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In the Name of God بسم الله

forte

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  1. 11 minutes ago, LeftCoastMom said:

    Once again...read my post. I said that particular choice for calligraphy assignment was poor. However...the kids studying religion shouldn't learn about it? Teaching evolution, or that Europeans did not invent everything useful in the world,  or just about anything ...causes a reaction from someone....I'm not to teach it?

    Teaching world history is different than having kids personally write a declaration of faith. Personally, I do not want my kids coming home with a piece of paper declaring Jesus as their Saviour, in any language.   All this has little to do with the public education.  

  2. 1 minute ago, LeftCoastMom said:

    The people who vetted it are Ph.D's in the subject and pretty sure they knew what it meant. Textbooks in the US are written by experts in the field,  usually in a university. Some of the contributors to the text were likely Islamic themselves.

    as far as your example, if it were in a textbook vetted by your government regarding what Christians believed, what's the problem? Many people in this forum have written out my statement of faith and described my beliefs. I'm sure many Islamic kids know what their Christian neighbors believe without believing it themselves,

    At any rate, this is a secular country. " Christian majority" ( whatever that might actually mean) has no bearing on education. Most Christians wouldn't  care about this. They understand context.

     

    I totally disagree. If they knew what it meant, it makes it worse because as they were so well educated they should have been sensitive enough to realize that it could create a reaction. PhD's are not above making mistakes..  And this was one of those mistakes. Also, as Hameedeh said, just think of how many of these writings were treated in a disrespectful way.  This also was not considered in their choice of writing sample. Very poor research on their behalf.

  3. 16 minutes ago, LeftCoastMom said:

    They were not asked to believe in it. It was for informational purposes. 

    It was part of a standard lesson in a standard book vetted by the State of Virginia.

    If you asked kids to practice writing in English (in a majority Muslim country) the words "Jesus was their Lord and Saviour" or something similar lke i wrote above, what do you think the reaction would be?!  It was an incorrect thing to have non Muslims to write,  and it doesn't matter who vetted it as they did not research the meaning..

  4. They were asked to write a statement of faith which could be seen as a declaration of faith.  I don't think it was the Arabic, it is the meaning of the words. It would be the same as Muslims being asked to write "Jesus is the son of God"...or there is no way to heaven except through Jesus Christ, son of God or something like that.  We would definitely have a problem with our kids writing that, just as the bible belt Christians would have a problem with their kids writing the shahada.  Whoever gave the assignment probably did not research what they were writing.  

  5. 3 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

    I work for a very large organisation in the UK.

    At one time they used to allow staff to entertain with alcohol and then they stopped for both financial and ethical reasons. Nothing to do with Islam. Staff are not barred from buying alcohol, it just can't be put on expenses.

    If you own this business you can easily present this change of policy for a variety of reasons other than religion.

    It is the same here in Canada. My company will not pay for alcohol or pay for gratuities.  Also, the company can be held legally accountable for any harm that an individual does while under the influence of alcohol, if the company supplied the alcohol.  Companies don't have alcohol at staff parties anymore due to this liability issue. 

  6. America treats its Muslim population WAY better than most Islamic countries treat their own fellow Muslims (Ahmadis in Pakistan, Shias in Afghanistan, non-Iranians in Iran, SA in Gulf, non Arabs in Arabic countries, minority Arabs in Arabic countries etc). 

    When did America stopped a Muslim boy from education for being Muslim? When did America behead a Muslim for being different than the rest? 

     

    No debate here.

  7. http://www.smh.com.au/world/migrant-crisis-pakistanis-others-dumping-ids-to-become-syrian-20150906-gjggcn.html

     

    Migrant crisis: Pakistanis, others dumping IDs to become 'Syrian'

    Dusan Stojanovic 
    Published: September 7, 2015 - 6:47AM

     

     

    Hajdukovo, Serbia: A Pakistani identity card in the bushes, a Bangladeshi one in a cornfield. A torn Iraqi driver's licence  bearing the photo of a man with a Saddam-style moustache, another one with a scarfed woman displaying a shy smile.

    Documents scattered only metres from Serbia's border with Hungary provide evidence that many of the migrants flooding Europe to escape war or poverty are s[Edited Out]ping their true nationalities and likely assuming new ones, just as they enter the European Union.

    Many of those migrants believe that using a fake document – or having none at all – gives them a better chance of receiving asylum in Germany and other western European states. That's because the surest route to asylum is to be a refugee from war and not an economic migrant fleeing poverty. That fact has led to a huge influx of people claiming to be Syrian.

     

    Serbian border police say that 90 per cent of those arriving from Macedonia,  about 3000 a day, claim they are Syrian, although they have no documents to prove it. The so-called Balkan corridor for the migrant flight starts in Turkey, then goes through Macedonia and Serbia before entering the European Union in Hungary.

    "You can see that something is fishy when most of those who cross into Serbia enter January 1  as the date of their birth," border police officer Miroslav Jovic said. "Guess that's the first date that comes to their mind."

     

    The chief of the European Union border agency Frontex said that trafficking in fake Syrian passports has increased.

    "A lot of people enter Turkey with fake Syrian papers because they know that they'll get asylum in the EU more easily," Fabrice Leggeri said.

    In Germany, customs have intercepted packages mailed to Germany containing Syrian passports, both genuine and counterfeit, the finance ministry said.

    Syrians transiting through Serbia are concerned about the trend.

    "Everyone says they are Syrian, even those who are obviously not," said Kamal Saleh, pointing towards a group of people camping in a Belgrade park. "That is not good for us Syrians because of limited number of people who will get the asylum."

    Mr Saleh left everyone he loves in Syria – his wife, a baby boy and a shattered home in Damascus.

    But, unlike many other migrants surging into Europe, he feels fortunate: he has a Syrian passport that he keeps carefully wrapped in a plastic folder and tucked inside his secret trouser pocket. The document, if genuine, should prove that he is a refugee fleeing war, and not a migrant fleeing poverty –  a huge difference when asylum applications are considered.

    His countryman, who identified himself only as Yemen, said:  "There are too many people saying we are from Syria, but he is not from Syria. He is black and he said `I am from Syria.' Unbelievable. "

     

    International aid agencies estimate that nearly 340,000 people have sought to cross EU borders since January. Two-thirds of the latest European arrivals are believed to be from Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia and Eritrea – countries considered by international aid groups to be "refugee producing states," due to ongoing war or records of human rights abuses.

     

    According to the 1951 Refugee Convention, those fleeing violence and persecution are entitled to basic rights under international law, including the right not to be immediately deported and sent back into harm's way. A migrant could be someone who chooses to resettle to another country in search of a better life and is eligible for deportation.

     

    EU rules say the country where a migrant first arrives must process the asylum claim. But Germany last week abolished this obligation for Syrians, triggering a surge of people trying to travel through the EU to get there, adding that only refugees fleeing for their life, and not those fleeing poverty, will be allowed to stay.

    Aware of the potential asylum rejection, many migrants fleeing poverty are  dumping their identity documents. 

    Among those who had no second thoughts about ditching their true identity was Rafik from Pakistan.

    "I'm leaving my old life behind," Rafik said,  as he dashed under the fence into Hungary. He  gave only his first name because he feared repercussions when applying for asylum in Germany. "I'm starting a new one."

    "I don't have a passport, nor any other identity paper. Let's see which country they will choose to kick me back to."

    AP

     

  8. Pakistanis, others dumping ID's to become "Syrian" Migrants
    http://www.smh.com.au/world/migrant-crisis-pakistanis-others-dumping-ids-to-become-syrian-20150906-gjggcn.html

    Many of those migrants believe that using a fake document – or having none at all – gives them a better chance of receiving asylum in Germany and other western European states. That's because the surest route to asylum is to be a refugee from war and not an economic migrant fleeing poverty. That fact has led to a huge influx of people claiming to be Syrian.
    Serbian border police say that 90 per cent of those arriving from Macedonia,  about 3000 a day, claim they are Syrian, although they have no documents to prove it. The so-called Balkan corridor for the migrant flight starts in Turkey, then goes through Macedonia and Serbia before entering the European Union in Hungary.
    "You can see that something is fishy when most of those who cross into Serbia enter January 1  as the date of their birth," border police officer Miroslav Jovic said. "Guess that's the first date that comes to their mind."

  9. Yes, putting her in jail isn't necessary, but that is a different discussion.  The fact remains that same sex marriage is legal and as a public servant she is obliged to follow the legal code and not discriminate based on religious beliefs.  Laws change all the time, it isn't an excuse, if she has a problem with the new rules then she needs to try and lobby to change them, instead of taking it out on fellow citizens who are now undertaking a perfectly legal practice.

     I agree. If you take an oath to uphold the law, then you have to uphold the law as you are paid to uphold the law of the state.  If you feel you cannot uphold certain laws due to personal beliefs, etc; you need to leave the job. 

  10. Islamically, isn't the mahr paid by the man to the woman?

     Sometimes the mehr is not paid upfront but in promise for when she asks for it but definitely should be paid out on divorce. I think she means that he was keeping it as he can if that is agreed, and now should release it to her.  The marriage was not consummated so he need only pay half the promised amount.

  11. Umm maybe because there is a form of Sharia Law implemented in the UAE? And building of Hindu Temples isn't allowed in Islamic Law? And that these people believe it is against the country's law and Sharia to build this temple?

     

    Now let the progressives shout and scream!

     

    Bit of a disconnect here.  I am sure that they don't question the fact that they are eating food handled and prepared by Hindus. At least I have never heard of such.

  12. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/chapel-hill-shooting-three-young-muslims-gunned-down-in-north-carolina-at-their-family-home-10037734.html

     

     

     This happened today, and we do not see it anywhere in the news, nor social media ! Imagine the killer being a Muslim ... and this would have been the only story across all boards

     

    ???

     

    It is front page news on CNN... 

    Not a single word on BBC's front or world pages about this event.

     

    ???

     

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-31416869

     

    Dont't know why people cant see this on the news.  It was the first thing I saw this morning.  It looks like a hate crime at first glance due to religion.  Why else this man (if guilty) would slaughter this family? 

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