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way2go

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  1. The easiest way to get yourself booted from a Christian site is to ask where in the Bible it clearly states Jesus was God.

    How about John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    Revelation 19:13-16 He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. 14And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. From his mouth comes a sharp sword(AI) with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.

    Also, John 20:28 - Thomas answered him,"My Lord and my God!" :)


  2. Where as research nowadays is showing that in fact influence was the other way. Many midrash of the "oral Torah" were made up that took islamic ideas and then judeo-fied them

    http://www.google.com/search?q=midrash&amp...c-awareness.org

    We have to bare in my the amount of conjectural spinning takes places in these theories on the NT's origins

    The fact of the matter is nobody believes Mathew, Mark, Luke and John ever even existed anymore. Rather the individual gospels were manufactured by multiple anonymous authors. We know next to the nothing where they were written, who wrote them, what theological affiliations they had and so forth

    Every christian seminary also now teaches that none of the gospel writers ever met Jesus

    Then again most christians don't know this about their gospels. Little do they know they aren't books on a message of Jesus, instead they are arguments between various writers on who and what Jesus was

    Ironic because Jesus' words don't even make up even 10% of the NT

    Last I checked every seminary (my denomination) across the country does NOT teach that "none of the gospel writers ever met Jesus." I'd like proof to back up your claim.

    There are thousands of Bibical manuscripts, including around 250 complete manuscripts of the Gospels with a fragment from John even found in Egypt - that's how widely it was distributed. Based on the distribution of the Gospels alone, they were more numerous than all details of the Roman history at that time. That in itself is amazing when we consider that was at a time when the Roman authorities had every reason to stop the rise of Christianity and yet, even under the watch of the Jewish leaders Christianity was born and flourished.

    Based on the fact that there is more than one account of the Gospels while the Quran is an account from one individual who came 600 years after Christ, then, when I repeatedly read claims of Biblical "corruption" from Muslims, the more convinced I become that the corruption surely has to be the Quran.


  3. For the few Christians still on this board and those who may just be lurking, here's something to encourage you. When it started playing my first thought was that it really wasn't my type of music, but they have good voices. I listened on ... you've all heard Amazing Grace before but never like this .. from the Coliseum in Rome. Listen through to the last verse, it'll give you goose bumps!

    http://link.brightcove.com/services/player...ctid=1913313052


  4. I spent a fortnight up there one weekend and actually saw the grass grow. We are not as ignorant down here as some insecure folks in the Great White think we are. We are taught world history all the way back to the begining when Columbus stumbled on our shores in Cape Cod. I know what I am talking about.

    Peace

    Satyaban

    Sssh, don't spoil their fun. My family are all from up north and every time we visit, we're subjected to ridicule, criticism and complaints from Canadians about their neighbors to the south. I met this one guy from Vancouver Island who ranted on about his hatred for Americans. I wondered where this hatred came from and supposed that at some point in his life he must have had a bad experience in the US. I let him vent and asked him when was his last visit to the States. Imagine my surprise when he informed me that he had never visited the US! How does one enter a dialogue with someone like that? I told him I hoped he felt better after getting that load off his chest and wished him a wonderful day and left.

    Americans should be more educated about Canada than they are but, sadly, it's not due to ignorance, it's just that they're not interested.


  5. Here is hadith says :

    ?May Allah curse the Jews and the Christians, for they took the graves of their Prophets as places of worship.? ?Aa?ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said, ?He was warning against what they had done.? Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1330, Muslim, 529.

    The shia and sufis say hadith above talks about Jews and Christians who worship the graves like grave of Saint Peter in Vatican . I am not sure if they do this or not till some christian friends tell us .

    If I remember correctly, except for Ezekial who was buried in Babylon, all the Old Testament prophets were buried in the Holy Land. Jesus is the last prophet of Christianity and He has no grave. Peter was an apostle, not a prophet so I have no idea what that Hadith is all about.


  6. And this is what you would tell someone who is trying to converse with Christians? This is the same blubbering that keeps Muslims where they are on the popularity scale.

    Your copy/paste opinion is annoying and not what I'd see as helpful at all.

    Exactly. Thank you.

    Here Paul, one of Christianity's most beloved apostles, is refered to as "the liar and fake Paul." I not only find that most offensive, but wonder why any Christian would want to enter into a discussion where there's such disrespect.


  7. 11 Peter 3:8But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

    As Peter wrote, Gods time is timeless in comparasin to our clocks and calenders.

    God set all things in motion. Because God can say "be" and it is does not mean He must do everything by nano-seconds. If God decided to create in an orderly fashion, the world is no doubt better for it.

    However, in relation to the creation of the earth, in Genesis 1:1-13 the Bible clearly states an evening and a morning is one day.

    1) In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

    And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

    And God said, "Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters." And God made the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse from the waters that were above the expanse. And it was so. And God called the expanse Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day.

    And God said, "Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear." And it was so. God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good.

    And God said, "Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, on the earth." And it was so. The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their own kinds, and trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening and there was morning, the third day.


  8. Let me remind you people once again that those who carried out these attacks were HINDUS not muslims.

    I don't think so. The fact that a Jewish Center was an intended target, and the fact that the people in that center were the only ones tortured before being killed, speaks of radical Islam.


  9. Hello Yonus,

    I love everything about Him. The fact that He came to this earth, took on the form of man so that He could experience all the things mortal man is faced with and teaches us to be the best a human being can be. He taught by example to be kind, compassionate, loving, joyful, patient, forgiving, merciful, gentle, to mention a few.

    Even though I often fail, and may never develop the character of Jesus, His teachings encourage me to continue trying, and in so doing I truly believe I become a better person.

    For me as a Christian, His words on the cross, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do," is profound because I'm reminded that these words were spoken not before His death, or afterwards, but in a moment of tremendous suffering. That's powerful.


  10. Hi. It's been awhile. I dropped in to read what was happening in Canada and had to read what was happening in this forum too. Couldn't resist posting this. For me it says it all.

    Socrates taught for 40 years, Plato for 50, Aristotle for 40, and Jesus for only 3. Yet the influence of Christ’s 3-year ministry infinitely transcends the impact left by the combined 130 years of teaching from these men who were among the greatest philosophers of all antiquity.

    Jesus painted no pictures; yet, some of the finest paintings of Raphael, Michelangelo, and Leonardo da Vinci received their inspiration from Him.

    Jesus wrote no poetry; but Dante, Milton, and scores of the world’s greatest poets were inspired by Him.

    Jesus composed no music; still Haydn, Handel, Beethoven, Bach, and Mendelssohn reached their highest perfection of melody in the hymns, symphonies, and oratories they composed in His praise.

    Every sphere of human greatness has been enriched by this humble Carpenter of Nazareth.

    ~Henry G. Bosch


  11. What?  You don't know if you have written posts threatening Iranians or not? I didn't realize that was going to be such a difficult question for you to field (or, in your case, not field.)

    But you're not the poster I was referring to (Though evidently, by your reply above, I wasn't very far off) so I have edited my criticisms out.

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    Assumptions once again, IAA. While I know I have never threatened anyone, I also know misunderstandings happen, where someone reading one of my posts might perceive something I wrote to be a threat. That's the only reason I asked for further clarification.

    No need to edit anything out. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. Yours has spoken.

    This shrine/mosque destruction is a tragedy but to have people consider a shrine more important than human lives, that they go out and murder 3 Imams and retaliate in they way they have is so extremely disappointing to say the least. :cry:

    I need a break from here. Enjoy your stay.


  12. Didn't you just write a post threatening Iranians? Or do I have you confused with someone else?

    Don't make wild assumptions. Quote the post you're referring to so that I can have an idea of what you're talking about.

    Because, if that was you, I would like to know why you don't move to Israel, since you hate Muslims so much?  They will give a sniper rifle, teach you to make head shots, and tell you to take out anyone above the age of 2.  Oh!  Yeah!  You can even stand over their dead bodies afterwards and empty your clip into them with no problem.  You'd be in heaven over there. 

    I don't hate anyone. You should considering converting to Islam, you'd fit in quite well with the rest of the Jew hating majority.

    So why don't you leave and do the rest of us Americans a favor?  We won't miss you when you're gone (What bigot has America ever missed?).   The only thing that will happen when you're gone is for our national IQ to rise overnight (Texas and Mississippi excluded). 

    People like you, and comments like those above, make it very difficult for Muslims to trust Americans.

    Speaking of "Duke", how is your brother, David? :)

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    You and Greg belong to the same clan or something?

    Cross burning must have turned sour tonight. ;)


  13. could be the same people dressing as iraqi police and killing sunnis.

    Check out my blog http://pray4iraq.blogspot.com  i have called on my fellow shia to stay calm.

    IMO all of our futures depend on it.

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    Well done! I like that.

    I don't believe the majority of Sunni's would approve of this bombing either. It's probably remnants of Saddam's Baathist regime in cahoots with Zarqawi people.

    I hope Shia and Sunni leaders get together to talk and work together through this terrible time in Iraq's history.


  14. true but the symbolic significance of the attack is what is the issue here.

    with many feeling like the end of the world is nigh, an attack on a shrine dedicated to the Mahdi (as) and his father provokes strong emotions.

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    Of course it does, and should. It's a tremendous loss, but it can be rebuilt.

    They caught a number of men who they say are insurgents who entered the Mosque dressed in Iraqi police uniforms.

    Tit for tat burning of mosques is not going to solve anything. It's going to further divide the country. I hope the Shia take this opportunity to show the world a better way to deal with this situation and not the same way some acted over the cartoon situation.


  15. You're disgusting.

    Show some respect, if not to the imam (as) , to our grief and right to mourn.

    Ugh.

    Wasalaam

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    He's right in one respect. Human lives are more important than stones. While this is a great historical loss, be thankful that a lot of lives were not lost as well.

    Buildings can be replaced but the lost loved one never will.


  16. we shias hate americans and your daddy saddam.

    But your wahhabi arabia is the best friend of Usrael!

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    Spoken like a true Muslim? We can feel the love. *puke*

    my initial response to this, and the bombing at some sunni mosque, besides sadness and anger at the perpetrators, was that this was probably done by U.S. or it's allies in an effort to stir civil war in Iraq, because the last thing the american govt. wants is a strong and stable shia majority government that would probably unite with Iran against the U.S..

    and I am an american before anyone who doesn't know me thinks I'm other than american saying these things.

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    (salam)

    ^^ Thats exactly what my dad says!  :(

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    Why do you continue living in a country that you think so little of? Why don't you move to an Islamic country where they are incapable of wrongdoing. :rolleyes:

    People like you, and comments like those above, make it very difficult to trust Muslims. This mindset seems to be more common among Muslims than they let on.

    BTW, we don't need to stir civil war. Muslims have a history of not getting along with each other. Never have, never will. They react violently to other groups, rain curses at the drop of a hat, chant "death to" all and sundry and are master revenge seekers bar none.

    We should supply them all with nukes and let them duke it out. ;)


  17. ^The only problem is when your definition of sin becomes distorted and corrupted because of the tarnished and bridged nature of your beliefs. A product of “modernizing” a religion.

    Answer this question. In Christianity, is being homosexual a sin, or is it only committing the act of homosexuality? Well, that’s the big debate that’s going on right now, isn’t it? The Roman Catholic Church finally decided that being homosexual is in fact NOT a sin, where committing the act of homosexuality is. But nonetheless, the had enough sense to realize that homosexual priests won’t really be a nice new addition to their churches, and that their state of homosexuality gets in the way of their “communion” with Christ.

    It’s sort of like saying that believing in satanic and devilish concepts, to the extent that they define who you are is just fine, just as long as you don’t act by those satanic and devilish concepts.

    It clearly illustrates why the Christian concept of God’s punishment being reserved for people who only commit “sins of the flesh”, and disregarding the mindset and intention of the person is flawed to say the least. In reality, Allah SWT judges a person not only by the outcome of their actions, but also according to the intentions and beliefs that they hold. After all, can true justice be achieved if God were to disregard the latter? I think not.

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    Is lust a sin? No, it's normal. The person who feels lust is not a sinner until they act out on it and cheats on their spouse.

    Same with homosexuality.

    Some things cannot be legislated. If a person feels n his heart that there is no God, you cannot force them to believe that there is. You can attempt to reason with them and hopefully convince them that there is a God but killing them will serve no purpose. It will forever rob them of the chance of getting to heaven.


  18. I apologize if I appeared to be attacking you - that was not my intention.  I came to this forum to learn -  but just in this thread alone I feel as though my questions are not welcome and that there is a lot of animosity towrds me - someone you don't know and don't wish to know.  My questions have not been respected or validated so I am guessing my ideas will not be either.

    Again, I apologize for any part of your anger I am responsible for.

    Peace.

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    Don't feel bad forte, it's not you personally. ;) Rather you will find it's the pack mentality which, unfortunately, rears it's head when their perception is that Islam is questioned. You'll get used to it.

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