DANISH ALI

I don't why do I even bother to reply perosn like this but,here is my reply digital diamond,bro thinks he has a point. This argument presents a false dilemma. You claim that anyone who rejects Islam must either be ignorant of the truth or deliberately rejecting it out of arrogance. But this assumes that Islam is so self-evidently true that no rational person could reject it after understanding it. That’s simply not the case. People reject Islam for many reasons, and not all of them are due to arrogance. Some people genuinely investigate Islam and conclude that it is not the truth. They see contradictions, moral issues, or historical inconsistencies. If Islam were as clear as you claim, then why are there former Muslims—people who knew the Quran, studied hadith, and practiced Islam—who still left? Are you saying every single one of them is just arrogant? That’s an easy excuse but a weak argument. You also assume that exposure to Islam automatically equals conviction. But exposure does not equal evidence, and evidence does not equal certainty. Just because someone reads the Quran doesn’t mean they find it convincing. Just because someone hears da’wah doesn’t mean they believe it. If God only punishes those who reject Islam after being convinced that it is true, then how does that work? Does He directly put knowledge into their heart? If so, why do people still reject it? And if not, then how can they be blamed for not believing? Let’s flip your question: Have you been exposed to other religions or worldviews? Have you studied them in depth? If not, how do you know you’re not the one rejecting the truth? If you have, why do you think others who study Islam can’t come to a different conclusion? The reality is that belief is not a simple equation of “hearing = accepting.” People evaluate evidence differently. If someone sincerely evaluates Islam and does not find it convincing, then either: 1. The evidence wasn’t strong enough. 2. God didn’t guide them despite their sincerity. 3. They were never meant to believe. In all three cases, punishing them is unjust. If God only punishes deliberate arrogance, then He should know who is truly arrogant and who is simply unconvinced. But humans don’t have that knowledge—so why assume all non-Muslims reject the truth out of arrogance? The truth isn’t what you assume it to be—it’s what stands up to scrutiny. And if Islam were so undeniably true, nobody would leave it. Yet they do. That alone proves my point.

Wow,what an intelligent argument.I am shocked,how ignorant some people are. This is my last response to this thread,I don't want to waste more time on this death cult. I see where you’re coming from, but your argument is based on assumptions rather than actual reasoning. Let me break it down for you. 1. You assume doubt is from Shaitan. You say I “fell to the deception of Shaitan” just because I have questions. But isn’t seeking knowledge encouraged in Islam? If doubt is always from Shaitan, then why did even prophets ask questions? Ibrahim asked Allah how He resurrects the dead (Quran 2:260), not because he didn’t believe, but because he sought understanding. Questioning isn't disbelief—it’s a path to clarity. 2. Patience doesn’t mean blind waiting. You say a person who waits for answers is good, and the one who doesn’t is bad. But what if a person waits and never gets answers? Is that still good? If someone is seeking truth sincerely and doesn’t find it in Islam, is it right to tell them to suppress their intellect and just wait? That’s not patience—that’s stagnation. 3. The role of divine leaders doesn’t solve the problem. You say there were divine leaders who had the answers, but they were oppressed, so people couldn’t reach them. That’s an explanation for why answers weren’t accessible, not proof that Islam itself is true. If knowledge was hidden from people, how can they be blamed for not having it? And even today, we are told to wait for an Imam in occultation. If clarity and guidance are so important, why would Allah leave people in the dark for over a thousand years? 4. Islam doesn’t lose anything if I leave? That’s irrelevant. You say, "Islam doesn’t lose anything if I leave, but I lose everything." That’s an appeal to fear, not a logical argument. The truth of a belief isn’t determined by how much one might lose or gain but by whether it is actually true. Threatening loss isn’t proof of correctness. 5. The gratitude argument is flawed. You say I “live on God’s earth, eat His food, and yet speak against Him.” But that assumes from the start that everything belongs to God. If someone doesn’t believe in Islam’s version of God, then this argument falls apart. I could just as easily say, “You live in a world governed by reason, yet you abandon reason to hold on to blind faith.” Would that convince you? Probably not. 5]Islam's concept of Allah is undeniably sadistic when you break it down logically. First, the idea of eternal Hell for finite sins is pure cruelty. No matter how much someone questions or disbelieves, punishing them with never-ending torture is infinitely disproportionate. A just and merciful God wouldn’t sentence someone to eternal suffering for a few decades of mistakes or disbelief. Second, Islam commands violent punishments like cutting off hands for theft (5:38) and lashing for adultery (24:2). Instead of reforming people, these laws focus on inflicting pain and fear, which is the very definition of sadism. Third, the concept of predestination (Qadr) makes it even worse—Allah supposedly decides who will believe and who won’t (10:100), then punishes people for choices they never truly had. That’s like a dictator torturing someone for failing a test that was rigged from the start. A truly merciful and just being wouldn't behave like this. 6. Accusations of worshipping Shaitan are baseless. You claim I “worship Shaitan.” But where did I say that? Just because someone questions Islam doesn’t mean they’ve turned to Satan. This is another emotional argument meant to shame rather than provide a real answer. If Islam is true, it should withstand questioning without needing fear tactics, assumptions, or emotional manipulation. Instead of labeling doubt as a failure, why not engage with it honestly? Yeah good luck with following your religion,I hope you get to Jannah,and for me I am glad,I left Islam.

Well i did my best in researching, watching the most prominent shia scholars, contacting the representative of ayatullah sistani and watching debates, checking online forums and I have decided to leave islam for GOOD, It's my decision and I am not debating anymore. I don't want to be part of this so called "religion of peace". Just sadistic insanity in name of salvation. Thank you.

Yeah I am not leaving completely it, until I have researched enough to look for answers. I won't be reckless or in a hurry. Thanks for past days.

Sorry. But no offence to you. I couldn't your arguments and points. Well i will try to look for answers. Thanks for replying

I didn't get answer,just here arguing with everyone. This is getting tiring for everyone so I am leaving this forum. Thanks for your replies.

It clearly states it was allowed to have sex slave other thing you explained are the alternative options. How does killing ones family then taking them captive regain ones dignity. Islam cloud have prohibited it altogether

I provided clear reference from the text how is this a misunderstanding. I agree the severity of punishment should be based upon severity of crime. I don't see how not believing in God such a great sin that you justify eternal touture for it. The example of Hitler is hilarious.He committed mass genocide.I took the example of a normal person non believing person. To further clarify it is clearly mentioned in website of sistani that girls under 9 can be married. 9 year is stated as the year of penetration.If penteration happens before 9 year old the man has to provide living for the girl,even after divorce. Girl until 9 year cant ask for divorce. It couldn't more clear than this

Agh My point here was the hormal imbalance doens't necessarily imply trouble remembering things,you just stated your opinion for which I provided and argument and example. You just have me explanation about end of times and hypocrite.if according to I am a hypocrite then dont waste your precious time here. .

If it annoys you don't bother answering. What is the logic of creating a person which you knew was going to hell,since he is all knowing,then punishing him for eternity just because he didn't believe. Well you could say it was his free will which led to him hell,why was he created in first place,he had no choice but to be born, If it is known for certianity he will go to hell,and he wold have given two choices either to be born live the life and end up in hell,or not be born at all Nobody would have wanted to be born.

Sorry to sound arrogant brother,but she called me arrogant first,and called me anti islamic.I am trying to make sense of my faith.It is frustrating to engage in doubts and see someone just consider it a game.i have been a practicing muslim all my life,and it is sad to see someone calling anti islamic just because i asked questions.

If you say it was the people you disobeyed not the islam, again why didn't the prophet explicitly ban the practice altogether.

The arguments i provided are about the foundations islam stands for. Righteous Equality Treatment of human beings Salvation You didn't provide replies just your opinions

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This dude. It is said God loves his creation 70 times more than a mother would love her child. Even if the child is rude towards her mother and distances himself from her and does not lover her. I see no way how a mother would burn her child,if she had the power. Every mother would stop the eternal if given the choice.