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Ansar Shiat Ali

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  1. Funny enough, I established to this same person that this narration is a fabrication according to both Sunni and Shia standards. Must we go through this every time? Also, to use Nahj al-Balagha (wallah this person hasn't read the whole thing) is funny. I think any person with a working mind would take the Mu'tabar narration of Shaqshaqiyyah than the fabrications of Sayf Ibn Umar al-Zindeeq. As for Ghadir and the word Mawla, looking at the hadith and its context, the meaning of Mawla is very clear. I would like to start off by quoting a part of a verse of the Quran: النَّبِيُّ أَوْلَىٰ بِالْمُؤْمِنِينَ مِنْ أَنفُسِهِمْ ۖ وَأَزْوَاجُهُ أُمَّهَاتُهُمْ ۗ The Prophet is more worthy of the believers than themselves, In the footnote of Sahih International for this verse, they say: He (ﷺ) is more worthy of their obedience and loyalty and is more concerned for them than they are for one another. So, this verse means that the Prophet (صل الله عليه وآله) has more authority of the Believers than themselves. To support and strengthen this view even more, I will quote the best tafsir (according to Ibn Taymiyyah), Tafsir Muhammad Ibn Jarir al-Tabari. We read in Tafsir al-Tabari, Vol. 19, pg. 14-15: He (سبحانه وتعالى) says, {The Prophet} Muhammad {Has more authority over the believers}. He (Allah) means/says that he (The Prophet) has more right over them than themselves to rule over them with any ruling. I will also quote their highly respected scholar, al-Baghawi, specifically what he has to say about the meaning of this blessed verse. We read in Tafsir al-Baghawi, Vol. 6, pg. 318: His words (سبحانه وتعالى), {The Prophet has more authority over the Believers than themselves}, meaning he (صل الله عليه وآله) has it (authority over them) than they do over themselves when it comes to his orders/commands, and the obligation of their obedience (to the Prophet). There are also other scholars, such as Ibn al-Jawzi in his Zaad al-Maseer, who say something along these lines. Now that we have solidified what this means, let’s move on to the hadith itself. We read in Kashf al-Astar, by al-Haythemi, Vol. 3, pg. 191: From Ali (عليه السلام) that he said, “I swear by Allah to a man who heard Rasul Allah (صل الله عليه وآله) say on the day of Ghadir Khum when he stood up!” So 13 men stood up and they bared witness that Rasul Allah (صل الله عليه وآله) said, “Do I not have more authority over the believers than themselves?” So they said, “Yes o’ Messenger of Allah!” So he took the hand of Ali and said, “Whoever I am his master then he (Ali) is his master. O’ Allah be an ally if his ally and an enemy of his enemy. And love those who love him and hate those who hate him. And help those who help him and abandon those who abandon him.” In the footnote it says: al-Haythemi said, “al-Bazar narrated it and its rijal (narrators) are the rijal (narrators) of the Sahih (al-Bukhari) except Fitr Ibn Khalifah but he is thiqah/trustworthy.” We also read in Musnad Ahmed Ibn Hanbel, Vol. 32, pg. 55-56: From Abu al-Tufayl that Ali (عليه السلام) gathered the people in the Rahbah and said to them, “I swear by Allah to every Muslim person who heard Rasul Allah (صل الله عليه وآله) on the day of Ghadir Khum when he stood up!” So 30 people stood up. They bared witness that when he (صل الله عليه وآله) took him by the hand, he said to the people, “Do you know that I have more authority over the Believers than themselves?” So they said, “Yes o’ Messenger of Allah.” So he (صل الله عليه وآله) said, “Whoever I am his master, then he (Ali) is his master. O’ Allah be an ally of his ally and an enemy of his enemy.” He (Abu al-Tufayl) said, “So I left and it’s as if there was something in myself [against it]. So I met Zayd Ibn Arqem and I said to him, ‘I heard Ali say such-and-such!’ He (Zayd) said, ‘Why do you reject? I heard Rasul Allah (صل الله عليه وآله) say that!’” The footnote says: Its chain is Sahih/authentic. Firstly, Notice how at the beginning, Rasul Allah (صل الله عليه وآله) reminds the people of his authority over them, then he describes Ali (عليه السلام) with a word that is mostly used to describe people with a type of authority. Rasul Allah (صل الله عليه وآله) is basically saying in a sense, ‘Whoever I have authority over, then Ali has authority over them as well.’ Secondly, why was Abu al-Tufayl (رضي الله عنه) shocked when he first heard the blessed words of Rasul Allah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) being narrated by multiple companions؟ If it just meant friend, why would Abu al-Tufayl (رضي الله عنه) be shocked? The intention of Ali (عليه السلام) and his companions for narrating this hadith is not to tell a bunch of people that he is their friend. Rather, he was reminding them of the will of Rasul Allah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) to the people at Ghadir Khum that the people forgot. Thirdly, why is Ali (عليه السلام) asking people to bear witness to the events of Ghadir Khum during his time as a political leader? To remind the people that he is their friend? Of course not! Amir al-Mu’mineen (عليه السلام) was trying to remind the people that whatever authority the Messenger of Allah (صل الله عليه وآله) had/has over them, Ali (عليه السلام) has the same authority. An example of this can be found outside of the event of Ghadir Khum. For example, we read in al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, Vol. 3, pg. 131: From Abu Dhar (عليه السلام) that Rasul Allah (صل الله عليه وآله) said, “Whoever obeys me has obeyed Allah. And who disobeys me has disobeyed Allah. And whoever obeys Ali (عليه السلام) has obeyed me. And whoever disobeys Ali (عليه السلام) has disobeyed me.” Al-Hakim grades this hadith as authentic and al-Dhahabi agrees. Now, for my extra 10 cents about this topic, there seems to be a misconception going around between the laymen of the Shia and the "scholars" of the Sunni and the people that parrot these "scholars" that Ghadir Khum is one of the only, if not, the only proof the Shia have for the Khilafah of Ali (عليه السلام) after Rasul Allah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم). So I will leave you all with this and my Dua for you all: From Ibn Abbas (رضي الله عنه) that Rasul Allah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said to Ali (عليه السلام), "You are to me like Harun was to Musa (عليهما السلام) except that you are not a prophet. And you the Khalifah of every believer after me." The footnote says: Its chain is sound/good (Hasan). (Al-Sunnah, by Ibn Abi A'sim, Vol. 2, pg. 799-800) Certainly Allah and his Messenger have told the truth. صدق الله ورسوله وصل الله على محمد وآله الطاهرين الاخيار وسلم تسليما
  2. This year is flying away like birds. It seems like yesterday was New Years Eve.
  3. Salamu Alykum. His poetry is indeed very nice. If only those same words weren't just words, but also his beliefs.
  4. In the case of what we are unsure of, Allah knows best. Allah bless you. Wasalam
  5. Salamu Alykum. When it comes to this "British Shiism", I don't think it's a good take from either side. I think this thing of giving modern day Shia Muslim figures the "MI6/CIA or he is a western spy" stamp is not good at all. If you think that disunity is happening in the Ummah, you don't respond by causing more disunity. The disunity in this case is caused by attacking a well respected Marja such as Sayyid Sadiq al-Shirazi (حفظه الله). I, in no means follow Sayyid Sadiq (I am actually a firm follower of Wilayat al-Faqih and Sayyid Ali Khamenei), but I do acknowledge that thousands of our Shia brothers and sisters follow him. As for Sayyid Ammar, he may have some iffy views and he may have said some iffy things, by I still wouldn't take him out of the fold of Shiism and call him a spy for the British government. Like you really have to be joking when you say he is a spy right? I wonder how an MI6 agent for the British government can get a selfie with Iran's [former] president. Allah bless you all, wasalam.
  6. وَيَقُولُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا لَوْلَا أُنزِلَ عَلَيْهِ آيَةٌ مِّن رَّبِّهِ ۗ إِنَّمَا أَنتَ مُنذِرٌ ۖ وَلِكُلِّ قَوْمٍ هَادٍ (7) Sahih International: And those who disbelieved say, "Why has a sign not been sent down to him from his Lord?" You are only a warner, and for every people is a guide. (Quran 13:7) Look into Tafsir (specifically the Tafsir of Ibn Jarir al-Tabari because he is ur best) on what the guide is and who he is. After that we can walk some baby steps. Also look at the verse where Allah says he has established a Caliph on the Earth.
  7. I really love forums, especially back in the day when they were very active. It was very good to hear the ideas of many people Alhamdulillah.
  8. @Debate follower Salam. I actually really love that you ignored the point that I made. Clearly Nahj al-Balagha was not written for authenticity and what I quoted from Qabasat Ilm al-Rijal proves this. What I wanted to show is that just because it's in Nahj al-Balagha doesn't mean it's hujjah, bring the original source when you want to quote it. Since you do seem very confident and happy that you quoted a Khutbah fabricated by a Zindeeq/Heretic (Sayf Ibn Umar al-Tamimi), so give yourself a pat on the back. الحمد لله رب العالمين وصل الله على محمد وآل محمد Wa Salamu Alykum wa Rahmat Allah
  9. What is very funny is that sadly you guys don't actually read your books. I love how you guys go around and hold this Khutbah to the full standard as if it destroys Shiism. Before we get into why this Khutbah is most likely a fabrication and Imam Ali (عليه السلام) probably never said it, let me teach you about Nahj al Balagha. In Qabasat min Ilm al-Rijal, By Sayyid Muhammad Ridha al-Sistani (حفظه الله), Vol.2, Page 142-143, "Nahj al-Balagha.... And Al-Muhaqiq al-Tustari (اعلى الله مقامه) mentioned that al-Sayyid [Al-Sharif] Al-Radhi (رضي الله عنه) that a great amount of his book (Nahj al-Balagha) is taken from the books of the Jumhur. That is why sometimes that he narrates in his book what goes against the books of our companions (the Shia). Then he (Tustari) mentioned a few examples." So, let's see where Al-Sharif al-Radhi got it from OH MY GOD!!! WHAT IS THIS?????? IT'S FROM TARIKH AL-TABARI? WITH SAYF IBN UMAR AL-TAMIMI IN THE CHAIN? Yes that is indeed right. Who's Sayf Ibn Umar btw? الأسم : سيف بن عمر الشهرة : سيف بن عمر الضبي النسب : السعدي, البرجمي, الضبي, التميمي, الأسيدي, الكوفي الرتبة : متهم بالوضع عاش في : البصرة, الكوفة أبو أحمد بن عدي الجرجاني : ضعيف، وبعض أحاديثه مشهورة وعامتها منكرة لم يتابع عليها وهو إلى الضعف أقرب منه إلى الصدق أبو جعفر العقيلي : لا يتابع على كثير من حديثه أبو حاتم الرازي : متروك الحديث يشبه حديثه حديث الواقدي أبو حاتم بن حبان البستي : يروي الموضوعات عن الأثبات، اتهم بالزندقة، قالوا إنه كان يضع الحديث أبو دواد السجستاني : ليس بشيء أبو عبد الله الحاكم النيسابوري : اتهم بالزندقة وساقط الروايه أبو نعيم الأصبهاني : متهم في دينه مرمي بالزندقة ساقط الحديث لا شيء أحمد بن شعيب النسائي : ضعيف ابن حجر العسقلاني : ضعيف الحديث، صاحب كتاب الردة عمدة في التاريخ، أفحش ابن حبان القول فيه ابن عراق : متهم بالزندقة ووضع الحديث الدارقطني : ضعيف، متروك، ذكره في الضعفاء والمتروكين مجلي بن جميع : كان يضع الحديث وكان قد اتهم بالزندقة مصنفوا تحرير تقريب التهذيب : متروك، فحديثه ضعيف جدا يحيى بن معين : ضعيف الحديث، ومن رواية أبي جعفر الحضرمي سئل عنه فقال: فليس خيرا منه يعقوب بن سفيان الفسوي : ليس بشيء http://hadith.islam-db.com/narrators/3737/سيف-بن-عمر Mashallah. He is matruk, a fabricator, dhaeef/weak. And get this, He was said to a Zindeeq/Heretic?!?!? So my advice is: 1. Read your books 2. Go read about why Nahj al-Balagha was written 3. And finally, go read Nahj al-Balagha from beginning to end.
  10. Wa alykum al salam. Labayk Ya Husayn! You don't have to curse and send salam 100 times, but there is a bigger reward if you do. Also brother @Ashvazdanghe posted a version of Ziyarat Ashura that is not very famous, you get the complete reward without cursing and sending salam 100 times.
  11. I responded to a few of the brothers answers here btw, JazakumAllah Khayr al Jaza!
  12. wa alykum al salam wa rahmat allah. Thank you for the source
  13. 1. I don't understand the concept of "If a son of Fatima (عليها السلام) rises up he is an Imam." 2. Where is the proof Zayd (عليه السلام) believed in this concept? It seems like you made him an Imam without him knowing about this "Imamah of the Zaydiyyah" in the 1st place. 3. A revolt needs a leader, and this leader must be from Ahlulbayt. But Rasul Allah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) left behind his Ahlulbayt who were under the kisa, if they rise up then we follow them. 4. (Concerning one of the Imams of the Zaydiyya) I suppose you made al-Hasan al-Muthana an Imam because he joined a revolt against the Ummayd "caliphate", but what's funny is that Al Muthana wasn't even the leader of the revolt! And he gave Bay'ah to the nephew of the killer of his father! http://alhassanain.org/m/arabic/?com=book&id=1347&page=380 Al-Masabeeh by Ahmed Ibn Ibrahim al Hasani I still need proof that revolting makes you an Imam. Praising Zayd (عليه السلام) came down to his intentions, and he did rise up for the Ridha of Ale Muhammad (صلوات الله عليه وعليهم) according to the Twelvers. But agreeing and giving permission to rise up doesn't make you believe in another persons Imamate. Al-Kulayni (رضي الله عنه) narrated with a sahih chain, قَالَ سَمِعْتُ أَبَا عَبْدِ اللَّهِ (عليه السلام) وَ لَا تَقُولُوا خَرَجَ زَيْدٌ فَإِنَّ زَيْداً كَانَ عَالِماً وَ كَانَ صَدُوقاً وَ لَمْ يَدْعُكُمْ إِلَى نَفْسِهِ إِنَّمَا دَعَاكُمْ إِلَى الرِّضَا مِنْ آلِ مُحَمَّدٍ (عليهم السلام) https://thaqalayn.net/chapter/8/1/381 And why was the standard for accepting Imamate twisted? For Ali (عليه السلام), Rasul Allah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) showed clearly that Ali (عليه السلام) is the Imam after him. Ali did the same for al-Hasan al-Mujtaba (عليهم السلام), and Al-Hasan did the same for al-Husayn (عليهم السلام). But after the death of Sayyid al-Shuhada' (عليه السلام), It suddenly became "Who is the son of Fatima who will lead a revolution?" (which is something al-Hasan al-Muthana didn't do) These prove nothing. The Shia ummah needed guidance and their questions to be answered. They also need the Imam of their time to guide them. The difference between the revolt of Zayd (عليه السلام) and Al-Husayn (عليه السلام) is that Husayn's opened peoples eyes to the kufr and nifaq of Banu Ummayah. This is guidence. People like al Nafs al-Zakiyyah (رضي الله عنه) and Al-Husayn Ibn Ali Sahib Fakh (عليه السلام) just got murdered wuthout showing any type of guidence to the people. So when al-Sadiq (عليه السلام) says that Zayd (عليه السلام) deserves bay'ah more then him, this is not Imamate. Zayd (عليه السلام) was willing to revolt because he didn't have the burden of guiding the people like Al-Sadiq (عليه السلام) did. Inshallah this Q and A, and discussion is fruitful. Inshallah we all learn something
  14. Al-Salamu alykum. I am not here to debate, but ask questions. Did Zayd Ibn Ali (عليه السلام) claim Imamah? If so, bring proof. Did anyone of Zayd's time acknowledge his Imamah? If so bring, Who? Also bring proof for this. Did any of the 9 Imams after al-Husayn (عليهم السلام) acknowledge the Imamah of Zayd (عليه السلام)? If so, bring proof.
  15. الله ارحم الراحمين وخير الغافرين
  16. اللهم صل على المصطفى الامجد والرسول المسدد ابو القاسم محمد وعلى آل بيته الطيبين الطاهرين
  17. @Zaidism There is the I'smah of our Imams. Our guidance is listening to the Imam and obeying him, something that the followers of Zayd (عليه السلام) didn't do sadly. Here is the guidance the Imam has given us
  18. Can we agree 1st that the verse of tathir means infallibility/I'smah? We agree with Ahlul Kisa and their infallibility, the problem is with the Imams after them. Here is the best Sunni Tafsir, From Abi Al Daylam that he said, Ali Ibn Al Husayn (عليهم السلام) said to a man from Sham, "Have you read in Surat al Ahzab (33:33)?" The man said, "You are them?" So he (al-Sajjad) said, "Yes" Imam Ali Ibn Al Husayn (عليه السلام) wasn't in the kisa but here he is saying it was revealed for him as well, I wonder why. Alhamdulillah this is in our books as well
  19. يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا اسْتَعِينُوا بِالصَّبْرِ وَالصَّلَاةِ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ مَعَ الصَّابِرِينَ O you who have believed, seek help through patience and prayer. Indeed, Allah is with the patient.
  20. That's what the 12ers do. We don't believe the 3rd testimony is part of the Adhan. Its a شعار for the Shia. Its like saying the salawat between every line. We don't think its part of the Adhan.
  21. As for Shia books, https://thaqalayn.net/
  22. Sahih al-Bukhari صحيح البخاري Sahih Muslim صحيح مسلم Sunan an-Nasa'i سنن النسائي Sunan Abi Dawud سنن أبي داود Jami` at-Tirmidhi جامع الترمذي Sunan Ibn Majah سنن ابن ماجه Muwatta Malik موطأ مالك Musnad Ahmad مسند أحمد An-Nawawi's 40 Hadith الأربعون النووية Collections of Forty الأربعينات Riyad as-Salihin رياض الصالحين Mishkat al-Masabih مشكاة المصابيح Al-Adab Al-Mufrad الأدب المفرد Ash-Shama'il Al-Muhammadiyah الشمائل المحمدية Bulugh al-Maram بلوغ المرام Hisn al-Muslim حصن المسلم https://sunnah.com/ All translated in english
  23. Salam. There are many reasons. The main reasons we dislike Umm al Mu'mineen is because she disrespected the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and hatred to Ali (عليه السلام). Here are a few examples,
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