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In the Name of God بسم الله

forte

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  1. Maybe it would be helpful to develop some perspective. The flood gates were opened when a thread was started asking if an Arab would marry a non Arab. The early responses had very strong bias against non Arabs as worthy of marriage to an Arab which is unIslamic. When extreme ethnocentric bias is stated, you have to be prepared for reaction to that. You cant have it one way. Also worshipping a "nation" will lead you into troubled waters as well, especially in Islam where that is strongly discouraged. The reaction was relatively mild given some of the xenophobic comments. Actually, this whole site is pretty milk toast nowadays in comparison with the old days where posters were held to account for every phrase.
  2. I knew it was bad, but didn't know how bad. Really interesting data.
  3. Yes, they will be raised in the non-Muslim foster care system. Saying that, what services are available for her and her siblings and others In similar need in the Muslim (and Iraqi?) community? If she approached the Muslim community would she have been quickly sent back to her abusers? Why did she have to go outside the community to get protection and support? Unless there is acknowledgement of these cultural issues and supports are put in place to help them, we will lose more children. Our children are more important than worrying about avoiding offending those who feel they have the right to engage in harmful cultural practices.
  4. That report is a gift to us. Any time the Catholic Church was involved in the care of children, there was abuse, Check out the role they played in the First Nations residential schools. The abuse was not just sexual, but also physical and emotional and cultural. Children were forcefully taken from their homes, taken to what for them would have been a remote foreign place with no personal support, made to be compliant to these men, reject the values and direction of their family, and remake themselves in the image of the priests who ran them by changing their native religion, language and culture and be easy marks for abuse. This also happened in the "sanctity" of the church throughout the world and only really has been exposed in the west. Most sexual crimes are crimes of opportunity and being alone with a child with zero accountability for their actions will bring out every child abuser. Priests operated with impunity. Exposure of a priest by a child would bring punishment at home and relaying how they had been sexual abused to friends would bring embarrassment and possible censure and so these boys over generations were quiet. Some boys were not even aware that their friends that they saw on a daily basis were also being abused till decades later. The child blamed themselves as they felt it was something they did or said that was unique to them alone. Belief that you are to blame is, in itself, is very damaging. This damage is often life long. Instead of downplaying this, it needs to be screamed out long and hard as abuse of children goes on in schools of religion everywhere - not just the Catholic Church. Religion schools - including Islamic - (whether full time or after school) have not yet exposed the abuse that they know that is happening for a multitude of reasons - not wanting to expose someone who could cause them personal damage due to the perpetrator's status in the community, honour and pride and the stated belief that the organization does a lot more good than harm and so it is best just to be quiet.. It is covered up, the abuser is moved to another location, etc but basically due to the enormity of the problems and lack of being able to know what to do, most in the know, remain silent. We need to be able to feel we have the power to act on these issues. The Catholic Church was very slow to acknowledge the part they played in the abuse of children despite the many accounts from many damaged young men, but it is happening now and should be used as a wake up call to everyone that something can be done. The Catholic Church is no different than any other centre where there is clear opportunity and a reluctance to act, often due to culture and pride, on the part of the abused child and their family or on the part of those we have entrusted to the care of their children. Members of the Catholic Church need to be applauded for the consistent and exceptionally brave (the Catholic Church was very powerful and almost ran some of the communities where people spoke up) outing of abuse. They did not shrink away from threats, payouts and censure from people who attacked them for attacking the church. Trying to minimize this would be a slap in their face.
  5. LOL Seems weird but short tempers seem to be overfed in these situations. People can get very aggressive in parking lots. I think the Stop signs are an attempt (probably in vain) to tame the savage "I need to be first!" beast in us.
  6. Would this apply to all "countries" (delineated my man) - or just a chosen few? Does love of ones place of birth grant them rights over others? Should native born citizens of all countries not afford the same citizens' rights to foreigners? If so, that would impact a lot of us on this site.
  7. You have to watch which country and where you live in many Muslim majority countries - significant (much more than you would ever find in the west) issues in Qatar, Bahrain, KSA, many parts of Iraq, etc.. come to mind.
  8. The point is NOT that the death penalty increases murders, it is that it does NOT appear to deter them - which is one of the main reasons people say they support the death penalty. And if we truly focus on addressing the social problems of underprivileged members of society due to poverty and circumstances through no fault of their own (those who happen to be disproportionately executed), it would be very hard to justify killing them within the social justice we are affording them. No one said to remove the death penalty from Sharia. It was emphasized that the death penalty is permissible - not wajib. There are mitigating factors (such as mental illness) that can affect the sentence, and families can forgive and there is the option of blood price, etc. The OP asked: "What are your thoughts on the death penalty (ie capital punishment)? You can discuss it from the Jurisprudence angle, but I'm also interested in the social, political, and practical/real life dimension." That is what I was responding to.
  9. There is a lot of confusion due to a lot of misinformation about mental illness. There are some crazy and bizarre cultural ideas about people with mental illness and this can create some pretty harsh, judgemental opinions. Severe, life changing psychiatric conditions are almost always due to a neurochemical imbalance and they are genetically loaded. They are usually treated with long term medications and therapy. Psychological conditions are behavioural and are due to a way of thinking (brought on by environment, drug use, life happenstance) which can produce behaviours harmful to the point of creating a miserable, unproductive life. They are treated with rest from environmental and/or chemical stressors, cognitive therapy and sometimes when there are severe symptoms, with temporary medications that facilitate access to therapy. Sometimes, there is a combination of both. For example, clinical depression can be very complex with both psychiatric and psychological factors and can be difficult to treat even by people who have a vast educational background and have years of experience working with these patients.
  10. Never assume. I would stop. A driver who skipped the stop sign probably assumed that there was no traffic: On April 6, 2018, sixteen people were killed and thirteen injured when a westbound semi-trailer truck struck a northbound coach bus near Armley, Saskatchewan, Canada <aka in the middle of nowhere with very flat terrain where you would not expect to see anyone for hours even going at top speed>. The semi-trailer had failed to yield at a flashing stop sign at the intersection of Highways 35 and 335. Both the bus and the semi trailer were travelling at top speed when they collided. Most of those that survived have severe life long paralysis and brain injury. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humboldt_Broncos_bus_crash
  11. Not necessarily. The death penalty is permissible but I am not aware of where it absolutely must be applied. The judge has the right to discretion when applying sentence. Mitigating factors can be taken into account such as mental health issues, circumstance, power position of the individuals involved etc. Countries applying Sharia law differ in their interpretation of when the death penalty should be used. Tunisia, for example, rarely uses the death penalty. Then again, there is forgiveness by family members and the possibility of blood price. Muslim family members who forgive the killer of their loved ones are definitely saying no to the death penalty. If it is applied, it is yet another life taken and it has no constructive purpose other than to hurt another family. The woman in the film clip above wants to have her son's death have some sense of meaning so it is not just a senseless loss. If she can turn this guy's life around, she can benefit his family and hers and is ultimately working for the greater good of the community. Being a Muslim means you accept that the death penalty is permissible, but you do not have to support its application. My biggest objection is that it is grossly disproportionately applied to people with low social-economic status in both Muslim and non Muslim countries and therefore open to abuse. I dont know either. I know that Saudi applies the death penalty as a punishment for more than just murder; they have a myriad of reasons as to why they execute people, including political, so it would be hard to correlate. It is easier just to look at countries that do not have the death penalty vs countries that do not have the death penalty and then. compare violent crime statistics
  12. There are so many things wrong with the death penalty process that it is hard to support it. However, extreme heinous crimes lead to wanting to exact revenge on the person who committed the crime, and even though I am not sure if revenge is a good motive for killing someone, I would probably support it. Anyway, problems with the death penalty in general: Highly disproportionate number of people who receive the death penalty are poor and have little to no advocacy or means to advocacy. People with money (and/or power) who commit murder can get themselves out of the situation anywhere in the world through everything from paying for huge specialized legal teams to engaging in clear corruption - giving bribes or giving threats against judges, jurors etc, . Unless it is one law for all members of society, it should not be used. Keeping some young marginalized, deluded kid (often a teen) in a small cell for 23 hours a day for many years, often decades, is cruel and inhumane - it is psychological torture and leads to significant mental disorders. I understand the legal appeal process takes a long time but originally the death penalty was the penalty.... not lengthy imprisonment and then the death penalty. Lengthy process causes stress for victims' and perpetrator's families. People cannot move on with their lives as the death penalty hangs over their heads for a generation of people. Actual commission of the death sentence has many mis-steps. People killing the prisoner are not properly trained to carry out the process of the death sentence with the equipment given. Also, countries with the death penalty do not see a reduction in murders; it is the opposite. Countries without the death penalty have lower rates of violent crime.
  13. Glad to hear you are still in a happy frame of mind. How long have you thought you were God?
  14. Glad you are not feeling hateful thoughts at the moment - How long have you thought you were God?
  15. What Allah did had nothing to do with you - How long have you thought you were God?
  16. I oppose YOUR behaviour - How long have you thought you were God?
  17. That has nothing to do with your behaviour - How long have you thought you were God?
  18. I am opposing your behaviour - how long have you thought you were God?
  19. You are the only one that I have challenged, as you know. Why do you think you are God?
  20. You obviously do not know the meaning of projection within the parameters of psychology - but I am sure that will not stop you from misusing the term. At least you are consistent. You did not misunderstand me - you just want to avoid what has been pointed out to you. Arrogance leads to loneliness. Try a little humility.
  21. You continue to be ill mannered, immature and obnoxious. Continuing arrogance and demonstrations of omnipotence with attempts (yet again!) to redirect from your own accountability.
  22. You seem to think you are a master at redirection to avoid being held accountable. You have a long ways to go if this is your aim. At least think about some of the things you have written, and think about how this way of thinking and conjecturing must reflect in other areas of your life and in your relationships with others. I believe you will find a correlation. It is up to you.
  23. This is typical twisting of what I wrote - which is abundantly clear unless you have the need to duck and hide from your behaviour. You are comparing yourself to God now? Pathetic.
  24. Overwhelming anger and the need to hate to the point where one feels comfortable attempting to dehumanize people they have never met and feel the need to create scenarios that don't exist anywhere but in a very confused mind, must be emotionally very painful. The misguided comments made here, attempting to link vastly disparate circumstances are totally irrational.
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