Of Iranian Sunnis   
    You forgot the "sixthly" one.
     
    They are going wrong. Our scholars have banned it. Omarkoshun is also illegal. Most people dont crawl or hold Omarkoshun feast. As I said previously, a small minority do it.
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    shadow_of_light got a reaction from maes in Sunnism In Iran & Mistreatment Of Iranian Sunnis   
    Surah Mozammel:
     
    And be patient over what they say and avoid them with gracious avoidance
     
    This is what Quran expects the prophet (s) to behave while facing his enemies.
     
    Surah 3:
     
    So by mercy from Allah , [O Muhammad], you were lenient with them. And if you had been rude [in speech] and harsh in heart, they would have disbanded from about you. So pardon them and ask forgiveness for them and consult them in the matter. And when you have decided, then rely upon Allah . Indeed, Allah loves those who rely [upon Him].
     
    Surah Taha:
    Go, both of you, to Pharaoh. Indeed, he has transgressed. And speak to him with gentle speech that perhaps he may be reminded or fear [ Allah ]."

    Imam Hassan Askari (a):
     
    قُولُوا لِلنّاسِ كُلِّهُم حُسنا مُؤمِنِهُم وَ مُخالِفِهُم، أمّا المؤمِنونَ فَيَبسُطُ لَهُم وَجهَهُ وَ أمّا المُخالِفونَ فَيُكَلِّمُهُم بِالمُداراةِ لاِجتِذابِهِم اِلىَ اليمانِ. فَاِنِ استَتَرَ مِن ذلِكَ بِكفِّ شُرورِهم عَن نَفسِهِ وَ عَن اِخوانِهِ المُؤمِنينَ

     
    They are deviants.

    It is called tatbir and many scholars have banned it. It has no root in shia faith. There is no logical or religious reason for doing it. And in Iran it is completely forbidden.
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    shadow_of_light got a reaction from maes in Sunnism In Iran & Mistreatment Of Iranian Sunnis   
    Revolving Ace;
     
    If by "سب" you mean cursing, then it is in contradiction with the verse which says لاتسبوا. Your narration says "curse a lot" while Quran says "don't curse" (As to "qaid", I already explained it).
     
    As I mentioned earlier, you cannot issue a "hukm" (rule) from 1 single narration (which is also in sharp contrast with other narrations). This is what shia scholars say.
     
    As to Nahj-al Balagha, how can one Imam detest cursing and ask his followers not to curse while the other Imam encourage them to curse? This is another contradiction. And why didn't the Prophet (s) and Imams(a) themselves behave in this way?! Why didn't they celebrate Omarkoshun or hold similar feasts? In fact, they tried, as much as possible, to guide their opponents through their good deeds and behaviours. Note that saying, for example, "O God, send la'nat on our enemies" isn't rude but it means asking God to punish their enemies for their crimes.
     
    The words and poems said by Omarkoshun participants are not comparable to, for example, the word cattle in the verse you posted. They are much worse. For example, they call sunnis "bas..rd" which is very offensive. Isnt calling someone "bas...rd) (which means accusing his parents of adultery) without having reliable strong evidence considered a "fisq" according to Quran/ surah Nour?
     
     
    You said that you are not in support of public insulting. But when you insult in private while everyone knows what you say and everyone knows that you celebrate Omarkoshun on that day, then it is not different from public insulting.
     
    Furthermore, what is the benefit of insulting? Can you really mention just one benefit of insulting? If you want to show that they are doing wrong, you can talk about their bad deeds. There is no need to curse or insult. It has only negative outcomes and no positive aspect. By insulting and cursing, you will make sunnis hate shias more and therefore, more lives will be in danger.
     
    A believer should respect himself and control his tongue. There are also another narrations which I may post here later.
     
    As you know, there are 4 sources for issuing religious hukms:1-Quran 2- Sunnah 3- aql 4- اجماع
    The first 3 ones don't approve of cursing, and as the forth one, at least here, the majority of scholars like A. Khamenei, A. Makarem Shirazi, A. Sanei and many others believe that it is haram to celebrate Omarkoshun or hold such feasts.
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    shadow_of_light got a reaction from maes in Sunnism In Iran & Mistreatment Of Iranian Sunnis   
    I dont have enough time for a long discussion so I will respond briefly.
     
    As to the hadith you mentioned:
     
    Scholars have different opinions about the meaning of "باهتوا". This is what Allameh Majlesi said:
     
    « و الظاهر أن المراد بالمباهتة إلزامهم بالحجج القاطعة و جعلهم متحیرین و یحتمل أن یکون من البهتان للمصلحة»(مرآة العقول فی شرح أخبار آل الرسول، ج‏11، ص: 81)
     
    Even if the word means insulting, which I personally dont believe so, we cannot conclude from one single hadith that insulting them is allowed in Islam (Ay. Brujerdi also mentioned it).
     
    If by the word باهتوا you mean saing rude words or telling lies about them, it is totally forbidden in Islam. And of course a true muslim doesnt need to be rude or tell lie to prove his beliefs.
     
    As to the verse, even if there is any "qaid", we know that some sunnis will insult our Imams (esp. Imam Mahdi, because they really dont believe him) if they see us insulting their caliphs. So, the verse was quite relevant to this subject.
     
    As to Imam Ali's advice, it is in Nahj-al-Balagha:
     
    اني أكره أن تكونوا سبابين، و لكنكم لو وصفتم أعمالهم و ذكرتم حالهم كان أصوب في القول و أبلغ في العذر
     
     
    And this is what Quran says in another surah:
     
    يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ كُونُواْ قَوَّامِينَ لِلّهِ شُهَدَاء بِالْقِسْطِ وَلاَ يَجْرِمَنَّكُمْ شَنَآنُ قَوْمٍ عَلَى أَلاَّ تَعْدِلُواْ اعْدِلُواْ هُوَ أَقْرَبُ لِلتَّقْوَى وَاتَّقُواْ اللّهَ إِنَّ اللّهَ خَبِيرٌ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ

     
    Dont you agree that what Quran says is more reliable than  what 1 single hadith says?
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    shadow_of_light got a reaction from maes in Sunnism In Iran & Mistreatment Of Iranian Sunnis   
    In which hadith does the Prophet(s) tell us to insult ahl-e bida? If by insult, you mean saying offensive words, then it is forbidden in Islam. Imam Ali(a) also recommends his soldiers not to abuse their enemies verbally but instead remind their wrong deeds. There is another hadith which says paradise is forbidden to people who curse (or maybe indulge in cursing) and that Allah doesn't like such people.
     
    You aksed me not to call anyone deviant because it is takfeer but you yourself called Rumi deviant in another topic! And by the way, takfeer means calling someone kafir and I didn't do it. I am not saying they are kafir but that they are in a wrong path and I said it based on Quranic verses and Ahadith.

    6/108:
    And do nut insult those who invoke other than Allah lest they insult Allah in their enmity without knowledge.
     
    Disregarding ethical reasons for not insulting, when your behavior is offensive to sunnis or you curse their caliphs, they will do the same and curse our Imams.
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    shadow_of_light got a reaction from Aabiss_Shakari in Sunnism In Iran & Mistreatment Of Iranian Sunnis   
    1.As many as 90% of all Shias living in Iran are non-religious, and many have become murtads and followers of Christianity, agnosticism, Zoroastrianism, and Atheism........90%???!!!!This is completely wrong. Most people, in my opinion, are half-religious. And by the way, you cannot say someone is religious or not just by seeing his/ her appearance.
    2.Also, I have read about how Iranian Shiism is like Zoroastrianism, and has Zoroastrian influences such as Nowruz, Omar Koshan etc....Again wrong. Noruz is just a cultural event and it has also been influenced by some Islamic beliefs. For example, people put Quran in their "haft-seen" tables and utter an Islamic Arabic prayer as soon as the new year begins and go to their relatives' homes to visit them and as you know, Islam emphasizes the importance of "seleye rahem". As to Omarkoshun, it is only practiced by a group of deviated people who are a small minority and follow Ayatollah Sadegh Shirazi and this hateful event is banned by the government and other shia marjas and moreover, the majority of shias here, dislike it.
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    shadow_of_light got a reaction from Zendegi in Sunnism In Iran & Mistreatment Of Iranian Sunnis   
    1.As many as 90% of all Shias living in Iran are non-religious, and many have become murtads and followers of Christianity, agnosticism, Zoroastrianism, and Atheism........90%???!!!!This is completely wrong. Most people, in my opinion, are half-religious. And by the way, you cannot say someone is religious or not just by seeing his/ her appearance.
    2.Also, I have read about how Iranian Shiism is like Zoroastrianism, and has Zoroastrian influences such as Nowruz, Omar Koshan etc....Again wrong. Noruz is just a cultural event and it has also been influenced by some Islamic beliefs. For example, people put Quran in their "haft-seen" tables and utter an Islamic Arabic prayer as soon as the new year begins and go to their relatives' homes to visit them and as you know, Islam emphasizes the importance of "seleye rahem". As to Omarkoshun, it is only practiced by a group of deviated people who are a small minority and follow Ayatollah Sadegh Shirazi and this hateful event is banned by the government and other shia marjas and moreover, the majority of shias here, dislike it.
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    shadow_of_light reacted to mina in Someone Knowledgable Please Reply   
    No one said he is infallible,but he is leader of the islamic revolution and waly ul faqih.So he is not "only" a marja.
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    shadow_of_light reacted to Hameedeh in Sunnism In Iran & Mistreatment Of Iranian Sunnis   
    Someone posted this video before. An international journalist went to Iran to investigate how the Sunnis live.
     
    Sunnis in Iran (How Sunni Muslims live in a Shiite country?)

     
     
     
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    shadow_of_light got a reaction from hasanhh in Study In Iran For Foreigners   
    What do you expect from ignorant teenagers who ridicule each other just because of football match?! They even make jokes about different ethnic groups in Iran (Persians, Turks, Lurs, ...) while their own parents belong to these groups. But most adults dont dislike black people.
    Which comedy are you talking about? Haji Firuz is a traditional characteristic. It was not created to offend black people. Anyway, I am not interested in this figure.
    The word "siah poost", by itself, is not a racist word. It means someone who has a black skin. "Sefid poost" means someone who has a white skin. But, yes, depending on the context, it can be offensive.
    As to your last line, I belive that racism is what Pahlavi dynasty created in Iran. You may have heard some things about "The 2500 year celebration of the Persian Empire ". Beforehand, we did not have such celebration!!! Even many of the scholars in different fields wrote their books in Arabic and it shows that they were not racist.
    There are many websites and channels which brainwash the youth every day. They say that Arabs and Islam are the reason of our misery. They destroyed our civilization. We are Aryans. We are children of Cyrus. We dont need an Arabic religion and ...
    Anyway, as I said, I am very sad to see this stupid racism in my country :cry:
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    shadow_of_light got a reaction from hasanhh in Study In Iran For Foreigners   
    Yes I know that UNFORTUNATELY some people of my country (not the majority) are racist and I mostly blame Pahlavi dynasty and the channels I mentioned above for it.
    Many Iranians even dont know that Afghans are very close to them ethnically and culturally.
    Some of them hate Mongols because several centuries ago they attacked Iran and destroyed our civilization (they had a rule according to which, they had to destroy any living being even trees and animals). I personally hate those Mongols but not those ones who live in our time. Every one is responsible for his own deeds not for his ancestors'.
    Some Iranians hate Arabs because they attacked Iran at the time Of Ummar. Some believe that Arabs destroyed Persian civilization. But I believe that Islam speeded up our civilization. It is why during Islamic era, we had a lot of scientists but during Sassanid era, we had very few scientists (because ordinary citizens didnt have any right to education).
    Some Iranians also hate Arabs because they have seen some bad behaviours from them. But it is not fair to generalize about the whole people of a nation.
    I personally, only hate bad people and I dont care their race or religion. If they are good people, I respect them.
    As to black people from Africa or Latin America, I think many people have better attitudes towards them. I know a black woman from Latin America who married an Iranian man.
    As to owning lands, yes, foreigners can not own land. It is a rule in many countries because it may cause some problems (remember how zionists occupied Palestine through buying their lands).
    But foreign citizens can have bank accounts if they fulfil the requirements.
    As to owning cars, I dont have any information but I think many foreign ambassadors have their own cars.
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    shadow_of_light reacted to Momina Ali in Zenjeel And Tatbeer   
    How can you claim to inflict body cuts here and there over you and understand the pain of Imam?
    How can you claim to understand the feelings of threat, scare, humiliation, insult, terrified feeling, torture, hurt and pain of a  family/father for losing everything, including closest family like 2 beautiful sons, brothers with courage like lions, brave friends, and slaves, loss of family and dear ones in one day in a matter of few hours),3 days thirst-hunger, homelessness, loss of dignity, fear of one’s family/sister's molestation, and child’s hunger, supreme sacrifice of loss of one’s life and innumerable other sacrifices; all of these feelings by hurting yourself here and there and shedding some blood to be able to be happily healing back?
    Why is this experience acceptable among Shia and needed, as it does not make sense as it was NOT the message of Zainab (A.S) nor expectations of our great Imam.
     
    This zulm was instigated NOT from the family of Prophet (S.A.A.W)(P.B.U.H) . However after several years, as a form of emotional blackmail from self vested interests of certain mimbar, who will have to answer for every drop of blood of innocent Shia youth, on the day of judgment when they are facing AllahTallah.
     
    Why would certain shia' go against principles of Islam and against the will of  Imam Hussein (A.S.), who never wanted innocent blood spilt? To experience what? for whom?
     
    How can you rationalize hurting yourself here and there with zanzeer and spilling blood in name of someone whose sacrifices everything but NEVER wanted INNOCENT SHIA blood to be spilled?
    Why will you dishonor the expectations of malis, poorsa, marasia and matam of Janabe Zainab (A.S) by undertaking one action, that Islam forbids the most? Self mutilation………    
     
    You are smart enough to know that promoting suicide or mutilation, as hurting oneself can cause irreparable emotional and psychological damage to a young person’s spirit and body, who sometimes wants to try new things in forms of adventure or new experiencing , not fully understanding the impact of this action?
     
     How can you from mimbar that it is OK this is allowed in Islam and Imam Hussein will be glad to see such a bloodshed and bodily damage for the sake of his love from your side? In everyday life also we do not give a gift to our mom or anyone which they severely dislike?
     
    Islam even prohibits  piercing and tattooing so how can you emotionally blackmail shais’ from Mimbar and announce that  Rasulilha’s (S.A.A.W) dear religion says it is OK to do zanjeer matam, to realize the pain of Imam Hussein (A.S.)?
     
    Do you think you will escape from Allah’s wrath, for this zulm caused on innocent shia men as a direct effect of your speech? No! you will have to answer for every drop of their blood loss of an innocent shia lover of Imam occurring after conducting zanjeer matam caused as direct result of YOUR /encouragement/instigation OF YOUR SPEECH FROM MIMBAR/ POSTS?
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