Ibn Murtuz

But Shias in this forum themselves criticized this documentary. How can we know what is written exactly?

Source: Kashf al Asrar Comment: This is accusing the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم of having flaws in his dawah and not preaching the message in accordance to what Allah commanded him and not putting enough effort.

Twelver Shias believe that the Lutf of Allah (Grace) is concerning the divine appointment of an Imam, and it is an obligation on Allah. Twelvers explain their belief in Lutf by saying: “We believe that Lutf is obligatory upon Allah because he wishes the obedience of his slaves, and he hates their disobedience. So if Allah knew that his slaves would follow in obedience and avoid disobedience if an Imam is appointed, then the Will of appointing an Imam is necessary for his Will of their obedience, because Willing something is also Willing what can help achieve it. That is the meaning we believe in when we say Obligatory upon Allah.” Let us quote in support of the above, the famous Shia website “al-islam.org”, in which they say: Lutf is the action on part of God which would help to bring His creatures nearer to His devotion and‑obedience, and facilitate moral correction. It must be mentioned here that “Allah has ordered us to be just, but He Himself treats us with something better than justice, names tafaddul‑grace.” (Tafaddul has same meaning as lutf.) The belief that lutf is morally incumbent upon God is the distinctive belief of the Shi’ah Ithna­’Asharis. The Sunnis do not believe that lutf is in­cumbent upon God. Link: ‘Adl-ilahi You can see other quotes regarding Twelver belief of “Lutf” from other twelver sources Link: Leadership and Infallibility Link: Aqaed-Imamah But there are texts found within the main Shia book called Nahjul-Balagha and these texts that they attribute to Imam `Ali ibn abi Talib (رضي الله عنه) destroy the Shia theory of Lutf (grace) and that it is obligatory upon Allah. In these Shia texts, it is written that `Ali ibn abi Talib (رضي الله عنه) mentions things that Allah did not do although doing them would have brought the slaves closer to his obedience and faster to the acceptance of the message. The first thing: In the location of al-Ka`bah if it was filled with jewels and rubies it would have made it easier for the slaves to accept the message and submit. “If Allah, the Glorified, had placed His sacred House and His great signs among plantations, streams, soft and level plains, plenty of trees, an abundance of fruits, a thick population, close habitats, golden wheat, lush gardens, green land, watered plains, thriving orchards and crowded streets, the amount of recompense would have decreased because of the lightness of the trial. If the foundation on which the House is borne and the stones with which it has been raised had been of green emerald and red rubies, and there had been brightness and effulgence, then this would have lessened the action of doubts in the breasts, would have dismissed the effect of Satan’s activity from the hearts, and would have stopped the surging of misgivings in people.” Source: Nahjul-Balagha – Sermon 191 Known as “al-Khutbah al-Qasi`ah” (Sermon of Disparagement). The second thing: If Allah were to create Adam (عليه السلام) from light instead of creating him from clay then accepting his superiority would have been easier. Then He put His angels on trial concerning these attributes in order to distinguish those who are modest from those who are vain. Therefore, Allah, who is aware of whatever is hidden in the hearts and whatever lies behind the unseen said: . . . “Verily I am about to create man from clay,” And when I have completed and have breathed into him of My spirit, then fall ye prostrating in obeisance unto him. And did fall prostrating in obeisance the angels all together, Save lblis;… (Qur’an. 38:71-74) His vanity stood in his way. Consequently, he felt proud over Adam by virtue of his creation and boasted over him on account of his origin. Thus, this enemy of Allah is the leader of those who boast, and the fore-runner of the vain. It is he who laid the foundation of factionalism, quarreled with Allah about the robe of greatness, put on the dress of haughtiness and took off the covering of humility. Do you not see how Allah made him low on account of his vanity and humiliated him for his feigning to be high? He discarded him in this world and provided for him burning fire in the next world. If Allah had wanted to create Adam from a light whose glare would have dazzled the eyes, whose handsomeness would have amazed the wits and whose smell would have caught the breath, He could have done so; and if He had done so, people would have bowed to him in humility and the trial of the angels through him would have become easier. Source: Nahjul-Balagha – Sermon 191 Known as “al-Khutbah al-Qasi`ah” (Sermon of Disparagement). The third thing: Giving the prophets kingdoms and power and treasures and leadership makes the people accept them and believe them. “If the prophets possessed authority that could not be assaulted, or honour that could not be damaged or domain towards which the necks of people would turn and the saddles of mounts could be set, it would have been very easy for people to seek lessons and quite difficult to feel vanity. They would have then accepted belief out of fear felt by them or inclination attracting them, and the intention of them all would have been the same, although their actions would have been different.” Source: Nahjul-Balagha – Sermon 191 Known as “al-Khutbah al-Qasi`ah” (Sermon of Disparagement).

I want to give an example: If you clean your window so that the sun can shine through it more clearly, you are not causing a change in the light but rather in the window.

This is a very bad way of "finding the correct opinion", because how can you know what Sunnis say is false or true? Hur al-Amili is a major Shia Scholar, who is the author of Wasail al-Shia and other major books. He writes in his book ‘al-Ithna Ashariya’ Eleventh Chapter : Regarding the impermissibility of Husn ad-Dhan regarding Sunnis and following their ways specific to them, and it is proven by twelve points. al-Ithna Ashariya, p. 197 Then he mentions all the points one by one. The last point is very interesting. Twelfth point : Ibn Babuyah has narrated in Uyoon al-Akhbar from Imam Reza that it was said to him : An issue arises from which there is no escape and there is no Shia scholar in the city so that it can be asked from him. He said : If it is so, then go to the Qadhi of the city and whatever he says, take the opposite of it because in its opposition is guidance. al-Ithna Ashariya, p. 199, 200

Allah’s ability to determine encompassing all possibilities in time-space is timeless Allah’s ability to actualise encompassing anything he wills in time-space is timeless Allah’s determination of things in time-space is timeless Allah’s actualisation of things in time-space is temporal Do Shias agree with this?

@Ashvazdanghe @ShiaChat Mod https://animalpickings.com/do-female-rabbits-have-periods/ "Rabbits don’t menstruate because they are induced ovulators." Sheep, Goat, Cattle, Horse ovulate too, are you guys now gonna say their meat is haram?

First verse revealed is 96:1. When I wrote "Twelver Shias doubt arrangement the verses of todays Quran." I meant the arrangement the verses of Quran we have today is what Twelver Shias doubt, but we Sunnis believe that it should be arranged like that, since Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم ordered the places and arrangement of the verses what we have today.

@Cool My question is if Muhammad and Jesus is an Imam according to Twelvers, and Imamah is higher than Messengership, then what to with these Quranic verses? Quran 3:144: ‏وَمَا مُحَمَّدٌ إِلَّا رَسُولٌۭ قَدْ خَلَتْ مِن قَبْلِهِ ٱلرُّسُلُ ۚ أَفَإِي۟ن مَّاتَ أَوْ قُتِلَ ٱنقَلَبْتُمْ عَلَىٰٓ أَعْقَبِكُمْ ۚ وَمَن يَنقَلِبْ عَلَىٰ عَقِبَيْهِ فَلَن يَضُرَّ ٱللَّهَ شَيْـًۭٔا ۗ وَسَيَجْزِى ٱللَّهُ ٱلشَّكِرِينَ ‎ (Muḥammad is no more than a messenger; other messengers have gone before him. If he were to die or to be killed, would you regress into disbelief? Those who do so will not harm Allah whatsoever. And Allah will reward those who are grateful.) Quran 5:75: مَّا ٱلْمَسِيحُ ٱبْنُ مَرْيَمَ إِلَّا رَسُولٌۭ قَدْ خَلَتْ مِن قَبْلِهِ ٱلرُّسُلُ وَأُمُّهُۥ صِدِّيقَةٌۭ ۖ كَانَا يَأْكُلَانِ ٱلطَّعَامَ ۗ ٱنظُرْ كَيْفَ نُبَيِّنُ لَهُمُ ٱلْءَايَتِ ثُمَّ ٱنظُرْ أَنَّىٰ يُؤْفَكُونَ ‎ (The Messiah, son of Mary, was no more than a messenger. ˹Many˺ messengers had ˹come and˺ gone before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They both ate food. See how We make the signs clear to them, yet see how they are deluded ˹from the truth˺!)

Twelver Shias doubt arrangement the verses of todays Quran. They say since Uthman was the head of this process, we cannot know which verse should come after which verse. In reality, it was actually Prophet Muhammad who ordered the places and arrangement of the verses. More details here: https://muslimanswers.net/2012/11/03/draft-article-arrangement-of-the-quran-and-twelver-shiaism/ Since you doubt it, how do you know Hud, Salih and Shuʿayb are Messengers, if you do not believe in arrangement of Quran? How do you know 26:178 should be after 26:177, 26:143 should be after 26:142 and 26:125 should be after 26:124?

Shia Twelvers claim that there is a position higher than Rasul/Messengership, and that is Imamah. They also claim Muhammad and Jesus had a higher position than Messengership, and that is Imamah. But we see that this contradicts with what is in Quran. Quran 3:144: ‏وَمَا مُحَمَّدٌ إِلَّا رَسُولٌۭ قَدْ خَلَتْ مِن قَبْلِهِ ٱلرُّسُلُ ۚ أَفَإِي۟ن مَّاتَ أَوْ قُتِلَ ٱنقَلَبْتُمْ عَلَىٰٓ أَعْقَبِكُمْ ۚ وَمَن يَنقَلِبْ عَلَىٰ عَقِبَيْهِ فَلَن يَضُرَّ ٱللَّهَ شَيْـًۭٔا ۗ وَسَيَجْزِى ٱللَّهُ ٱلشَّكِرِينَ ‎ (Muḥammad is no more than a messenger; other messengers have gone before him. If he were to die or to be killed, would you regress into disbelief? Those who do so will not harm Allah whatsoever. And Allah will reward those who are grateful.) Quran 5:75: مَّا ٱلْمَسِيحُ ٱبْنُ مَرْيَمَ إِلَّا رَسُولٌۭ قَدْ خَلَتْ مِن قَبْلِهِ ٱلرُّسُلُ وَأُمُّهُۥ صِدِّيقَةٌۭ ۖ كَانَا يَأْكُلَانِ ٱلطَّعَامَ ۗ ٱنظُرْ كَيْفَ نُبَيِّنُ لَهُمُ ٱلْءَايَتِ ثُمَّ ٱنظُرْ أَنَّىٰ يُؤْفَكُونَ ‎ (The Messiah, son of Mary, was no more than a messenger. ˹Many˺ messengers had ˹come and˺ gone before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They both ate food. See how We make the signs clear to them, yet see how they are deluded ˹from the truth˺!)

@Ashvazdanghe You forget the "rabbit mensturates" hadith. It's unscientific because rabbits don't mensturate. You still haven't answered my last answer in that thread

@ShiaMan14 If you read from here to all the things discussed till now, you will see what I am objecting to.

What about the Attribute of Essence, Power? The Divine Power has to do with existence or non-existence of any other living being. My intention is not that. Im not trying to convert any fe'l as His essence. Im saying there is flaw in saying: "Attributes of Essence and the Essence are same"