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In the Name of God بسم الله

forte

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  1. 1 minute ago, Carlzone said:

    You are using the psychological defense mechanism of projection.

    Oh, did i misunderstand you? Please correct me then. How do you regard God destroying a whole nation of homosexuals? Did God do the right thing? Did God make a mistake?

    Answering these questions will show your inconsistency and faulty view of Allah SWT so you won't do it :)

    In the end no person's opinions have any value, not yours, not mine. The only thing that matters is Allah SWTs view. And we all know what that was. He destroyed those deviant homosexuals. 

    You obviously do not know the meaning of projection within the parameters of psychology - but I am sure that will not stop you from misusing the term. At least you are consistent.

    You did not misunderstand me - you just want to avoid what has been pointed out to you.  Arrogance leads to loneliness. Try a little humility. 

  2. 41 minutes ago, Carlzone said:

    I believe you need to correct your faulty view of Allah SWT

    Believing that God <aka yourself, it seems, as I was referring to you> is suffering from overwhelming anger and a need to hate when destroying a whole nation of homosexuals is not a healthy view of Allah SWT. 

    Alhamdulillah weshokorr I have a much better view of Allah SWT. He is the wisest and most knowledgeable indeed. If he destroys them than that is what they deserve. My Lord makes no mistakes unlike yours (if you have one that is).

    You continue to be ill mannered, immature and obnoxious.   Continuing arrogance and demonstrations of omnipotence with attempts (yet again!) to redirect from your own accountability.

     

     

  3. 6 minutes ago, Carlzone said:

    Answer my question. Was God suffering from overwhelming anger and a need to hate when he destroyed a whole nation of homosexuals? 

    You seem to think you are a master at redirection to avoid being held accountable.  You have a long ways to go if this is your aim.

    At least think about some of the things you have written, and think about how this way of thinking and conjecturing must reflect in other areas of your life and in your relationships with others.  I believe you will find a correlation.  It is up to you. 

  4. 7 minutes ago, Carlzone said:

    I guess you mean that God was suffering from overwhelming anger and a need to hate when he destroyed a whole nation of homosexuals? 

    This is typical twisting of what I wrote - which is abundantly clear unless you have the need to duck and hide from your behaviour.  

    You are comparing yourself to God now?  

    Pathetic.   

  5. Overwhelming anger and the need to hate to the point where one feels comfortable attempting to dehumanize people they have never met and feel the need to create scenarios that don't exist anywhere but in a very confused mind, must be emotionally very painful.  The misguided comments made here, attempting to link vastly disparate circumstances are totally irrational. 

  6. It is confusing to have one life at school and one life at home for first generation kids - especially when at home you are told to fear the outside and retreat from it.  When people (especially older new comers - such as parents or grandparents) are struggling in an unfamiliar language and culture making them feel lonely and disoriented in the society, it is easy to romanticize the situation that they left.  They feel they can recapture the comfort of the familiar by avoiding all that is unfamiliar resulting in a closed community of paralyzing rigidity.  Your parents do not have the exposure to the western life the way that you do - so it is a fear of the unknown that causes that pulling inwards.  And focusing on the "dinner dance" at school and whatever other specific of "evil", is not going to help.  There are many more positive things about what you can accomplish here in the educational system and how you can maximize your benefit of it.  Opportunities afforded to relatively few on our planet.  Focus on that and you will find you are not alone as others of many cultures have taken this direction. The society is multi-cultural and we have to acknowledge that other cultures have been here, are coming here, and will always be here.  We will be working (and socializing to some extent) with them.  Accepting and working within the diversity is incumbent on everyone to make our extended communities work to be comfortable and productive .  

  7. The majority of plastic surgery is not for aesthetic purposes but for functional purposes.  Burns (which have been mentioned) to facilitate in elasticity of the skin and underlying tissue so the patient can move properly and become more independent with personal care, eating, and general movement; also various birth defects,  and injury to areas with tendons ligaments, etc.  For example, if you smashed your hand in a construction job and cut tendons, etc - your hand would be put together by a team led by a plastic surgeon.  

  8. On 6/4/2018 at 1:43 PM, Dreamcatcher said:

    If someone is using Mut'a as a tool to legitimise their one night stand(s) then God help them. Mut'a was and is not meant for this. On the other hand, if done right, it would not degrade the culture.

    There is no time limit to mut'a.  Mut'a literally means pleasure. One night stands are mut'a-able!

     

    25 minutes ago, Rayhana80 said:

    So you think it’s okay to have mutaa with a non Muslim as long as she is satisfying his needs? Moreover, it’s not his responsibility whether or not she is going to wait for her menstrual cycle? She being a NON-MUSLIM, what made you believe that (1) she would she care about waiting until her cycle is over? What if she sleeps with another couple of men and found out that she is pregnant, (2) how will he know whose child it is then? Unfortunately our men are abusing it. 

    (1)  You can advise and highly recommend, but you cannot control what another person does whether Muslim or non Muslim. It is ultimately up to her.

    (2)  Nowadays, it is easy to determine paternity of a child.  

  9. 2 hours ago, Sumerian said:

    Global open immigration would then have to entail globally approved and signed worker's rights to ensure exploitation doesn't happen, but that is extremely difficult to do even if it is the best solution and something I would agree with.

    Add to that, just as I said before, gang violence and terrorism will have to seriously be reduced for this to be an option in the first place.

    But this is the ideal, and as the world continues to improve and become more connected and technology continues to improve at a rapid rate, one day borders might be eliminated. That would be fantastic. I think 200 years from now people will be laughing at the idea that borders existed, and maybe even at the idea of a nation-state to begin with.

    As you can see I am not against your views, I think we both want a better environment with less barriers for humans, it's the difference in implementation.

    “Poverty is the parent of revolution and crime.” Aristotle

    There are many studies that link poverty and crime.  A study in Sweden (a country that collects tons of data about its citizens) showed that those who had grown up in families whose earnings were in the bottom fifth, were seven times more likely to be convicted of violent crimes and twice more likely to be convicted of drug offences than those in the top fifth.  
     
    However, what was interesting is that even if these families had an increase in income (such as over time and effort the families' income grew) the younger children born into the family with more financial comfort than their older siblings had, maintained the same level of criminality.  The family culture of criminality had been established and the younger siblings followed along - at least in that generation.  Lots of theories as to why this occurs but one is that the family is not yet secure in their new socio economic status.  It takes at least a couple of generations to develop a sense of financial and social security.  Solutions to addressing crime and violence need to be accepted as long term.
     
    Part of "open borders” acceptance is acknowledging that gangs and violence are present - there needs to be planning for an infrastructure of services to address this.  No one, with options, prefers to inject themselves with drugs to face the day, seek validation from belonging to a criminal gang, live in constant fear, attack and be attacked, and be shunned from the functioning part of society. 
     
    Understanding the precursors to a criminal life style and providing options  (adequate safe housing, food, health care, education opportunities for all - not just for targeted identified needs groups but for all) does successfully address destructive behaviour.  To judge the effectiveness of this, just look at the criminality rate of countries that provide these basic needs for all of their citizens as a matter of public policy - not for just a specific targeted group with sporadic funding of uncertain duration, depending on the politics of the day.
     
     
  10. 3 hours ago, notme said:

    We aren't ready for open borders.

    But very generous immigration policies are better for the economy - people who want to work are able to work. 

    I totally agree that immigration should be open to whoever needs a safe home and an opportunity to better their life circumstances.  Individuals will be more committed to contributing to their new community when they don't have to sneak in the back door and beg for a better life on a daily basis.

    Not sure what you mean by "not ready" so would be interested in understanding that further.  However, I am sure the people who were displaced from their homes and livelihood were "not ready" to be homeless and destitute - often as a result of American foreign policy might that sought to invade and destabilize their homes so that America could gather wealth and power.  The people who are the most ready, even if reluctantly, are the people benefiting from this subsequent wealth and power.  They have options and abilities and untapped readiness that is clearly out of reach to most of the global population.

  11. Is the world headed towards open borders, as depicted in Moshin Hamid’s novel, “Exit West”?  
     
    Advocates of open borders promote these arguments:
    1.  Economic.  It would create a richer world - doubling the world’s GDP.  Workers who move from a poor country to a rich one join a work market with monetary capital and a functioning legal system. It is estimated that more than two thirds of a person’s wealth is determined by where they live.
    2. Morality.  Where you are born is a matter of chance.  There is no moral reason to compel people to live in a poor country. Those born in a rich country have no moral right to exclude others from their country of wealth.
    Opponents of open borders promote these arguments:
    1. Poorer people in the migrants destination countries would suffer.  New arrivals would depress their wages and compete with them for social housing, etc and unemployment benefits.  Welfare states would collapse due to the millions of unemployable migrants.
    2. Cultural conflicts and clashes between native and immigrants would threaten social stability.
     
    The UN estimates that 258 million people now live in places other than their place of birth - an increase of 50% since 2000. 65 million were forcibly displaced.  Most migrated to poor or middle income countries. Rich countries have taken in only a fraction of the most vulnerable.  
     
    The Western nations need to do more to alleviate the suffering of millions - often displaced and fractured due to Western foreign policy. 
     
    Will there now be authentic public support for this move, given the protests against detaining migrants and their children who illegally cross borders?  Will actions follow words? How committed are we to promoting a welcome to people who seek to access basic rights and opportunities even when it will possibly impact our current standard of living and sense of security?
  12. 10 hours ago, notme said:

    Is Herr Drumf advocating for the immediate deportation of two of his wives without due process? Where would be be if his policy had been applied to his grandfather? 

    I think he is referring to illegal immigrants (?)  

    Don't know about his first wife, but the third one got in on the Einstein visa (?!?).  Don't think they were targeting models for this visa, but she was granted one, somehow.   Hmm...   https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43256318 

  13. 4 minutes ago, Sumerian said:

    It is divided in different categories, and this "corruption on Earth" is mainly related to highway or armed robbery and the different scenarios in which this crime is carried out.

    It has also been used in Iran for quite a varied number of offences.  

  14. 4 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

    1.killing  innocent person

    2.Mohrebeh & corruption on earth  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirabah

    3.Apostacy 

    In addition to the aforementioned offenses, the death penalty has been considered for other offenses, including the claim of prophethood, [44] insulting the prophet of Allah and the infallibles (Ali), [45] [46] sorcery, [47] [48] forced adultry, [49] [50] incest, [51] [52] adultry with married woman https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adultery , [53] [54] sodomy [55], [56], and repeating some of the crimes, including sodomy of two women with each other  https://fa.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/مساحقه, [57]  Drinking Alcohol  [ 58] and robbery. [59] In some sources, the death penalty has been set at 25 crimes. [60

    http://wikifeqh.ir/اعدام_در_اسلام

    https://www.welayatnet.com/fa/news/44014

     

    https://www.yjc.ir/fa/news/5437863/اجرای-حکم-اعدام-در-چه-مواردی-ملغی-می-شود

    http://kayhan.ir/fa/news/124533/مجازات-اعدام-در-قانون-کیفری-اسلام

    Just the "corruption on earth" can cover a lot of offences depending on the intent and how it is interpreted.  I think it is probably impossible to get a definitive black and white list.

  15. 28 minutes ago, ShiaMan14 said:

    Not sure where you got this list from  it does not look right. 

    Might be a country's law

    It is a summary from an international review.  http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1057567705283954   It is hard to get a "list" from other sources.

    Islamic law is the only religious law that is recognized by a ruling government in a Muslim majority country, but common law is also used or modelled.   Muslim countries agree on the use of the death penalty but differ widely in how and why and how often they impose it as there is often disagreement on the level of accepted proofs and how these proofs were obtained (see post of Ibrahim van Soest above for a detailed explanation) and scholar interpretations and, of course, the specific situation of the offence can influence it.    For example, drinking alcohol could vary from, drinking it, repeatedly drinking it, being drunk and in public, selling it, encouraging others to drink it, and could be complicated by other factors, such as drinking it openly during Ramadan (worst I could think of!), etc.  

  16. OK I am starting to wonder how much of this horrible situation is being further embellished for political gain which is also sick and repulsive. I would hold some of this as something to investigate and not advertise as actual fact because a ubiquitous "someone" says so.

    I can sadly acknowledge that some of these actions are really being done as parents are put in jail, but to make this situation worse by creating conditions of outright, gratuitous cruelty towards parents and children makes no sense.  Aside from the fact that very few people would actually do that, people would not go out of their way to create a situation that is even harder to manage.  

  17. "The death penalty is recognized for the seven hudud crimes which include adultery, defamation, drinking alcohol, theft, highway robbery, apostasy, and corruption of Islam. These are the most severe crimes as these acts are seen as a threat to society."  However, you might need a book to describe the reasoning behind the death penalty to be applied knowledgeably. Some of the listed reasons for execution are somewhat subjective and would require intense scrutiny so as not to be misused.

  18. 1 hour ago, hasanhh said:

    You two are deliberately contriving statements l did not make. Re-read at the top where l wrote things "are messed up all the way around".

    Just was responding to Shia14's post.  Did not know it was a continuation of other posts you (and he?) had made.  

    Also didn't know that illegal immigrants qualified for welfare. Do you mean documented asylum seekers waiting a hearing or those who have no documentation at all?

  19. 9 minutes ago, ShiaMan14 said:

    What handouts do illegals get?

    The percentage of illegals criminals is probably on our with the percentage of legal criminals. 

    If any thing, we should deport illegal criminals, revoke citizenship of legal criminals and give it to illegal law-abiding immigrants. Multiple poems solved. 

    The whole immigration debate is just a fear - mongering vote - getting tactic.

    Illegals can get pro bono legal assistance and can go to free medical clinics staffed by volunteers and work underground jobs at slave wages... but I would not call that handouts. 

    You mean develop penal colonies like they did in Britain (Australia) and France (Devil's Island)? Hmm...  First Nations people do something similar - they send the offender away to contemplate for a year on their own in some desolate area with minimal tools and resources.  Probably works.

    Based on the amount of press it is getting (and also must be a deflection from something else that is happening quietly behind the scenes) I totally agree.

  20. 1 hour ago, hasanhh said:

    Not true.

    Also, "ordained" is the wrong word. Permitted is more accurate and in some cases "encouraged" to avoid sin and such things.

    If your habitation will be hell if you didn't  migrate when oppressed, that sounds a lot more dogmatic than permitted or encouraged.'

    Lo! as for those whom the angels take (in death) while they wrong themselves, (the angels) will ask: In what were ye engaged? They will say: We were oppressed in the land. (The angels) will say: Was not Allah's earth spacious that ye could have migrated therein? As for such, their habitation will be hell, an evil journey's end;

  21. 2 hours ago, notme said:

    I don't know your background, I only know the words you share here. Perhaps classist, but certainly some kind of elitism must be the cause of justifying cruel crimes against impoverished children. I can't fathom any other justification. Those people could be you, but for your fortunate birth, or their unfortunate birth. 

    Reminds me of an old quote which was on a wall on one of the buildings at my university - I am not sure of the origin. It said "There but for the grace of God, go I"  Something we should always remember.

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