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  1. I think its gonna be Hillary, coz the Clintons and the Bushes are all in it together.
  2. (salam) A Sunni/Sufi friend of mine refuses to accept the authenticity of Hadith-e-Kisa (as tafseer of Ayat-e-Tathir) on the grounds that there are different versions of the Hadith in different books. In one version, the hadith is related by Bibi Ayesha, whereas in another it is related by Bibi Umme Salama. He believes that it was a shia ploy to relate the Hadith on the authority of one of the wives in order to lend credence to the fact that the wives were not included in the Ahlul Bayt, but that the shias could not manage to be coherent and therefore some said the wife was Bibi Ayesha, while others said it was Bibi Umme Salama. I am hoping someone will offer a more plausible explanation as to why the different versions exist. I am assuming the event took place one, and the ayat was revealed once and that therefore there would be one place and one group of people who witnessed and one sequence of events. Regards.
  3. Areef, Please try to comprehend the content of a post before replying. I said that you will not find an example of a prophet being a polytheist before the start of his mission. And what did I get from you in return? Did you give me any proof of a prophet being a polytheist (like Umar) before he started preaching? All you could muster up were parables about the trials that the prophets had to go through and you concluded it by some strange statement about infallibility. Firstly, your post does not even go far enough to disprove the infallibility of the Prophets much less prove their indulgence in polytheism. So what if Moses killed a man who was attacking a Israelite? Does protecting a member of his community from one of Pharoah's men make him a sinner? And his questioning Hazrat Khizr also does not come close to sin because Hazrat Khizr is not God, and if a Moses became impatient with him it does not constitute disbelief. The other examples cited by you also may constitute what is known as tarq-e-aula, but it does not approach the level of sin. The Prophet's asking God for mercy and forgiveness is relative to these acts and shows their immense humility. The questions you should be answering however are: 1. How is it that the Holy Prophet (pbuh) and Hazrat Ali (as) who did not run away from the battle field, were unaware of the "Will of Allah" while Umar was? 2. It has been rightly stated by another poster that for Umar to be a prophet AFTER Muhammad (pbuh) , he would have to have a higher status than the Holy Prophet (pbuh) . What is your reply to that? I hope you dont find that plausible.
  4. zensky

    agha khan

    Just Be Well, I'd like to ask you this question: Supposing you weren't born into the Ismaili faith, and hence did not have the blind loyalty that you clearly possess for your Imam. How would you come to the conclusion that your Imam is indeed the true Imam? Or let me put it another way: Supposing your Imam was to pass away, and an imposter was to take his place, how would you know that this man was an imposter and not the true Imam? You will definitely agree that there is the possibility of this happening and that such occurences have indeed happened in the past. In fact, from your point of view, the 12er Imams after Imam Jafar as Sadiq (as) were not true Imams. Therefore, a follower of the true Imam should be aware of how to distinguish between the true Imam and an imposter. So, my question is, how would you make this distinction? If the imposter established himself as the Aga Khan and started changing the shariah of the Holy Prophet, you would not hold it against him because you would claim that he being the Imam has the authority to re-interpret religion and make changes as he sees fit to keep up with the times. If he allowed haraam things to be sold in the hotels that he owns, you couldn't point a finger at him. In fact, he could own a string of brothels and your argument would be that you cant force someone to stay away from illegitimate sex so its okay to own brothels so long as you or your Imam dont visit them. In my opinion, with this subtle and incomprehensible philosophy of the zahir and the batin that has been cleverly instituted in Ismailism, it is extremely easy for anyone (even someone like myself) to establish himself as the Imam. For no matter what I do, you wouldnt be able to challenge me and I could refute any argument by saying that you dont understand the esoteric aspect of my acts because you lack the knowledge that I as your Imam possess. Regards.
  5. I think this is an unnecessary discussion. It is obvious even to the blind that the hadith about Umar being a prophet after Muhammad (pbuh) is fake because it defies logic and something that is so illogical can not be attributed to the Holy Prophet. One does not even need to do any in depth research on this nonsense. Umar was a polytheist for the better part of his life. There has never been any prophet in the entire history of the world who has committed shirk for even a single day of his life. The whole idea is preposterous. Those who support this fake hadith should be challenged to produce evidence of at least one prophet who worshipped something other than Allah for any period of time before the start of the mission. If they can not, they should abandon this fallacy that someone like Umar could ever be a prophet. This has nothing to do with the faith of someone who converts from another religion - this has to do with the Adalat of Allah (SWT). If ex-polytheists were given prophethood, then as soon as they began their mission, people would exclaim that hitherto you were prostrating to idols, now suddenly you are preaching tawheed! It just wouldn't work out. That is why, prophets are born on the right faith, and they have complete knowledge of religion since the day of their birth. That is why Moses (as) knew it was haraam for him to drink the milk of the pagan women in the Pharaoh's court, and that is why Jesus exclaimed to those who were slandering his mother that he was the prophet of God - though he was perhaps not even a day old. Someone who spends a lifetime in ignorance and sin can not possibly be a prophet, though he may convert and die as a good Muslim and achieve high status in heaven.
  6. zensky

    agha khan

    Relevant in all ages and time? That's your justification for altering the salat?!?!? Pray tell me what has changed in the 1400 years since Muhammad (pbuh) that makes Salat irrelevant? Have people become so pious that they dont need salat anymore? Salat makes you humble and protects you from sin. Are the people of the 21st century so humble and so protected from sin that they dont need salat? The point is that none of the true Imams from the progeny of the Holy Prophet which even you follow up to Imam Jaffer as Sadiq (as) introduced an iota of change in the religion of Muhammad (pbuh) . They did not change prayer or fasting, but your Imams changed it. Why? So because we cant force people to stay away from haraam things, we should make them available to people? Is this your justification or the justification given by your Imam? Do you think the Holy Prophet was unaware of the fact that you can not force people to stay away from haraam? Why then did he declare the drinking, buying, selling and transporting of alcohol haraam? In Islam it is not permissible to make halaal something declared haraam by the Holy Prophet. Ever. No Imam has the authority to do that. The halal of Muhammad (pbuh) is halal till the Day of Judgment and his haraam is haraam till the day of Judgment. I dont think there was any ambiguity in the Quranic verse I quoted. There's no possibility for multiple interpretations so there's no MY brand of Islam or YOUR brand of Islam. The ayat clearly asks Muslim women to thrown their "head coverings" over their "bosoms". This shows that both the head and the chest must be covered. I dont think you read the ayat properly. Read it first, then try whatever acrobatics you want to try and re-interpret it to suit your Imam's way of life. Are you accusing the Holy Prophet of indulging in betting? Please dont blaspheme. This is where your ignorance has led you and your Imam doesnt seem to protect you from such pitfalls (which leads me to conclude that you're in no better state than the rest of the ummah who in your opinion are like sheep without a shepherd). For your info, horse racing is not "the only game in Islam" in which betting is allowed, it is also allowed in archery. BUT only the participants (i.e., those riding the horses or those throwing the arrows) are allowed to bet. I dont that is the case with your Imam's horses now is it? For the audiences, it is absolutely haraam!
  7. Chapter 5 of the Quran: [5.116] And when Allah will say: O Isa son of Marium! did you say to men, Take me and my mother for two gods besides Allah he will say: Glory be to Thee, it did not befit me that I should say what I had no right to (say); if I had said it, Thou wouldst indeed have known it; Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I do not know what is in Thy mind, surely Thou art the great Knower of the unseen things. [5.117] 1 did not say to them aught save what Thou didst enjoin me with: That serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord, and I was a witness of them so long as I was among them, but when Thou didst cause me to die, Thou wert the watcher over them, and Thou art witness of all things. [5.118] If Thou shouldst chastise them, then surely they are Thy servants; and if Thou shouldst forgive them, then surely Thou art the Mighty, the Wise. [5.119] Allah will say: This is the day when their truth shall benefit the truthful ones; they shall have gardens beneath which rivers flow to abide in them for ever: Allah is well pleased with them and they are well pleased with Allah; this is the mighty achievement. [5.120] Allah's is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and what is in them; and He has power over all things.
  8. zensky

    agha khan

    1. Why is your Imam prescribing a different form of salat? Did Imam Ali prescribe a salat different from the salat of Prophet Muhammad? Did Imam Hussain? Did Imam Jaffar as Sadiq? If the rest of the Muslim Ummah can follow (as closely as possible) the salat of the Prophet then so can you! 2. I think you have short term memory problems. In post 22 you said "Ismailies do not learn Arabic quran with tafseer. We follow the guidance of our Imam of the Time who is the Speaking Quran for us. Of course, we still believe in the Quran and refer to it and read it, but it does not play a major role in our religious life as it does with other Muslims." 3. "it is something that one requires to run a hotel in the modern world." This is the Shaitan's way of leading people astray. If your business requires you to go against the Commands of Allah, it is better to give up your business. The Holy Prophet cursed not only those who drank alcohol, but also those who served it, traded it and transported it. 4. You say the Quran does not command hijab. That's because, like you said, the Quran does not play a major role in your life so you have no idea what it does or does not say. In your opinion, is the wife of the Aga Khan (as shown in the picture) following the commands of Allah in this ayat? [24.31] And say to the believing women that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts and do not display their ornaments except what appears thereof, and let them wear their head-coverings over their bosoms, and not display their ornaments except to their husbands or their fathers, or the fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or those whom their right hands possess, or the male servants not having need (of women), or the children who have not attained knowledge of what is hidden of women; and let them not strike their feet so that what they hide of their ornaments may be known; and turn to Allah all of you, O believers! so that you may be successful. 5.I dont have to examine the AKDN financial statements. His horses make headlines all over the world by winning races. In these races, betting takes place which is HARAAM! Get it? It's like owning a casino - even if you yourself do not gamble, its still HARAAM! I hope I'm getting through to you now. Regards,
  9. So what you're saying is that Jesus can go on saying "I am not God" ad infinitum, but you're not going to believe him because you know he is God? Why cant you just take his word for it? Why do you have to be more royal than the king? Why would Jesus lie and say that he is not God if indeed he was? For your information, his being present in some ethereal form before his advent on Earth does not make him God. Shiite Muslims hold similar views about Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) but that does not make him God. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said that the first thing God created was his Noor (light) - that is to say that he (Muhammad) was the first created being and that his essence is light. He also said that he was a prophet while Adam was between clay and water - that is even before the creation of Adam. All this exalts the status of Muhammad (pbuh) as the greatest of prophets and the best and foremost of God's creation BUT it does not make him God, or equal with God. How can something that is created be equal to the creator? Does this simple logic escape you?
  10. OH REALLY???? Have you read this? [53.1] I swear by the star when it goes down. [53.2] Your companion does not err, nor does he go astray; [53.3] Nor does he speak out of desire. [53.4] It is naught but revelation that is revealed, [53.5] The Lord of Mighty Power has taught him, [53.6] The Lord of Strength; so he attained completion, [53.7] And he is in the highest part of the horizon. [53.8] Then he drew near, then he bowed [53.9] So he was the measure of two bows or closer still. [53.10] And He revealed to His servant what He revealed. Did The Lord of Mighty Power forget to teach him to read and write!?!? Please dont insult the Holy Prophet like this! The word used for the Holy Prophet in the Quran is ummi, which Pickthall translates as one who DOES not speak (of his own accord) rather than one who can not. It means that the Prophet never spoke of his own will, but whatever he said was a revelation. It does not mean that he did not read or write. And Prophets dont need to be "schooled" in order to know how to read or write. Who taught Jesus how to form sentences? But he was speaking clearly while in the cradle. ws.
  11. zensky

    agha khan

    From what I know and what has been confirmed on this thread: 1. The Ismailis have altered Salat. 2. The Holy Quran does not play an important part in their life. 3. The Aga Khan allows alcohol to be served in his Hotels and in functions organised by the AKDN - which is clearly haraam. 4. He doesn't advocate Hijab and his family members dont practice it, although the Quran clearly commands it. 5. He races horses. The issue is not the breeding and racing of horses but that much of his wealth comes from betting, which is haraam. I really dont see how someone can take as his Imam a person who abolishes Salat, neglects the Quran and indulges in haraam acts! One can justify anything if one is blinded by faith, but the rational mind can not accept such a man as a "reflection" of God. Would the MAZHAR of God neglect His Word (The Quran)? Would the Mazhar of God allow wine to be served in his hotels? Would the Mazhar of God allow his wife to dress like that? Would the Mazhar of God reduce the Salat of the Holy Prophet to mere Dua? Please open your eyes!
  12. When I read The Bible, I cant help but wonder at what a Great prophet Jesus (as) was! His humility brings tears to my eyes. He was truly a perfect slave of God. It must be painful for him to see people disregard his teachings and turn them on their head and project him as something he never claimed to be. Its sad.
  13. Nonsense! The Baptism formula in no way raises the status of the SON and the HOLY SPIRIT to that of the FATHER (God). The baptism is a Christianing ritual. One can very well imagine, as you say, something similar in Islam - i.e., the reciting of the Shahada at the time of conversion to Islam. The Shahada is similar to the Baptism formula. In the Shahada also one takes the name of beings other than God, but it does not mean that these beings become God because of this pronounciation. In the Muslim "Baptism", one says LA ILAHA ILALLAH MUHAMMADUR RASOOLALLAH (There is no God but God and Muhammad is His Prophet) - that is one takes the name of God and the Prophet but this does not make the Prophet equal to God. In the Shiite Shahada, there are three entities who are named (like in the Christian formula) - God, the Holy Prophet and Imam Ali. But this does not make the Holy Prophet and Imam Ali equal to God, nor do they constitute a Trinity. The point is that the Christian Baptism is not a declaration of the equality of the three entities recalled therein, it is merely a declaration of one's belief in the three entities - one of which is God, the other is his Prophet (or Son, as the Christians would like to believe) and the third is the Helper (Allah says in the Koran that He strengthened Jesus with the Holy Spirit). Belief in these three is essential to make one Christian. Similarly in Islam (Shiite Islam), one has to declare one's belief in Allah, the Prophet and the Divine Help (Imam Ali) to become a Muslim. The Shahada is not a statement equating the entities recalled therein. ws.
  14. For some people, everything is SHIRK :dry:
  15. Thats not "common" sense, its "sunni" sense. Do you seriously think that people who worshipped idols for a lifetime, and tortured the new converts to Islam could be more pious than the man who never bowed to an idol, who was raised by the Prophet and who was the first to support him in his mission?
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