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In the Name of God بسم الله


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  1. Salaam Youth of Ali/Socrates life catches up with you and then there are more ways to waste time now in between I got a masters and went to Najaf to study as well and now alhamdulillah have been visiting many different countries for Tableegh am in contact with quite a few oldies like @phoenix @Ibn al-Hussain Sana, Nida, Akbar, (Maulana) Hadi Rizvi etc etc
  2. While I agree that one should not be uncritically accepting of everything, the above statement is clearly untrue. Most of the stories related in the masaib are not exaggerations.
  3. Mustafa Welfare Society is holding a programme in Muharram 1433 (Nov/Dec 2011) as follows: Dates: 26th November 2011 - 7th December 2011 (inclusive) Time: 6.00pm Location: Great Liver Community Centre, Bradford Road, Bolton, Lancs. BL3 2HF Speakers: Syed Zafar Abbas (Najaf al-Ashraf, Iraq) in English Hujjatul Islam Maulana Syed Mussaddaq Hussain Taqvi (Newport Gwent, South Wales) in Urdu
  4. Its "sidd al abwab" and care to point out what the problem with my translation is? I'll be only too happy to provide you with the Arabic, but it seems your Arabic isn't too great... Whether or not Hakim is authentic, this hadith is reliable or the companions are lying, has no bearing on me since I don't belong to your religion, so all your arguments are pretty much a waste of time. Its hilarious that this thread has gone from the "bravery" of Umar (or lack thereof) to such much irrelevance.
  5. Actually I got those references from the actual books and if you think its a copy paste, do a quick google search and the post that will come up is actually an earlier post of my own in another thread ;) Clearly you don't know much about hadith sciences if you're rejecting Mustadrak al-Hakim when its pretty well known that his hadiths are ones which fit the criteria of Bukhari and/or Muslim but are not included in those books. And seeing as you guys consider them Sahih, that puts you in a bit of a pickle. The point is, if giving the flag to Ali (as) wasn't a particular important event, or if i
  6. Well if you're comfortable with calling the giants in your religion liars (since they have authenticated this hadith through three different companions - none of whom were particularly on good terms with Ali (as)), then that's your issue. But I thought you might respond in kind. In short, everything about all the other companions in authentic and true; everything about Ali (as) and his family is weak and false. :)
  7. ambrosechappell I have one question for you: why is it no verse of the Qur'an or any hadith of the Prophet (pbuh) was even mentioned at saqifa, let alone used as a basis for deciding the succession?
  8. I understood your point perfectly but it is irrelevant. Firstly, there's no such thing as an unbiased perspective. Every historian has a bias of some kind. Secondly, from your biased unbiased perspective, please tell me what is cowardly about signing a peace treaty?
  9. yeah thought so. Sayed Mousawi lived in India for 12 years as Sayed Khoei's representative, so his Urdu is really good.
  10. Of course, since the Prophet (pbuh) did all these things, and I don't think any Muslim would like to call the Prophet (pbuh) a coward. Indeed. For he is the "Imam" - the one who stands in front. Both literally and figuratively. How merciful is the Almighty that he blessed us with twelve such individuals.
  11. But the word used in the ayah is يرا which means "see". How they see is not really important. What is important is that they see it.
  12. Why would you expect that? It was Allah's solution, and two of his representatives used it. That is, if the Biblical story is authentic. Unless we have it in at least a Muslim source, I don't see how we can take it on par in terms of reliability. I don't really see the big deal that is being made out.
  13. I knew there was a hadith, but was unsure of the actual wording/source. Ahsant.
  14. In the battle of Jamal, Imam Hasan (as) was the commander of the right wing of the army, and Imam Ali (as) sent him into battle after Muhammad Hanafiyyah was unable to pierce the enemy line due to the severity of the battle. In the battle of Siffin, Imam Hasan (as) killed 70 of the enemy in his first attack and 202 in his second attack. But you know what the greatest act of bravery is? Signing a peace treaty with Mu'awiya even though the people who are supposedly on your side call you "Mudhil al-Mumineen".
  15. I don't see how this proves it was 'stolen'. There's a hadith from the Prophet (pbuh) in your sources that says that everything that happened in Bani Israel will happen in my ummah. You know incidents can happen twice (or even more). We have the same incidents about two or more different Imams (as). But all of this is merely an aid in strengthening my eiman that Ali (as) was the true inheritor of all the Prophets (pbuh).
  16. I have no idea if this is true, but if it is, serves as even more proof that Ali (as) is the true inheritor of the Prophets (pbuh). It also shows why Fatima (as) chose to use the example of Sulayman (as) inheriting from Dawud (as) in her sermon of Fadak. Do you have a source about this incident being related from Sulayman (as)?
  17. Countless? Authentic hadiths? Who gets to decide what is clear and unclear? Probability of being authentic? Shirk type behaviour? Some people, had they been present when the sajdah to Adam (as) being ordered, would probably have objected claiming it was shirk type behaviour. Oh wait... You posted a hadith with no chain of narration and an explanation by al-Mufid which doesn't really back up your argument. In fact, it supports 9:105: i.e. they are aware of it! Subhanallah. Besides, I posted ayat of the Qur'an (you know that stuff which is a bit more reliable than hadiths) with the explanation
  18. So why is it 'proof' in inverted commas? Why don't you explain how you interpret the ahadith that you posted given the ayat of the Qur'an and the ahadith that go against it? Why is the hadith you posted to be favoured over the ayat and the other ahadith? In my understanding, the argument that Shaykh Mufid is putting forward is in response to those who consider the Prophet and the Imams to be dead and thus incapable of receiving our salaams. Another (part of a) hadith for you: Abu Hamza Thumali narrates from Imam Zaynul Abidin (as): "...I do not like for you to sleep between Fajr and sunrise,
  19. Rest of your post is the usual rubbish that we've been through many times and thus repeating is a waste of time because your eyes and heart are closed. You wouldn't be able to recognise an Imami in the time of Ali even he came and slapped you in the face. But as for your absurd statement: Pray tell, which city did Umar ibn Sa'd, Shimr ibn Dhil Jawshan, Sheeth ibn Rabi' and Hurmala (amongst many others), hail from?
  20. If they are a witness to our actions, then they necessarily have to see and hear what we do. I'll dig up the tafsir in just a moment for those verses. Kulaini, Saffâr, Ibne Shahr Aashob and Ayyashi have, with reliable chains of narrators, quoted Imams Baqir and Sadiq (a.s.) that they have while explaining this verse they said: We are the medium nation (Ummat Wast) and we are Allah‘s witness over the creation and Allah‘s proof (Hujjat) on the earth. (Hayatul Quloob Vol 3)
  21. I remember reading somewhere (can't remember the details) that according to an (non-Muslim) author, Nahjul Balagha is more eloquent than the Qur'an. Obviously its not something I agree with, but it shows that there are similarities between Quran an-Natiq and Quran al-Samit. Perhaps this is the meaning of the challenge by the Quran. Bring forth something that is as multilayered as the Quran if you doubt its veracity.
  22. I was just pointing out that evidence has been furnished, but you don't find it convincing, which is fine, but don't say that there's no evidence. You mentioned one hadith in the OP about the knowledge of the Imams, so far I've mentioned a fair amount of verses from the Qur'an, along with their tafsir by Ahlul Bayt (as), and a hadith which talks about their knowledge. So its more accurate for me to say that you've picked out one hadith and claim that it proves your point. I'm not particular concerned about which position you want to take, obviously everyone is entitled to their own understandi
  23. Haider Husayn: Its one thing to say that you didn't find the evidence that was presented as convincing; disingenious to say that no evidence was presented. 36:12 Surely we give life to the dead and we have written down what has happened and what is to come, and we have recorded everything in the manifest Imam; 6:63 ...there is nothing green nor dry which has not been mentioned in the manifest book... 13:43 ...Say: Allah is sufficient as a witness between you and me and he with the (complete) knowledge of the book A hadith which explains the knowledge: A number of our people has narrated from A
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