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Ultimate truth

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  1. Okay so different scholars have their own fiqh from Musnad Zayd (عليه السلام)?
  2. Mashallah where can I get Musnad Imam Zayd (عليه السلام) from?
  3. Jazakallah was Musnad Imam Zayd (عليه السلام). written by Imam zayd (عليه السلام). himself or later how is it's authenticity verifiable?
  4. Jazakallah you say you follow Hadawi fiqh Does this mean there are schools of fiqh in Zaiydiya also?
  5. Jazakallah the Author also asserts that the Zaydiya had theological differences with each other in the beginning can you tell us how Zaydiya theology developed over time ? I am asking because I want to understand the Zaidi point of view
  6. Jazakallah for clearing up your position . Further question would be Imam Hasan (عليه السلام) making peace with Muwayia the accursed doesn't effect your position?
  7. Jazakallah khair thanks for the link Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) bless you. A couple of questions pertaining to the Zaydiya. In the section under Zaydiya....The author has two sections. "The weak Zaydiya " & " The strong Zaydiya " He asserts that former was Battriya & The latter Jarrudiya. In both instances he alludes that the Zaydiya do not consider Imam Hasan (عليه السلام) Immamat or atleast he doesn't mention that Zaydiya believed in it is this true?
  8. Aslamalay qum , Brothers in Islam I am interested in the early history of the sons of Imam Hasan & Hussain (عليه السلام). I want understand why the early the revolts against the Abbasids failed & why the descendants of Imam Hasan & Hussain (عليه السلام) were not United. I don't want this to turn into a debate rather a Impartial look at History without trying to look at it from sectarian lenses. I would really like to hear from my Zaidi brothers and find out their opnions. I suggest everyone post references when providing a overview this will eliminate personal opnions. I look forward to hearing your responses I will pose different questions sticking to the topic as I recieve your responses. Wasalam
  9. Lol incorrect sources from wikipedia I have given you sources from the books and I can give you resources from Independent history and our corpus of hadith for your very illogical claims that Imam Sadiq (عليه السلام) gave pledge of allegiance to Muhammad nafs al Zakiyah. Then decided to abandon Muhammad nafs al Zakiyah far above such illogical accusations is Imam Sadiq (عليه السلام). There is no proof in history of Imam Sadiq (عليه السلام) fighting alongside Muhammad nafs Al Zakiyah. History testifies that eventually Muhammad nafs al Zakiyah was finally abandoned by his supporters. Have a good day wasalam
  10. We also have different hadith which states Imam Sadiq (عليه السلام) did not give bayah to Muhammad nafs Al zakiyah. If Imam sadiq (عليه السلام) gave bayah allegiance to Muhammad nafs al Zakiyah why didn't he fight alongside him ?? Are you now accusing Imam Sadiq (عليه السلام) of giving bayah and abandoning Muhammad nafs Al Zakiyah naudbillah.???? It's utter nonsense all independent history testifies that Imam Sadiq (عليه السلام) did not give bayah to Muhammad nafs Al Zakiyah you are clearly lying against Imam Sadiq (عليه السلام) As for the Sunni hadith it was not shown to you on the grounds that we base our Aqeedah upon it . It was shown to you on the grounds that we have a neutral source I can provide more from Sunni sources including one from Yannabi al mawaddah chapter 76 with the names . We also have many narrations from our own corpus of hadith. So far you have failed to provide any independent evidence from Sunni sources for your concept of Immamat which was the whole point. It's laughable that you accuse ithnasheri of evolution and instability when you belong to a school of thought that has undergone several radical evolutions in it's theology to morph into what it is today. Clearly your concept of Imammat s not divine you have no evidence from neutral sources apart from referring to hadith Al kissa & hadith thaqlayn. To this day half of you still believe the khilafat of the first three Khalifa legitimate while majority of you don't condemn them The people of the cloak make mistakes, forget and sin and you illogicaly present this as infallibility . You have been very anti Ibadhi/ Mutazilite pro Ibadhi/ Mutazilite in your history you are basically Sunnis in disguise . As for the only valid point you have is after the greater occultation there was a theological debate around Ijtihad where Akhbari believed we should stick to hadith when deducting rulings in fiqh. The Usooli disagreed and felt there should be a system in place for new challenges to deduct rulings according to Ijtihad Unlike your early scholars who practiced qiyas guesswork maybe even that has changed your sect has gone through so many transformations in theology it's difficult to keep up for the layman. I am still waiting patiently for you to present hadith from independent sources for designation of Imamat for Imam Hasan (عليه السلام). & Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) & the end of your divine fallible Imamat at 61 AH. Wasalam
  11. And for the record 99 % of our scholars hold the third testimony as recommended
  12. Narrated Jabir ibn Samura: I heard the Prophet (s) saying: “There will be Twelve Commanders.” He then said a sentence which I did not hear. My father said, the Prophet added, “All of them will be from Quraysh.” 1. Sahih al-Bukhari (English ver.) Hadith: 9.329. Sahih al-Bukhari, (Arabic), 4:165, Kitabul Ahkam. This hadeeth is narrated in many other sources as well, including: 2. Musnad Ahmad bin Hanbal, Vol 5 p97 and 101 3. Umadathl Qari- page 271 4. Tafseer ibn Kathir Vol7 page 110 5. Jami Usul Volume 4 page 440 (Egypt) 6. Al Bidaya al Nihaya Volume 2 page 248 7. Sawaiqh al Muhriqa page 187 8. Hilayathul Awliya Volume 333 9. Tarkeeh Kabeer Volume 1 446 The Prophet (s) said: “The Religion (Islam) will continue until the Hour (Day of Resurrection), having Twelve Caliphs for you, all of them will be from Quraysh.” Sahih Muslim. (English ver.), Chapter DCCLIV, v3, p1010, Tradition #4483; Sahih Muslim (Arabic), Kitab al-Imaara, 1980 Saudi Arabian Edition, v3, p1453, Tradition #10 1. Where is name of Abu bakr in above hadiths? 2. Maqtal al talibyeen is pro Zaydi book written by a Zaydi so the report about Imam Sadiq (عليه السلام) pledging allegiance is incorrect. Also the Author doesn't always mention the chain / Isnad. 3 I find it absolutely ludicrous to accuse us of constant evolution and being reactionary when you're whole movement started with a reaction of khuruj. 4. AS already proven your ideological foundation has kept changing right from the beginning of your movement so your really not in position to accuse others of the same. 5. I'm not interested in the consensus of the Ahlebait (عليه السلام) being infallible that's a different debate. 6. Simply put your beliefs in regards to people of the cloak are no different to the Sunnis they forget, make mistakes and sin that is not Divine leadership in any sense of the word. 7. You still need to prove that your fallible Divine leadership which ended with Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) ??? 8. Please don't side track knowledge of the unseen is a different debate. 9. You say Divine fallible Immamat ended with Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) and continued with normal fallible Immamat which you have the fundamentals for why was it abolished in the sixties? wasalam
  13. So let's break this down further & reveal the contradiction. Zaiydiya believe the people of the cloak are fallible they forget make mistakes & are liable to commit sin. They present this in a eloquent way when in reality their position is no different to the Sunni position. Furthermore they call this Sunni position Divine Immamat when anyone with common sense can see this is not Divine Immamat at all. This is proved further by the fact that they can neither prove the designation or end of this Immamat with Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) from Sunni sources . And here is the most astonishing part they insist Immamat continues through the lineage of Hassani/ Hussain Sayads and any one who is pious can be Imam. So in other words there's no difference between the people of the cloak and any subsequent Imams because they all forget, make mistakes and sin they specifically believe that both the people of the cloak & subsequent Imams are fallible. In short they believe the same concept as Sunnis ....Some of them still hold the khilafat of the Abu Bakr, Umar & Uthman legitimate. Others reject Uthman and believe in the khilafat of the first two legitimate. Today they say we only criticise the actions of the first three khulafa and stop at that. Unfortunately all of this contradictory theology of changing Ideological stances throughout history has nothing to do with Zayd bin Ali (عليه السلام) Wasalam
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