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Jondab_Azdi

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    Jondab_Azdi got a reaction from Rohani in Inequality Between Slaves and Free Women   
    I think this Ali b. Hussain is from the mashaykh of Ibn Qulawayh (ar) and his mashaykh are considered reliable by Syed Khoei. From Mufeed Man Mujam Rijal al-Khoei. . .
    علي بن الحسين السعدآبادي : روى في كامل الزيارات وهو شيخ ابن قولويه فهو ثقة
    - روى 23 رواية .
    w/s
  2. Disagree
    Jondab_Azdi got a reaction from Syed Demanding in Inequality Between Slaves and Free Women   
    I think this Ali b. Hussain is from the mashaykh of Ibn Qulawayh (ar) and his mashaykh are considered reliable by Syed Khoei. From Mufeed Man Mujam Rijal al-Khoei. . .
    علي بن الحسين السعدآبادي : روى في كامل الزيارات وهو شيخ ابن قولويه فهو ثقة
    - روى 23 رواية .
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    Jondab_Azdi got a reaction from Syed Demanding in Inequality Between Slaves and Free Women   
    Which scholar considers Kamil az-Ziyarat weak as a whole or that the chain to the book is weak?
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    Jondab_Azdi got a reaction from Doctor_Naqvi in Salman Rushdie   
    Yes Salman Rushdie(LA) should be killed.
    Syed Khomeini (ra) said:
    "I would like to inform all the intrepid Muslims in the world that the author of the book ´The Satanic Verses´, which has been compiled, printed and published in opposition to Islam, the Prophet and the koran, as well as those publishers who were aware of its contents, have been sentenced to death. I call on all zealous Muslims to execute them quickly, wherever they may find them, so that no one will dare to insult the Muslim sanctions. Whoever is killed on this path will be regarded a martyr, God willing."
    The hadith of Imam also allows it. . .

    Ñæí åÔÇã Èä ÓÇáã¡ Úä ÚãÇÑ ÇáÓÇÈÇØí ÞÇá: ÓãÚÊ ÃÈÇ ÚÈÏÇááå Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã íÞæá: ßá ãÓáã Èíä ãÓáãíä ÅÑÊÏ Úä ÇáÇÓáÇã æÌÍÏ ãÍãÏÇ Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÇáå äÈæÊå æ ßÐÈå ÝÅä Ïãå ãÈÇÍ áßá ãä ÓãÚ Ðáß ãäå¡ æÅãÑÃÊå ÈÇÆäÉ ãäå ÝáÇ ÊÞÑÈå¡ æ íÞÓã ãÇáå Úáì æÑËÊå¡ æÊÚÊÏ ÅãÑÃÊå ÚÏÉ ÇáãÊæÝí ÚäåÇ ÒæÌåÇ¡ æÚáì ÇáÇãÇã Ãä íÞÊáå Åä ÃÊí Èå æáÇ íÓÊÊíÈå

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    Jondab_Azdi got a reaction from SHAUZEB in Salman Rushdie   
    Yes Salman Rushdie(LA) should be killed.
    Syed Khomeini (ra) said:
    "I would like to inform all the intrepid Muslims in the world that the author of the book ´The Satanic Verses´, which has been compiled, printed and published in opposition to Islam, the Prophet and the koran, as well as those publishers who were aware of its contents, have been sentenced to death. I call on all zealous Muslims to execute them quickly, wherever they may find them, so that no one will dare to insult the Muslim sanctions. Whoever is killed on this path will be regarded a martyr, God willing."
    The hadith of Imam also allows it. . .

    Ñæí åÔÇã Èä ÓÇáã¡ Úä ÚãÇÑ ÇáÓÇÈÇØí ÞÇá: ÓãÚÊ ÃÈÇ ÚÈÏÇááå Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã íÞæá: ßá ãÓáã Èíä ãÓáãíä ÅÑÊÏ Úä ÇáÇÓáÇã æÌÍÏ ãÍãÏÇ Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÇáå äÈæÊå æ ßÐÈå ÝÅä Ïãå ãÈÇÍ áßá ãä ÓãÚ Ðáß ãäå¡ æÅãÑÃÊå ÈÇÆäÉ ãäå ÝáÇ ÊÞÑÈå¡ æ íÞÓã ãÇáå Úáì æÑËÊå¡ æÊÚÊÏ ÅãÑÃÊå ÚÏÉ ÇáãÊæÝí ÚäåÇ ÒæÌåÇ¡ æÚáì ÇáÇãÇã Ãä íÞÊáå Åä ÃÊí Èå æáÇ íÓÊÊíÈå

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    Jondab_Azdi reacted in Salman Rushdie   
    Irrational, illegal, and downright stupid.
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    Jondab_Azdi got a reaction from Yasoob Al Deen in What is the position of Abu Bakr and Umar?   
    ^Allama Majlisi has taken this narration from Taqrib al-Maarif attributed to Shaykh Abi al-Salah al-Halbi.


    تقريب المعارف لابي الصلاح الحلبي : عن أبي علي الخراساني عن مولى لعلي بن الحسن عليه السلام قال : كنت معه عليه السلام في بعض خلواته فقلت : إن لي عليك حقا ألا تخبرني عن هذين الرجلين : عن أبي بكر وعمر ؟
    فقال : كافران كافر من أحبهما

    The narration is weak and mursal because the tariq from Shaykh Abi al-Salah al-Halbi to Abi Ali al-Khurasani is not established as sahih.
    http://www.al-shia.org/html/ara/books/lib-hadis/behar69/113.htm
    http://yazeinab.org/arabic/aqaed/books/all/t_maref/t_maref-13.html#tm088
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    Jondab_Azdi reacted to Nima in Mosleh Zamani   
    After that I have read and understood, he was actually convicted of rape? I'm also a little unsure whether you get the death penalty because of rape. I and the people say that Iranian law is not Islamic rules, in amongst the friends who come from Morocco and other countries which do not practice Sharia. But, no matter eventually saw the girl said that it was voluntary.
    So, the Quran says that there should be capital punishment when it comes to Zina well?
    http://www.savedelara.com/Mosleh_Zamani1.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosleh_Zamani
    Some say the punishment for adultery according to the Qur'an is noted in Surah 24 (An-Núr), Verse 2:
    “ The man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog him with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness his punishment.
  9. Disagree
    Jondab_Azdi got a reaction from Syed Demanding in With whom sacrifice of Ismail a.s was ransomed?   
    Is there any sahih hadith from Imams(a) which interprets this ayah as sacrifice of Imam al-Hussain(a)?
    A/c to Syed Fadhlallah(ha), the correct interpretation is the ram (ÇáßÈÔ).


    Ó: (æÝÏíäÇå ÈÐÈÍ ÚÙíã) .. åá ÕÍíÍ Çä ÊÝÓíÑ ÇáÐÈÍ ÇáÚÙíã åæ ÇáÇãÇã ÇáÍÓíä Ú¿
    Ì: áÇ Èá åæ ÇáßÈÔ ÇáÐí ÝÏì Çááå ÊÚÇáì Èå ÅÓãÇÚíá æÃÕÈÍ Ðáß ãäÓßÇð Ýí ÇáÍÌ.

    http://arabic.bayynat.org.lb/marjaa/qa.aspx?id=96
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    Jondab_Azdi got a reaction from Syed Demanding in With whom sacrifice of Ismail a.s was ransomed?   
    ^male sheep.
    http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&um=1&sa=1&q=%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%83%D8%A8%D8%B4&btnG=Search+images&aq=f&oq=&start=0
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    Jondab_Azdi got a reaction from Syed Demanding in could someone check this chain of narrators for me   
    Shaykh Saduq mentioning any narration doesn't necessarily means he considered it authentic.
    From the book 'The theology of al-Shaikh al-Mufid', . . .

    "One should not act upon everything that Abu Jafar (Shaykh Saduq) has related if the sayings of the Imams are not established by reliable methods. For they are traditions of one which do not command knowledge or action. And their narration is on the authority of men who could have been negligent and mistaken. Abu Jafr (Shaykh Saduq) simply related what he heard and transmitted what he remembered without guaranteeing it."
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    Jondab_Azdi got a reaction from Rohani in could someone check this chain of narrators for me   
    Shaykh Saduq mentioning any narration doesn't necessarily means he considered it authentic.
    From the book 'The theology of al-Shaikh al-Mufid', . . .

    "One should not act upon everything that Abu Jafar (Shaykh Saduq) has related if the sayings of the Imams are not established by reliable methods. For they are traditions of one which do not command knowledge or action. And their narration is on the authority of men who could have been negligent and mistaken. Abu Jafr (Shaykh Saduq) simply related what he heard and transmitted what he remembered without guaranteeing it."
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  13. Disagree
    Jondab_Azdi got a reaction from Syed Demanding in could someone check this chain of narrators for me   
    al-Qasim b. Muhammad al-Barmaki is majhool.
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    Jondab_Azdi got a reaction from Syed Demanding in could someone check this chain of narrators for me   
    The sanad is from Uyun al-Akhbar al-Reda (as) and it is weak as there are majhool / daif narrators. . .
    حدثنا أبو محمد جعفر بن على بن أحمد الفقيه القمى ثم الايلاقى رضى الله عنه قال: اخبرنا أبو محمد الحسن بن محمد بن على بن صدقه القمى قال: حدثنا أبو عمرو محمد بن عمر بن عبد العزيز الانصاري الكجى قال: حدثني من سمع الحسن بن محمد النوفلي ثم الهاشمي


    جعفر بن علي بن أحمد : الفقيه ، القمي ، ثم الايلاقي - من مشايخ الصدوق ،
    العيون - مجهول
    الحسن بن محمد النوفلي : ثم الهاشمي ، روى عن الرضا ( ع ) في التوحيد - مجهول


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    Jondab_Azdi got a reaction from Rohani in could someone check this chain of narrators for me   
    al-Qasim b. Muhammad al-Barmaki is majhool.
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    Jondab_Azdi got a reaction from Rohani in Stoning; where is it found in the Holy Quran?   
    Stoning is a legal Islamic punishment. The hadith posted by Br. Macisaac is authentic. The verse of stoning was abrogated from recitation but the ruling remains.
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    Jondab_Azdi got a reaction from Rohani in Stoning; where is it found in the Holy Quran?   
    Shaykh Tusi also didn't mention any work with this name.
    Åäø äÓÈÉ åÐÇ ÇáßÊÇÈ Åáì ÇáÔíÎ ÇáãÝíÏ : ÞÏøÓ ÓÑøå : áã ÊËÈÊ¡ æáã íÐßÑ ÇáäÌÇÔí æÇáÔíÎ áå ßÊÇÈÇð íÓãøì ÈÇáãÓÇÆá ÇáÓÑæíÉ
    ---
    Regarding those who believed in tahrif, Sharif al-Murtada (ar) said. . .
    "Only a group of traditionists who do not understand what they are saying nor know where they are going, those who always follow narratives and submit to whatever is quoted, whether true or false, without any thought or reflection, whose views are not worth attention.
    As for the scholars, theologians, and rational debaters of our schools such as Abu Jafar ibn Qiba, Abu'l Ahwas, the Nawbakhtis, and their predecessor and successors, we have never come across any opinion among them concerning alleged omission in the text of Qur'an."
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  18. Disagree
    Jondab_Azdi got a reaction from Syed Demanding in Imam Hussain (as) will return?   
    I thought you consider rijal Ibn al-Ghadairi authentic ;). And as we've discussed before that Shaykh Saduq has done taradhi on Shuyukh who were daif / liars. Also, the tawthiq of Musa b. Imran (Abd Allah?) is based only on him being a narrator in Tafsir al-Qummi (ra) or Kamil az-Ziyaraat.
    موسى بن عمران النخعي الذي هو من الطبقة السابعة أو الثامنة ، لأن علماء الرجال لم يذكروه لا بمدح ولا قدح ، وكونه من رجال كامل الزيارات لا يكفي في توثيقه
    وهي ضعيفة بالحسين بن إبراهيم ، وموسى ابن عمران النخعي ، والحسين بن يزيد ، وعلي بن غراب
    http://www.al-khoei.us/books/index.php?id=4948
    With these three flaws in the chain, it's fair that Syed Fadhlallah consider it weak.
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    Jondab_Azdi got a reaction from Syed Demanding in Imam Hussain (as) will return?   
    ^Even if we ignore the tadheef of Muhammad b. Ismail by Ibn al-Ghadairi ãõÍóãøóÏõ Èäõ ÅÓúãÇÚíá Èä ÃóÍúãóÏ Èä ÈóÔöíúÑ¡ ÇáÈóÑúãóßíøõ¡ ÃÈõæ ÌóÚúÝóÑ¡ ÇáãóÚúÑõæÝ ÈöÕÇÍöÈö ÇáÕóæúãóÚÉ. ÖóÚöíúÝñ b/c of the tawthiq by Najashi. . .

    æØÑíÞ ÇáÕÏæÞ Åáíå : Úáí Èä ÃÍãÏ Èä ãæÓì ¡ æãÍãÏ Èä ÃÍãÏ ÇáÓäÇäí ¡ æÇáÍÓíä Èä ÅÈÑÇåíã Èä ÃÍãÏ Èä åÔÇã ÇáãßÊÈ ¡ ÑÖí Çááå Úäåã ¡ Úä ãÍãÏ Èä ÃÈí ÚÈÏÇááå ÇáßæÝí ¡ Úä ãÍãÏ Èä ÅÓãÇÚíá ÇáÈÑãßí ¡ æÇáØÑíÞ ÛíÑ ÕÍíÍ áÇä ãÔÇíÎ ÇáÕÏæÞ ÇáãÐßæÑíä áã íÑÏ Ýíåã ÊæËíÞ
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    Jondab_Azdi got a reaction from Syed Demanding in Imam Hussain (as) will return?   
    Mirat al-Uqul is his only work where he has been less lenient with grading of hadith. I have mention it before too that in his other works he has graded hadith 'mutabar' when they are clearly weak [see Haqq al-Yaqeen]. And if you really think this ziyarah has reliable sanad then where is that sanad? Please post the complete chain. I have checked the isnad and they have flaws in it.
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  21. Disagree
    Jondab_Azdi got a reaction from Syed Demanding in Imam Hussain (as) will return?   
    Consider this example. . .
    From Wasail ash-Shi'a



    محمّد بن الحسن الصفار في ( بصائر الدرجات ): عن محمّد بن إسماعيل ـ يعني البرمكي ـ عن علي بن الحكم، عن شهاب بن عبد ربه قال: أتيت أبا عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) أسأله، فابتدأني فقال: إن شئت فسل يا شهاب، وإن شئت أخبرناك بما جئت له، قلت: أخبرني، قال: جئت تسألني عن الغدير يكون في جانبه الجيفة، أتوضأ منه أو لا؟ قال: نعم، قال: توضأ من الجانب الآخر، إلا أن يغلب ( الماء الريح فينتن ) (1).

    Here, Shaykh Hurr al-Amili is quoting the narration from the book Basair ad-Darajaat of al-Saffar (ra). Shaykh Hurr al-Amili obviously had access to the book. But still Syed Baqir as-Sadr consider it weak because the tareeq from Shaykh Hurr al-Amili to the book Basair ad-Darajaat is not established as sahih.


    لانها يرويها صاحب الوسائل عن كتاب بصائر الدرجات وطريق صاحب الوسائل إلى بصائر الدرجات إنما هو بتوسط الشيخ، والشيخ طريقه إلى الصفار - وان كان صحيحا - ولكن طريقه الصحيح إليل الصفار لا يشمل بصائر الدرجات، وطريقه إلى بصائر الدرجات ليس صحيحا، فالرواية غير تامة سندا.



    وأما رواية بصائر الدرجات (3) فهي ساقطة سندا، لان الشيخ الحر ينقلها في الوسائل عن كتاب بصائر الدرجات، وهو يروي هذا الكتاب بطريقه إلى الشيخ الطوسي، وبطريق الشيخ الطوسي إلى الكتاب، والشيخ الطوسي له طريقان إلى الصغار: أحدهما صحيح ويروي به سائر روايات الصفار، ولكن استثنى من ذلك كتاب بصائر الدرجات. فهو غير مروي بذلك الطريق الصحيح. والآخر طريق يروي به الشيخ كتاب بصائر الدرجات ولكنه غير صحيح

    So, is Baqir as-Sadr wrong by considering it weak b/c of the weak tareeq from Sahib al-Wasail to the book Basair ad-Darajaat ?
    I have used the same method.
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    Jondab_Azdi got a reaction from Syed Demanding in Imam Hussain (as) will return?   
    ^Only if you ignore the fact that they have reached us through weak/unknown tareeq. The tareeq of the book is as important as the isnad, in fact, part of the isnad. There is no point in checking the isnad too if you have to ignore the tareeq to the original book.
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  23. Disagree
    Jondab_Azdi got a reaction from Syed Demanding in Imam Hussain (as) will return?   
    There are majaheel in its sanad. . .


    ÍÏËäÇ ÇáÔíÎ ÇáÝÞíå ÃÈæ ãÍãÏ ÚÑÈí Èä ãÓÇÝÑ ÑÖí Çááå Úäå ÈÏÇÑå ÈÇáÍáÉ Ýí ÔåÑ ÑÈíÚ ÇáÇæá ÓäÉ ËáÇË æÓÈÚíä æÎãÓãÇÆÉ¡ æÍÏËäí ÇáÔíÎ ÃÈæ ÇáÈÞÇÁ åÈÉ Çááå Èä äãÇÁ Èä Úáí Èä ÍãÏæä ÞÇáÇ ÌãíÚÇ: ÍÏËäÇ ÇáÔíÎ ÇáÇãíä ÇáÍÓíä Èä ÃÍãÏ Èä ãÍãÏ Èä Úáí Èä ØÍÇá ÇáÈÛÏÇÏí ÑÍãå Çááå ÈãÔåÏ ãæáÇäÇ ÃãíÑ ÇáãÄãäíä Úáí Èä ÃÈí ØÇáÈ ÕáæÇÊ Çááå Úáíå ÞÇá: ÍÏËäÇ ÇáÔíÎ ÇáãÝíÏ ÃÈæ Úáí ÇáÍÓä Èä ãÍãÏ ÇáØæÓí ÑÖí Çááå Úäå ÈÇáãÔåÏ ÇáãÐßæÑ Úä æÇáÏå ÃÈí ÌÚÝÑ ÇáØæÓí ÑÖí Çááå Úäå¡ Úä ãÍãÏ Èä ÅÓãÇÚíá¡ Úä ãÍãÏ Èä ÃÔäÇÓ ÇáÈÒÇÒ¡ Úä ãÍãÏ Èä ÃÍãÏ Èä íÍíì ÇáÞãí¡ Úä ãÍãÏ Èä Úáí Èä ÒäÌæíå ÇáÞãí¡ Úä ãÍãÏ Èä ÚÈÏ Çááå Èä ÌÚÝÑ ÇáÍãíÑí ÞÇá: ÞÇá ÃÈæ Úáí ÇáÍÓä Èä ÃÔäÇÓ: æÃÎÈÑäÇ ÃÈæ ÇáãÝÖá ãÍãÏ Èä ÚÈíÏ Çááå ÇáÔíÈÇäí
    . . .


    ^It's also weak in sanad. . .


    Ó: åá ÇáÒíÇÑÉ ÇáÌÇãÚÉ ãä ÇÎÈÇÑ ÇáÇÍÇÏ æ ØÑÞ ÇáÇÝÑÇÏ¿
    Ì: åí ßÐáß ãÚ ÚÏã ËÈæÊ ÕÍÉ ÓäÏåÇ



    Ó: ãÇ åæ Ïáíáßã ÇáÑÌÇáí Úáì ÚÏã ËÈæÊ ÕÍÉ ÓäÏ ÇáÒíÇÑÉ ÇáÌÇãÚÉ ¡ áÇä ÇáÑÌÇá Çí ÇáÑæÇÉ ßáåã ãä ÇáÇÓÇÊÐÉ áÇÈä ÈÇÈæíå ÇáÞãí æ ÇáÏí áã íØÚä Ýíåã Èá ãÏÍåã Ýí ÕÏÑ ßÊÇÈ ßÇãá ÇáÒíÇÑÇÊ ¿
    Ì: áã íËÈÊ ÕÍÉ ÇÓÇäíÏ ßÊÇÈ ßÇãá ÇáÒíÇÑÇÊ ÍíË áÇ íßÝí ãÏÍ ÇÈä ÈÇÈæíå Ýí ÅËÈÇÊ Ðáß æåÐÇ ãÇ ÐåÈ Çáíå ÇíÖÇ ÇáÓíÏ ÇáÎæÆí (Ñå

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  24. Disagree
    Jondab_Azdi got a reaction from Syed Demanding in Imam Hussain (as) will return?   
    ^Yes and this argument is enough to grade it as daif. I can show you examples of scholars who graded ahadith daif b/c of weak tareeq.
    Did you read my last post? When it comes to rijal the tariq doesn't matters because we are anyway accepting tadheef / tawthiq without hadith proofs such as in case of Rijal Najashi.
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  25. Disagree
    Jondab_Azdi got a reaction from Syed Demanding in Imam Hussain (as) will return?   
    Bro, the above proof is not undoubtedly sahih. Actually, double standard is being used by those who rejects Ibn al-Ghadairi book but rely on hadith books with weak tareeq.
    And when it comes to rijaal, we are anyway accepting tawtheeq / tadheef without proofs such as Rijal Najashi doesn't mentions its proofs of tawthiq / tadheef. So it doesn't makes any difference whether the book was from Ibn al-Ghadairi or not. The best and safest approach when it comes to rijaal is to consider all major rijal books and apply the principle of 'Defamation over rules the Justification or the testimony of trust'. This approach is being used by scholars such as Shaykh al-Radhy.
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