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The Shia`s won the election with a major amount of votes. I don't know why you bring in the Irani's. We were talking of Iraqi Shia's forming the Government, not Irani's. And yes, this is an example of oppression; they won the seats in a democracy. You sit weeping over the fact, wanting to ensure it doenn't happen.
you forgot to mention the fact that sunnis won a lot of seats this time round , even though they are not in majority, so much that shias coudln't even form a majority govt, since they divide themselves amongst sects over sects for no good reason !
and i am involving iran in this because a mod here talked about bringing iranians into equation. Anyway, an iranian cleric is already governing iraq. He should go back to iran !
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Would you still talk like this if we bombed Omar's grave?
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So you are OPENLY admitting of thinking of attacking Great Caliph's (ra) grave???? :o
This is outrageous an act, the rafidhis first attacked makkah and now madina ? why are you behaving like yazid (ra) now?
If you are going to bomb great caliph's grave, we will rebuild it in no time and will ban all rafidhis from entering madina ever again !
(salam)I can't talk about the mod's action, he talks for himself. The conversation was between us.
And yes, do ask, there was Shia oppression before he 1991 uprising in Najaf and Kerbala.
Wa`Salaam
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No there was not, only kurds were oppressed by the saddam regime, which wasn't perfect just like khomayni's wasn't!
Salaam,Im nearly sure its Haram, I read about in "Kitab al Tawhid" by Shaykh Muhammad Ibn al-Wahhab.... And the Masjid of Nabi (saas) is only a Mosque, I will not go there to see a grave, I go to worhip Allah (SWT), he alone is infallible, and worthy of worship
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Mashallah bro, he would have even destroyed prohet Muhammed's (saw) grave if he had a chance like yazid?
mashallah, yazid's sunnah isn't haraam upon us, since the sahaba are like stars , whomsoever we follow will lead us to jannah
Imam Mahdi ??? Are they illiterate ?No mention abt grandson of Holy Prophet (SAWA)...Beauty, thats the only thing they can see...
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it is imam mahd's hiding place, isn't it? isn't it the place or the cave from where imam mahdi hid himself?
by sending blessing on Yazid, accusing 'rafidis' of attacking the kaaba and calling it the hiding place of Imam (as), which is the typical nasibi rhetoric you have crossed the line and there is no place for you here, go and spread your yazidi venom elsewhere.
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However, this 'liberation' of Iraq was not out of pure goodwill to the Iraq's, but for ulterior motive. Agreed, America had a reason for 'liberating' Iraq. But, wih a Shia (majority) government forming soon, Inshallah, America should have no reason to stay on in Iraq as uninvited guests. Hopefuly, they will be shown to the door.
and naudhubillah, iranian forces waiting on the footsteps?
Sunnis will never let it happen, By the beard of Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddique (ra) :mad:
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"Uninspired", I think you are being a little insensitive...
Lol bro, i am not being insensitive. Suppose if naudhubillah hazrat imam abu hanifa's (ra) mosque gets bombed by the [Edited Out]e extremists somehow, we won't mourn or cut ourselves into halves. We would just rebuild the mosque and stop crying over it for like 1400 years.
lol , they edited "s h i i t e" :D
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Call me ignorant, but I was told that its Haram to have a grave marker... is this correct, is a religious grave ok to mark? huh.gif Will talk to my Imam about it tommorrow... He is from Makkah, even the Kings of KSA are buried in unmarked graves, and they are the guardians of the shrines.... according to Shaykh Muhammad smile.gif
Lol actually bro it isn't haraam to have shrines with gravemarks, that is why we have Hadhrat Omar Farooq Azam(ra) and Hadrat Abu bakr Siddique's (ra) grave intact in Madina un Nabi (saw)
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^^^(salam)
The Shrine is similar to the place where the Prophet is buried. It was a mosque where our two Imams have been buried. The 10th Imam, Ali Al Hadi, and the 11th Imam, Imam Hasan Al Askari. If you scroll back a little, I've posted information off the bbcnews.com site about the Shrine. It actually is an intresting read and will provide you with more information.
Wa`Salaam
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The shrine is NOWAY similar to the shrine of Prophet (saw), if it wasn't for Prophet(saw) there would have been no syeds nor shia imams!
It isn't sunni fault that our great caliphs Omar(ra) and Abu Bakr(ra) are buried alongside Prophet (saw) :D
(salam)You already have many 'Arabs' who have sneaked in and are creating havoc (insurgents). I;d be careful wishing for more....
Wa`Salaam
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Actually, these are baseless accusations by the amriKKKans and zionists, i am shocked to see shias believing in this, even though they follow "mintaq" ( logic )
But since you are willing to believe it and even thinking about bringing iranian and lebanese soldiers in to the country, it will only give sunni countries green flag to send their troops into the country. You see, pakistan is already in the waiting list :D
The Imam of our time (May Allah SWT hasten his reappearance) is in Iraq overcome by grief of what has happened to the shrine of his beloved father cry.gif cry.gif cry.gifI told you, it only will take a month to repair the shrine, how hard is that?!
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(salam)
You not only talk rot, you also show the standard of your akhlaq.
Pick up any news source, study history, you will clearly see how far Saddam opressed the Shias, even before 1991. I personally know some of the Iraqi Shia's who have suffered under Saddam's rule. At least, the west's involvement has lead to more freedom for the Shias.
Wa`Salaam
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you talk about my akhlaq, check out your rafidhi mod's akhlaq
[quote name=Hezbullahi @ Feb 22 2006' date=' 09:50 PM
Isn't your second caliph waiting for you in his faaggot harem?
And before shia uprising of 91, there was no shia oppression to be had in any case.
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Sorry guys, I deleted my post but I accidently deleted another one before mine.
Sorry i got it saved :D
Isn't your second caliph waiting for you in his faaggot harem?It's against the site's rule and you should be warned for it and then banned .
And prophet's harem is in that harem, you understand you shameless rafidhi :huh:
The Salafis are ALREADY there. You ever thought about that ?!?!!??! And they're not leaving anytime soon. We're not doing a good job in Iraq protecting the Shrines, so it's about time we call more Shia from Iran and Lebanon who are trained and know what their doing and aren't reliant on Ameriknessets to supposedly bring security to Iraq.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well it's high time that sunni nations retaliate in turn if iranians and lebanese send their trained forces to iraq !
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Obviously you aren't shia, so stop putting you devision causing tongue between us.
How could you even post something like saying that iranians should get involved in iraq?
Why should the sunnis NOT be involved in this situation then? Sunnis ought to bring Salafis from saudiyyah to "control" iraq the way shias are talking about bringing iranian influence into the region !
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Are you Il Nino and Paradusi :dry: ...why on earth would Iran and Islamic shia country want to destroy the shrine of an imam (as) they truly believe in...are you out of your mind?!?!
If there is any foreign involvement its blatently the Americans :mad:
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Fine, stop blaming sunnis ! :mad:
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We are all hurt and in mourning so plz refrain from insulting Iranian brothers...
Seriously, there is no need to mourn so get over it and rebuild the shrine ASAP. Seriously, it won't even take a month !
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30 years of Baathist rule has shown who has oppressed, and who has been opressed.
Yo, shias have been "oppressed" only after they try to overthrow the saddam govt. by hoping to get the west involved in the revolution attempt in 91, like they are hoping to get west involved in them governing the country nowadays.
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Maybe it's about time Iranians took over.
That's what i am talking about, foreign involvement.
How can we deny a tiny possibility of iran organising such acts against the shrines insomuch that they take over ? Why blame the sunnis when there are foreign powers like iranians involved ? :sick:
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Why don't you get rid of us sunnis by oppressing us that all of us leave iraq, and then practise shia islam freely?
That's what saudi arabia and jordan are afraid of , that's what they told us in the press conference today or day before, i am not so sure!
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What's the point of rebuilding it , when you know that us sunnis are going to blow it up again ?
Don't miss the sarcasm !
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When the moment is right, can ShiaChat organise a collection of funds for rebuilding the Shrine? (A collective effort on pur part, similar to the Orphan sponsership).
Wa`Salaam
The moment is right... RIGHT NOW.
Honestly, what is the need for creating a shrine now? Keep it simple, shias are famous for being humble and extravagance isn't needed.
Wa Salaam
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It might be a joint-venture between our beloved Salafi brothers and their American/Zionist cousins.
Then Hamas are also "salafi" by definition, why is their delegation in iran then?
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What are you talking about? The Shrine of Imam Jafar Al-Sadiq himself has been demolished by the so-called puritan Sunnis; the graves of his father (Al-Imam Muhammad Al-Baqir) along with the graves of his grandfather (Al-Imam Ali Al-Sajjad) has also been destroyed in Al-Baqee3 – So why wouldn’t some puritanical and extremist blocks within the Sunnis actually destroy those Holy Graves in which they consider those Shrines ‘Houses of Polytheism’?
I think you are confusing sunnis with wahhabis.
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(bismillah)
First of all; those who lost their power would do anything to get it back. Also; I am not blaming the Iraqi Sunni community, I am blaming foreign elements from Wahabi-land and their Ba’athi sponsors.
Sunnis would never attack a shrine of son of Hazrat Jafar Sadiq (ra)
Second of all, no news agency has said that ONE Sunni mosque has been demolished; it says that several Sunni mosques have been marked by bullets while three Sunni Imams have been killed by unknown gunman; so your version of the news is alien to me.(salam)
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http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/OLI273016.htm
BAGHDAD - At least 28 Sunni mosques and an office for the Iraqi Islamic Party in Baghdad were attacked by gunmen after the bomb blast in Samarra. Police said one mosque was completely burnt while others were attacked by gunfire and rocket propelled grenades. Three clerics and three bodyguards were killed, and another cleric was kidnapped, according to interior ministry sources. Gunmen used rifles and RPG rounds in the latest mosque attack, in the southern Saidaya district of Baghdad, a witness said.
Hussein al-Falluji, a leading Sunni politician, reported attacks on at least 75 Sunni mosques around the country with most in eastern Baghdad.
BASRA - Storage depots belonging to the main Sunni religious body in Basra, 550 km (340 miles) south of Baghdad, were reported by local police to be on fire after three grenades were thrown from moving cars while residents were at prayers.
DIWANIYA - Clashes erupted in Diwaniya after militiamen loyal to Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr attacked the houses of Arab Sunnis in Diwaniya. One of Sadr's men was killed, said a member of the Diwaniya provincial council.
BASRA - Gunmen attacked a Sunni mosque with rocket propelled grenades in Basra, local police said. There were no casualties.
BASRA - Local police said shootouts erupted between Sadr's militiamen and members of the Iraqi Islamic Party in Basra.
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Uninspired Posted Today, 02:39 PM
What proof do you have is was Sadr's militia men? And what proof do you have they were given orders from Sadr himself?
What is the ruling of Sistani? And what compels anyone to follow a Marja's rulings when they do not do taqleed to him?
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OK i was watching Sky tv or was it BBC and they were talking about the Shia militiamen behind this, which included Mahdi militia!~
there is no independent source verifying this..this maybe rumour mongering...the spokesman of Al Sadr has already issued to a stmt asking Iraqis not to blame Sunnis as this wil be falling into the trap of enemies...Might be one or two Al Mahdi soldiers are involved in this but u cannot say Al Sadr is involved ...u always have some mischevious people everyhwere...
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Ok maybe you're right, but i am not certain about this. So you are saying that sunnis were attacking their own mosques? :dry:
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A test put forward by whom? The Americans already know how power our Ayatollahs are; they don’t need to test them. A civil-war torn Iraq cannot possibly be advantages to the Americans; especially if you consider the economic reason behind this invasion; it would simply make no since for the American government to stage a ‘terrorist’ attack against a Shia Shrine. If you also calculate the prospect of an attack on Iran, the Americans want the alliance and assistance of Iraqi Shias, not create a disturbance that can link them to any attack on Shia sites that can lead to a wide scale rebellion.
On the other hand; the Wahabis of Saudi Arabia, who many deem Muslims, have destroyed the Heritage of the Holy Prophet starting with the graves of his wives, direct descendents (the Holy Imams) and the Sahaba. The terrorists in Iraq have attacked our Shrines since the invasion; the Kadhimiya Shrines has been bombed three times over the past three years; the Shrine of Sayedna Salman has been destroyed in the city of Salman-Pak two years ago; how many Sunni shrines have been attacked?
If the Americans wanted a supposed Civil war; they would attack Shrines belonging to both sects to inflame valance; that would make sense. Only those hate the Americans from the get go would delude themselves in drawing a link between this tragedy and the American military.
(salam)
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Honourable bro , instead of accusing sunnis and wahhabis for this, please read an excellent post and understand the situation at hand.
In His Name, the Most HighSalaams
Br NoorFatima; good to talk to you again after a long time; I wish the circumstances were different but ce la vie.
As for your comment that if the Amerikkkans and Zionists were behind this they would have destroyed Masjed al-Aqsa and the Qumbat as-Sakhra (The Dome of the Rock) a long time ago. I beg to differ.
You see in Palestine; the damaging of al-Aqsa or al-Sakhra would succeed in uniting the entire Palestinian population against the oppresive occupation; where as in Iraq harming a haram; be it Kerbala, Najaf, Kadhimiyyah or al-Askariyyah would - if the right work was done on the ground - succeed in fermenting enough sectarian strife - along with the phantom "terrorists" such as Mr Zarqawi and Co - who in reality are Richard Cheney, George W Bush II, Donald Rumsfeld, Condi Rice and Co (since it is a well known fact that the real Mr Zarqawi was never in Iraq but had been killed long ago); the Zarqawi myth; and the exaggeration of his power; the exaggeration of his "Sunnism" - and his non-existant hatred of the so-called "Shia"; such as having instigators in so-called Shia communities; and other engines in place; such an attack would have an excellent effect.
Examine this situation from the perspective of the Amerikkkan Empire.
1/ The whole world is slowly turning against the Amerikkkan Empire
2/ It's colonial experiment in what is in reality Palestine, has failed; and thankfully; through Allah's infinite grace; HAMAS (The Islamic Resistance Movement) has come to power- through a DEMOCRATIC election - in Occupied Palestine.
3/ HAMAS bears NO ILL WILL towards the Shia; even though it is a Sunni Movement - it's core is Islamic; and it is only Sunni in flavour because the majority of the population of Palestine are from our brethren of the Ahl as-Sunnah.
4/ The cutting of HAMAS's AID by the Amerikkan Empire; and threats of the same from lackeys of the Amerikkkan Empire have been rendered impotent by offers of assistance from various quarters including Islamic Iran.
5/ The Iranian Oil Bourse - which will change the default currency for oil transactions from the United States Dollar to the Euro - to which most of the key OPEC suppliers of crude oil have already subscribed. Without a backup of Oil; the US Dollar will fail as a currency; ultimately forcing the Federal Reserve - an independent entity outside the US Government - to bankrupt the United States Government in order to pay it's outstanding commitments.
6/ Threats of "action" against Islamic Iran are being met with skepticism; and with it's forces spread so thinly; the Amerikkkan Empire; along with it's lackeys - such as the Blair Enterprises PLC (formally called Great Britain or the United Kingdom); is unable to engage in a serious assault on Islamic Iran.
7/ Should the Zionist Entity in it's universal stupidity be foolish enough to attack Islamic Iran; it will be in serious trouble; as Iran will not capitulate the way the Tikriti Regime did; since Imam Khamenei(HA); Dr AhmadiNejaad(HA) and the government and people of Islamic Iran are not in the pay of the Amerikkkan Empire.
The cards are stacked against the Amerikkkan Empire. Fact.
It needs to create a situation which will ferment sectarian strife; not just in Iraq; but globally; and what will do that? Damage something "Shia" (incidently the haramain in al-Askariyyah are not 'Shia' the are Islamic Places - the Aimmah(A) were not Shia or Sunnah; they are and were Aimmat al-Muslimeen(A) - notice "al-Muslimeen" - very important.
If they make sectarian strife (where they is the Amerikkan Empire and Co) they can make a situation where many of their problems will go away.
Muslims - ALL MUSLIMS - both Shia and Sunni - globally will be pre-occupied with killing each other; in that time; Iraqi Oil will be funnelled to Haifa (for the Zionist Entity) - the pipeline already exists and is constantly blown up by believers who don't want our precious oil being syphoned out to the Zionists for use against our brethren; do some research you will see what I am saying as true; if you have people in Iraq; ask them to go north; near Mosul and Kirkuk; you will see what I am saying as true.
The only - yes ONLY option, that we as Muslims have; is to have patience; and make sure that NO sectarian episode occours. All the Maraje and Righteous Ulema have clearly stated that this is NOT a sectarian issue; the Leader of the Muslim Ummah, Imam Khamenei(HA) clearly said that this is a "POLICITCAL ISSUE" - created to further the age-old concept of divide and rule.
Please try to understand my respected brethren.
This is important; if we start segmenting; even thru the use of inuendo; the worst will happen; some might want the worst to happen; their judgemnt is with Allah; we on the other hand; want to protect Islam and Muslims (ALL Muslims; Sunni/Shia/Wahhabi/etc/etc); this is our duty.
It is important to realise this, and the faster we do so the better.
Let us recite a fateha for all those martyred today; in Occupied Palestine; Occupied Afghanistan; Occupied Iraq, etc, etc.
With Salaams and Dua's
Shabbir
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Please stop posting against sunnis and stop making the situation worser than it already is. Give me a good justification for attacking the house of Allah over the destruction of one?
This is totally ridiculous, i didn't expect shias who follow mintaq ( logic ) to be behaving like this!
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In His Name, the Most High
Salaams
Br NoorFatima; good to talk to you again after a long time; I wish the circumstances were different but ce la vie.
As for your comment that if the Amerikkkans and Zionists were behind this they would have destroyed Masjed al-Aqsa and the Qumbat as-Sakhra (The Dome of the Rock) a long time ago. I beg to differ.
You see in Palestine; the damaging of al-Aqsa or al-Sakhra would succeed in uniting the entire Palestinian population against the oppresive occupation; where as in Iraq harming a haram; be it Kerbala, Najaf, Kadhimiyyah or al-Askariyyah would - if the right work was done on the ground - succeed in fermenting enough sectarian strife - along with the phantom "terrorists" such as Mr Zarqawi and Co - who in reality are Richard Cheney, George W Bush II, Donald Rumsfeld, Condi Rice and Co (since it is a well known fact that the real Mr Zarqawi was never in Iraq but had been killed long ago); the Zarqawi myth; and the exaggeration of his power; the exaggeration of his "Sunnism" - and his non-existant hatred of the so-called "Shia"; such as having instigators in so-called Shia communities; and other engines in place; such an attack would have an excellent effect.
Examine this situation from the perspective of the Amerikkkan Empire.
1/ The whole world is slowly turning against the Amerikkkan Empire
2/ It's colonial experiment in what is in reality Palestine, has failed; and thankfully; through Allah's infinite grace; HAMAS (The Islamic Resistance Movement) has come to power- through a DEMOCRATIC election - in Occupied Palestine.
3/ HAMAS bears NO ILL WILL towards the Shia; even though it is a Sunni Movement - it's core is Islamic; and it is only Sunni in flavour because the majority of the population of Palestine are from our brethren of the Ahl as-Sunnah.
4/ The cutting of HAMAS's AID by the Amerikkan Empire; and threats of the same from lackeys of the Amerikkkan Empire have been rendered impotent by offers of assistance from various quarters including Islamic Iran.
5/ The Iranian Oil Bourse - which will change the default currency for oil transactions from the United States Dollar to the Euro - to which most of the key OPEC suppliers of crude oil have already subscribed. Without a backup of Oil; the US Dollar will fail as a currency; ultimately forcing the Federal Reserve - an independent entity outside the US Government - to bankrupt the United States Government in order to pay it's outstanding commitments.
6/ Threats of "action" against Islamic Iran are being met with skepticism; and with it's forces spread so thinly; the Amerikkkan Empire; along with it's lackeys - such as the Blair Enterprises PLC (formally called Great Britain or the United Kingdom); is unable to engage in a serious assault on Islamic Iran.
7/ Should the Zionist Entity in it's universal stupidity be foolish enough to attack Islamic Iran; it will be in serious trouble; as Iran will not capitulate the way the Tikriti Regime did; since Imam Khamenei(HA); Dr AhmadiNejaad(HA) and the government and people of Islamic Iran are not in the pay of the Amerikkkan Empire.
The cards are stacked against the Amerikkkan Empire. Fact.
It needs to create a situation which will ferment sectarian strife; not just in Iraq; but globally; and what will do that? Damage something "Shia" (incidently the haramain in al-Askariyyah are not 'Shia' the are Islamic Places - the Aimmah(A) were not Shia or Sunnah; they are and were Aimmat al-Muslimeen(A) - notice "al-Muslimeen" - very important.
If they make sectarian strife (where they is the Amerikkan Empire and Co) they can make a situation where many of their problems will go away.
Muslims - ALL MUSLIMS - both Shia and Sunni - globally will be pre-occupied with killing each other; in that time; Iraqi Oil will be funnelled to Haifa (for the Zionist Entity) - the pipeline already exists and is constantly blown up by believers who don't want our precious oil being syphoned out to the Zionists for use against our brethren; do some research you will see what I am saying as true; if you have people in Iraq; ask them to go north; near Mosul and Kirkuk; you will see what I am saying as true.
The only - yes ONLY option, that we as Muslims have; is to have patience; and make sure that NO sectarian episode occours. All the Maraje and Righteous Ulema have clearly stated that this is NOT a sectarian issue; the Leader of the Muslim Ummah, Imam Khamenei(HA) clearly said that this is a "POLICITCAL ISSUE" - created to further the age-old concept of divide and rule.
Please try to understand my respected brethren.
This is important; if we start segmenting; even thru the use of inuendo; the worst will happen; some might want the worst to happen; their judgemnt is with Allah; we on the other hand; want to protect Islam and Muslims (ALL Muslims; Sunni/Shia/Wahhabi/etc/etc); this is our duty.
It is important to realise this, and the faster we do so the better.
Let us recite a fateha for all those martyred today; in Occupied Palestine; Occupied Afghanistan; Occupied Iraq, etc, etc.
With Salaams and Dua's
Shabbir
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Honourable brother, Mashalalh for a brave and a brilliant post, but this post of mine was directed at you
3 sunni imams have been killed by the sadr militiamen in iraq over this !!!!!I want to ask the supporters of Moqtada as Sadr here who were posting in favor of peace between the sunni and the shia, what has their honourable leader Sadr done now? He has attacked sunnis and gone against the ruling of Ayatollah Sistani !
Now you ( Sadr lovers ) will hate Sadr for fighting sunnis!
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There is no disrespect intended, just wanted you to clarify your stance!
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they could have destroyed the Abu Hanifa Mosque since the Sunnis obviously are more impressionable than Shias; not to mention that they are less organized with no central authority to control them unlike the Shias. So a Sunni motivated attack against the Shias or the government due to destroying the Abu Hanifa Mosque would have brought in the wanted result.
I don't understand this. Sunnis were ruling the iraq, with exemplary discipline, organisation and central authority before the invaders attacked iraq.
If sunnis are more impressionable than shias then why do we see houses of Allah , 9 mosques destroyed by the shia militiamen?
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3 sunni imams have been killed by the sadr militiamen in iraq over this !!!!!
I want to ask the supporters of Moqtada as Sadr here who were posting in favor of peace between the sunni and the shia, what has their honourable leader Sadr done now? He has attacked sunnis and gone against the ruling of Ayatollah Sistani !
Now you ( Sadr lovers ) will hate Sadr for fighting sunnis!
Al-Askariya Shrine damaged by Explosives!
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i already answered it, didn't i? and yeah right about you being hypothetical, you are a liar as well alongwith a badmouth rafidhi mod who breaks the rule of this site!
Please don't involve sunnis into this, why involve them, they only want peace!
they probably were betrayers and sided with iran in the iran-iraq war !
Irrelevent thread!