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Marbles

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    Marbles got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752   
    The nonstop reporting in Western media over "justice and accountability" for the unfortunate victims is now bordering on hysterical.
    Where are these people when US "accidentally" drones hundreds in wedding receptions and hospitals, or when their buddies the Saudis "mistakenly" and regularly bomb school buses and public buildings? 
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    Marbles got a reaction from baqar in Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752   
    The nonstop reporting in Western media over "justice and accountability" for the unfortunate victims is now bordering on hysterical.
    Where are these people when US "accidentally" drones hundreds in wedding receptions and hospitals, or when their buddies the Saudis "mistakenly" and regularly bomb school buses and public buildings? 
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    Marbles got a reaction from Moalfas in Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752   
    The nonstop reporting in Western media over "justice and accountability" for the unfortunate victims is now bordering on hysterical.
    Where are these people when US "accidentally" drones hundreds in wedding receptions and hospitals, or when their buddies the Saudis "mistakenly" and regularly bomb school buses and public buildings? 
  4. Completely Agree
    Marbles got a reaction from forte in Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752   
    The nonstop reporting in Western media over "justice and accountability" for the unfortunate victims is now bordering on hysterical.
    Where are these people when US "accidentally" drones hundreds in wedding receptions and hospitals, or when their buddies the Saudis "mistakenly" and regularly bomb school buses and public buildings? 
  5. Completely Agree
    Marbles got a reaction from hasanhh in Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752   
    The nonstop reporting in Western media over "justice and accountability" for the unfortunate victims is now bordering on hysterical.
    Where are these people when US "accidentally" drones hundreds in wedding receptions and hospitals, or when their buddies the Saudis "mistakenly" and regularly bomb school buses and public buildings? 
  6. Completely Agree
    Marbles got a reaction from habib e najjaar in Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752   
    The nonstop reporting in Western media over "justice and accountability" for the unfortunate victims is now bordering on hysterical.
    Where are these people when US "accidentally" drones hundreds in wedding receptions and hospitals, or when their buddies the Saudis "mistakenly" and regularly bomb school buses and public buildings? 
  7. Completely Agree
    Marbles got a reaction from AmirioTheMuzzy in Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752   
    The nonstop reporting in Western media over "justice and accountability" for the unfortunate victims is now bordering on hysterical.
    Where are these people when US "accidentally" drones hundreds in wedding receptions and hospitals, or when their buddies the Saudis "mistakenly" and regularly bomb school buses and public buildings? 
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    Marbles got a reaction from Son of Placid in Iranian Military Commander Gen. Qassem Soleimani Killed in Baghdad Strike [BREAKING NEWS]   
    On the contrary and although it may not look like it, I believe Trump has been doing a good job at dismantling the empire. It's slow and often times imperceptible, but it's there. No wonder that the status quo perceives his policies and actions as a direct threat to the working of the military industrial complex.
    He wants to make America great again. I'd let him do that if that means a less involved and more withdrawn US. It would be better for the US and obviously it'd be better for the entire world.
    Plus, despite his bluster and fist-pumping, the guy has not started a new war. And he's already in his last year in office.
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    Marbles got a reaction from iCenozoic in Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752   
    I don't know. Those who'd like to err on the side of John Pilger might have some ideas.
    A rogue Iranian operator who got brain-fogged?
    A real US missile/drone that flew in undetected until it hit the craft?
    MEK sleeper cell coming to life out of nowhere?
    MOSSAD missile strike from the space?
  10. Completely Agree
    Marbles got a reaction from Brained in Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752   
    Addressing the emboldened bit, I have been reflecting on what could have led to the downing of the passenger jet. At first the Western allegations seemed so absurd I simply laughed them off. But since Iran has admitted it, it now seems reasonable to ask questions even if it ruffles some feathers.
    I don't know what kind of military equipment Iran has but either it is absolutely useless or the people tasked to handle it don't know how it works.
    * For a US fighter to come all the way to Tehran to bomb military installations, it first has to enter Iranian airspace from hundreds of miles away. If Iranian military is not equipped to detect and deter foreign hostile jets until they reach Tehran, then this should henceforth keep Iranian leaders, military and public awake all night.
    * Besides other things, a basic radar tracks a jet's speed, altitude and name/signature. A brief real time analysis of either of these parameters would have discounted the possibility of this being a hostile jet coming in to bomb them. (It's altitude must have been rising and speed increasing. Plus, commercial jet's signature)
    * A jet that has just taken off from their biggest airport a few minutes ago couldn't possibly be mistaken for a foreign fighter jet without there being serious miscalculation and/or failure to analyse basic data.
    OR
    Here's a conspiracy theory which still has some takers:
    Someone else blew the jet and Iran is too embarrassed to admit the identity of the shooting party in the interests of national security/pride.
  11. Disagree
    Marbles got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Iranian Military Commander Gen. Qassem Soleimani Killed in Baghdad Strike [BREAKING NEWS]   
    Iran has come out looking stupid from the entire thing.
    1) Lost a big shot general to naked US aggression in proverbial broad daylight.
    2a) Retaliated by giving prior warning to avoid US casualties. Symbolic chest-beating.
    2b) Apparently didn't kill any US/NATO soldiers.
    3) Shot down a passenger airliner like bumbling idiots, which had just taken off from their biggest airport.
    Even FlightRadar knows a commercial flight's trajectory and provides live update. How could "advanced" Iranian military radar system have missed it is beyond comprehension. It seems like lack of professionalism and height of incompetence.
     
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    Marbles got a reaction from AmirioTheMuzzy in Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752   
    Addressing the emboldened bit, I have been reflecting on what could have led to the downing of the passenger jet. At first the Western allegations seemed so absurd I simply laughed them off. But since Iran has admitted it, it now seems reasonable to ask questions even if it ruffles some feathers.
    I don't know what kind of military equipment Iran has but either it is absolutely useless or the people tasked to handle it don't know how it works.
    * For a US fighter to come all the way to Tehran to bomb military installations, it first has to enter Iranian airspace from hundreds of miles away. If Iranian military is not equipped to detect and deter foreign hostile jets until they reach Tehran, then this should henceforth keep Iranian leaders, military and public awake all night.
    * Besides other things, a basic radar tracks a jet's speed, altitude and name/signature. A brief real time analysis of either of these parameters would have discounted the possibility of this being a hostile jet coming in to bomb them. (It's altitude must have been rising and speed increasing. Plus, commercial jet's signature)
    * A jet that has just taken off from their biggest airport a few minutes ago couldn't possibly be mistaken for a foreign fighter jet without there being serious miscalculation and/or failure to analyse basic data.
    OR
    Here's a conspiracy theory which still has some takers:
    Someone else blew the jet and Iran is too embarrassed to admit the identity of the shooting party in the interests of national security/pride.
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    Marbles got a reaction from Son of Placid in Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752   
    It wasn't 737 MAX. All MAXs are grounded since after the Ethiopian air crash. This aircraft was 737-800, the previous model which has no known problems at all. That's why it's called industry workhorse.
    Secondly, there is absolutely nothing to suggest that the aircraft veered off course and then it was shot down. What seems to have happened that the aircraft was hit but didn't blow up completely. The desperate pilots steered it back towards the airport but lost control and crashed.
    Iran will try to find excuses with the aircraft trajectory and flight to pin some of the blame on the pilots. But until and unless an independent investigation concludes we can't take anything they say for granted.
     
  14. Completely Agree
    Marbles got a reaction from iCenozoic in Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752   
    Addressing the emboldened bit, I have been reflecting on what could have led to the downing of the passenger jet. At first the Western allegations seemed so absurd I simply laughed them off. But since Iran has admitted it, it now seems reasonable to ask questions even if it ruffles some feathers.
    I don't know what kind of military equipment Iran has but either it is absolutely useless or the people tasked to handle it don't know how it works.
    * For a US fighter to come all the way to Tehran to bomb military installations, it first has to enter Iranian airspace from hundreds of miles away. If Iranian military is not equipped to detect and deter foreign hostile jets until they reach Tehran, then this should henceforth keep Iranian leaders, military and public awake all night.
    * Besides other things, a basic radar tracks a jet's speed, altitude and name/signature. A brief real time analysis of either of these parameters would have discounted the possibility of this being a hostile jet coming in to bomb them. (It's altitude must have been rising and speed increasing. Plus, commercial jet's signature)
    * A jet that has just taken off from their biggest airport a few minutes ago couldn't possibly be mistaken for a foreign fighter jet without there being serious miscalculation and/or failure to analyse basic data.
    OR
    Here's a conspiracy theory which still has some takers:
    Someone else blew the jet and Iran is too embarrassed to admit the identity of the shooting party in the interests of national security/pride.
  15. My Prayers
    Marbles got a reaction from iCenozoic in Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752   
    I wonder if now the Iranians would forgive the US for downing their passenger jet back in 1988...
  16. Completely Agree
    Marbles got a reaction from iCenozoic in Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752   
    It wasn't 737 MAX. All MAXs are grounded since after the Ethiopian air crash. This aircraft was 737-800, the previous model which has no known problems at all. That's why it's called industry workhorse.
    Secondly, there is absolutely nothing to suggest that the aircraft veered off course and then it was shot down. What seems to have happened that the aircraft was hit but didn't blow up completely. The desperate pilots steered it back towards the airport but lost control and crashed.
    Iran will try to find excuses with the aircraft trajectory and flight to pin some of the blame on the pilots. But until and unless an independent investigation concludes we can't take anything they say for granted.
     
  17. Completely Agree
    Marbles reacted to Brained in Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752   
    An Iranian admission was a wholly unexpected outcome. Most would have sat on the information and vehemently deny any wrongdoing even with leaks proving otherwise. Not sure what happens next. Perhaps some compensation and such, but long term damage to the sympathy it had gathered post-Soleimani has been done. The global focus has shifted and no amount of guilt admission would bail Iran out of this.
    For the Iranian military though, some soul searching is perhaps required. A lot can happen in the fog of war, still the lack of coordination, and the unpreparedness with which it appears to have approached premeditated military action is clear. Contrast this with Pakistan, which closed its airspace for a whole 5 months or something, as long as there was even an inkling of immediate threat from India. 
  18. Completely Agree
    Marbles reacted to Sumerian in Iranian Military Commander Gen. Qassem Soleimani Killed in Baghdad Strike [BREAKING NEWS]   
    I agree, but I'm not sure the US came out strong either, because they are facing pushback in terms of their presence in Iraq via parliament and the people in general whom reject its presence (except Kurds and some Sunnis).
    At the same time, Iran is also facing pushback in Iraq via protests.
    The key battleground for both nations is Iraq, atll the while many Iraqis want to free themselves from all foreign interference and presence.
    Us Iraqis have been the biggest losers in all of this.
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    Marbles got a reaction from Brained in Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752   
    It wasn't 737 MAX. All MAXs are grounded since after the Ethiopian air crash. This aircraft was 737-800, the previous model which has no known problems at all. That's why it's called industry workhorse.
    Secondly, there is absolutely nothing to suggest that the aircraft veered off course and then it was shot down. What seems to have happened that the aircraft was hit but didn't blow up completely. The desperate pilots steered it back towards the airport but lost control and crashed.
    Iran will try to find excuses with the aircraft trajectory and flight to pin some of the blame on the pilots. But until and unless an independent investigation concludes we can't take anything they say for granted.
     
  20. Completely Agree
    Marbles got a reaction from Sirius_Bright in Iranian Military Commander Gen. Qassem Soleimani Killed in Baghdad Strike [BREAKING NEWS]   
    Iran has come out looking stupid from the entire thing.
    1) Lost a big shot general to naked US aggression in proverbial broad daylight.
    2a) Retaliated by giving prior warning to avoid US casualties. Symbolic chest-beating.
    2b) Apparently didn't kill any US/NATO soldiers.
    3) Shot down a passenger airliner like bumbling idiots, which had just taken off from their biggest airport.
    Even FlightRadar knows a commercial flight's trajectory and provides live update. How could "advanced" Iranian military radar system have missed it is beyond comprehension. It seems like lack of professionalism and height of incompetence.
     
  21. Completely Agree
    Marbles got a reaction from Sumerian in Iranian Military Commander Gen. Qassem Soleimani Killed in Baghdad Strike [BREAKING NEWS]   
    Iran has come out looking stupid from the entire thing.
    1) Lost a big shot general to naked US aggression in proverbial broad daylight.
    2a) Retaliated by giving prior warning to avoid US casualties. Symbolic chest-beating.
    2b) Apparently didn't kill any US/NATO soldiers.
    3) Shot down a passenger airliner like bumbling idiots, which had just taken off from their biggest airport.
    Even FlightRadar knows a commercial flight's trajectory and provides live update. How could "advanced" Iranian military radar system have missed it is beyond comprehension. It seems like lack of professionalism and height of incompetence.
     
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    Marbles got a reaction from Sirius_Bright in Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752   
    It wasn't 737 MAX. All MAXs are grounded since after the Ethiopian air crash. This aircraft was 737-800, the previous model which has no known problems at all. That's why it's called industry workhorse.
    Secondly, there is absolutely nothing to suggest that the aircraft veered off course and then it was shot down. What seems to have happened that the aircraft was hit but didn't blow up completely. The desperate pilots steered it back towards the airport but lost control and crashed.
    Iran will try to find excuses with the aircraft trajectory and flight to pin some of the blame on the pilots. But until and unless an independent investigation concludes we can't take anything they say for granted.
     
  23. My Prayers
    Marbles got a reaction from notme in Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752   
    It wasn't 737 MAX. All MAXs are grounded since after the Ethiopian air crash. This aircraft was 737-800, the previous model which has no known problems at all. That's why it's called industry workhorse.
    Secondly, there is absolutely nothing to suggest that the aircraft veered off course and then it was shot down. What seems to have happened that the aircraft was hit but didn't blow up completely. The desperate pilots steered it back towards the airport but lost control and crashed.
    Iran will try to find excuses with the aircraft trajectory and flight to pin some of the blame on the pilots. But until and unless an independent investigation concludes we can't take anything they say for granted.
     
  24. My Prayers
    Marbles got a reaction from notme in Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752   
    I wonder if now the Iranians would forgive the US for downing their passenger jet back in 1988...
  25. Haha
    Marbles reacted to Son of Placid in Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752   
    Nobody wants anybody reported killed, especially Americans. First words from Trump was it may have been an accident. If so, no retaliation required.
    As for Canada, Trudeau recited shahada in 2013 and have been welcoming immigrants and refugees at high rates. I don't know how he feels about Iran, he's a Sunni.
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