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  1. Shia believe that prophets are not allowed to perform taqiyyah under any circumstances, while imams are allowed to do that. Give me one rational explanation as to why is that.
  2. I already responded to that faulty analysis earliers. Let me summarize again. - Rasoulallah was not talking to the English people in a modern parliamentary system, nor was he talking to the people of the US (which has a president, but didn't exist at the time), nor was he talking to the people of Rome or Persia, who had a set tradition of appointing kings And i already refuted your point by quoting your narrations how imams appoint their successors. All your refutatiin was that prophet was both rasool and imam. And it still doesn't matter. Prophet could easily say ali is the imam after me. Or I appointed ali as his successor. If he said that clearly, we wouldn't be having this debate in the first place. Imagine debating over a clear hadith like ali is my successor. I challenge you to provide any historical evidence whether from Arabia or any other country that any political leader ever appointed his successor by saying whoever I'm moula so and so is his maula.
  3. If someone have some argument which is worthy of debunking, then he may come forward.
  4. From now on, I will only debunk what is related to the topic which is ' is there any intellectual necessity of imamah'. Anything which is unrelated to the topic is not worthy of me being dwbunked
  5. First read the narration genius. Rafi' at tai narrated that from abu bakr. Abu bakr narrated what umar said. Read that clearly and don't waste my time.
  6. All these ayaat doesn't prove anything regarding your imam. There is no verse which says that there is a 12th imam who is guiding. Lol. First prove from the direct verse of quran Or hadith of the prophet that the 12 th imam is guiding the shia while being in ghayb before asking your opponent to prove otherwise. Nah. The concept that the 12 th imam is guiding the shias itself is not proven from quran, sunnah Or even intellect.
  7. 1- As per history of Islam 11 earlier Imams from the progeny of the prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) were killed and martyred by the oppressors of the ummah and tyrant rulers. Thus Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) has kept back his last sign keeping away from our eyes in occultation period. The same is true for the prophet Esa (عليه السلام) that is alive and away from our eyes Again this is utter nonsense. They were killed because at that banu abbas and corrupt leaders was in the authority. It is not the case now. Now the followers of the 12th one rule a entire country, they have soldiers to fight, military weapons and what not. If despite this, he wants to stay in ghaybah, then there is no need of infallible guide at all time to expound the religion and clarify the rulings, the imam has not benifitted you shias I anything, not in fiqh not in hadith, not in taseer, nasikh wal mansookh no nothing. If there is no need of infallible guide at all times then the fundamemtal belief of shia is false. This is a contradiction. You believe that it is against Allah's lutf that he leave this religion without any infallible guide. If you say that ghaybah is a test then it is also against Allah's lutf, that he made it obligatory upon him to appoint a imam to explain the religion and then start testing the believers by making the hujjah go into occultation. Stop humiliating yourself in front of me. Your imam is doing his job in while in ghayb. He is expounding the religion and clarifying the details of the religion in ghayb. Nice joke. Your belief is that there must be an imam at all time to expound the religion, and clarify the rulings of quran and sunnah. The imam is not doing this. That means your concept of imamah is false.
  8. There is no proof of that. Ikrima being a kharji is already debunked by many scholars. Sorry abdullah bin abi mulaikah is a thiqa imam which is even attested by ibn hajr asqalani. أبو حاتم بن حبان البستي : رأى ثمانين من أصحاب النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم، ويروى عن ابن عباس، وابن الزبير، وعائشة، روى عنه ابن جريج، والناس أبو زرعة الرازي : ثقة أحمد بن شعيب النسائي : ثقة أحمد بن صالح الجيلي : ثقة ابن أبي حاتم الرازي : ثقة ابن حجر العسقلاني : ثقة فقيه كثير الحديث الدارقطني : ليس بالقوي، وهو أقدم شيخ حدث عنه الشافعي الذهبي : لا يعرف محمد بن سعد كاتب الواقدي : ثقة كثير الحديث It is you who is spewing nonsense. First you said that he is samura bin jundub. Ibn abi mulayka narrate from two jundubs and both of them are reliable companions, so it doesn't matter which jundub is in this narration because both jundubs from whom ibn abi mulayka narrate from are thiqa companions. It's not a terrible refutation rather it is neck breaker refutation. You can't prove that any narratprs in this chain is weak by quoting any rijali scholars. I quoted many rijali scholars who made tawtheeq of the narrators of the narrations. It doesn't. Athiqa narrator who may make some mistakes here and there, he hadeeth are hasan, a narrator which is saduq who have tons of illusions, or makes a lot of mistakes, his lone narration is weak. Here is his tawtheeq أبو بكر البيهقي : ثقة أبو حاتم الرازي : صالح الحديث، ثقة صدوق، لا أعرف له حديثا منكرا أبو حفص عمر بن شاهين : ثقة أحمد بن شعيب النسائي : ثقة أحمد بن صالح الجيلي : ثقة ابن حجر العسقلاني : ثقة فقيه ربما وهم محمد بن سعد كاتب الواقدي : ثقة صدوق ربما وهم، ومرة: كان ثقة كثير الحديث، وربما أخطأ، وكان أحفظ من روى عن عبد الكريم الجزري محمد بن عبد الله بن نمير : ثقة مصنفوا تحرير تقريب التهذيب : ثقة، وقوله ربما وهم، اقتبسها من ابن سعد، وقد انفرد بها، فلا يعتد لها يحيى بن معين : ثقة Completely irrelevant. It doesn't matter. He is a trustworthy scholars. You have dozens of narrators who are thiqa accoding to you but are from musguided sects like waqifa and fattahiya. Noone had weakened him or called him unknown. The narrator you are quoting is ibrahim ibn abi maymun not zakaria bin ady. Again. The narrator you are trying to prove majhool is yazeed bin ubaydullah bin amr not ubaydullah bin amr.
  9. Absolute nonsense. God did leave religion in the hands of fallible men. Even the shia hadith of the ' infallibles are narrated by fallible men who belong to misguided sects according to you. Shia claim that the religion cannot be trusted to fallible people, and the deen of the imams are transmitted by fallible, and those ahadith are collected by deviant. What a joke. If there is a need of an infallible imam at all times to guard this religion, explain and clarify the Quran and sunnah, then the imam of the time has no excuse to stay in his ghaybah, he must come out, and start benifitting us in religion, if he doesn't, then there is no need of an infallible imam at all time, and shia fundamental belief of imamah is just philosophical nonsense. Sorry to break your heart. Imam hasan also divorces a lot according to your authentic narrations. A nasbi can say the same thing about hasan what you are saying about the companions. Sorry, if putting one's kon into power, then surely ali is also involved in this. Abu bakr and umar never put their relatives into power. Heck, umar didn't appointed said bin zaid in the 6 men shura, despite him being one of the 10 promised paradise, just because he was the husband of umar's sister. Usman and ali did put their relatives into powers. Ali appointed abdullah bin abbas, ubaydullah bin abbas, qutham bin abbas and many more. And, the imam of our time, doesn't benifit us in any matter, whether religious or worldy matter. I will never. There is no proof of that ali is the appointed imam after the prophet. There is not absingle sahih report in our corpus that clearly says ali is the successor after me.
  10. (Abu Bakr and Umar had no connection with valor and bravery. In such a condition, neither Abu Bakr nor Umar could be called the bravest ones. They did not perform any feat during the lifetime of the Prophet, which can make them eligible to be called the bravest ones. Leave alone being the bravest ones, how can a person like Ali ((عليه السلام).), who never fled from the battlefield and continued to often rout the enemies of Islam, should be considered inferior to those who always bolted from battles and did not even scratch the enemy of Islam.) This was the original comment I was referring to.
  11. At this point I am boycotting this example of Supreme jahilya on par with Abu Jahl and Abu Lahab. I said that in reply to that guy who said the same thing about abu bakr umar and usman. If that is an insult, then the guy I was replying to insulted sunni caliphs as well which is against this sites rules. Ansd that's not even an insult. It is mentioned in shia narrations Allamah al-Majlisi (d. 1111 H) copies: إكمال الدين: ماجيلويه، عن عمه، عن البرقي، عن أيوب بن نوح، عن صفوان عن ابن بكير، عن زرارة، عن أبي عبد الله عليه السلام قال: للغلام غيبة قبل قيامه، قلت:ولم؟ قال: يخاف على نفسه الذبح. Ikmal al-Din: Majiluyah – his uncle – al-Barqi – Ayub b. Nuh – Safwan – Ibn Bukayr – Zurarah: Abu ‘Abd Allah, peace be upon him, said: “The boy will have a disappearance (ghaybah) before his rise.” I said, “And for what reason?” He said, “He will fear his being slaughtered.”22 The hadith has a mu’tabar (reliable) chain, according to Ayatullah al-Muhsini.23 Here, the Twelfth Imam is referred to as “the boy” by his sixth ancestor. This reveals that the Imam was predicted to become invisible very early, as a child. Moreover, his disappearance is of two stages. This is why it is sometimes also called the two ghaybahs. However, there was no time, since he first disappeared, that he was ever visible to the general public. Al-Majlisi again records: إكمال الدين: العطار، عن سعد، عن ابن عيسى، عن خالد بن نجيح، عن زرارة قال: سمعت أبا عبد الله عليه السلام يقول: إن للقائم غيبة قبل أن يقوم قلت: ولم؟ قال: يخاف وأومأ بيده إلى بطنه. Ikmal al-Din: al-‘Aṭṭar – Sa’d – Ibn ‘Isa – Khalid b. Najih – Zurarah: I heard Abu ‘Abd Allah, peace be upon him, saying: “Verily, there shall be a disappearance for the Qaim before he rises.” I said, “And for what reason?” He said, “He will fear” and he gestured with his hand towards his stomach.24 Then, he cited six other chains for this hadith25, and Ayatullah al-Muhsini declares its sanad to be mu’tabar (reliable).26 This one probably refers to poisoning. The Imam would be killed violently or could get poisoned if he appeared before the right time. Shaykh al-Kulayni (d. 329 H) too reports: وبهذا الاسناد، عن أحمد بن محمد، عن أبيه محمد بن عيسى، عن ابن بكير، عن زرارة قال: سمعت أبا عبد الله عليه السلام يقول: إن للقائم غيبة قبل أن يقوم، إنه يخاف - وأومأ بيده إلى بطنه - يعني القتل. And with this chain – Ahmad b. Muhammad – his father, Muhammad b. ‘Isa – Ibn Bukayr – Zurarah: I heard Abu ‘Abd Allah, peace be upon him, saying: “Verily, there shall be a disappearance for the Qaim before he rises. He will fear” - and he gestured with his hand towards his stomach – meaning (he will fear) being killed.27 Al-Majlisi comments: موثق كالصحيح Muwaththaq ka al-Sahih28
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