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After calling out pakistan for slaugthering innocents and their hypocrisy? I don't think so. But I have to admit, you do give india a lot of excuses despite india being known to be full of it and only caring about their PR, just like pakistan. I might be wrong here though.
Neither is anyone from what I am aware confirming indias claims that pakistans government is behind it(i might be wrong, maybe they meant something else), except maybe countries like israel or other allies, but even they are saying "we support india in its fight against terrorism", I don't see an outright confirmation. It's been 2 weeks, most will call for deescalation and not say much.
Not necessarly, if they want the situation to deescalate, this is the same argument you made on 9/11 if I remember, that surely iran would have said it's a false flag, but things are never this simple.
 
And just to be clear, I am not confirming pakistans claims either, I don't know what really happened and I don't trust india or pakistan here, for all I know a third party could be involved, which you claimed initially and I tend to lean towards your theory, but india and pakistan want to find any excuse to kill eachother, so there we are. 
 
India was just stupid in starting this war and bombing pakistan, even if it's to "hit terrorist infrastructure", bombing another country you don't rule based on some flimsy investigation is about the dumbest thing to do. 
That's not normal at all, these imvestigations don't take a few hours or a few days, especially from unreliable nations like pakistan and india who need their claims verified and scrutinized extensivley. Obviously some unreliable outlets like india today will say this. What this shows here is premeditation to start a war, these millitary preparations take months to prepare. 
 
This was just a stupid move from india
This is just wrong at this point, after a few days now there is clear evidence both sides are targetting civilian infrastructure and civilians without any consideration. India yesterday even bombed a plaza with drones. With all due respect, this is an assumption you're making that they are rogue or making mistakes. I get it that you hate takfirism just like we all do here, but india isn't being considerate on civilians, they're obsessed with their PR like pakistan and will claim the wildest things to appease it's supporters and the fact they indiscriminently bomb civilian centers(not just terrorists) or mosques or shopping centers, should be proof of this.
Because takfiris in pakistan are brainless apes. Indian "cow lynch mobs" are tamer than their pakistani counterpart, they will instead beat on random muslims they suspect of eating cow meat or they wrongfully accuse of doing something to some indian girl.
I don't think that I denied pakistan having terrorist attacks originate from them, as a matter of fact, I even listed worse terrorist attacks where india did nothing afterwards. Whats unprecendented is indias behaviour, which is true, this is the first time india behaves like this. 
I am not, you even told me "There is also no real equivalence between Pakistan and India" in response to me saying that india and pakistan are the same here, if I was pro pakistani you would see a long list of brainless nonsense comming out from me.
 
Pakistan is obviously being incredibly stupid by not wanting to deescalate now and calling this a war and india which started this whole mess is left confused and shocked, not realising the gravity and stupidity of what their action a few days ago, just caused. India needs to realise theyre in a war now and they opened pandoras box a few days ago. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
On an unrelated note:
The amount of lies and misinformation Ive seen comming from indian and pakistani channels is incredible, I had to leave certain telegram channels to not be bombarded with their nonsense, from india using Ai videos to pakistan using Arma3 videos. Theyre more obssed about how many jets they downed, rather than the civilians theyre killing. I really advise not trusting indian or pakistani sources on anything here, they're known to put PR before facts. 

After calling out pakistan for slaugthering innocents and their hypocrisy? I don't think so. But I have to admit, you do give india a lot of excuses despite india being known to be full of it and only caring about their PR, just like pakistan. I might be wrong here though.
Neither is anyone from what I am aware confirming indias claims that pakistans government is behind it(i might be wrong, maybe they meant something else), except maybe countries like israel or other allies, but even they are saying "we support india in its fight against terrorism", I don't see an outright confirmation. It's been 2 weeks, most will call for deescalation and not say much.
Not necessarly, if they want the situation to deescalate, this is the same argument you made on 9/11 if I remember, that surely iran would have said it's a false flag, but things are never this simple.
 
And just to be clear, I am not confirming pakistans claims either, I don't know what really happened and I don't trust india or pakistan here, for all I know a third party could be involved, which you claimed initially and I tend to lean towards your theory, but india and pakistan want to find any excuse to kill eachother, so there we are. 
 
India was just stupid in starting this war and bombing pakistan, even if it's to "hit terrorist infrastructure", bombing another country you don't rule based on some flimsy investigation is about the dumbest thing to do. 
That's not normal at all, these imvestigations don't take a few hours or a few days, especially from unreliable nations like pakistan and india who need their claims verified and scrutinized extensivley. Obviously some unreliable outlets like india today will say this. What this shows here is premeditation to start a war, these millitary preparations take months to prepare. 
 
This was just a stupid move from india
This is just wrong at this point, after a few days now there is clear evidence both sides are targetting civilian infrastructure and civilians without any consideration. India yesterday even bombed a plaza with drones. With all due respect, this is an assumption you're making that they are rogue or making mistakes. I get it that you hate takfirism just like we all do here, but india isn't being considerate on civilians, they're obsessed with their PR like pakistan and will claim the wildest things to appease it's supporters and the fact they indiscriminently bomb civilian centers(not just terrorists) or mosques or shopping centers, should be proof of this.
Because takfiris in pakistan are brainless apes. Indian "cow lynch mobs" are tamer than their pakistani counterpart, they will instead beat on random muslims they suspect of eating cow meat or they wrongfully accuse of doing something to some indian girl.
I don't think that I denied pakistan having terrorist attacks originate from them, as a matter of fact, I even listed worse terrorist attacks where india did nothing afterwards. Whats unprecendented is indias behaviour, which is true, this is the first time india behaves like this. 
I am not, you even told me "There is also no real equivalence between Pakistan and India" in response to me saying that india and pakistan are the same here, if I was pro pakistani you would see a long list of brainless nonsense comming out from me.
 
Pakistan is obviously being incredibly stupid by not wanting to deescalate now and calling this a war and india which started this whole mess is left confused and shocked, not realising the gravity and stupidity of what their action a few days ago, just caused. India needs to realise theyre in a war now and they opened pandoras box a few days ago. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
On an unrelated note:
The amount of lies and misinformation Ive seen comming from indian and pakistani channels is incredible, I had to leave certain telegram channels to not be bombarded with their nonsense, from india using Ai videos to pakistan using Arma3 videos. Theyre more obssed about how many jets they downed, rather than the civilians theyre killing. I really advise not trusting indian or pakistani sources on anything here, they're known to put PR before facts. 

No, most shias dislike the fascist government of india. 
 
An example that I was just going to post now is this:
 
https://t.me/NEWWORLDORDYR/33921
 
Once they used to call them terrorists and insult their religion as a whole, today they refer to them as "martyrs"
 
Yesterday, when they themselves stormed their mosques, harassed Muslims, beat them, attacked them, violate the hijab of Muslim women, it was all seen as countering terrorists in a Hindu land
 
Today, the very same people they have been oppressing for a long time, are suddenly labelled as "our civilians" and they are given the title "martyrs"
 
An example of hypocrites from India who never cared about the Muslims in their country, nor moved an emotion for them and were seen as secondary, now suddenly use different tone when referring to them, why? Because these Indians were killed by Pakistan
 
Pakistan does not care about the Shias nor India care about Muslims altogether, what you are seeing from both sides, how they act like they care so much about the very groups they have been oppressing for years, to suddenly be referred to positively, is not out of humanity and realization, not for genuine and authentic unity, not because they truly value their lives, but to polish and brighten their image in media, they are just weaponizing the blood of the people they have been oppressing for years and have it as a card to unite people under their banner, it is nothing but a nationalist propaganda, in benefit of the regime and not the people
 
@NEWWORLDORDYR

I hope this is not hinting at another stupid escalation with that last paragraph, the investigation needs to be done properly this time and with independent states. 

To be fair i dont think any country has any clue to what even happened, except z third party that might have been involved, it's simply too early. But your theory of a third party is not implausible, it seems the mosy plausible here.
Well, take HTS for example, they took months to train before launching their massive assault, or russia, or israel before invading or even launching massive aireal campaign against gaza and lebanon. But if this point is false, then it lends more credence to the other two points which is that its a false flag by a third party or pakistan did it or some terror org in pakistan did it. 
I get where you're comming from, but keep in mind that india also likes to heavily exagerate in their accusations, this is why I have trust issues with both sides.
sorry if I am interjecting, we can be critical of hamas, but the numbers that hamas gave which shows that most have been women and children and elderly who don't really serve in hamas millitary wing, which leaves the men who are also mostly not millitary but non combatants. Their sources have pretty much been confirmed to be accurate by even their ennemies like israels intelligence services who use them. Hamas numbers are even more reliable than the numbers of the holocaust and I am not even exaggerating, the standards are litterally higher, standards which israeli trolls have mocked ironically.
 
Hamas millitary wing has 30-40k members, hamas members have been careful to not get spotted and employed guerilla tactics of hit and run, making them hard to kill. 
 
Point is, out of tye 60k-100k killed its likley you have 5k-15k hamas members. 
 
Ill give my 2 cents as a lebanese guy, pretty much most of the buildings they bombed, were civilian and had no millitant in them or ammo or anything like this, like india and pakistan, israel is heavily obssessed with PR and their officials lie like they breath, thats why whilst being critical of hamas is good, we should also place an incredible burden of proof on israeli tv/officials for being such liars

I hope this is not hinting at another stupid escalation with that last paragraph, the investigation needs to be done properly this time and with independent states. 

To be fair i dont think any country has any clue to what even happened, except z third party that might have been involved, it's simply too early. But your theory of a third party is not implausible, it seems the mosy plausible here.
Well, take HTS for example, they took months to train before launching their massive assault, or russia, or israel before invading or even launching massive aireal campaign against gaza and lebanon. But if this point is false, then it lends more credence to the other two points which is that its a false flag by a third party or pakistan did it or some terror org in pakistan did it. 
I get where you're comming from, but keep in mind that india also likes to heavily exagerate in their accusations, this is why I have trust issues with both sides.
sorry if I am interjecting, we can be critical of hamas, but the numbers that hamas gave which shows that most have been women and children and elderly who don't really serve in hamas millitary wing, which leaves the men who are also mostly not millitary but non combatants. Their sources have pretty much been confirmed to be accurate by even their ennemies like israels intelligence services who use them. Hamas numbers are even more reliable than the numbers of the holocaust and I am not even exaggerating, the standards are litterally higher, standards which israeli trolls have mocked ironically.
 
Hamas millitary wing has 30-40k members, hamas members have been careful to not get spotted and employed guerilla tactics of hit and run, making them hard to kill. 
 
Point is, out of tye 60k-100k killed its likley you have 5k-15k hamas members. 
 
Ill give my 2 cents as a lebanese guy, pretty much most of the buildings they bombed, were civilian and had no millitant in them or ammo or anything like this, like india and pakistan, israel is heavily obssessed with PR and their officials lie like they breath, thats why whilst being critical of hamas is good, we should also place an incredible burden of proof on israeli tv/officials for being such liars

Now during this war, something caught my eye but I'm not sure what to make of it, Indias behaviour has been very uncharacteristic and weird, Ill show some telegram thread that I found intresting and wanted to see peoples thoughts on it:
https://t.me/NEWWORLDORDYR/33843
 
 | Why War Now?

- India's strikes on 9 locations in Pakistan that killed 26 civilians and wounded 50 are in response to an alleged attack in Pehelgam, Indian-Occupied Kashmir, that killed tourists, many of whom were international.

- Worse 'terrorist' attacks have taken place in India, with no apparent hostile action taken against Pakistan in the past. The Mumbai attacks of 26/11 killed a total of 175, with India alleging that it was also carried out by Pakistani-backed militants.

- Ajmal Kasab, one of the attackers, was famously interviewed by an Indian police officer. During the interview, speaking Urdu in an accent obviously foreign to Pakistan, he misgenders simple terms such as baraf para instead of baraf pari, which is to say, "It was snowing" while referring to snow in the masculine form, whereas it is feminine in Urdu. He misgenders more than once during the interview.

- Expressing remorse over his actions, he can also be heard saying "Bhagwan (the Hindu God) will never forgive me", which is an objectively unfathomable phrase for any Muslim to utter, whether Indian or Pakistani.

- These statements cast serious doubt on the origin of the attackers in the Mumbai 26/11 incident. They also provide a strong reason to doubt the credibility of Indian claims of Pakistani involvement in subsequent 'terror' incidents in India, such as Pehelgam. Let's now turn back to the current situation.

- A militant operation killing innocent tourists was carried out in Pehelgam, Indian-Occupied Kashmir, while JD Vance was visiting the country.

- Some interesting facts to contemplate when analysing this inident:

- Local Kashmiri militants (or those alleged to be backed by Pakistan) have never targeted tourists in the 77 years of conflict.

- The deaths of international tourists in Pehelgam, a Muslim majority area of Kashmir, poses a problem for the local Kashmiris the most, as they rely on tourism as their primary source of income in the region. Why alleged Kashmiri locals would carry out an operation that hurts their own livelihoods is an interesting thought to ponder.

- The Indus Water Treaty has never before been suspended, even during the 3 full-scale wars of 1948, 1961, and 1971.

- The suspension of this treaty before a day passed since the Pehelgam incident and without an investigation having taken place, suggests Indian premeditation and intent to incite war.

- India and Pakistan both are developing countries that cannot afford to go to war.

- India has never initiated war with Pakistan in the past. All 3 previous wars were triggered by Pakistan.

- Despite having existed for over 5000 years as one of the oldest civilizations in the world, India has historically never conquered any significant territory. It is not a warring nation. It is uncharacteristic of India to initiate war.

- India's attacks on Pakistan today, the deepest since the War of 1971, are evidently an open call to war instead of a limited operation. There is no rationale for India to attempt to initiate a war as that in no way benefits India.

- The incitement of this war only seems reasonable if an attack on Iran is confirmed. This would explain the premeditation and the uncharacteristically disproportionate reaction of India to the Pehelgam incident.

- It would make sense if India was ushered behind closed doors, much like Ukraine, to carry out this attack against Pakistan to prepare the operation theatre for a later attack on Iran.

- This would wound the only ally with a conventional military that could have offered meaningful support to Iran from the Eastern front whether militarily or non-militarily.

- If this is plausible, it would follow that the attack on Iran will be fitting of a scale that would compel it to require aid from its neighbours, (likely non-military, as Pakistan is unlikely to assist Iran militarily). The Indo-Pakistani war may just be the preface to a full-scale Iran/Israel/US war.

After calling out pakistan for slaugthering innocents and their hypocrisy? I don't think so. But I have to admit, you do give india a lot of excuses despite india being known to be full of it and only caring about their PR, just like pakistan. I might be wrong here though.
Neither is anyone from what I am aware confirming indias claims that pakistans government is behind it(i might be wrong, maybe they meant something else), except maybe countries like israel or other allies, but even they are saying "we support india in its fight against terrorism", I don't see an outright confirmation. It's been 2 weeks, most will call for deescalation and not say much.
Not necessarly, if they want the situation to deescalate, this is the same argument you made on 9/11 if I remember, that surely iran would have said it's a false flag, but things are never this simple.
 
And just to be clear, I am not confirming pakistans claims either, I don't know what really happened and I don't trust india or pakistan here, for all I know a third party could be involved, which you claimed initially and I tend to lean towards your theory, but india and pakistan want to find any excuse to kill eachother, so there we are. 
 
India was just stupid in starting this war and bombing pakistan, even if it's to "hit terrorist infrastructure", bombing another country you don't rule based on some flimsy investigation is about the dumbest thing to do. 
That's not normal at all, these imvestigations don't take a few hours or a few days, especially from unreliable nations like pakistan and india who need their claims verified and scrutinized extensivley. Obviously some unreliable outlets like india today will say this. What this shows here is premeditation to start a war, these millitary preparations take months to prepare. 
 
This was just a stupid move from india
This is just wrong at this point, after a few days now there is clear evidence both sides are targetting civilian infrastructure and civilians without any consideration. India yesterday even bombed a plaza with drones. With all due respect, this is an assumption you're making that they are rogue or making mistakes. I get it that you hate takfirism just like we all do here, but india isn't being considerate on civilians, they're obsessed with their PR like pakistan and will claim the wildest things to appease it's supporters and the fact they indiscriminently bomb civilian centers(not just terrorists) or mosques or shopping centers, should be proof of this.
Because takfiris in pakistan are brainless apes. Indian "cow lynch mobs" are tamer than their pakistani counterpart, they will instead beat on random muslims they suspect of eating cow meat or they wrongfully accuse of doing something to some indian girl.
I don't think that I denied pakistan having terrorist attacks originate from them, as a matter of fact, I even listed worse terrorist attacks where india did nothing afterwards. Whats unprecendented is indias behaviour, which is true, this is the first time india behaves like this. 
I am not, you even told me "There is also no real equivalence between Pakistan and India" in response to me saying that india and pakistan are the same here, if I was pro pakistani you would see a long list of brainless nonsense comming out from me.
 
Pakistan is obviously being incredibly stupid by not wanting to deescalate now and calling this a war and india which started this whole mess is left confused and shocked, not realising the gravity and stupidity of what their action a few days ago, just caused. India needs to realise theyre in a war now and they opened pandoras box a few days ago. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
On an unrelated note:
The amount of lies and misinformation Ive seen comming from indian and pakistani channels is incredible, I had to leave certain telegram channels to not be bombarded with their nonsense, from india using Ai videos to pakistan using Arma3 videos. Theyre more obssed about how many jets they downed, rather than the civilians theyre killing. I really advise not trusting indian or pakistani sources on anything here, they're known to put PR before facts. 

After calling out pakistan for slaugthering innocents and their hypocrisy? I don't think so. But I have to admit, you do give india a lot of excuses despite india being known to be full of it and only caring about their PR, just like pakistan. I might be wrong here though.
Neither is anyone from what I am aware confirming indias claims that pakistans government is behind it(i might be wrong, maybe they meant something else), except maybe countries like israel or other allies, but even they are saying "we support india in its fight against terrorism", I don't see an outright confirmation. It's been 2 weeks, most will call for deescalation and not say much.
Not necessarly, if they want the situation to deescalate, this is the same argument you made on 9/11 if I remember, that surely iran would have said it's a false flag, but things are never this simple.
 
And just to be clear, I am not confirming pakistans claims either, I don't know what really happened and I don't trust india or pakistan here, for all I know a third party could be involved, which you claimed initially and I tend to lean towards your theory, but india and pakistan want to find any excuse to kill eachother, so there we are. 
 
India was just stupid in starting this war and bombing pakistan, even if it's to "hit terrorist infrastructure", bombing another country you don't rule based on some flimsy investigation is about the dumbest thing to do. 
That's not normal at all, these imvestigations don't take a few hours or a few days, especially from unreliable nations like pakistan and india who need their claims verified and scrutinized extensivley. Obviously some unreliable outlets like india today will say this. What this shows here is premeditation to start a war, these millitary preparations take months to prepare. 
 
This was just a stupid move from india
This is just wrong at this point, after a few days now there is clear evidence both sides are targetting civilian infrastructure and civilians without any consideration. India yesterday even bombed a plaza with drones. With all due respect, this is an assumption you're making that they are rogue or making mistakes. I get it that you hate takfirism just like we all do here, but india isn't being considerate on civilians, they're obsessed with their PR like pakistan and will claim the wildest things to appease it's supporters and the fact they indiscriminently bomb civilian centers(not just terrorists) or mosques or shopping centers, should be proof of this.
Because takfiris in pakistan are brainless apes. Indian "cow lynch mobs" are tamer than their pakistani counterpart, they will instead beat on random muslims they suspect of eating cow meat or they wrongfully accuse of doing something to some indian girl.
I don't think that I denied pakistan having terrorist attacks originate from them, as a matter of fact, I even listed worse terrorist attacks where india did nothing afterwards. Whats unprecendented is indias behaviour, which is true, this is the first time india behaves like this. 
I am not, you even told me "There is also no real equivalence between Pakistan and India" in response to me saying that india and pakistan are the same here, if I was pro pakistani you would see a long list of brainless nonsense comming out from me.
 
Pakistan is obviously being incredibly stupid by not wanting to deescalate now and calling this a war and india which started this whole mess is left confused and shocked, not realising the gravity and stupidity of what their action a few days ago, just caused. India needs to realise theyre in a war now and they opened pandoras box a few days ago. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
On an unrelated note:
The amount of lies and misinformation Ive seen comming from indian and pakistani channels is incredible, I had to leave certain telegram channels to not be bombarded with their nonsense, from india using Ai videos to pakistan using Arma3 videos. Theyre more obssed about how many jets they downed, rather than the civilians theyre killing. I really advise not trusting indian or pakistani sources on anything here, they're known to put PR before facts. 

No, most shias dislike the fascist government of india. 
 
An example that I was just going to post now is this:
 
https://t.me/NEWWORLDORDYR/33921
 
Once they used to call them terrorists and insult their religion as a whole, today they refer to them as "martyrs"
 
Yesterday, when they themselves stormed their mosques, harassed Muslims, beat them, attacked them, violate the hijab of Muslim women, it was all seen as countering terrorists in a Hindu land
 
Today, the very same people they have been oppressing for a long time, are suddenly labelled as "our civilians" and they are given the title "martyrs"
 
An example of hypocrites from India who never cared about the Muslims in their country, nor moved an emotion for them and were seen as secondary, now suddenly use different tone when referring to them, why? Because these Indians were killed by Pakistan
 
Pakistan does not care about the Shias nor India care about Muslims altogether, what you are seeing from both sides, how they act like they care so much about the very groups they have been oppressing for years, to suddenly be referred to positively, is not out of humanity and realization, not for genuine and authentic unity, not because they truly value their lives, but to polish and brighten their image in media, they are just weaponizing the blood of the people they have been oppressing for years and have it as a card to unite people under their banner, it is nothing but a nationalist propaganda, in benefit of the regime and not the people
 
@NEWWORLDORDYR

India and pakistan lateley have been hitting eachothers millitary targets, with the latest being india that claims to have destroyed some of pakistans air defences.
 

Medman who has been quoting pakistans MOD a lot latley, claimed that india exaggerated their claims on the AD destruction:
https://t.me/medmannews/21535
No. An HQ-9 has not been damaged by those dollar store Indian-Israeli drones.
 
@medmannews
 
 
 
They also seem to have both hit eachothers urban centers, india doing the latest strikes. 
 
 
Whats intresting is the drones india used are israeli made:

Pictures of the drones: 
https://t.me/medmannews/21534?single
 

The shia mosque that india bombed and mercelesly killed shia civilians had takfiri terrorists? 
 
This is not collateral damage, pakistan being a hub of terrorism and takfirism doesn't excuse indias fascist government when they kill innocent people and use flimsy justifications as their "proof". 
 
So far both sides have been disgusting, shame on both countries, shame on india for starting this senless war by blaming pakistan imediatley without doing a proper investigation, shame on india for bombing mosques and killing innocents. Shame on pakistan for slaugthering innocents in india, I just saw a disgusting video of a child with its head open because of the pakistani shelling. 

I don't think it makes it an error, you certainly don't bomb mosques just like this with the flimsy justification that it's "terrorist infrastructure" without good undeniable evidence, it's a barbaric thing to do, it's just as barbaric and savage as bombing a hospital and in the case that some terrorist happened to be in one of the few mosques they bombed, that doesn't justify it either, you bomb these places when theyre being used to store ammunition and it's impossible to kill the people using that ammunition in another way, otherwise india is violating basic international law here and basic morality. Instead supporters of the bjp resort to stupid excuses like "it was 1 am, it looked suspicious, who goes to a mosque in 1am?".
 
 
The fact is, india, like pakistan is obsessed with their PR image, is going to bomb some random terrorist and bomb recklessly civilian targets and act like they were the one with restraint by saying "we informed iran to tell pakistan that our strike was going to be symbolic and only against terrorist targets." And thats what they did and iran told them to not be idiots and that they would not tell pakistan because this is such a stupid thing to do and told them to go tell pakistan themselves about their reckless plan.
Instead of taking irans advice, india decided to bomb pakistan and given pakistans reaction, I assume they were not informed by india.
A third party doing it is something I suspected too, this could be either india that got convinced to behave in an unhinged manner that is uncharacteristic of them or its a false flag and its meant to prepare the stage to get iran bombed or make iran beg for a deal with america once they are in a weaker position, but this needs more evidence and the world doesn't revolve around iran either. 
That I doubt it. 

The shia mosque that india bombed and mercelesly killed shia civilians had takfiri terrorists? 
 
This is not collateral damage, pakistan being a hub of terrorism and takfirism doesn't excuse indias fascist government when they kill innocent people and use flimsy justifications as their "proof". 
 
So far both sides have been disgusting, shame on both countries, shame on india for starting this senless war by blaming pakistan imediatley without doing a proper investigation, shame on india for bombing mosques and killing innocents. Shame on pakistan for slaugthering innocents in india, I just saw a disgusting video of a child with its head open because of the pakistani shelling. 

I don't think it makes it an error, you certainly don't bomb mosques just like this with the flimsy justification that it's "terrorist infrastructure" without good undeniable evidence, it's a barbaric thing to do, it's just as barbaric and savage as bombing a hospital and in the case that some terrorist happened to be in one of the few mosques they bombed, that doesn't justify it either, you bomb these places when theyre being used to store ammunition and it's impossible to kill the people using that ammunition in another way, otherwise india is violating basic international law here and basic morality. Instead supporters of the bjp resort to stupid excuses like "it was 1 am, it looked suspicious, who goes to a mosque in 1am?".
 
 
The fact is, india, like pakistan is obsessed with their PR image, is going to bomb some random terrorist and bomb recklessly civilian targets and act like they were the one with restraint by saying "we informed iran to tell pakistan that our strike was going to be symbolic and only against terrorist targets." And thats what they did and iran told them to not be idiots and that they would not tell pakistan because this is such a stupid thing to do and told them to go tell pakistan themselves about their reckless plan.
Instead of taking irans advice, india decided to bomb pakistan and given pakistans reaction, I assume they were not informed by india.
A third party doing it is something I suspected too, this could be either india that got convinced to behave in an unhinged manner that is uncharacteristic of them or its a false flag and its meant to prepare the stage to get iran bombed or make iran beg for a deal with america once they are in a weaker position, but this needs more evidence and the world doesn't revolve around iran either. 
That I doubt it. 

I don't think it makes it an error, you certainly don't bomb mosques just like this with the flimsy justification that it's "terrorist infrastructure" without good undeniable evidence, it's a barbaric thing to do, it's just as barbaric and savage as bombing a hospital and in the case that some terrorist happened to be in one of the few mosques they bombed, that doesn't justify it either, you bomb these places when theyre being used to store ammunition and it's impossible to kill the people using that ammunition in another way, otherwise india is violating basic international law here and basic morality. Instead supporters of the bjp resort to stupid excuses like "it was 1 am, it looked suspicious, who goes to a mosque in 1am?".
 
 
The fact is, india, like pakistan is obsessed with their PR image, is going to bomb some random terrorist and bomb recklessly civilian targets and act like they were the one with restraint by saying "we informed iran to tell pakistan that our strike was going to be symbolic and only against terrorist targets." And thats what they did and iran told them to not be idiots and that they would not tell pakistan because this is such a stupid thing to do and told them to go tell pakistan themselves about their reckless plan.
Instead of taking irans advice, india decided to bomb pakistan and given pakistans reaction, I assume they were not informed by india.
A third party doing it is something I suspected too, this could be either india that got convinced to behave in an unhinged manner that is uncharacteristic of them or its a false flag and its meant to prepare the stage to get iran bombed or make iran beg for a deal with america once they are in a weaker position, but this needs more evidence and the world doesn't revolve around iran either. 
That I doubt it. 

I don't think it makes it an error, you certainly don't bomb mosques just like this with the flimsy justification that it's "terrorist infrastructure" without good undeniable evidence, it's a barbaric thing to do, it's just as barbaric and savage as bombing a hospital and in the case that some terrorist happened to be in one of the few mosques they bombed, that doesn't justify it either, you bomb these places when theyre being used to store ammunition and it's impossible to kill the people using that ammunition in another way, otherwise india is violating basic international law here and basic morality. Instead supporters of the bjp resort to stupid excuses like "it was 1 am, it looked suspicious, who goes to a mosque in 1am?".
 
 
The fact is, india, like pakistan is obsessed with their PR image, is going to bomb some random terrorist and bomb recklessly civilian targets and act like they were the one with restraint by saying "we informed iran to tell pakistan that our strike was going to be symbolic and only against terrorist targets." And thats what they did and iran told them to not be idiots and that they would not tell pakistan because this is such a stupid thing to do and told them to go tell pakistan themselves about their reckless plan.
Instead of taking irans advice, india decided to bomb pakistan and given pakistans reaction, I assume they were not informed by india.
A third party doing it is something I suspected too, this could be either india that got convinced to behave in an unhinged manner that is uncharacteristic of them or its a false flag and its meant to prepare the stage to get iran bombed or make iran beg for a deal with america once they are in a weaker position, but this needs more evidence and the world doesn't revolve around iran either. 
That I doubt it. 

@mahmood8726 The fact that India has specifically refrained from hitting Pakistani military targets suggests that the strike on the mosque was indeed an error; under the circumstances India would have little or nothing to gain by deliberately seeking out civilian targets, much less highly visible ones. (Incidentally, Indian restraint also argues against a near-term assault on Iran; otherwise India would be doing more to militarily coerce Pakistan into doing its bidding.) The Pahalgam incident, therefore, might have been initiated by a third party, although the Indian foreign secretary is now specifically indicting Pakistan. If so, then both sides surely know that the attack was engineered by provocateurs, rather than regional state actors. Perhaps the airstrike on the mosque was also a kind of false flag, designed to sow mistrust between both sides.

The shia mosque that india bombed and mercelesly killed shia civilians had takfiri terrorists? 
 
This is not collateral damage, pakistan being a hub of terrorism and takfirism doesn't excuse indias fascist government when they kill innocent people and use flimsy justifications as their "proof". 
 
So far both sides have been disgusting, shame on both countries, shame on india for starting this senless war by blaming pakistan imediatley without doing a proper investigation, shame on india for bombing mosques and killing innocents. Shame on pakistan for slaugthering innocents in india, I just saw a disgusting video of a child with its head open because of the pakistani shelling. 

Now during this war, something caught my eye but I'm not sure what to make of it, Indias behaviour has been very uncharacteristic and weird, Ill show some telegram thread that I found intresting and wanted to see peoples thoughts on it:
https://t.me/NEWWORLDORDYR/33843
 
 | Why War Now?

- India's strikes on 9 locations in Pakistan that killed 26 civilians and wounded 50 are in response to an alleged attack in Pehelgam, Indian-Occupied Kashmir, that killed tourists, many of whom were international.

- Worse 'terrorist' attacks have taken place in India, with no apparent hostile action taken against Pakistan in the past. The Mumbai attacks of 26/11 killed a total of 175, with India alleging that it was also carried out by Pakistani-backed militants.

- Ajmal Kasab, one of the attackers, was famously interviewed by an Indian police officer. During the interview, speaking Urdu in an accent obviously foreign to Pakistan, he misgenders simple terms such as baraf para instead of baraf pari, which is to say, "It was snowing" while referring to snow in the masculine form, whereas it is feminine in Urdu. He misgenders more than once during the interview.

- Expressing remorse over his actions, he can also be heard saying "Bhagwan (the Hindu God) will never forgive me", which is an objectively unfathomable phrase for any Muslim to utter, whether Indian or Pakistani.

- These statements cast serious doubt on the origin of the attackers in the Mumbai 26/11 incident. They also provide a strong reason to doubt the credibility of Indian claims of Pakistani involvement in subsequent 'terror' incidents in India, such as Pehelgam. Let's now turn back to the current situation.

- A militant operation killing innocent tourists was carried out in Pehelgam, Indian-Occupied Kashmir, while JD Vance was visiting the country.

- Some interesting facts to contemplate when analysing this inident:

- Local Kashmiri militants (or those alleged to be backed by Pakistan) have never targeted tourists in the 77 years of conflict.

- The deaths of international tourists in Pehelgam, a Muslim majority area of Kashmir, poses a problem for the local Kashmiris the most, as they rely on tourism as their primary source of income in the region. Why alleged Kashmiri locals would carry out an operation that hurts their own livelihoods is an interesting thought to ponder.

- The Indus Water Treaty has never before been suspended, even during the 3 full-scale wars of 1948, 1961, and 1971.

- The suspension of this treaty before a day passed since the Pehelgam incident and without an investigation having taken place, suggests Indian premeditation and intent to incite war.

- India and Pakistan both are developing countries that cannot afford to go to war.

- India has never initiated war with Pakistan in the past. All 3 previous wars were triggered by Pakistan.

- Despite having existed for over 5000 years as one of the oldest civilizations in the world, India has historically never conquered any significant territory. It is not a warring nation. It is uncharacteristic of India to initiate war.

- India's attacks on Pakistan today, the deepest since the War of 1971, are evidently an open call to war instead of a limited operation. There is no rationale for India to attempt to initiate a war as that in no way benefits India.

- The incitement of this war only seems reasonable if an attack on Iran is confirmed. This would explain the premeditation and the uncharacteristically disproportionate reaction of India to the Pehelgam incident.

- It would make sense if India was ushered behind closed doors, much like Ukraine, to carry out this attack against Pakistan to prepare the operation theatre for a later attack on Iran.

- This would wound the only ally with a conventional military that could have offered meaningful support to Iran from the Eastern front whether militarily or non-militarily.

- If this is plausible, it would follow that the attack on Iran will be fitting of a scale that would compel it to require aid from its neighbours, (likely non-military, as Pakistan is unlikely to assist Iran militarily). The Indo-Pakistani war may just be the preface to a full-scale Iran/Israel/US war.

Now during this war, something caught my eye but I'm not sure what to make of it, Indias behaviour has been very uncharacteristic and weird, Ill show some telegram thread that I found intresting and wanted to see peoples thoughts on it:
https://t.me/NEWWORLDORDYR/33843
 
 | Why War Now?

- India's strikes on 9 locations in Pakistan that killed 26 civilians and wounded 50 are in response to an alleged attack in Pehelgam, Indian-Occupied Kashmir, that killed tourists, many of whom were international.

- Worse 'terrorist' attacks have taken place in India, with no apparent hostile action taken against Pakistan in the past. The Mumbai attacks of 26/11 killed a total of 175, with India alleging that it was also carried out by Pakistani-backed militants.

- Ajmal Kasab, one of the attackers, was famously interviewed by an Indian police officer. During the interview, speaking Urdu in an accent obviously foreign to Pakistan, he misgenders simple terms such as baraf para instead of baraf pari, which is to say, "It was snowing" while referring to snow in the masculine form, whereas it is feminine in Urdu. He misgenders more than once during the interview.

- Expressing remorse over his actions, he can also be heard saying "Bhagwan (the Hindu God) will never forgive me", which is an objectively unfathomable phrase for any Muslim to utter, whether Indian or Pakistani.

- These statements cast serious doubt on the origin of the attackers in the Mumbai 26/11 incident. They also provide a strong reason to doubt the credibility of Indian claims of Pakistani involvement in subsequent 'terror' incidents in India, such as Pehelgam. Let's now turn back to the current situation.

- A militant operation killing innocent tourists was carried out in Pehelgam, Indian-Occupied Kashmir, while JD Vance was visiting the country.

- Some interesting facts to contemplate when analysing this inident:

- Local Kashmiri militants (or those alleged to be backed by Pakistan) have never targeted tourists in the 77 years of conflict.

- The deaths of international tourists in Pehelgam, a Muslim majority area of Kashmir, poses a problem for the local Kashmiris the most, as they rely on tourism as their primary source of income in the region. Why alleged Kashmiri locals would carry out an operation that hurts their own livelihoods is an interesting thought to ponder.

- The Indus Water Treaty has never before been suspended, even during the 3 full-scale wars of 1948, 1961, and 1971.

- The suspension of this treaty before a day passed since the Pehelgam incident and without an investigation having taken place, suggests Indian premeditation and intent to incite war.

- India and Pakistan both are developing countries that cannot afford to go to war.

- India has never initiated war with Pakistan in the past. All 3 previous wars were triggered by Pakistan.

- Despite having existed for over 5000 years as one of the oldest civilizations in the world, India has historically never conquered any significant territory. It is not a warring nation. It is uncharacteristic of India to initiate war.

- India's attacks on Pakistan today, the deepest since the War of 1971, are evidently an open call to war instead of a limited operation. There is no rationale for India to attempt to initiate a war as that in no way benefits India.

- The incitement of this war only seems reasonable if an attack on Iran is confirmed. This would explain the premeditation and the uncharacteristically disproportionate reaction of India to the Pehelgam incident.

- It would make sense if India was ushered behind closed doors, much like Ukraine, to carry out this attack against Pakistan to prepare the operation theatre for a later attack on Iran.

- This would wound the only ally with a conventional military that could have offered meaningful support to Iran from the Eastern front whether militarily or non-militarily.

- If this is plausible, it would follow that the attack on Iran will be fitting of a scale that would compel it to require aid from its neighbours, (likely non-military, as Pakistan is unlikely to assist Iran militarily). The Indo-Pakistani war may just be the preface to a full-scale Iran/Israel/US war.

https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/18123?single
 
— NEW: One of the Pakistani mosques struck yesterday by Indian missiles was a Shia mosque
 
Pakistan's President, Prime Minister and Army Chief all attended the funeral ceremony amid the local Shia community, behind a Shia imam.
 
@Middle_East_Spectator
 
 
Pakistans government when warcrimes are being commited against shias in paranchinar: 
Pakistans government when india commits warcrimes against shias in it's country:   "we love shias, lets do namaz together" 
 
 
This is still a good gesture, it needs to be praised, but they need to show consistency when it's their own nation where these crimes against shias also take place repeatedly, instead of only when india does it. 

Now during this war, something caught my eye but I'm not sure what to make of it, Indias behaviour has been very uncharacteristic and weird, Ill show some telegram thread that I found intresting and wanted to see peoples thoughts on it:
https://t.me/NEWWORLDORDYR/33843
 
 | Why War Now?

- India's strikes on 9 locations in Pakistan that killed 26 civilians and wounded 50 are in response to an alleged attack in Pehelgam, Indian-Occupied Kashmir, that killed tourists, many of whom were international.

- Worse 'terrorist' attacks have taken place in India, with no apparent hostile action taken against Pakistan in the past. The Mumbai attacks of 26/11 killed a total of 175, with India alleging that it was also carried out by Pakistani-backed militants.

- Ajmal Kasab, one of the attackers, was famously interviewed by an Indian police officer. During the interview, speaking Urdu in an accent obviously foreign to Pakistan, he misgenders simple terms such as baraf para instead of baraf pari, which is to say, "It was snowing" while referring to snow in the masculine form, whereas it is feminine in Urdu. He misgenders more than once during the interview.

- Expressing remorse over his actions, he can also be heard saying "Bhagwan (the Hindu God) will never forgive me", which is an objectively unfathomable phrase for any Muslim to utter, whether Indian or Pakistani.

- These statements cast serious doubt on the origin of the attackers in the Mumbai 26/11 incident. They also provide a strong reason to doubt the credibility of Indian claims of Pakistani involvement in subsequent 'terror' incidents in India, such as Pehelgam. Let's now turn back to the current situation.

- A militant operation killing innocent tourists was carried out in Pehelgam, Indian-Occupied Kashmir, while JD Vance was visiting the country.

- Some interesting facts to contemplate when analysing this inident:

- Local Kashmiri militants (or those alleged to be backed by Pakistan) have never targeted tourists in the 77 years of conflict.

- The deaths of international tourists in Pehelgam, a Muslim majority area of Kashmir, poses a problem for the local Kashmiris the most, as they rely on tourism as their primary source of income in the region. Why alleged Kashmiri locals would carry out an operation that hurts their own livelihoods is an interesting thought to ponder.

- The Indus Water Treaty has never before been suspended, even during the 3 full-scale wars of 1948, 1961, and 1971.

- The suspension of this treaty before a day passed since the Pehelgam incident and without an investigation having taken place, suggests Indian premeditation and intent to incite war.

- India and Pakistan both are developing countries that cannot afford to go to war.

- India has never initiated war with Pakistan in the past. All 3 previous wars were triggered by Pakistan.

- Despite having existed for over 5000 years as one of the oldest civilizations in the world, India has historically never conquered any significant territory. It is not a warring nation. It is uncharacteristic of India to initiate war.

- India's attacks on Pakistan today, the deepest since the War of 1971, are evidently an open call to war instead of a limited operation. There is no rationale for India to attempt to initiate a war as that in no way benefits India.

- The incitement of this war only seems reasonable if an attack on Iran is confirmed. This would explain the premeditation and the uncharacteristically disproportionate reaction of India to the Pehelgam incident.

- It would make sense if India was ushered behind closed doors, much like Ukraine, to carry out this attack against Pakistan to prepare the operation theatre for a later attack on Iran.

- This would wound the only ally with a conventional military that could have offered meaningful support to Iran from the Eastern front whether militarily or non-militarily.

- If this is plausible, it would follow that the attack on Iran will be fitting of a scale that would compel it to require aid from its neighbours, (likely non-military, as Pakistan is unlikely to assist Iran militarily). The Indo-Pakistani war may just be the preface to a full-scale Iran/Israel/US war.

Obviously, this war is stupid and will cause millions to die, pakistan and india should do what iran and pakistan did in 2023 and deescalate this fast, but both brainless countries seem hinged on wanting to destroy eachother. 
 
Whats worse is both pakistan and india are full of misinformation, theyre so focused on their stupud PR image. These 2 countries should be used as an example on why blind nationalism is a cancer.