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  1. @Placid What ur posting is not relevant to the subject. Plus your in denial of being dualist when you are a dualist.
  2. These people were the same people who have payed allegiance to the first three Caliphs and fought against those who realised their mistake and killed Othman in hopes to hasten the reign of imam Ali ((عليه السلام)) since many of these people were in imam Ali ((عليه السلام)) army they saw imam Ali as being in agreement of what they did thus resulted in them to being blind to the prophets ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) words regarding the rights of Ali and prophecy about his event which the prophet said to ammar the kaffurs will kill him. And one of persons who heard prophecy and narrated it, was on the kaffurs side. This person is like the person which the Quran discribes of the people of old, surah 62:2 “The example of those who were entrusted with the Torah and then did not take it on is like that of a donkey who carries volumes [of books]. Wretched is the example of the people who deny the signs of Allah . And Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people.”
  3. Jesus is saying a parable to the people to understand what are the consequences of neglecting his teachings and what are the consequences of the one who practices what jesus taught. In short the who put into practice jesus teaching will pass in the day of Judgement and the one who didn’t will fall since he followed no law of righteousness and submission to God. As John 1 says the law of God came through Moses and grace and truth came through jesus. The OT is partially corrupted even early Christian traditions which date to the mid first century some say early 2nd century which is a copy of a ealier version in the very early first century, show the disciples believed the OT contained some corrupted parts and belived prophets of God are infallible and they had a criterion to distinguish truth from falsehood contained within OT. Jesus had to make clear what sect he belonged and etc since jesus was in his final moments with his disciples in this context. Go read “Saul(Paul) refuted” thread it answers this in-depth or see “Trinitarians fantasies” thread. Picture this in your head. Jesus ,a man, came to John got baptised then a voice was heard (which is God creating sound waves) then the God strengthens jesus with the holy spirit which came in a form of a dove supposedly. three of this things are DISTINCT from each other... their not one, so it’s either you believe God is made up of three parts or the three make a group called “God”. He calls God “the Father” and he is distinguishing Him from Jesus. It’s crystal clear. Romans 15:6 “6so that with one mind and one voice you may glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.” ”..you may glorify the God...of our Lord Jesus Christ” paul believes Jesus has a God and that God is jesus’ father. Samething is shown in Ephesians 1:3 and Colossians 1:3.
  4. I don’t want to make more than one thread.
  5. Luke 19: 1While they were listening to this, he went on to tell them a parable, because he was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once. 12He said: “A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return. 13So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas. ‘Put this money to work,’ he said, ‘until I come back.’ 14“But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, ‘We don’t want this man to be our king.’ 15“He was made king, however, and returned home. Then he sent for the servants to whom he had given the money, in order to find out what they had gained with it. 16“The first one came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned ten more.’ 17“ ‘Well done, my good servant!’ his master replied. ‘Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.’ 18“The second came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned five more.’ 19“His master answered, ‘You take charge of five cities.’ 20“Then another servant came and said, ‘Sir, here is your mina; I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth. 21I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.’ 22“His master replied, ‘I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow? 23Why then didn’t you put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?’ 24“Then he said to those standing by, ‘Take his mina away from him and give it to the one who has ten minas.’ 25“ ‘Sir,’ they said, ‘he already has ten!’ 26“He replied, ‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what they have will be taken away. 27But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’ ” this parable is reference to Jesus, he is speaking about himself in a parable. Trinitarians staunchly and arrogantly deny to show Islam is “violent” and their religion is about “love and peace”. 12He said: “A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return. ”a man of noble birth...” Was Jesus born of a noble birth ? Thru God’s decree Mary got pregnant, Mary is from a prophetic line and she gave birth to jesus who is a prophet of God and Jesus birth was a miracle. That’s as noble as you can get. ”went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return.” that country is Israel. 13Pilate then went back inside the palace, summoned Isho and asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?” “You have said so,” Isho replied. 29The soldiers twisted together a crown of thorns and put it on his head. They clothed him in a purple robe 30and went up to him again and again, saying, “Hail, king of the Jews!” And they slapped him in the face. jesus was the king of the Jews. So it’s crystal clear that this parable is about jesus. In short the arrogant will be killed.
  6. @placid @Dave follower of The Way
  7. You are using wali and Awliya interchangeably. No they aren’t out guardians nor are they the friends of Allah I.e the three caliphs. According to ayatollah kamal al-Haydari a person is allowed to style his beard how ever he wants but not permitted to go clean shave. Ayatollah fadilullah says you are allowed to go clean shave. No. No wali of Allah says Hazrat to cowards. They are technically invalid, many of our narrations show that their salah is in vain.
  8. If this web was not like them I would’ve shown the reality of the “sheikyan” and give them an end. And the reality off Sunnism. The sameway I show the trinitarians their reality of their pagan doctrine.
  9. Kamal al-haydari says you can style it however you want and ayatollah fadilullah says it is permissible to clean shave but im not sure of it being makruh.
  10. 2 chronicles 2:5 -Tanakh 2 Chronicles 6:18-Tanakh chadbad.
  11. See “A refute to the deceivers” thread. It makes things crystal clear regarding the verses your taking out of context. You are running away from my arguments to the Quran and altering a passsgss after i have come with clear arguments refuting ur pagan beliefs. Typical Pauline.
  12. Some Paulines in this web have tried to take verses from the Quran out of context and misinterpret verses in hopes to support their baseless beliefs after not bringing arguments to defend their baseless beliefs after they had all been refuted. Surah 5:13 “So for their breaking of the covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard. They distort words from their [proper] usages and have forgotten A PORTION OF THAT OF WHICH THEY WERE REMINDED. And you will still observe deceit among them, except a few of them. But pardon them and overlook [their misdeeds]. Indeed, Allah loves the doers of good.” Fabima naqdiHim meethaqahum laAAannahum waJaAAalna quloobahum qasiyatanyuharrifoona alkalima AAan mawadiAAihi waNasoo haththanMimma thukkiroo bihi wala tazalu tattaliAAuAAala kha-inatin minhum illa qaleelan minhumfaAAfu AAanhum wasfah inna Allahayuhibbu almuhsineen not only did the Jews distort the words from its places but they also abandoned a portion of the scripture, the Jews today only have a portion of the scripture and the other portion has been abandoned hence we see corrupted parts in the Torah and also in the Kutvim and Navim. Transliteration of Jeremiah 8:8 8How do you say, "We are wise, and the Torah of Yahweh is with us"? Verily, behold it is actually the vain pen, he made a false scribe. jeremiah 8:9 9Wise men were ashamed, they were broken and caught; behold they rejected the word of Yahweh, now what wisdom have they? we can see that in the time of prophet Jeremiah the Torah has been partially corrupted but the law has been persevered. Deuteronomy 13:1 “1Everything I command you that you shall be careful to do it. You shall neither add to it, nor subtract from it.” the Jews held faithful to the law but they abondend a portion of the scripture thus corrupted parts came in the stories. Surah 5:44 “Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which WAS(past tense) guidance and light. The prophets who submitted [to Allah ] judged by it for the Jews, as did the rabbis and scholars by that with which they were entrusted of the Scripture of Allah, and they were witnesses thereto. So do not fear the people but fear Me, and do not exchange My verses for a small price. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the disbelievers.” Inna anzalna attawrata feeha hudan wa noorun yahkumu biha annabiyyoona allatheena aslamoo lillatheena hadoo wa-rrabbaniyyoona wal ahbaru bima istuhfithoomin kitabi Allahi wakanoo AAalayhi shuhadaafala takhshawoo annasa wakhshawniwala tashtaroo bi-ayatee thamanan qaleelanwaman lam yahkum bima anzala Allahu faola-ikahumu alkafiroon Surah 5:46 “And following in their footsteps, We sent Jesus son of Mary, confirming that which came before him IN THE TORAH; and We gave him the Gospel, in which WAS(past tense) guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it IN THE TORAH as guidance and instruction for the righteous.” Wa qaffayna AAala atharihimbiAAeesa ibni maryama musaddiqan lima baynayadayhi mina attawrati wa-ataynahual-injeela feehi hudan wa-noorun wamusaddiqan limabayna yadayhi mina attawrati wahudan wamawAAithatanlilmuttaqeen jesus came to confirm the truth contained in the Torah which is the law and and a portion of the persevered prophetic writings and prophecies. Mathew 5:17-20 17“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the law until everything is accomplished. 19Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. Surah 5:14 And from those who say, "We are Christians" We TOOK THEIR covenant; BUT they FORGOT A PORTION of that of which they were reminded. So We caused among them animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. And Allah is going to inform them about what they used to do. Wa-mina al-latheena qaloo inna-nasara akhathna meethaqahum fa-nasoo haththan mimma thukkiroobihi faaghrayna baynahumu alAAadawata walbaghdaaila yawmi alqiyamati wasawfa yunabbi-ohumu Allahubima kanoo yasnaAAoon the Christians today only have a portion of the scripture and the other potion is corrupted because they abandoned a portion of what they were reminded of thus Hellenistic and pagan beliefs came in after the gospel was lost. Thus the gospels today they have as is containes only a portion of the truth. surah 5:47 “And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed THEREIN. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.” Walyahkum ahlu al-injeeli bimaAnzala Allahu feehi waman lam yahkum bimaAnzala Allahu fa ola-ika humu alfasiqoon The verse says to judge by what Allah has revealed IN the gospel. Jesus many times says what he says and the works is not by his own inclinations rather it is naught but a revelation. John 14:10-11 “...The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is Allaha through me who is doing His work. 11Believe me when I say that I am united(i.e in purpose) with Allaha and Allaha is united with me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.” so to know what Allah has revealed therein we judge by the law and the prophets( persevered portion). Jesus says in Mathew 5:17 17“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.” So Judge the gospel by the law and the prophets and the truth contained in there will be distinguished from falsehood therein. I have presented a great example of that. Surah 5:48 “And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it in/from the Scripture and AS A CRITERION OVER IT. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ.” Wa-anzalna ilayka alkitaba bilhaqqimusaddiqan lima bayna yadayhi mina alkitabi wa muhayminan AAalayhi fahkum baynahum bima-anzala Allahu wala tattabiAA ahwaahum AAammajaaka mina alhaqqi likullin jaAAalna minkumshirAAatan waminhajan walaw shaa AllahulajaAAalakum ommatan wahidatan walakin liyabluwakumfeema atakum fastabiqoo alkhayratiila Allahi marjiAAukum jameeAAan fayunabbi-okum bimakuntum feehi takhtalifoon “And We revealed to You, the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it in/from(mina) the Scripture(alkitabi) and AS A CRITERION(muhayminan) OVER IT.” the Quran is a measuring rod, the prophet Muhammad ((عليه السلام)) used it to judge by what Allah has revealed in the previous scriptures. “So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth.” notice its says “from the scripture” or “in the scripture” if the Quran came to confirm the previous scriptures as it is, it would say “And We have revealed to you, the Book in truth, confirming the scripture that preceded it.” But that is not the case. The Quran came to confirm the truth contained in the previous scriptures. Surah 5:50 “Then is it the judgement of [the time of] ignorance they desire? But who is better than Allah in judgement for a people who are certain [in faith].” Surah 5:17 “They have disbelieved who say that Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary. Say, "Then who could prevent Allah at all if He had intended to destroy the Messiah, the son of Mary, and his mother or everyone on the earth?" And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them. He creates what He wills, and Allah is over all things competent.” Laqad kafara allatheena qaloo inna Allaha huwa almaseehu ibnu maryama qul famanyamliku mina Allahi shay-an in arada an yuhlika almaseeha ibna maryama wa-ommahu waman fee al-ardijameeAAan walillahi mulku assamawati wal-ardi wama baynahuma yakhluqu mayashao wallahu AAala kulli shay-inqadeer Those who believe jesus is God are considered disbelievers not of the non-Muslim believing people of the book. surah 5:18 “And the Jews and the Christians say, "We are the sons of Allah and His beloved." Say, "Then why does He punish you for your sins?" Rather, you are human beings from among those He has created. He forgives whom He wills, and He punishes whom He wills. And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them, and to Him is the [final] destination.” Wa-qalati alyahoodu wan-nasara nahnu abnao Allahi wa-ahibbaohu qul falima yuAAaththibukum bithunoobikum bal antum basharun mimman khalaqa yaghfiru liman yashao wa-yuAAaththibu man yashao walillahi mulku assamawatiwal-ardi wama baynahuma wa-ilayhialmaseer Deuteronomy 8:5-6 “5You shall know in your heart, that just as a man chastises his son, so does the Lord, your God, chastise you. 6And you shall keep the commandments of the Lord your God, to go in His ways, and to fear Him.” Surah 5:72 They have disbelieved who say, " Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers. Laqad kafara allatheena qaloo inna Allaha huwa almaseehu ibnu maryama wa-qala almaseehu ya banee isra-eela oAAbudoo Allaharabbee wa-rabbakum innahu man yushrik billahi faqadharrama Allahu AAalayhi aljannata wamaA-wahu annaru wama lith-thalimeena min ansar Surah 5:73 They have disbelieved who say, " Allah is the third of three." And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment. Laqad kafara allatheena qaloo inna Allaha thalithu thalathatin wamamin ilahin illa ilahun wahidun wa-inlam yantahoo AAamma yaqooloona layamassanna allatheenakafaroo minhum AAathabun aleem the Trinitarians believe this without realising it and some do believe this but they arrogantly deny it. The Trinity is, the Father, the Son(jesus) and the Holy Spirit who share the same essence and are co-eqeual and co-eternal but are distinct but they are one. Now the fact they are DISTINCT from each other and share the same ESSENCE and are co-equal shows that there are three Gods. the Father is God Almighty, 1 Corinthians 8:6 “6yet for us there is but one God, THE FATHER, from whom all things came and for whom we live” no sign of the trinity at all; now the fact they share the same essence as the Father, who is God Almighty, and are DISTINCT shows that the trinitarians believe in three Gods, obviously when the trinitarians are faced with this they jump into other heresies and start being inconsistent. Trinitarians try to misinterpret many verses to fit in the trinity but fail to do so and enter into a another heresy. We can see many times in the gospels that jesus calling upon Allaha/the Father and prays to Him and says explicitly he has a God. Here are examples John 11:41-42 41So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up and said, “FATHER(Allaha), I THANK YOU(Allaha) THAT YOU(Allaha) HAVE HEARD ME(jesus). 42I KNEW THAT YOU(Allaha) ALWAYS HEAR ME(jesus), BUT I SAID THIS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PEOPLE STANDING HERE, THAT THEY MAY BELIEVE THAT YOU(Allaha) SENT ME(jesus).” John 20:17 17Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, TO MY God and your God.’ ” Even Paul(Saul) believed Jesus has a God although he believes Jesus is divine he saw him as being subordinate to the Father. Paul believed the Father is God almighty he did not believe in a trinity. Trinitarians try to use 2 Corinthians 13:14 to try an show that the trinity existed in Paul’s epistle, let’s examine the verse... 14May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. We can clearly see that Paul is distinguishing between Jesus Christ and the “love of God” and the Holy Spirit. Paul himself believed the holy spirit is a gift from God. 1 Thessalonians 4:8 ...the very God who gives you His holy spirit.” The question arises did Paul believe in a trinity or was he a dualist ? 1 Corinthians 8:6 “6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live” Paul makes it clear that “the Father” is God, not the Son nor the Holy Spirit. If Paul was a trinitarian he would say, “there is but one God, the Father the Son The Holy Spirit,...” Paul calls God “the Father” the same way Prophet Ezra, Daniel Jeremiah called God “Allah”. Ephesians 1:3 “3Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ” “Praise to be the God....of our lord Jesus Christ” Romans 15:6 6so that with one mind and one voice you may glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. ”you may glorify the God...of our lord Jesus Christ” We can clearly see that Paul is distinguishing God from Jesus and that Jesus has a God and that God is the father of Jesus. Colossians 1:3 “3We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ” The trinitarians are not seen as of those who are of the people of the book rather they are disbelievers. Jesus himself denies being God. John 10: 27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. As can be seen from John 10:28 and John 10:29 Jesus was telling the Jews that he and God share something in common, and it was: no one can pluck the faithful from either of their hands. This was the common factor between Jesus and God in this case, and not that Jesus was himself God, or that they were exactly the same. John 10:30 30I and the Father are one.” then the Jews took this part of out of context and started to stone him 31Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father(GOD). For which of these do you stone me?” Jesus at this point didn’t know why he was getting stoned even though he was carrying out God’s commands and purpose which are not blasphemous hence why he said “I have shown you many good works from the Father(God). And asked, “For which of these do you stone me?” Then Jews replied to him, 33“We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” Then jesus replies cleverly to their false accusation, 34Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “elohim” ? the Jews are radical monotheists, jesus quotes Psalms 82:6, jesus is challenging them by pointing out is “elohim” over here is to be taken literally or not ? If saying “I and the Father are one” is blasphemy then “I have said you are elohim” is also blasphemy. The Jews knew very well the it is not to be taken literally rather it is an expression, jesus was making it clear that “I and the Father are one” was just an expression meaning him and God are one in purpose , If Jesus was God or one literally with God then he wouldn’t have hesitated to clarify the matter at that point. then jesus takes advantage of Pslams 82:6 to make it clear to them that he is a Messenger of God. 35If he called them ‘elohim,’ to WHOM THE WORD OF GOD CAME—AND SCRIPTURE CANNOT BE SET ASIDE— 36what about the one whom the Father set apart as His very own [representative] and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am the son of Allaha’? 37Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. 38But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is united(i.e in purpose) with me, and I am united with the Father.” In verse 35 jesus crystal clearly points out that Pslams 82:6 is about God’s Messengers (Messengers receive divine scripture like David,Moses,job,Ezekiel,Enoch,Noah. Prophets of God don’t receive any divine scripture rather they confirm the truth contained within the scripture), then in verse 36,right after, jesus says,”WHAT ABOUT THE ONE WHOM THE FATHER(Allaha) SET APART AS HIS VERY OWN [REPRESENTATIVE] AND SENT IN TO THE WORLD?” Then jesus takes advantage of Psalms 82:6 that he used to refute their false accusation and says, “Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am the son of Allaha’? 37Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father.“ as Pslams 82:6 calls the Messengers of God “sons of the Most Hight(El Elyon)”. In verse 37 jesus makes it clear that he does these good work with not his own authority rather with God’s authority and Jesus tells them to not believe in him if he does these without God’s authority, Jesus was simply carrying out God’s commands and purpose. Which he makes clear in the next verse, “38But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is united with me, and I am united(i.e one in purpose) with the Father.” it is clear as daylight jesus was just a Messiah, Prophet, Messenger of God. Another incident where it shows Jesus is not God. Mark 10:17-18 17As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 18“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.” Jesus questions the questioner for calling him “Good teacher” then says to the questioner “No one is good except God alone” THEN jesus answers his Question. Jesus questions the questioners minor praise by calling him “Good” jesus didn’t want any sort of praise not even the least rather he wanted all praise to God hence why he said “no one is good except God alone” then after that Jesus answers his question ,which was what must he do to inherit eternal life, and says “19You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.’” 20“Teacher,” he declared, “all these I have kept since I was a boy.” 21Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” Jesus loved him when the boy said he has kept these this shows that Jesus did encourage to keep the commandments and also preached to keep as we can see in many occasions. Jesus having the knowledge of the Unseen does not show in any way, shape or from that Jesus is God, Prophet Jesus is no different to other prophets who had the knowledge of the unseen when they prophecies about future events or what will happen to a particular person. Jesus was asking the boy to follow him physically, again this in no way, shape or form does it show jesus is God; jesus told the boy to sell everything he had and then to come follow him. Even when jesus tells the people to follow him that in no way shows he is God, jesus is carrying out God’s purpose and commands and he has the knowledge to the door of salvation so when jesus tells other people to follow him he is telling them to follow his teaching which God is preaching through him just like the previous prophets and to take him as a role model just like the previous prophets. And it is God who gives jesus followers as we have shown before. And also notice the boy didn’t call jesus “Good teacher” the second time rather he only called him “teacher” the boy recognised that Jesus didn’t want any sort of praise at all period. surah 5:75 The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded. People saw jesus as a prophet of God and was introduced as one. Mathew 21:11 11The crowds answered, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.” Matthew 21:45-46 45When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus’ parables, they knew he was talking about them. 46They looked for a way to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowd because the people held that HE(Jesus) WAS A PROPHET. Luke 24:19 “About Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “He WAS A PROPHET, powerful in word and deed before Allaha and all the people. Luke 24:37-39 37They were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a ghost. 38He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds? 39Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I HAVE.” Surah 5:77 Say, "O People of the Scripture, do not exceed limits in your religion beyond the truth and do not follow the inclinations of a people who had gone astray before and misled many and have strayed from the soundness of the way." Qul ya ahla alkitabi lataghloo fee deenikum ghayra alhaqqi wala tattabiAAoo-ahwaa qawmin qad dalloo min qablu wa-adalloo-katheeran wadalloo AAan sawa-i assabeel the Paulines added many innovations in the gospels and teachings so did the trinitarians to the further extent of taking verses out of context and misinterpreting verses deliberately; so will they not go back to the truth and reconstruct the gospels. Surah 9:30 And the Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded? Wa qalati alyahoodu AAuzayrun ibnu Allahi wa qalati annasara almaseehu ibnu Allahi thalika qawluhum bi-afwahihim yudahi-oona qawla allatheena kafaroo min qablu qatalahumu Allahu anna yufakoon Jesus himself didn’t believe he was the literal son of God nor did he accept being called the son of God rather these terms in gospel(s) was added by Pauline authors who added these in gospels to put in their Hellenistic beliefs. Luke 4:41 “41Moreover, demons came out of many people, shouting, “You are the Son of God!” But he rebuked them and would not allow them to speak, because they knew he was the Messiah.” It is clear that Jesus rebuked them because they were calling him the literal son of God when deep down they knew he was the Messiah not the literal son of God as the verse clearly states. Jesus was already preaching and healing so demons and later on the Pharisees are trying their hardest to give a accusation in order to get him executed so Jesus was constantly explaining himself and being clever with his preaching. Verse 43 jesus explicitly says he must go preach the the good news of the covenant of God and in verse 42 people are tying to make him stay. So in short Jesus was already preaching and he had to face false accusations from the demons then later on the teachers of the law and the Pharisees. Surah 9:31 They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah, and [also] the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him. Jesus came to confirm the Law which stressed a lot on Monotheism. And exposed those who added to God’s law yet the rabbbi’s added to the law and the Jews took their opinion instead of God’s law as if the rabbi’s were lord’s beside Allah and likewise with the Christians taking the innovations of their church fathers and neglecting God’s law as if they are equal to God. The Paulines claim jesus is to be the son of God when they weren’t commanded such thing and is blasphemous. Exodus 20:3-5 “You shall have no other gods upon My face. You shall not make for yourselves a graven image or any LIKENESS which is in the heavens above, which is on the earth below, or which is in the water beneath the earth. You shall neither prostrate yourself before them nor worship them, for I, the Lord your God, am a zealous God, who visits the iniquity of the father’s upon the sons, upon the third and the fourth generation of those who hate Me...” “You shall have no other gods upon My Face” it’s clear that Allah commanded not to associate anyone with Him. And to worship Him alone. Deuteronomy 6:4 “4Hear, O Israel: The Lord is our God; the Lord is one.” Mathew 5:17 17“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Matthew 5:19-20 19Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. Mark 12:28-29 28One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?” 29“The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Matthew 7:24-27 24“Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.” surah 19:88-95 And they say, "The Most Merciful has taken [for Himself] a son." You have done an atrocious thing. The heavens almost rupture therefrom and the earth splits open and the mountains collapse in devastation That they attribute to the Most Merciful a son.And it is not appropriate for the Most Merciful that He should take a son. There is no one in the heavens and earth but that he comes to the Most Merciful as a servant. He has enumerated them and counted them a [full] counting.And all of them are coming to Him on the Day of Resurrection alone. The adoptionist Nostorians believed that God has adopted Jesus son of Mary. This is blasphemous since adopting is an attribute that strictly belongs to the animal kingdom and to humans and does not befit the Divine since He created these laws within nature. Surah 3:23 Do you not consider, [O Muhammad], those who were given A PORTION FROM the Scripture? They are invited to the Scripture of Allah that it should arbitrate between them; then a party of them turns away, and they are refusing. Alam tara ila allatheena ootoo-naseeban mina alkitabi yudAAawna ila kitabiAllahi liyahkuma baynahum thumma yatawallafareequn minhum wahum muAAridoon the jews only have portion of God’s word in the Tanakh and the Christians only have a portion on God’s Word being conveyed in their bible as it is. Surah 9:75 Do you covet [the hope, O believers], that they would believe for you while a party of them used to hear the word(i.e the Torah) of Allah and then ALTER IT after they had understood it while they were knowing? AfatatmaAAoona an yu-minoo lakum waqad kana fareequn minhum yasmaAAoona kalama Allahi thumma yuharrifoonahu min baAAdi ma AAaqaloohuwahum yaAAlamoon The Jews after they had understood God’s word (I.e the Torah and prophetic writings) they altered it thus they have only a portion of God’s word with them today. Surah 9:78 And among them are unlettered ones who do not know the Scripture except in wishful thinking, but they are only assuming. Wa-minhum ommiyyoona la yaAAlamoona alkitaba illa amaniyya wa-in hum illayathunnoon Ironically the Christians fall into this category the most. Surah 9:79 So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allah," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn. Fawaylun lillatheena yaktuboona alkitaba bi-aydeehim thumma yaqooloona hatha min AAindi Allahi liyashtaroo bihi thamanan qaleelan fa-waylun lahum mimmakatabat aydeehim wa-waylun lahum mimma yaksiboon the jews are guily of this and especially the Christians. 1st level the Pauline author of the gospels have added their own words and removed some to put in their Hellenistic beliefs 2nd level the trinitarians have also altred the partially altered gospel(s) we can see that in my post “Doctrine of the trinity refuted”. The following excerpts come from a slightly unaltered version of gospel according to Matthew that were probably copied from the original manuscript written by Matthew; which is now lost and cannot be found. Thus Eusebius informs us of the actual words Jesus spoke to his disciples in Matthew 28:19. “With one word and voice He said to His disciples: “Go, and make disciples of all nations in My Name, teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you,” — (Proof of the Gospel by Eusebius, Book III, ch 6, 132 (a), p. 152) Who said to them; “Make disciples of all the nations in my Name.” — (Eusebius, Proof of the Gospel, Book III, Chapter 7, 138 (c), p. 159) In Book III of his History, Chapter 5, Section 2, which is about the Jewish persecution of early Christians, we read, “relying upon the power of Christ, who had said to them, “Go ye and make disciples of all the nations in my name.” And in his Oration in Praise of Emperor Constantine, Chapter 16, Section 8, we read, “Surely none save our only Savior has done this, when, after his victory over death, he spoke the word to his followers, and fulfilled it by the event, saying to them, “Go ye and make disciples of all nations in my name.” “I saw that God had especially guarded the Bible; yet when copies of it were few, learned MEN HAD IN SOME INSTANCES CHANGED THE WORDS, thinking that they were making it more plain, when in reality they were mystifying that which was plain, BY CAUSING IT TO LEAN TO THIER ESTABLISHED VIEWS, WHICH WERE GOVEREND BY TRADITION.” — (E.G. White, EW, 220.2, 1882) this is is sufficient proof that alterations took place even after the first major one. All alterations were taken place for theological and political reasons. 3rd level, Paulines try to include epistles as the word of God. This is nothing but a desperate attempt. Epistles are not scripture they are letters and sermons. The gospels are not scripture aswell rather it is a biography of jesus.
  13. You are dead wrong. Allah is passing His guardianship to the prophet and then to a another person. Allah says he is the wali and guides people from darkness to light. Wali over here is “gurdian” “Allah is the guardian of those who believe ; He brings them out of darkness [and takes them] in to light.” Quran chapter 2 verse 257 “Allahu waliyyu(guardian) allatheena amanoo yukhrijuhum mina aththulumati ila-annoori” So when verse 5:55 says “Indeed your wali is Allah and His messager and those who believe who give charity while they bow” Innama waliyyukumu Allahu wa-rasooluhu wallatheena amanoo allatheena yuqeemoona assalata wa-yutoona azzakata-wahum rakiAAoon Allah is passing on His gurdianship to the prophet then it gets passed on another person, “those who believe WHO GIVE CHARITY(Zakat) WHILE THEY(wahum) BOW(rakiAAoon)” In verse 51 Allah is telling us not to take Jews and the Christians as gurdians then in verse 55 Allah tells us who are our guardians so we are to take them as gurdians. Allah addresses the third person as “those who believe” Allah is using “those” as a plural of royalty/exaltation. Then it says “who believe”. this is a reference to imam Ali, Allah is using this terminology as reference to imam Ali. Sunni documents agree that at least 300 verses of Qur’an directly revealed on the honor of Imam ‘Ali. (reported by Ibn Asakir, al-Suyuti, Ibn Hajar, etc.) Beside that that, Ibn Abbas said: "There is no verse in Qur’an in which the term ‘Believers’, unless ‘Ali is at the top of them and the chief of them and the more virtuous one among them. Surely Allah has admonished the companions of Muhammad (S) in Qur’an, but He did not refer to ‘Ali except with honor." Sunni references: - Fadha’il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v2, p654, tradition #1114 - al-Riyadh al-Nadhirah, by Muhibbuddin al-Tabari, v3, p229 - Tarikh al-Khulafaa, by al-Hafidh Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, p171 - Dhakha’ir al-Uqba, by Muhibbuddin al-Tabari, p89 - al-Sawa’iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar Haythami, Ch. 9, section 3, p196 - Others such as Tabarani and Ibn Abi Hatam Sunni references even show that surah 5: verse 55 is about imam Ali ((عليه السلام)). Sunni tasfir on Quran 5:55 1-Tafsir al-Kabir, by Ahmad Ibn Muhammad Al-Tha’labi, under verse 5:55 2-Tafsir al-Kabir, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, v6, pp186,288-289 3-Tafsir jamiul Hukam al-Qur’an, by Muhammad Ibn Ahmad Qurtubi, v6, p219 4-Tafsir al-Khazin, v2, p68 5-Tafsir al-Durr al-manthoor, by al-Suyuti, v2, pp293-294 6-Tafsir al-Kashshaf, by al-Zamakhshari, (Egypt 1373), v1,pp505,649 7-Asbab al-Nuzool, by Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, (Egypt 1382), v1, p73, on the authority of Ibn Abbas 8-Asbab al-Nuzool, by al-wahidi, on the authority of Ibn Abbas 9-Sharh al-Tjrid,by Allama Qushji 10-Ahkam al-Qur’an, al-Jassas, v2, p542-543 11-Musnad Ahmad Ibn hanbal, v5, p38 12-Kanzul ummal, by al-Muttaqi, al-Hindi, v6, p391, tradition 5991 13-Al-Awaat, by Tabarani, narrated from Ammar Yassir 14-Ibn mardawayh, on the authority of Ibn Abbas surah 5:56 ”whoever takes [for guardianship] Allah and His messanger and those who believe, Indeed the party of Allah; they are the triumphant” Waman yatawalla Allaha warasoolahu wallatheenaamanoo fa-inna hizba Allahi humu alghaliboon
  14. Didn’t say Quran is rubbish but then translation he is using is rubbish. wait for a surprise.
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