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Dave follower of The Way

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  1. A quick comment about this. The account in Exodus 33 which I have mentioned indicates something different from an angel coming to deliver a message it talks about God talking "face to face" with Moses. There is an example in Exodus 24 9 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up 10 and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of lapis lazuli, as bright blue as the sky. 11 But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank. It seems from accounts in the Old
  2. I agree with your point - If I ascribe anthropomorphisms to God then that would be inapropriate but if God chooses to describe himself with anthropomorphisms it is different. God says: I AM your father - I AM your shepherd - I AM your husband. or My arm is not short that it can not save; I hold you in the palm of my hand. Your name is engraved on my hand. When God uses these ideas, I rejoice because he is offereing a relationship of intimate love care and guidence. A relationship that can only be understood through real experience rather than metaphysical discussion. When
  3. I'm struggling how to answer this question! Yes in a way the term "Son of God" is symbolic because God can not and did not have sexual intercourse and produce an offspring son. So calling Jesus the Messiah "Son of God" is a metaphor to describe the relationship that Jesus has with the Father within the One God. He is of the same substance - a human gives birth to a human a human can not give birth to a dog. He has the authority of the first son: able to represent and act on behalf of his father. He comes from the very being of the Father carrying his likeness and image - How often do
  4. From what you have writen I see that God does two things when we bring shame on ourselves 1. He brings about consequenses - Judgment 2. He compensates others I believe God is willing to do more than that. God wants to cover our shame. He recognises the burden resulting from living in shame and out of his great love offers us garments of honour to cover our shame so that the burden is lifted and we can live in joy and peace in his presence. A son leaves home and by his deeds brings shame on himself and on his family. One day he comes to his senses and realizes the weight
  5. I find your explination of how to read and approach the Qur'an very helpful. Yes I too try to read it as a whole and seek to study the ayet in the context of the chapter. So, in a way, I have gone against this by just picking the Jonah verses rather than including context. However, I think there is value in drawing together themes and comminalities. I would disagree that stories are dry and boring - I think this one in the Bible is well writen and quite engaging and obviously came out of an oral storytelling culture. But you are correct God is looking for how we respond to the les
  6. Thanks for your input. I feel that instead of engaging with the text you have picked out a minor point. I chose a link from Biblegateway completly at random it could just as well have been NIV or KJV. What I was concerned with is the story - the overall message. I'm glad you read the story in different translations - it helps us to see the challenges of translation and can sometimes help us to get a different dimention on the message. What impression did you get from the story? What did you learn about God, prophets, and people? How can we use the story and the different acco
  7. Thank you for your honesty. Yes when we hear about these things we want to cry, we in some way feel the pain too. The situations we hear about are aweful and distressing. I join you in your questioning. Where is God? Why doesn't he do something? Why do the inocent suffer? -- A host of huge questions with no easy answers. I follow Jesus the Messiah and it is in looking at his life and death and resurection that I start, in some way, to see an answer. The answer does not lie in us or in tests and revenge or recompense. I beleive the answer is found in God. He is not absen
  8. Just a quick comment on this - the Greek, Roman and Hindu(?) gods are just that - individual dieties. Whereas those of us who see in Jesus the incarnate God living among us do not worship individual dieties but the ONE creator God who engages with his creation personally, initmatley and anthropormorphicly. I don't want to engage in debates which try and prove or disprove the trinity - they don't help in the long run, just end up in interlectual duels and no one wins cause no one listens! I want to ask a question about God and us. If God can not be conceptuailised how do we r
  9. I like the couplets! For death to be easy we need to be prepared for it. We find our driving test easy because, although driving is hard, we have practiced a lot and had a good instructor. I wonder how can we be ready for death as we travel through this hard life?
  10. Thank you for your contribution. You obviously put in a lot of work to produce so much material. There is so much to think about in what you have said. I'm sorry I mentioned a wrong referencein the Qur'an it should have been 10:98 I have subsiquently found another reference to the story 68:48-50. Reading the verses in the Qur'an I find it hard to put the story together. From 10:98 and 37:147 &148 God sent Jonah to preach to a disbelieving people and after he preached they repented and their punishment was averted for a time. We find this too in the Bible story Jonah 3:1-1
  11. This seems to be a case in point that Jesus the Messiah was addressing when he said: (Matthew 23) 23 ‘Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices – mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law – justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practised the latter, without neglecting the former. 24 You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel. 25 ‘Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of g
  12. @Northwest Why do some get healed and others not? This is a question asked right through all religions I'm sure. There are many tesimonies of people being miracuosly healed and others struggling through pain. We can not know the answer. God is sovereign and understands the whole picture through the whole of time and space. I believe in two things which I hold in tension. God is all poweful and able to heal, he is also completely and unterly loving. If a person is healed it is part of his loving plan, if a person is not healed it is part of his loving plan. God's love i
  13. Thanks for these comments I feel that when we come to try and understand God with our human logic - however well expressed - it is still human logic. It is like an ant trying to understand an elephant, or a two dimentional being trying to understand a third dimention. I believe to that when we look at who Jesus is and how he fits within the God head we need to look at the whole teaching of the whole Bible and the metanarative of God's work and revelelation down the ages. We can not prove or disprove using texts out of context. Having said that!!!! My reading and study fro
  14. I believe there are two states of purity. One is after we have washed our body. That purity can change depending on what we do or touch. The other state of purity is when God cleans our hearts. With the gift of a pure heart from God, we can approach him at all times. God looks at our hearts and not out our outward state. We maybe uncertain about our outward purity but when God changes our heart there is a new relationship which takes away doubt and replaces it with hope and peace. Through Jesus the Messiah the door of prayer is always open irrespective of whether we are ritually
  15. Hello - I have been reading about Yunus / Jonah in the Qur'an and the Bible. I wonder if we could look at this story and talk about it together. What does it teach about 1. God 2. Prophets 3. Ourselves Qur'an surah 10:37, 37:139-148, 21:87&88 Bible Book of Jonah chapters 1-4 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jonah 1&version=NLT Let's try and keep our comments and reactions focused on the texts and also reasonably short!!!
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