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  1. Completely Agree
    Panzerwaffe got a reaction from Eddie Mecca in About Iran developing Nuclear Weapon....   
    A ballistic missile with a CEP of hundreds of meters is a pretty indiscriminate weapon as well 
    this needs to be re-evaluated 
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    Panzerwaffe reacted to Ashvazdanghe in Kumayl ibn ziyad - lost years   
    Salam although it's from wikipedia but it's proven by other shia sites .
    Kumayl disappears from history[edit]
    There are no historical records of Kumayl during the period between 40 AH (660 CE) to 80 AH.[1] After the martyrdom of Imam Ali, Kumayl suddenly disappeared for 40 years. High scholars have no clue as to where he was during these years. He is not mentioned in any major events, including the Event of Ashura, nor is he mentioned after that event, until 80 AH.[1] However, there is a theory that Kumayl was imprisoned by Governor Ubayd Allah ibn Ziyad (no blood relation of Kumayl), because there are historical records of a person named Kumayl al-Hamadan'i, who was imprisoned by Ubayd Allah ibn Ziyad.[1] The title al-Hamadan'i is given to a person from the tribe of Hamadan of Yemen.[1] The Hamadan tribe was one of the four major tribes of Yemen and was closely linked to the Banu Nakha tribe - the tribe that Kumayl ibn Ziyad is from, hence his title al-Nakha'i. The theory is that the historical records might have misspelled, or misinterpreted, or misunderstood, or confused Kumayl's title, so that Kumayl al-Hamadan'i was actually Kumayl al-Nakha'i (Kumayl ibn Ziyad).[1]
     
    Kumayl's reappearance and the revolt against al-Hajjaj ibn Yusuf al-Thaqafi[edit]
    When Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan took power, he made Hajjaj ibn Yusuf the governor of Kufa. Al-Hajjaj did his best to please Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan by imprisoning protesters, innocent men, and women - mainly Shi’as.[1][7]
     
     
    Kumayl reappears[edit]
    Kumayl distanced himself from any political/Muslim affairs after the martyrdom of his best friend and teacher, Imam Ali. But when he heard that Hajjaj ibn Yusuf became governor, Kumayl took a stand.[1][7] At the time Kumayl was either 82 or 83 years old.[1]
    The Revolt[edit]
    Moreover, people (not just Shia's) hated him with a passion because he was unjust and wicked.[7] For example, he wanted them to fight in war only to see them die, conquer land only to ransack them of their treasures, and he killed innocent people.[7] They were tired of him ruling with an iron fist.[7] This can be most famously seen in The Revolt of Abd al-Rahman ibn Muhammad ibn al-Ash'ath.
    The battle of al-Jamājum[edit]
    In 82 AH (701–702 CE), Abd al-Rahman, Kumayl Bin Ziyad, Sa'id ibn Jubayr, and the rebels clashed against Abd al-Malik, Hajjaj, and the Khurasan army in what would become known as the Battle of al-Jamājum (Battle of Deer).[7][12] It has been said to have been a violent, bloody battle.[7] Unfortunately there little detail about this battle except that Abd al-Malik, Hajjaj, and the Khurasan army managed to defeat the rebels.[12] Some rebels escaped and Abd al-Rahman, Kumail Bin Zyyad, and Sa'id ibn Jubayr avoided being captured.[7][12] Abd al-Rahman fled back to Turkey.[12] Those who were less fortunate, or who were captured, were executed by command of Hajjaj.[12]
     
    5- Qarian cavalry
     
    Capture and kill[edit]
    After the Battle of al-Jamājum, Hajjaj, who was still the governor of Kufa, ordered that all the rebels who escaped from the battle were to be captured and brought back to be punished. The main bounties were placed on Abd al-Rahman, Kumayl Bin Ziyad, and Sa'id ibn Jubayr
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumayl_ibn_Ziyad
    Demise
    Imam Ali (a) had foretold Kumayl's demise.[17] Most historians said that he passed away in 82/701-2,[18] but al-Tabari said it was in 83/702-3,[19] and al-'Asqalani quoted Yahya b. Ma'in that it was in 88/706-7.[20]
    He was 70 when he passed away.[21] Al-Dhahabi narrated from al-Mada'ini that he was 90.
    He was killed by the order of al-Hajjaj b. Yusuf al-Thaqafi.[22] Al-Hajjaj summoned him but he fled, so al-Hajjaj persecuted his relatives and tribe. When he knew that, he went to al-Hajjaj, and after a conversation between them, al-Hajjaj gave the order for his execution.[23] His tomb is located in Thuwayya, on the route of Kufa to Najaf, near the al-Hannana mosque.[24]
    https://en.wikishia.net/view/Kumayl_b._Ziyad_al-Nakha'i
    9 - Anger of Hajjaj
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    At the time of Hajjaj, Kumail has been targeted by his anger and he demanded him due  to the blood of Uthman. Then he sent someone after him; But Kumail ran away. Hajjaj accused the people of Nakha, who were his people, and questioned him. When Kumail saw the fear of his people who had two thousand warriors, he said: Death is better than two thousand warriors being in fear because of me and me being at ease. Then he went toward  Hajjaj. Hajjaj said to him: You were the one who wanted to kill Uthman and Uthman forgave you?[38][39] Then he said: I always wanted to reach you. At this time, Kumail said: I don't know by Allah from which one of us are more angry? From Uthman who introduced himself as revenge or from me who passed him. Then he said: "O Thaqafi man  , you don't gnash your teeth at me and don't flow on me like a pile of sand, and don't show your teeth to me  like a wolf ." By Allah, there is no more time left in my life than the period of being thirsty, drinking water in the morning and dying at night. Do whatever you want, the promise is sometimes with Allahd and it is reckoned after death. Hajjaj said: The proof is against you. Kumail also said: If the judgment is in your hands, this is the case.[40][41]
    10- Kumail's killer
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    Then Hajjaj mentioned Ali (peace be upon him) and Kumail sent greetings to Ali (peace be upon him). Upon seeing this scene, Hajjaj said to Kumail: I will send the person who has the most hatred towards Ali (peace be upon him) to kill you. Then he sent  Abu al-Jahim bin Kananeh kalbi  and [he] killed Kumaill bin Ziyad [42][43] The name of his killer has been reported by some sources such as Tarikh al-Islam Dhahabi, [as] Ibn Adham al-Homsi. His age is also said to be 90 years. [44] And at this time, which was the year 82 (AH), he was a 70-year-old man. [45][46]
    https://fa.wikifeqh.ir/کمیل_بن_زیاد
     
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    Panzerwaffe got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Kumayl ibn ziyad - lost years   
    I wanted to inquire about Kumayls  life from 40 AH to 70 AH 
    SOME say he was in prison of ubaidullah ibn ziyad but if that’s so wasn’t he liberated when ibn ziyad  was killed ? Esp when Mukhtār was in. Power 
    also he had no role in tawwabun or later when ibn Zubayr were in power 
     
     
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    Panzerwaffe got a reaction from Abu Nur in About Iran developing Nuclear Weapon....   
    A ballistic missile with a CEP of hundreds of meters is a pretty indiscriminate weapon as well 
    this needs to be re-evaluated 
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    Panzerwaffe got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in About Iran developing Nuclear Weapon....   
    A ballistic missile with a CEP of hundreds of meters is a pretty indiscriminate weapon as well 
    this needs to be re-evaluated 
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    Panzerwaffe reacted to Vigilare in Ubaidullah Ibn Abbas   
    Ibn Abbas refers to Abdullah, not his brother. Just like ibn Umar refers to Abdullah ibn Umar not his brother.
    They're not the same person. Abdullah ibn Abbas remained a supporter of Imam Hassan while Ubaydullah, as noted by Panzerwaffe, left Imam Hassans camp and joined Muawiyah.
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    Panzerwaffe reacted to Abu Nur in The Sermon of Imam al-Hasan (as) After the Martyrdom of Imam Ali (as)   
    This is Sermon of Imam Al-Hasan (عليه السلام) from Sunnis that have been authenticated as sahih by Al-Albani. What is interesting is the statement of "A man parted with you, who was unparalleled by all those before him and beyond the reach of those after him." and "Gabriel on his right and Mikael on his left".
  8. Thanks
    Panzerwaffe reacted to Ashvazdanghe in Choosing Islamic Name   
    Qays b. Sa'd b. Ubada
     
    https://en.wikishia.net/view/Qays_b._Sa'd_b._Ubada
  9. My Prayers
    Panzerwaffe got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Choosing Islamic Name   
    Go for Qays , he was remarkable supporter of Amer ul momineen 
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    Panzerwaffe got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Mukhtar thaqafi   
    Right so that’s what I meant fighting for either Musab and Abdullah is same thing 
    yes that ansari is the governor of ibn Zubayr in kufa who  was a trusted companion of imam Ali too . It didn’t cause confusion for me but for inoles who calls her an “ Umayyad governor” 
    and btw ibn arqam and ibn azib in the Hadith you mentioned are also ansars who were supporters of Ali further strengthening my argument 
     
  11. Thanks
    Panzerwaffe reacted to AbdusSibtayn in Mukhtar thaqafi   
    Sure, you're welcome. 
    Here is Sayyid al-Khu'i (rh)'s view:
    https://www.al-khoei.us/books/?id=7947
  12. Disagree
    Panzerwaffe got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Mukhtar thaqafi   
    “ self ascribed Shias” is a very misleading term because the same accusation was made against mukhtar himself. 
    furthermore some of the people who actually killed ibn ziyad ( Ibrahim b Ashtar ) for Mukhtār later joined “ nawasib” like ibn Zubayr against Umayyad’s 
    I  think things we can all agree on is that regardless of the circumstances he went of his way to punish the killers of Husayn and gave mawalis their fair share in the govt. it can be argued that if it wasn’t for him, those two things would not have happened at least for another generation
     
     
     
  13. Disagree
    Panzerwaffe got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Mukhtar thaqafi   
    There are problems in details here Abdullah b yazid is not a Umayyad governor of kufa 
    he was a companion of Ali fought with him in his battles and was appointed by ibn Zubayr as governer, his attitude towards ibn sured was far more sympathetic ( largely because of latters hostility to Umayyads). Than his attitude towards mukhtar.
    abdullah b yazid is not anti Shia even later btw he led the funeral prayers and burial of one of the most staunch Shias of kufa ( harith first name ) forget his full name but incident is in sahih Muslim I believe 
    also he is chided by son of Talha for being too weak and supporting of tawwabun as he allowed them to prepare for war without any restrictions and was removed by ibn Zubayr later 
    just a small but many example of that several anti Umayyad personalities of Iraq also had deep reservations about mukhtar 
    I do agree with you that the social reforms of mukhtar were concerning to all Arab tribal leaders regardless of their religious inclination 
     
  14. Thanks
    Panzerwaffe got a reaction from AbdusSibtayn in Mukhtar thaqafi   
    Thank you so much , looking forward to it whenever you have time. 
  15. Partially Agree
    Panzerwaffe got a reaction from Sabrejet in Marriage of uthman   
    Uthman probably was a great sahabi during the life of the Prophet but many of his actions were indefensible as a caliph, he single handily derailed the system of meritocracy built by Umar and his nepotism was a radical departure from the policy of first 2 caliphs 
    what’s why there was broad based revolution against him and he was killed trying to defend the killer of a companion. We don’t even know if he died a believer. 
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    Panzerwaffe reacted to Abu Nur in Mukhtar thaqafi   
    Salaam Aleikum,
    Those hadiths are not weak. It is possible that the Imam (عليه السلام) said them in Taqiyyah.
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    Panzerwaffe reacted to AbdusSibtayn in Mukhtar thaqafi   
    Sayyid Khu'i (rh) 's view is that the ahadith against him are either ambiguous, weak in sanad or in taqiyyah, or incomplete in their mutoon wherein we get the full picture from the other shawahid. The ones in his praise are more sound in transmission and documentation and more categorical. I don't think there is any 'consensus' among the Twelver scholarship; some simply do tawaqquf on him (like al-Majlisi rh) while the others are in his favour. 
    Even some of the narrations from the Baqirayn (عليه السلام) indicting him end with the promise that he will receive their intercession despite all his putative blunders and offences, because he rose to avenge al-Hussayn (as)'s blood and took his murderers to the gallows. That hints towards something. 
    I don't have the references now and this all from memory. I will have to dig them up, and inshallah I'll find the time, but the majority of the material which I am quoting is from his mu'jam al-rijal, and the discussions by his students on Mukhtaar's character. 
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    Panzerwaffe got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Marriage of uthman   
    Uthman probably was a great sahabi during the life of the Prophet but many of his actions were indefensible as a caliph, he single handily derailed the system of meritocracy built by Umar and his nepotism was a radical departure from the policy of first 2 caliphs 
    what’s why there was broad based revolution against him and he was killed trying to defend the killer of a companion. We don’t even know if he died a believer. 
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    Panzerwaffe got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Mukhtar thaqafi   
    True 
    but his old movement was based on alleged loyalty to ahlulbayt , and he had a very precarious reputation during his small tenure 
  20. Disagree
    Panzerwaffe got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Mukhtar thaqafi   
    True 
    I think it is very difficult to find a completely unbiased or even relatively objective source on Mukhtar 
    but that does not mean we take extreme views on him 
    honestly the way most 12er defend mukhtar blindly is similar to the way Sunnis defend some Sahaba. 
  21. Disagree
    Panzerwaffe got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Mukhtar thaqafi   
    Then you must think really highly of the two elders who are buried next to our prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) 
  22. Partially Agree
    Panzerwaffe reacted to 145_turbo_16V in I am a Sunni, and I have been lied to and deceived my whole life   
    Salam Saberrider sahb,
    is this your story or are you posting someone else's story?
    Also if you ask a lot of Sunnis they will say that "how do you know what was going to be written? You shias have wild imaginations". I've talked to so many of these types before. They will say "even if Rasullullah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) was going to appoint someone, it would be Abu Bakr". But the fact is, many deny that leadership was on Rasullullah's (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) mind and that he (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) left it to the ummah.
    But if you look at Ibn Hajr's Fath Al Bari you will see under the keyword kitaban, he writes, it was about leadership. Now this DOESN'T PROVE Imamah or khilafah BUT, it does prove that there are sunnis who believe that the question of leadership was on Rasullullah's (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) mind.
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    Panzerwaffe reacted to SO SOLID SHIA in Mukhtar thaqafi   
    From what I understand is that Mokhtar allegedly pulled some cunning manoeuvres to achieve some kind of authority and get a cosign from the Imam of the time. I watched the series and he also went to one of Imam Ali's other sons Muhammad Hanafiya ? The leg dude lol in the series he kept moaning about his leg I thought they depicted him to be a bit weak......Lord knows . Anyways the POINT is okay he may have done what he felt was necessary and in the process allegedly been called a liar, some say it was during Taqiyyah times whatever but so what ? If our brothers can make excuses for crimes way worse that were committed against the ahlul Bayt and the Muslim nation of those times  by some sahaba 
    'ohhhh Muawiyah and Ali were both right..they were brothers anyway it was just a little disagreement...radianlahuann' 
    'ohhh that was a mistake , anyways let Allah judge, you don't know what's in their heart ' 
    Then I'm sorry, we can apply that to Mokhtar. So he was called a liar ? Does anyone accept him as an infallible or part of the ahlul bayt? Nah he was just a regular dude that did what he thought was necessary at the time ..he took worldly revenge on criminals. Kind of like a vigilante Assassin. Again I'd take mukhtar Thaqafi over a Khaled bin Waleed . And definitely would not condemn a man like Mukhtar if some of the brothers are using it as some kind of leverage to try and point out flaws in shia belief. (EVEN IF IT IS WRONG LOL FIRSTLY PEOPLE HAVE TO CALL OUT THEIR OWN )
    pot calling the kettle black. It's like selling your guy out. 
    Big him up may Allah forgive him for his shortcomings. I'd like to know what any later Imams said about him ? Apparently imam Sadiq (a) cosigned him, am I right ?
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    Panzerwaffe got a reaction from SO SOLID SHIA in Mukhtar thaqafi   
    Give me names of Shia Arab leaders who had supported imam Ali and also fought to the death with Mukhtar 
    then we can talk 
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    Panzerwaffe reacted to SO SOLID SHIA in Mukhtar thaqafi   
    Come on @123xo don't let us down !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I like Mokhtar too you gotta back it . You're on the ropes dripping with sweat like you just took a dive in the Billabong come on mate !!!! Don't be such a dag fair dinkum put some timmen bagilleh on the Barbie 
     
    Yes my third eye was wide open to the spiritual realities and I've attained such a level Alhamdulillah that any demonic entities are hidden well away from me.
     
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