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forte

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    forte got a reaction from Mohammadi_follower in Antifa - designated terrorist organisation   
    They are strictly a threatening and violence based group.  And arresting them is the mildest form of what should be done.
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    forte got a reaction from Hayy ibn Yaqzan in Antifa - designated terrorist organisation   
    They are strictly a threatening and violence based group.  And arresting them is the mildest form of what should be done.
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    forte got a reaction from AmirioTheMuzzy in Antifa - designated terrorist organisation   
    They are strictly a threatening and violence based group.  And arresting them is the mildest form of what should be done.
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    forte got a reaction from notme in Antifa - designated terrorist organisation   
    They are strictly a threatening and violence based group.  And arresting them is the mildest form of what should be done.
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    forte got a reaction from King in Antifa - designated terrorist organisation   
    They are strictly a threatening and violence based group.  And arresting them is the mildest form of what should be done.
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    forte reacted to Mohammadi_follower in Antifa - designated terrorist organisation   
    Antifas claim to be antifascits while they use fascist methods. They are violent thugs who must be arrested. 
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    forte reacted to Gaius I. Caesar in Anyone else surprised by how illegitimate children are described here?   
    If it violates accountability and freewill in the afterlife, then why would a marja be so irresponsible as to say "Illegitimate children inherit bad manners, breaking of laws and sins from their parents. For them the ground for sins and crime is more feasible..." if this contradicts the Qur'an? 
    Does Ayatullah Nasir Shirazi believe he knows what's in people's hearts and not Allah? (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) I know he was talking about the fact that illegitimate children can't be marja. It just strikes me as arrogant to make sweeping statements on people like that. 
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    forte reacted to Northwest in Anyone else surprised by how illegitimate children are described here?   
    Yes, I am familiar with this truth. That is why I presented my statement in the form of a question, not an assertion.
    I have long conducted research on Islam both here and elsewhere and am attempting to resolve ambiguities.
    Ah, that makes sense. Some of the contributors here seemed to imply otherwise. Clarification can certainly facilitate productive communication.
    I was speaking of unbelievers in relation to physiological and spiritual illnesses that are inherited from birth. I did not have companions of the Prophet in mind.
    I appreciate your kindness. Some of the other contributors here, unfortunately, lend to an opposite aspect, or can be interpreted as such.
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    forte reacted to Northwest in Anyone else surprised by how illegitimate children are described here?   
    @habib e najjaar
    The Nazis made similar eugenicist arguments about the children of criminals, mentally incapacitated (“insane”) individuals, and other undesirable dregs of society. They argued that the biological-spiritual defects of the parents would be genetically and spiritually transferred into the bodies of their offspring. As you have mentioned below, the Christian West also would ostracise the products of illicit and immoral relations until recently. Of course, this does not mean that the Islamic approach is wrong, but it should be pointed out that there is an element of eugenics involved.
    It is also noteworthy that many of the people who decry the normalisation of sin also “normalise” the use of postmodernist jargon such as “gender” to describe biological sex.
    Pardon me, but this statement presupposes that the other person is mentally incapacitated due to some degree of spiritual impurity.
    No, it was not taken differently, at least as I see it. Please stand your ground and do not try to “paint over” with an unnecessary apology.
    @starlight
    In addition, there are also narrations that mention a link between sins and hereditary physiological diseases. So various illnesses and disabilities might be related to generational effects of sin, including diabetes and autism. (As an aside, here in the West, people have used similar arguments to support euthanasia of mentally disabled/retarded people, to not mention sinful and impure elements such as thieves, prostitutes, et al.) Since Islam prescribes capital punishment for unbelievers, and also marginalises the offspring of sinful and impure relationships, then one might wonder whether euthanasia of mentally disabled/retarded people might be permissible under Islam, given the probable link between sin and physiological disease, along with the fact that these people also inherit undesirable physiological as well as spiritual traits and thus become a hindrance to Islam and the Islamic order of society. I know that Islam prohibits the suicide of believers, but the offspring of unbelievers might be a different story. Given that I, having been born to a family of unbelievers, have autism and associated bad spiritual traits, should I consider suicide, given that my existence merely adds more impurity to the world, and I have been a rebellious, lazy, and jinni-possessed child since the age of two, when I received my first vaccine? (I have a vivid memory.)
    @GD41586
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    forte reacted to Mohammad313Ali in Anyone else surprised by how illegitimate children are described here?   
    Humble yourself sister 
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    forte reacted to confusedandannoyed in Anyone else surprised by how illegitimate children are described here?   
    How does this have ANYTHING to do with having an illegitimate child?
    Your first question talks about AIDS, and I’m assuming your implication is that children born out of wedlock are “diseased,” which is exactly the issue that I have with the above link. It treats illegitimate children as having a physiological, genetic illness passed down from their parents. 

    Your second question has nothing to do with the issue. Illegitimate children aren’t benefitting from their parents’ sins??
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    forte reacted to confusedandannoyed in Anyone else surprised by how illegitimate children are described here?   
    Salam! Thank you for your response. I completely agree with you about the differences between Middle Eastern society's view of illegitimate children and that of Western societies. I believe it is these views that ultimately shape one's sense of self.
    I actually skimmed over a study about the correlation between illegitimate children and crime, and it stated there was a positive correlation, though in the analysis, it was mentioned that illegitimate children might go on to engage in crimes simply because of the mistreatment illegitimate children received by the hands of their parents. I do agree with that -- parental love and societal support is important for one's sense of self and self-esteem. I can also understand why stigma might prevent an illegitimate child in M/E or South Asia from receiving the love and care normally given by parents.
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    forte reacted to confusedandannoyed in Anyone else surprised by how illegitimate children are described here?   
    Salam everyone,
    Like most people, I stumbled upon Al-Islam website one day, looking to find information on illegitimate children and their rights in Islam.
    This document was written by Naser Shirazi, who upon further search, turns out is a Shia marja.  Turns out illegitimate children are disqualified from certain posts because of their illegitimate status. "Okay, let's read more as to why," was my response. 
    Here is what he had to say about illegitimate children and their rights: https://www.al-islam.org/philosophy-islamic-laws-nasir-makarim-shirazi-jafar-subhani/question-15-why-illegitimate-children
    Additionally,
    With all due respect to the marja, I find it quite astonishing that he would say that an illegitimate child is more prone to committing crimes, because of the sin that produced him/her in the first place. More specifically, I find it even more astonishing that pre-marital sex is compared to a physiological disease, where the likelihood of contracting such disease (in this case, sinful behaviour) is passe down from parents.
    I understand the seriousness of pre-marital sex and having a child out of wed-lock, but I found it quite surprising that a child born out of wed-lock cannot enjoy the same positions and rights that legitimate children are able to, simply because of the sins committed by their parents. 
    Any thoughts on this?
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    forte got a reaction from AmirioTheMuzzy in Michigan Muslim Scammer   
    The police won't follow up on this as it is not worth their time.  But, especially now that he is exposed, this guy is going to rip off the wrong person or the wrong person's wife or the wrong person's grandmother or the wrong person's [......] ..... and will become a statistic. It's Detroit.
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    forte got a reaction from King in Michigan Muslim Scammer   
    The police won't follow up on this as it is not worth their time.  But, especially now that he is exposed, this guy is going to rip off the wrong person or the wrong person's wife or the wrong person's grandmother or the wrong person's [......] ..... and will become a statistic. It's Detroit.
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    forte reacted to Abu Nur in Islamic Government   
    You can be happy and glad about your belief, and I'm also happy and glad about mine and I only believe in Kings, Imams (عليه السلام) that are choosed by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) to form an Government that is worthy to support and follow, I'm not alone in such a belief and there have been many Shia scholars who believe also on this.
  17. Completely Agree
    forte reacted to King in Islamic Government   
    And you sound like a mouth piece for Iranian government's propaganda machine.  Reading your posts is like reading some childish and laughable press TV article.
  18. Completely Agree
    forte reacted to Mohamed1993 in Give Iran a break. Let's 'bash' Saudi   
    Everyone here knows Saudi Arabia is a disgrace. It requires courage to confront atrocities by your own side or a side that claims to speak for you. Just like it takes no courage to criticise Russian atrocities in America, but takes courage to confront American crimes in the US and it takes no courage to confront Syrian atrocities if you're jewish but takes real courage to confront Israeli ones, it also applies to Shias. We can criticise America, Israel and Saudi Arabia all we want and there are legitimate criticisms there, but there's plenty to criticize when it comes to Iran too that people don't want to acknowledge or confront because tribalism is rampant. 
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    forte reacted to Abu Nur in Have Iran spoken against genocide of Uyghur Muslims   
    Stupidity. 
  20. Completely Agree
    forte reacted to Moalfas in Have Iran spoken against genocide of Uyghur Muslims   
    There's absolutely no excuse for condoning and supporting any injustice. Especially not by anyone claiming to represent the teachings of Ahlul Bayt (عليه السلام)
     
    Signed by both Iraq and Iran: 
    "We commend China’s remarkable achievements in the field of human rights by adhering to the people-centered development philosophy and protecting and promoting human rights through development. We also appreciate China’s contributions to the international human rights cause.
    ..........
     We note with appreciation that human rights are respected and protected in China in the process of counter-terrorism and deradicalization."
    https://ap.ohchr.org/documents/E/HRC/c_gov/A_HRC_41_G_17.DOCX
     
    I ask the apologists, would the Imam AJF condone such injustice? 
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    forte got a reaction from AmirioTheMuzzy in Have Iran spoken against genocide of Uyghur Muslims   
    LOOOOL 
    You must be related to Pol Pot!  
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    forte got a reaction from King in Have Iran spoken against genocide of Uyghur Muslims   
    LOOOOL 
    You must be related to Pol Pot!  
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    forte reacted to The Green Knight in Have Iran spoken against genocide of Uyghur Muslims   
    If I slice off your head while being a.. Muslim, will I remain your brother in humanity? Clearly then in the least I need correction and re-education. They are getting free food and free education for crying out loud. Zionists lie about their enemies. Perhaps the govt of Iran actually knows better than you.
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    forte reacted to Soldiers and Saffron in Anger in lran   
    Its like 300 students outside of the university where many died who are protesting. Apparently 300 people protesting is enough for big mount Trump to tweet in Farsi, but when millions of people were protesting against the murder of shahid Soleimani just days ago - nothing.
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    forte reacted to shadow_of_light in Anger in lran   
    It is difficult to answer but based on the videos I watched, in some towns there were not many protestors but in cities like Tehran there were many.
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