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Dave follower of The Way

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  1. Hi There - I wonder if all these instructions you give about meditaion and Zhikr will work? I'm not condoning same sex attraction or trying to make a judgement on what its source is, but if this is part of who someone is, the way God has made them, are we asking the imposible when we give 'methods' for people to change? There is a famous saying "can a leopard change its spots?" Guest's post hasn't mentioned the role that God plays in a person's engagement with struggles and personal issues at all. I believe, and have found, that asking God for help and allowing God to work in my life through the power of his Holy Spirit has enabled me to face alsorts of temptation and to be victorious. Jesus the Messiah said "I will give you the Spirit of Truth who will guide you into all truth". Call to God asking for his Spirit of truth and holiness to come and live in your life. He will then work in you to help you know what is good, right and wholesome and give you the strength to say "No" to things (whether in the area of sexual attraction or in other areas) which are unhelpful or distructive.
  2. It's interesting how this thread has changed from looking at the 'glorification' of white converts to a discussion about racism and prejudice in the Muslim communities you represent. As I am not a member of a Muslim community, I can't give an insider view. However, I have lived in Muslim majority countries and have always felt welcomed and accepted. Maybe once or twice I have experienced 'prejudice', maybe, because I'm not a Muslim but I understand that position. My understanding of a faith community is that it should be grounded on love and acceptence. Jesus the Messiah said "love one another just as I have loved you". Jesus' love for us is unconditional without regard to skin colour, gender, social status or religious heritage. My understanding of the Ummah of Muslims is similar. Unfortunately these ideals don't always work out in practice, neither in the Christian community or, it would seem from this thread, in Muslim communities. I need to contue to ask God to pour his love into my life so it overflows uncondionaly to whoever I meet and engage with whether inside or outside my community of faith.
  3. Hi there I'm interested in this discussion. I never realised that Muslim people call on God using the name of Ali or Muhammed. From reading what has been written, and excuse me if I have missunderstood, even when these human names are used it is as if God is being addressed. The comments in these posts seem to be explaining how this can happen and how it works. We know that we can only pray to God. No one else is worthy of our prayers or can listen to them and respond to them approrpiately. So when other 'names' are used, however 'pure' the human person they refer to is, some explination needs to be given. Using the name of a human, even one who expresses the characteristcs of God (we have to say dimmly), seems inappropriate. Even if we consider them to be 'alive' they can not stand in God's place. It is interesting that the example of Jesus the Messiah has been brought into this discussion. In the Trustworthy Injil John records the very words of Jesus the Messiah in chapter 14 12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it. Jesus the Messiah is telling his followers to use his name in prayer. There is no explination - just do it. Jesus is clear in other places that the person we pray to is God and that it is God who hears and answers prayer. So what is he doing here? I would suggest that he is saying that using the name of Jesus in prayer is not a way to use a human name to address God, but using the very name of God to address God himself. We are presenting our prayers directly to God because of the person, character and work of Jesus the Messiah. The Name of Jesus the Messiah is like a personal invitaion to enter God's throne room. God doesn't look on us and whether we have the criteria to enter, rather he looks at Jesus the Messiah who has given us access - the invitaion - which was achieved by his life, death and resurrection. Here we have a mystery but one which has governed and empowered Christian prayer ever since these first followers.
  4. Sorry to be thick! I saw the theme as "Asking from Allah" AKA "Prayer" When God reveals his name ism isn't he telling us something about his self zat? How can we know who we are praying to / asking from unless he reveals himself? So God discloses his character (zat) by telling us his names (ism). Islam talks about the "most beautiful names" of God and within the Hebrew Bible and the Injil there are hundreds of names which God has revealed. I was thinking this morning about one of these names "El Shaddai" often translated into English as "God Almighty" and may have the conotation of the One who is self safficient and able to provide for his people. What an amazing ism to hold in my mind as a talk with God knowing that his zat is to provide and protect with all his infinite might.
  5. An interesting comment comparing the Qur'an with Jesus the Messiah as The Word of God If God is a communicating and speaking God - If that is part of his character then he can not stop communicating or he would cease to be who he is. There could never have been a time when communication or "The Word of God" was not intigral to God's very being. Kalimatullah are integral to God - it is clear in the Injil that when Jesus the Messiah is refered to as "The Word of God" we are seeing an explination of the integral nature of Jesus the Messiah and the One God, creator and sustaniner (by His Word) of the universe. The Trustworthy Injil John Chapter 1 says In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. ..... 14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. May God's words lighten our path.
  6. @Cool Hi There you asked for a non-shia to respond - so here I am a follower of Jesus the Messiah! Reading through this thread I'm afraid I can't understand your problem. Does God worry what 'name' or 'word' we use to address him when we pray? Obviously we will not use a curse or a demeaning word or name. My understanding of God is that he is longing for his creation to call to him. He is ready and waiting to listen to our prayers, to enter into relationship with him. Is God going to say "Go away! I'm not listening to you - You didn't address me correctly!" What kind of God is that? It is not the God I know and love and who loves me with his infine loving kindness. The One God hears and answers our prayers as we direct our thoughts towards him. The prophet Isaiah (Chapter 65:24) reports the very words of God: "Before they call I will answer; while they are still speaking I will hear." Jesus the Messiah in his discorse about prayer says (Matthew chapter 6:8) "your Father knows what you need before you ask him." I'm sorry if I have missed the point of your question!
  7. This is really helpful. Yes, prayer is not about "getting it done". It is about taking time. As a Follower of Jesus, I see prayer as spending time with a friend. My neighbour just knocked at the door. Did I send him away as quickly as possible? No, we stood together and talked for half an hour. We shared life experences and challenging thoughts. I asked his opinion and shared mine. Prayer too, is time with a friend; an opportunity during the day to rest and be still in God's presence, allowing his Spirit to speak to my heart with words of comfort, challenge or guidence. I know, unlike my neighbour, when I say 'Amen' ('good bye' if you like!!) God doesn't leave me. He continues to journey with me on the marathon of life. My next prayer encouter with him will again be rich and deep. An ever growing, ever deepening relationship with my Lord who is my shepherd, my ever present help in time of trouble, and my rock and fortress when I am afraid.
  8. This reminds me of the so called "Prayer of St. Francis" Lord, make me an instrument of your peace; where there is hatred, let me sow love; where there is injury, pardon; where there is doubt, faith; where there is despair, hope; where there is darkness, light; and where there is sadness, joy. O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console; to be understood, as to understand; to be loved, as to love; for it is in giving that we receive, it is in pardoning that we are pardoned, and it is in dying that we are born to Eternal Life. Amen. ent of your peace; where there is hatred, let me sow love; where there is injury, pardon; where there is doubt, faith; where there is despair, hope; where there is darkness, light; and where there is sadness, joy. O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console; to be understood, as to understand; to be loved, as to love; for it is in giving that we receive, it is in pardoning that we are pardoned, and it is in dying that we are born to Eternal Life. Amen. Read more at: https://www.lords-prayer-words.com/famous_prayers/make_me_a_channel_of_your_peace_lyrics.html
  9. @Mark Enlightment thanks for your insights. You seem to be saying that there is something inside us which is "God consciousness" whether we know it or acknowledge it or not. Although some of what you say makes it look like some people would say it is an "Islamic consciousness". The worss of the prophet Soloman recorded in the Holy Zebur Ecclesiastes chapter 311 God has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the human heart. Maybe the question we need to ask is how do we bring our "God consciousness" to life? As we sense the "eternity" in our hearts how do we fill it? Is there a clue in the words of Jesus the Messiah faithfully recorded by his friend John? "I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; and whoever lives by believing in me will never die." The emptiness of our unfulfilled God consciousness can only really be satisfied and brought to life through an encounter with Jeuss the Messiah. That encouter can bring real life which is satisfying and eternal.
  10. I think that there is always a tendency to 'glorify' converts. They can be seen as a trophy. "Look what we won from the 'opposition'" kind of attitude. The important thing is the long haul. Are they still on the journey one year, five years, ten years on? What do we do to help people in the transition from one faith to another? When I see someone's life transformed through meeting God through Jesus the Messiah, I have a responsibility to walk with them, alongside and available. Hearing their struggles and joining in their joys.
  11. The important question in this discussion is about idenity. Where do we find our true and fullfilling idenity? Is it in marriage (same sex or different sex)? Is it in sex? Is it in singelness? Is it in doing religious actions? Is it in our job? Is it in our community and family? All these things give us an idenity of sorts, but true idenity which gives peace and satisfaction in our inner being can only be found in God. God made people to reflect his being and so our true idenity can only be found when we stand before him and receive his love and acceptence. The great thing about God's love and acceptence is that it is unconditional. It doesn't depend on whether we are guy or streight, married or single. Knowing and experienceing God's love enables us to deal with our inner desires and feelings in an appropriate way finding ultimate fulfilment in God.
  12. Hi There I hope you don't mind me making a comment as a Follower of Jesus the Messiah. There is much we can share as we face similar challenges of faith. I rejoice that God accepts us for who we are and as we are. Our identity is not in what we do, or don't do, but in the fact that we are his creation made in his image and invited into his family as a beloved child. Rest in that fact and call out to God as to a loving caring parent who is ready to pick you up in his strong caring arms (metaphorically) irrespective of the mud and dirt on your clothes. Zebur Psalm 113 Who is like the Lord our God, the One who sits enthroned on high, 6 who stoops down to look on the heavens and the earth? 7 He raises the poor from the dust and lifts the needy from the ash heap I would suggest that knowing God loves you does far more good than harm. Rather than making you lazy and complacent, it makes you rejoice and serve him with a full and thankful heart. What an amazing testimony you have of perseverence and patience. When God seems far away it is not because he he absent it is because he is so close you are surounded by him. When you look at the life of Jesus the Messiah as recorded in the Trustworthy Injil, you see how God reaches out to all, particularly those who know their need of him. Jesus the Messiah said "it is not the well that need a doctor but the sick". He called out "Blessed are the poor in spirit for they are part of God's kingdom"
  13. When I read the Hebrew Bible, the Trustworthy Injil and the Noble Qur'an, I see common stories. Stories of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses and other prophets of our faiths. How does our common story link Jews, Christians and Muslims? What does it mean that the Christian story includes Jesus the Messiah as an addition to the Hebrew Bible. What does it mean that The Islamic story acknowledges Jesus the Messiah and also has stories found in the Hadith of The Prophet of Islam and his companions. How much does the common story and mettanarative enable us to learn together about God? What aspects of this common story show us how to become close to God who revealed himself to our father Abraham as the one who seeks to bless the nations of the world? Genesis 12 The Lord said to Abram, ‘Go from your country, your people and your father’s household to the land I will show you. 2 ‘I will make you into a great nation, and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing.[a] 3 I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.
  14. Brorther Meedy thank you for your contribution. I really relate to what you say. It is hard to find rest while we are working to accomplish something that seems so beyond us - God's demands. Your other comment reminds me of a North African Christian Augustine who lived in the 4th century CE he said “You have made us for yourself, O Lord, and our heart is restless until it rests in you.” @Abu Nur It is my joy too to have found rest like Abraham did in the For me my rest is a present reality based on a sure hope of acceptence on the Day of Retribution. A rest which enables me to face the challenges of this world, as Abraham did. And to journey with God towards the maturity he is working to perfect in my life.
  15. Today as I spent time with God, he talked to me about “rest”. He reminded me of the verses in the Hebrew Bible which affirm that true rest is found in God alone. The prophet David passes on to us God’s promises Zebur / Psalm 62 5 Yes, my soul, find rest in God; my hope comes from him. 6 Truly he is my rock and my salvation; he is my fortress, I shall not be shaken. Zebur / Psalm 91 1 Whoever dwells in the shelter of the Most High, will rest in the shadow of the Almighty. 2 I will say of the Lord, ‘He is my refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust.’ Later prophets confirm these words of Almighty God Isaiah 30:15 This is what the Sovereign Lord, the Holy One of Israel, says: ‘In repentance and rest is your salvation, in quietness and trust is your strength, Jeremiah 6:16 This is what the Lord says: ‘Stand at the crossroads and look; ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it, and you will find rest for your souls. Jesus the Messiah took these words and applied them to himself. In the Holy and Trustworthy Injil we read the very words of Jesus recorded by Matthew his friend. Matthew 1128 ‘Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.’ There is also this idea in the Qur’an Ar Ra’d 13:28 Who have believed and whose hearts have rest in the remembrance of Allah. Verily in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find rest! When you think or God and your faith, where do you find rest? How does your relationship God bring rest to your soul?
  16. When I look at sura 112 it makes me think of words which God revealed through the prophet in the Hebrew Bible Prophet Isaiah speaking out God's words says Isaiah chapter 46:9 Remember the things I have done in the past. For I alone am God! I am God, and there is none like me. These are such powerful words calling us to worship only God the creator and redeemer of his people. No one else is worthy of worship or alligence. This is the God I worship - the ONE who is incomparable.
  17. Hi There Thanks for this helpful comment describing salvation as And linking it to the Beatitudes in The Trustworthy Injil Matthew chapter 5:3-12 and the Qur'an verses 2:2-5 This has been a good for me as it has made me look again at the teaching of Jesus the Messiah. Joshuah, your refered to these verses I assume you have read them and thought about how they impact life. Qur'an 2:2-5 give guidence about things people must do Believe in the unseen (God? Angels? the spirit world?) Pray regularly Give to charity and don't get into debt Believe in (accept) the Qur'an and the previous books - Torah, Zebur, Injil (making no difference between them) Being certain of life after death - The hereafter The beatitudes look at attitudes Poor in spirit - recognising our weakness before God Those who mourn - over the state of the world? our own state? Meakness or humility Wanting (working for?) righteousness and justice Showing mercy Having a pure heart Workers for peace Those who suffer for God's sake It is a good thing to measure ourselves by these standards. Some days I will take a beatitude and think about it all day asking myself in each action or word whther I'm living in acordance to this standard. When I do this I am drawn back to God and call on him for help. Praise his name, he is always there ready to help and to save. Maybe that is one aspect of salvation.
  18. There is neither might nor power except with God. Amen! Yes I agree with this. The Holy and Trustworthy Injil records these words describing God (Romans 11) 33 Oh, how great are God’s riches and wisdom and knowledge! How impossible it is for us to understand his decisions and his ways! 34 For who can know the Lord’s thoughts? Who knows enough to give him advice? 35 And who has given him so much that he needs to pay it back? 36 For everything comes from him and exists by his power and is intended for his glory. All glory to him forever! Amen. Where else can I go for power to live a holy and upright life? Who else would I want as a companion on life's journey?
  19. @Abdul Rahim al-Hasan Thank you for pasting these sayings about Isa al Mesih. It seems to me that by posting this you are avoiding engaging with the verses I quoted from the Trustworthy and Holy Injil. These words revealed by God to someone who heard the teaching of Isa and who faithfully passed it on. Words that were approved and confirmed by people who were contempories of Isa. Words which God gave and which in his power has watched over and protected. Words writen in the 1st century CE. I have no idea where your quotes come from who they were writen by or when they were written. One thing I can be sure of they were not witten or avilable in the 1st Century CE. I therefore have doubts about their reliability. Please, rather than avoiding the issue, respond to the words about Light and Darkness recorded in the Holy Injil. We need to ask ourselves "Are we living and standing in the Light (Nur) of God?" "Have we let God's LIght shine in every courner of our lives and hearts?"
  20. Hey Joshua you are so right The oneness of God is basic to living a moral and upright life - we only have One God to give us guidance and standards to live by. There is no competition. There is one path to one God. As you say God in his mercy has shown us the way through the scriptures. The words of the prophets are a guide they point not just to the oneness of God but, more importantly, to what God will do. Knowing there is one God and turning (returning?) to him in worship is not enough. You talk about salvation - what do you have in mind? More than our worship God wants to have a close intimate relationship with us. To be our friend to adopt us into his family so we can become his children. This is salvation. Salvation from the selfish kingdom of our hearts and our wills into the kingdom of God where he rules and lives with us and in us so his will is done in our lives and circumstances as in heaven.
  21. Yes we hear our fitra so often we want to follow its promptings but fail. I have tried many times to keep my heart clean but it doean't last long. A follower of Jesus the Messiah said about this struggle (read about it in the Holy Injil Romans chapter 7) I don’t really understand myself, for I want to do what is right, but I don’t do it. Instead, I do what I hate. I want to do what is right, but I can’t. I want to do what is good, but I don’t. I don’t want to do what is wrong, but I do it anyway. Who will free me from this life that is dominated by sin and death? This is a question I ask too and the writer of Romans in the Injil gives the answer: Thank God! The answer is in Jesus Christ our Lord. Jesus, through the power of God's Holy Spirit living in me, gives me the strength to overcome and to stay clean Yes it is God's work to purify our fitra and to keep us on track listening to his voice that comes through it. By becoming selfless. No personal desires, wishes to obey, the only thing to obey is the command of God Almighty. The focus here seems to be on me working hard. Me getting rid of selfish desires. Me obeying God's commands. Great things to aim for! Let's do them not in our own strength but in the strength God gives and with his help as he walks the journey of life with us, beside us and inside us.
  22. Thanks for your comments This sounds like Fitra is our conscious - our inner voice implanted by God which helps us to know what is good. Unfortunately it is possible to shut down our conscious by repeatedly going against its promptings. Our inner state of purity seems to get dirty quite quickly - that must be why we aren't living according to God's inner voice. Yes as well as having a dirty heart, we are weak and so unable to resist the whispers of satan. Where do we find the one who can clean our hearts and who gives us strength to resist the whispers of satan? How can we live according to God's inner voice? These are really importabnt questions. We mustn't let our fitra die.
  23. This is a really wise comment. I don't think it is just about what happens to your tax in the 'West'. I am sure every country uses tax income for things we are unhappy with. But at least when the government has a social care system of pension, unemployment pay, medical treatment, funding infrastructuire improvements etc some of our taxes is going to 'good causes'. I'm sure anyone, not just a Muslim, would prefer this. Truth and Justice should be the foundation of all countries and political systems. We need to be careful that we don't just look for it in the Government or 'them out there' Truth and Justice should be the basis for our own personal and family life too. If individuals, families and local comunities worked on a basis of Truth and Justice, I suggest that many of the issues we see around the world wouldn't be there. The Prophet David writing in the Zebur knew that as a ruler of a country he was under the authority of God and that God was the source of Truth and Justice. See these statements made by David the Prophet inspired by God. Psalm 33:5 The Lord loves righteousness and justice; the earth is full of his unfailing love. Psalm 36:6 Your righteousness, O God, is like the highest mountains, your justice like the great deep. You, Lord, preserve both people and animals. Psalm 89:14 O God, Righteousness and justice are the foundation of your throne; love and faithfulness go before you. This kind of indicates that there is a discontinuity somewhere between these nations understanding of Truth and Justice. Are they living according to God's Righteousness and Justice or not? What an interersting comment from the Qur'an! It clearly shows that the state of our own hearts is important to God. I believe God is in the busness of changing people's hearts. He does the changing and the transformation then those with hearts based on his righteousness and justice can start to change society from the inside making wherever we live somewhere that is atractive and desirable.
  24. Hi do you have a desire? My desire is to know God better and better. As I know God more I enjoy and appriciate his creation and and the wonder of living in his world. God made people with a body and pronounced them good. The body is a bueatiful part of God'd creation to be enjoyed in the context of walking with God. As a Follower of Jesus the Messiah I look at him and see God coming in flesh and in so doing God confirms that the body is good and real and to be enjoyed. The body is only an obstical if we satisfy its desires without reference to God.
  25. Hi Joshua Thanks for reaching out on this one. I'm not sure this is the place to discuss this as it is a bit 'off topic' but I'm happy to make a comment. I agree the term Old Testament doesn't do the Hebrew scriptures justice. I use it because it is the word people are familiar with. Just a comment about the Septuagint. This has no Christian inffluence as it was translated from Hebrew into Greek by Jewish scholars 200 years before Jesus the Messiah walked on the earth. Although our modern translations refer to the Latin Vulgate the major source of the transaltion is as you say the Masoretic text. Which again was a Jewish work. That text has been confirmed to be acurate in most places by the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls which again were from a Jewish group and have been dated from 200 BCE to 60 CE. Remember Jesus the Messiah was a Jew and his Holy Book was the Hebrew scriptures and he used them to talk about who he was and what he came to do. See Holy Injil Luke 24 25 He (Jesus) said to them, ‘How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?’ 27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.
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