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  1. az zubair did the thing al hur did , before hur does it.
  2. sorry I didn't have all my books with me when I wrote it, you are right Taair-al-Quds we(sunnis n shia) cant just copy from our scholars book always, the names of of the scholars u mentioned are nothing compared to Ath Hahabi, Ibn Hajjr , and even the other names that I have not listed. Was Salam Alykom I am salafi, how can I be your brother when you are anti me ? then don't think that I don't check what great scholars say when one say that they said this thing and that. Read my posts and youll know. in 10 mins i found out that many names are added, let alone that their could be fake. and some hindi scholars.
  3. This is religion, tell me which follower of Ali today is controlling the cloud ? those who serve Bush in Iraq or Afghanistan ? I think those are who you mean because they are closer to that. the verse tells you that you are wrong. That was not a human person, it was a Jinn and again the verse answers you. the knoweldge of the book is tought in every era, and as the messenger of Allah says that the knoweldge is carried in every era. What we are talking about is not the knoweldge of the book, we are talking about the knoweldge of the unseen.
  4. Wa'lykom As Salam, He said its weak, I don't know where, but ask any honest Shia scholar and he will tell you because Kolyni is the only shia who did and so he is famous for this. Now let me show you what Sunni's say about this hadith: 1- Al Hafeth ibn Hajjar: wrong hadith, Lisan Al Mizan 1/197 2- Al Albani (may Allah have mercy on him): Mowthoo' (means that its not true and created by someone to say that its from the Prophet.) Selselat Al Ahadeeth Al Tha'eefa 518, 6 3- Al Qurtobi: This is a false hadith. 5, 9, 220 4- Al Haiythami: the hadith has Abdel As Salam ibn Hafeth, who is weak. 144,9 5- Ibn Al Qaym Al Jawzi: the hadith has Omer ibn Ismael who is not to be trusted. 205,2 And there are more. When you say Ali, may Allah be pleased of him, is the door for knoweldge then you are contradicting the shia belief that says that the Imams knoweldge is Ladoni, and this could also be a short answer for those non tawheed ideas that says the imams knows the knoweldge of the unseen. Because Mohammed, peace be upon him, is the city of the knoweldge and Ali is the door. So after the Prophet's death Ali had the knoweldge of the unseen, it wasn't through the Prophet , it was through Allah as you believe. And when you say that the knoweldge of Imams is Ladoni, then the Prophet is a city and Ali is another city. The companions of the Messenger of Allah are many, Ali may Allah be pleased with him, is one of his best companions but knowledge was transmitted to outside Hijaz (Meccah and Al Madinah) through other companions as Mauth ibn Jabal in Yemen. Also Al Baraa' ibn Malik in Al Madinah. Ali at that time was with the messenger of Allah in Meccah, while there was a transmitter of the knoweldge of Islam in Al Madinah. The companions/students of Mohammed, peace be upon him are many, during his journys and Ali journys, you cant say that there is only one door to the Prophet. As Aliya says Allah made religion EASY. Was Salam Alykom
  5. What about Ali controlling the movements of the clouds ?
  6. When you have finished As-Salat (the prayer - congregational), remember Allah standing, sitting down, and lying down on your sides, but when you are free from danger, perform As-Salat (Iqamat­as­ Salat). Verily, the prayer is enjoined on the believers at fixed hours. (4:103)
  7. As Salam Alykom, this is a weak hadith. The hadith has been considered weak by Many Sunni scholars, as well as Al Kolyni the Shia. I also checked what At Termethi said, and he continued after the hadith saying, hadith'on Ghareebon monkar, meaning a strange hadith which is not true. Also Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Al Jawzy judge that its an aunthentic hadith. Was Salam Alykom...
  8. I don't mean to be rude or anything, but sounds like an advertise. At Tijani, who proved that he has a strange attitude live , said that before you. Dear sister, when we sunnis say that there is a strong bond between Ahl Al Bayt, peace be upon them, and the Sahaba, may Allah be pleased with them, we don't use taqiyyah in that. We say that because when it comes to hadith that we have got from the salaf, the words from As Sahaba passing the Tabe'een and reached the imams of th 4 fiqhs, are hadiths that have been studied over and over, in the schools of hadith, were people divide hadith to 8 types among them are the authentic and the unathentic. They study the course of Elm Al Jarh Wa Tad'deel, Elm Ar Rejjal, The Sahihs, today this is a course of 4 years in Uni. This means nothing to us Sunnis, because Shia is the only sect in Islam that believe the Messengers of Allah are not better than the family of the Prophet. I am a Sunni my father never told me a story in religion, instead he told me how great was George Washington. The only story I heard, that he said about religion, is because of me having a long hair, disobying him to cut, and he told my family about the story about Ibrahim's son when he told his father "do what you have been ordered" and he wanted me to be like this son, peace be upon him. and By Allah, I remember my mum telling me the story of Al Hussian when I was between 8 or 10 years old. And telling me what they did to him when they cut off his head, and till today she asks me that call my son Al Hassan or Al Hussian when I have one. She also gave me the poems of Ali, may Allah be pleased to him to read. She also tells me to send her emails about Zain Al Abedin, Ja'ffer As Saddiq, Al Hassan and Al Hussian, Ali and Fatima, may Allah be pleased with them, so the environment you say u grew up in, and say that its a sunnis one , is not as mine, and as other sunnis and Allah is my witness. Ok your father didn't tell you that ? Havent you went to school ? What happened in Karbla is just like what happened in Al Madinah...yet Karbala became a holy city after Al Madinah (bed'ah) Didnt' your husband tell you what happened to Othman ? Didn't he tell you that the man who killed Omer was a Majoosi, worshipping fire, and today he is called baba (referring him as their fathers) shoja3 Ad Deen, of the brave religion his nickname. I would like to tell you that those who took the Khalifah of Ali, as you say, are not the same of who killed Ali, may Allah be pleased with him. Abu Bakr, doesn't need some1 to accept his Khalifah today, at his time the nation was united under the banner he carried. More than Milliare muslim today accept him, let alone who passed away, may Allah have mercy on them. i never read any topic that would cures the sahaba after that there were a few ppl who i loved reading there post they would get info from sunni books to prove there point Now, Shia curse and slander a lot, in fact, in most of their online discussions with Sunnis(not christians) they do that, so i understand that you havent read only 10 posts ? If you would wanted to reach the truth then know the truth. E3rf Al Haq ta3rf Ahleh, know the truth and youll know its people, not vice versa. And the Sunni books answered the shobhaat in that hadith. But you were not reading the sunni books, u were reading what random sunnis say, and what shia would copy from their scholars in their websites. Then the praising of the companions in the Quran is more than the praising of Ahl Al Bayt in the Quran. Thats because the number of the companions was more, n shia say only 6 or 7 of the companions were good. Then in the Quran, there is no verse that says hate Aishah and you will go to heaven. <<looking (sounds like At Tijani) <<thinking what am I doing here ? In sha'Allah guide guides me and you and every Muslim who says that there is no Lord but Allah to the right path. No I didn't. In other words, use taqiyyah, and thanks for that although u call what in our books is lies in front of us, in a message of advice and guidness, this last advice will do. I don't mean to be rude, but your way of telling the story is just like At Tijani way, implying sunnis are nasibis who doesnt give Ali the respect he should have. Then he mentions the arguments with sunnis, and how it effected him, I have a book here called Yes I converted to Islam and here is why... no one of the those non muslim backgrounds said thay had arguements with a priest, or any other person in terms of what happened in religion. Thats my point. Was Salam Alykom.
  9. No Al Hassan is considered the fith of the rightly guided Khalifah, some people say Omer ibn Abdel Aziz tho, but in my openion, the openion of As Salabi the scholar, Al Hassan is the 5th one. You find many scholars writting about The Khulfa Ar Rashidoon, one by one, but when it comes after Ali, they right Al Hassan. Then why does Shia not call Al Hassan Amir Al Mo'mineen ? In fact, we call Al Hassan, Sayyid=Chief, because he has made the Prophet saying come true when he proved that he was a Sayyid, when he signed a peace treaty with Muawayiyah, and the Sayyid is who makes peace.
  10. he was improsined by the sufis many times such as Ali Bakri, the sunni scholars asked him to be arrested, then when they read his book they agreed with him and released him, the sunni government then arrested him for not releasing a fatwa to opress people. He was also arrested for saying that 3 divorce = to 1. And I ask every just shia to not judge Ibn Taymiyyah with what non sunni scholars says, if you want to know the person, then read his books, logically, by removing the hatred from your heart and openning your mind for him don't try to critisize him, but also think carefully of what he say and you will know the truth In sha' Allah. The books I recomand you read is 1- Al Aqeedah Al Wasatiyah, the balanced creed. 2- Ash-Shahadah Az Zakiya be Thnaa' Al Aemamah 3la ibn taymiyyah, the pure witness of the Imams in praising ibn taymiyyah. a book that says what the biggest sunnis Imams like Ath Thahabi, Ibn Hajr say about Ibn Taymiyyah. 3- Jalaa' Al Aynayn fee Moha7kamat Al Ahmadyn. The clear eyes in judging the two Ahmeds. This is a book written by an Iraqi from the family of Hashim, he is an Alawi, Khayr Ad Deen Noman Al Aloosi. He compares the point of view of ibn taymiyyah and those who doesnt agree with him. This man proved that many of what has been said about ibn taymiyyah is wrong, but referencing what ibn taymiyyah said his 18 books and his messages. Was Salam Alykom. many hated Ali don't you know how many armies fought against him ? there was curses and insults when the two armies met. Its non of ur business if i disagree or not with my Imam, for I have seen your behavior that doesn't encourge a debate.
  11. Wa Alykom As Salam, I thank you for your behavior, All of the Sunnis fiqhs believe that Ali is the 4th Khalifah, I am a Hanbali, so I educated myself more in the Hanbali school, which is the fiqh that Ibn Taymiyyah and Mohammed ibn Abdel Al Wahab followed, when you read what Ibn Taymiyyah says, you know that all fiqh believs that Ali was one of the rightly guided Khalifahs. here are examples of what he says in Manhaj As Sunnah, which he expresses the Sunnis belief of all fiqhs, comparing it with Shia and the Nawasib who killed Ali: "They all agree (Sunni fiqhs) that he (Ali) is of a high level, deserving the Imamah (he means leading Muslims but not of the shia perspective of Imamah), and that Allah, His messenger, and believers consider him (Ali) better than Muawiyah, his father, btter than his brother who was better than him (Yazeed ibn Abi Suffyan better than Abu Suffyan).... " manhaj as sunnah 396/4 so he says that all Sunnis agrees with Ali virtues and Imamah. Mohammed ibn Abdel Wahab also, a Hanbali said : "The rights of family of the Prophet,peace be upon him, are rights that no one else shares it with them, they deserve more love and loyalty than any other Qurashi tribe, and Quraysh deserve more rights than other tribes" this is in masa2l lakhasha 51/1 Ahmed ibn Hanbal Also said: Al Bayhaqi narrated that Ahmed ibn Hanbal said "The Khalifahs are Abu Bakr, Omer, Othman and Ali." So he was asked "what about Muawiyah?" He replied "No one was better than Ali at the time of Ali, to be the Khalifah, may Allah forgive Muwaiyah" Imam Al Shafe'ee, of the Shafe'ee sect says: I witness that there is no Lord but Allah I witness that he sent the truth that He continued (to the end) And that the belt of eman(belief) is the clear talk And the right action that could be increased and decreased And that Abu Bakr is the Khalifah of his Lord And that Abu Hafs(Omer) was comitted to the good And I witness my Lord that Othman is great And that Ali's virtues are special Imams are men who people are guided by their guidness May Allah uglys who decrease their levels. please excuse my poor translation. Was Salam Alykom
  12. I didn't want to send you the books, I was guna send to who accused Ibn Taymiyyah if not being a Sunni. 2- Imam Ali as.gif was hated by a lot of Sahaba and Tabe'en. He was even fought and insulted by them. Minhaj Al Sunnah, book 7, page 138 *--We believe that there was wars at that time of Ali, war is bigger than hatred. In this point, the author was replying to a Shia who said that Ayat al Walayah Ma7soora/kept for Ali, may Allah be pleased with him. So here, he explains that this did happen. Al Hajaj for example, is one of the taba'en who hated the Imam and order people to curse him in Iraq. Others used to claim that Ali killed their fathers and grandfathers and this is not true. I agree that a lot of At Taba'een between the time of Muawiyah and Omar ibn Abdel Aziz hated Ali, but I disagree with the author when he says a lot of As Sahaba hated the Imam. this is from this thread: http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=88353 And yes there were people who hated Ali, Like Al Hajaj from the Tabe'een and also from the companions like Bareedah , who said to the Messenger of Allah "Yes" when the Prophet asked him if he hates Ali. But, from our interpertion, Abu Bakr and Omar didn't hate Ali and Ali didn't hate them. Subhan Allah, I knew that one of your claims would be in one of those points, thats y i replied directly to u, maybe because in your books to "answer" Sunnis are all copying from each other, and God knows best.
  13. I have explained in this in post 29, here http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?sh...91200&st=25 + Read the title of the thread, in fact the answer of this question would be about 12 points if you wana know then lets open a new thread about the politics of the persian empire. I don't hate the people of Iran, the sunnis and shia of them my brothers (unless they dont want that, then maybe friends ?) As long as they follow the pillars of Islam then they are Muslims. But, what I am saying is that history, presence does not carry good facts about that empire. thats not true, Islam during Muawiyah time reached the city of Ceaser, and Al Hassan, Al Hussian were in that army. Today Islam that holds between 85% to 89& sunnis, stretchs from Nigeria to Indonsia. And thanks God for this grace that their people have granted. wasn't rival, Persia was way stronger and advanced, they even used to make fun of Arabs, and the messenger of Allah, you all know what they did when the messenger of Allah called them to Islam, and there is another incident when there was a war between them and the Muslims, during Omars Khalifah, when they said to the Muslims, we know that you came from the desert...things I cant remember..then the Muslims replied, you have described in a way which is not true..cant remember exactlywhat they said later very rheotric, if you are concered about this point then Ill bring it our for u in reference. Yes, when Omar ruined their fire. and so they sent the "baba shoja3 Ad Deen" to kill him. true, so the spritual comitment as our sufi brothers says, the connection to God, by prayer and Zakkah should be done (not sayin that u dont) and Also the Islamic social comitment, which is serving the religion of Allah and not help in disadvanting it (Which contradicts what did khomeini write, in praising the Qaramitah, ex: Nasir- At Tusi) Was Salam Alykom
  14. This is an example of what is called expanding the persian empire, or as king Fahed said the shia crescent.
  15. Subhan Allah, prove what you say... do u read Arabic ? I'll send you his books and you judge.
  16. Wa'lykom As Salam, urinating while standing up, is ja'ez , and its also there in Al Kaffi.
  17. the reason of this hadith are 2 things: 1- When Bareedah, went and complained about Ali, to the messenger of Allah, so the messenger, peace be upon him, asked Bareedah, do u hate Ali ? Bareedah said yes. Then the Prophet said "dont hate him, he has from khoms whats more than that" sahih al bukhari, kitab al maghazim, bab b3that Ali wa Khalid ela al yemen raqm 4350 and in another narration the Prophet said "min konto mawlah fa 3aliyon mwlah" which is in At Termethi, kitab Al Manaqib, Manaqib Ali. 2- when Malik Ibn Saeed, disobeyed Ali, the messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, praised Ali. and this story in in al bedayah wal nehayah (the beginning and ending) the most authentic history book , in the Arab world 95/5 So when the messenger of Allah, saw that people started to complain about Ali, he didnt say it in Meccah, or in the day of Arafah, he said that when he went back to Al Madinah, because those who spoke about Ali were from the people of Al Madinah, and they were the one in his sarya, or from his troops. Ghadeer Khum is in Al Jo'fa, the distance between it and Meccah is about 250 km, come and check it. So when you say that its where the hujaj or pligmiragers starts dividing, and go back to where they come from, its wrong, because the pligmiragers meet in Meccah and depart there, not 250 km away from Meccah. The ones who were with the messenger of Allah, were all the citizens of Al Madinah, or who came from the direction of Al Madinah, and they are the people who the Prophet, peace be upon him, lectured. The main disagrement, is as I think some1 mentioned before, which is that Shia says that this means that Ali, karm Allah wajhoh should be the leader, and Sunnis says, this hadith means loving Ali and helping him. And the stop that the Muslims and the messenger of Allah took, was not just to point this out, although Ali deserves more as his actions and prophet saying says. But the stop was because the Prophet wanted to rest himself and the Muslims. The distance between Meccah and Al Madinah is 6 to 7 days at that time. So the Prophet, peace be upon him, mentioned Allah, and reminded the Muslims with the Quran and his family, following, respecting them. Then after that he the Prophet, peace be upon him, signified the response against what has happened against Ali. Was Salam Alykom
  18. (bismillah) As Salam Alykom, whats intresting that At Tijani continued saying "Wa hatha an ns mojma3 3alyah min as sunnah wal ashia" "and this text is commonly narrated (in both) between As Sunnah and Shia" pg 165 And this is false. No one congragulated Ali, karm Allah wajhoh, after the incident, no one from the believers, let alone Abu Bakr and Omar, may Allah be pleased with them. where did the sunnah books say that they congragulated him ? where can we find the common( he said ejma3 means all the sahih books narrates it that way) narration of his hadith ? First of All, its not in Al Bukhari, its in the musnad of Imam Ahmed, Rahmoho Allah. and only in Musnad Ahmed, so there is no ejma3. Secondly, the hadith is narrated by Ali ibn Zayd ibn Jad'aan, and here is what the early scholars said about him: 1- Hamed ibn Zayd: He used to confuse the asaneed 2- Ibn Khazemah: you can't depend on him, because of his bad memorization. 3- Ib Oyaynah: unathentic narrater. 4- Yaha Al Qattan: his hadiths are not trusted. 5- Ibn Maeen: he is not good enough. (in terms of hadith) 6- Ahmed ibn Hanbal: unathentic 7- Ibn Razee' : he was a shia. I even have other sayings about him, by Al Bukhari and other scholars , but didn't type it, similar views. Was Salam Alykom
  19. As Salam Alykom, brother can you show me this hadith, because what i know is that an old woman come to the Prophet and asked him for help, then she said afa ra'yt in lam ajidk ? meaning but If i didnt find you ? he said then go to Abu Bakr, and Im not sure if then he says omar and Othman, may Allah be pleased with him, I just want to see if u have this verision of hadith that you mentioned, you could be right. Was Salam Alykom
  20. Sheikh Al Islam Ibn Taymiyyah, I respect him very much
  21. Islam erases everything that is before it, this is from fiqh. Its like saying that Quran didnt set rules against slavery, so why should we stop slavery ? This is the creed of the Quraniyeen, who believes the one should only take from Quran and strip the sunnah off. We sunnis, believe that Quran and the sahih of the sunnah are the essential laws and tradition of the creed, you cant walk with one leg. thats completely false, the nation at the time of Abu Bakr and Omar was united, muslims didnt fight against each other. The sword was not between them. I don't think the rest of shia agree with u in this, this is completely strange, not believing that Islam washs aways what people do before it, it also contradicts other verses of the Quran. [MOD NOTE: EDITED TO REMOVE INFLAMMATORY COMMENTS FROM QUOTED POST]
  22. Wa'lykom As Salam Brother, I said in my openion, to avoid viewing the sects differently, but if u ask any sunni if Abu Talib was a muslim or non-muslim then he would say , non-muslim, and you know that, but it seems that your hatred towards me makes u try to point me wrong in any way. the things u said about Omar, may Allah be pleased with him, are all wrong, at least in my openion. I have explained why in different posts. for example the bed'ah and battlefield thing somewhere else, i don't remember where exactly. I agree, everyone have the right to talk about his openion, I never said don't talk about your openion, nor spoken against you in that ! It would also be nice if you explain more about that to your moderator. then arent you the one who said never mind what other thinks, in a pervious thread ? Was Salam Alykom
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