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  1. Even if we play your game it doesn’t fundamentally prove anything, we can even (hypothetically) say that the Mahdi is superior to Prophets. You can’t reconcile the belief in occult Imamate, this is a pointless discussion which will lead to nothing, and will prove nothing. Twelvers will stick to these notions, because once they enter the field of practicality their mystical conjecture, theoretics, and metaphysical rhetoric will all collapse when asked to provide active, and practical solutions to the real world. It’s influenced a lot of the reasoning we see here on ShiaChat, you went on this whole conspirator tirade of “ Zaydis seeking to hide messianism” when I clearly told you that there is more than one position an individual can take regarding this particular instance. I personally believe Nabi ‘isa will descend, but that is because I haven’t looked into it too deeply and my position is subject to change. You can make Sagas if you apply that sophistry to your own traditions. Abbasid Mahdism, the Ghulat, unusual levels of Taqiyyah practiced between the adherents, all being attributed to the Imams. You have no basis for your claims, and it is as I maintain the influence of twelver sophistry polluting one’s own reasoning and conclusions. Do us all a favor and actually study our works, read our history, and present some critical critiques. Double standards are certainly disingenuous and with the way you reached your conclusion, why are you surprised that others conclude that twelvers follow Ibn Saba’ and believe that Imam Ali was the messenger, or even the creator. This was quite the blunder brother, but at this point I’m not surprised, before you we had others arguing that there are 12 designated Imams because the Quran mentions 12 months. I think it’s about time I take a break from this forum.
  2. We don’t have this in our literature - to my knowledge - we also don’t discount the opinion that there won’t be a return for Nabi ‘isa. With all due respect, if this is really how you hold onto your beliefs. You guys are holding onto straws.
  3. It isn't from our works, it is from yours. The point I was making was that from your works Imam Baqir ((عليه السلام)) considers the three segments of 35:32 to be referring to the Ahlulbayt. Yes, Imam Sadiq ((عليه السلام)) was a great Imam of 'ilm This is a misunderstanding, there are Imams of 'ilm and Imams of Jihad, as long as one has the necessary qualities of 'ilm (i.e ijitihad) they can rise, after being chosen via the Shuraa. Kitab Al-Jifr
  4. @Cool If you were to scroll back a couple posts on this same page of the thread, you would find that your misunderstandings were answered. The issue is you are so dogmatic, and you refuse to even think about what I am saying. There was someone who asked the exact same question that you did on this very page, and still you go on to shuffle the question and use it as an argument? If you want me to recommend you some Zaydi books to read and study, I would be more than happy to, if you want to debate I will be more than happy to, I would just appreciate it if you, @Ashvazdanghe, and @Muslim2010 can stop jumping around in between threads and derailing everything. Here is a beautiful refutation from one of the Imams of the Ahlulbayt: https://www.zaidiah.com/sites/default/files/articles_files/lqd_lthmyn.pdf
  5. Because Imam 'Ali عليه السلام was designated by Allah through the Messenger ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)). We then made Our chosen bondmen the inheritors of the Book; so among them is one who wrongs himself; and among them is one who stays on the middle course; and among them is one who, by the command of Allah, surpassed others in good deeds; this is the great favour! {35:32} يروي الحاكم الحسكاني الحنفي ، بإسناده ، عن أبي حمزة الثمالي عن علي بن الحسين ، قال : إني لجالس عنده إذ جاءه رجلان من أهل العراق فقالا : يا ابن رسول الله جئناك [ كي ] تخبرنا عن آيات من القرآن . فقال : و ما هي ؟ قالا: قول الله تعالى : ثم أورثنا الكتاب الذين اصطفينا فقال : يا أهل العراق و أيش يقولون ؟ قالا : يقولون : إنها نزلت في أمة محمد (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم‏) فقال : علي بن الحسين : أمة محمد كلهم إذا في الجنة ! ! قال : …، فقلت : و المقتصد؟ قال : العابد لله في بيته حتى يأتيه اليقين ، فقلت : السابق بالخيرات ؟ قال : مَنْ شَهَرَ سَيفَه ودَعَا إلى سَبيلِ رَبّه)) [ شواهد التنزيل:2/157] يروي الشيخ الصدوق بإسناده ، عن أبي حمزة الثمالي قال : كنت جالسا في المسجد الحرام مع أبي جعفر (عليه السلام) إذ أتاه رجلان من أهل البصرة فقالا له : يا بن رسول الله إنا نريد أن نسألك عن مسألة فقال لهما : اسألا عما جئتما . قالا : أخبرنا عن قول الله عز وجل : (ثم أورثنا الكتاب الذين اصطفينا من عبادنا فمنهم ظالم لنفسه ومنهم مقتصد ومنهم سابق بالخيرات بإذن الله ذلك هو الفضل الكبير )) إلى آخر الآيتين قال : نزلت فينا أهل البيت. قال أبو حمزة فقلت : بأبي أنت وأمي فمن … ، المقتصد منكم ؟ قال : العابد لله ربه في الحالين حتى يأتيه اليقين . فقلت : فمن السابق منكم بالخيرات؟ قال : مَن دَعا والله إلى سَبيل ربه وأمرَ بالمعروف ، ونَهى عن المنكر ، ولم يَكُن للمُضلِّين عَضُداً . ولا للخَائنين خَصيما ، ولم يَرض بحُكم الفَاسقين إلاّ منْ خَافَ على نَفسِه ودِينه ولم يجد أعْوَاناً)) [ معاني الأخبار:105] Regarding this: إلاّ منْ خَافَ على نَفسِه ودِينه ولم يجد أعْوَاناً Not equal are those believers remaining [at home] - other than the disabled - and the mujahideen, [who strive and fight] in the cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred the mujahideen through their wealth and their lives over those who remain [behind], by degrees. And to both Allah has promised the best [reward]. But Allah has preferred the mujahideen over those who remain [behind] with a great reward - {4:95} The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him and his progeny, said: ((The one who commands the good and forbids the evil, is from my offspring and he is the caliph of Allah on earth; as well as, the caliph of His Book and the Caliph of the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him and his progeny)). Al-Hādi, upon him be peace, narrated this in Al-Ahkām, in the chapter entitled “The Virtues of a Just Imam. Despite mentioning the Hadiths from your works and from the works of Ahlul-Sunnah, you know it is just logically that the Imam is either the one who rises with the sword or calls to himself, how else would someone know who the Imam is! There is also a Shuraa between the Ahlulbayt where the most fit/qualified is chosen, and then we see the Imam rising. Yes, because only the most knowledgeable of the time would rise Al-Hādi narrated on the authority of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him and his Progeny: It is also narrated by the author of Al-Muhīt [i.e. Ali b. al-Hussein] concerning the Imamate on the authority of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him and his progeny: ((Whoever listens when the People of the House calls them and refuses to accompany them, Allah will fling them to the bottom of Hell)). Al-Hādi narrated this with different wording but same meaning. Imam Zayd b. Ali, upon him be peace, narrates: “They reject the jihad with the good of the People of my House! It is as it states in the hadīth: ((There are three people that I will intercede for on the Day of Judgment: the one who strikes with the sword on behalf of an imam from my offspring…)) and the hadīth: ((The one who fights us in these times will be similar to the one who fights along with the Antichrist (ad-dajjāl) when he comes)).” {Bring forth your proof if ye are indeed truthful} (Q. 2:111) It is upon the accuser to provide evidence for his claim;You need to provide clear evidence that our imams and scholars directly took from the hanafis and mu'tazilis. This is NOT demonstrated by similarities in positions and thought; rather, there has to be clear and unequivocal evidence of pilfering our theology from the muta'zilis and fiqh from the hanafis. This is because similarities exist throughout the madhaahib, and these similarities could be due to similarity in approach or the like. But to say that madhhab took something from another demands ample proof.If our opponents would simply peruse our foundational books of comparative theology and fiqh, they would see that our imams and scholars cite the positions of hanafis, mu'tazilis, asharis, shafi'is, imammis, etc. and state where we agree and disagree with them. We share similar positions with the shafi'is for example, when it comes to the recitation of the basmala aloud in the prayers, but does that mean we took our fiqh from the shafi'is? We share similar positions with the malikis when it comes to praying with our arms by the sides, but does that mean we took from the malikis?I would admit that most of our theological positions are aligned with the mu'tazilis and fiqh positions are aligned with hanafis, but i would say that this is due to similarity in approach, not influence. However, our imams also state points of disagreement with the hanafis and mu'tazilis as i mentioned earlier.On the other hand, I would say that the mutazilis and hanafis were influenced by Ahl al-Bayt. My proof? Shahrastani said in his Milal that the mu'tazilis attended the sessions of the imams of Ahl al-bayt (عليه السلام). Also, if you study hanafi usul, you would note that they took many of their rulings from the Kufan authorities who took from the likes of Ibn Mas'ud and the Commander of the Believers, Ali b. Abi Talib (عليه السلام). - IRS Thank you.
  6. @Cool This is a question thread, not a share your misunderstandings thread, I know it hurts that you couldn't defend your most fundamental beliefs and that is why you're woefully trying to pick holes in the Zaydi school. You have questions and you're using them as arguments, if you would like to share your questions I would be more than happy to answer them, if you want to debate your misunderstandings that is completely fine there are three other threads to do that, and you are more than welcome to create another one.
  7. By the way, this is questions about Zaidi beliefs, so please refrain from rudely answering on our behalf with twelver Hadiths. If I were to do the same on your threads I am sure I would get banned. Heck, I am sharing your hadiths on your threads and still suffer the risk of being banned lol.
  8. We believe that the 12 Imams, well 11 since the 12th isn't born yet, were all Zaydis. Therefore, there is no differentiation between their framework/understanding and ours. All descendants of Fatema عليها السلام are from the progeny, only those who meet the conditions of imamate are Imams of Ahlulbayt who one can follow.
  9. Thank you for proving the point we were trying to make, which is:
  10. https://www.facebook.com/100040752275045/videos/1159164804559916
  11. There is no evidence for a designation of 12 particular Imams, let alone proof of their infallibility. We must first highlight the Zaidi belief of infallibility (‘isma). We will draw from an article written by Kāžim az-Zaidi, may Allah reward him. It is divided into four perspectives. The first is that infallibility is divided into individual infallibility and collective infallibility. Individual infallibility can only be ascertained by explicit designation (nass) of the Qur’an and the authentic narrated traditions. This individual infallibility was conferred upon each of the Five Companions of the Cloak, upon them be peace. This is proven by the explicit verse: {Verily Allah only desires to keep thee away from filth, O People of the House, and purify thee with a thorough purification} (Q. 33:33). I don’t want to get into how or why this is a proof for their infallibility; however, it suffices for us that this was the opinion held by the imams of Ahl al-Bayt, upon them be peace. For example, it is recorded in Al-Jāmi’ al-Kāfi that Imam Ahmed b. Isa (عليه السلام) was asked whether it was permissible to accept the testimony of just one person. He replied: “No. Unless that person was ‘Ali, al-Hasan or al-Hussein.” When he was asked “How is that?” he replied “Because they were infallible (ma’sumeen).” Hāfiz Muhammad b. Suleiman al-Kufi narrated in his Manāqib Amir al-Mumineen with a chain of narrators to Imam Zaid b. Ali (عليه السلام) that the latter said: “The infallibles are five: the Prophet, Ali, Fātima, al-Hasan and al-Hussein.” Ibn Asākir also narrated this statement of Imam Zaid (عليه السلام) in his Tārikh ad-Dimashq. Hāfiz Muhammad b. Suleiman al-Kufi also narrated that Imam Muhammad b. Ali al-Bāqir (عليه السلام) said: “To us, the infallibles are five: Allah’s Messenger, Ali, Fātima, al-Hasan and al-Hussein, upon all of them be peace.” Imam Mansûr Billah ‘Abdullah b. Hamza (عليه السلام) said in his Ar-Risālat an-Nāfia: "Infallibility cannot occur in any of the sons of Ishmael that can teach us except Muhammad, Ali, Fātima, al-Hasan and al-Hussein, upon all of them be peace." The second perspective is that infallibility for the Companions of the Cloak (عليه السلام) and the Prophets (عليه السلام) is a protection from the major sins. As for other than that—such as, errors not connected to the Divine Message—they are not infallible from such. This is a difference between the Zaidi belief and the 12er Shia belief. We say that since the Holy Qur’an attributes minor faults to the Prophets (عليه السلام), such is also possible for the Companions of the Cloak who are considered inferior to the Prophets (عليه السلام). Hāfiz Muhammad b. Mansûr al-Murādi narrated in Amāli Ahmed b. Isa on the authority of Muhammad b. Ali al-Bāqir (as): Once, a man came to al-Hussein b. Ali concerning a need. He asked him to fulfil his need, and [al-Hussein] said: "I am in the state of 'itikaf [i.e. religious confinement to the mosque]." He then went to al-Hasan and informed him saying: "I went to Abu Abdullah to fulil a need I had and he said 'I am in the state of 'itikaf.'" Then, al-Hasan fulfilled the man's need and made his way to al-Hussein. He said to him: "O brother, what prevented you from fulfilling this man's need?" He replied: "I am in the state of 'itikaf." Al-Hasan said: "Fulfilling the need of a Muslim brother is more beloved to me than 'itikaf for a month." This report proves that the Companions of the Cloak are not infallible towards minor faults. This is because Imam al-Hasan (عليه السلام) censured his brother Imam al-Hussein (عليه السلام) for not seeing to the man's need. This of course was a minor offense not amounting to a major sin; however, it nevertheless demonstrates that infallibility does not prevent the infallible from lapses in judgment and minor faults. The third perspective is that the the Ahl al-Bayt have a collective infallibility in that their consensus is a proof in the religion. This is based upon many narrated traditions, such as the Hadith of the Two Weighty Things (ath-Thaqalain), the Hadith of the Ark (as-Safeena), and others. These rigorously authenticated traditions point to the fact that the Ahl al-Bayt are the sources of guidance after the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him and his progeny. If they are sources of guidance then it is incumbent that they not contradict the truth. If they do not contradict the truth, then they—collectively—are infallible. Otherwise, the Prophet would have left an imperfect source of perfection. The fourth perspective is that the collective infallibility of the Ahl al-Bayt negates that anyone after the Companions of the Cloak is individually infallible. We do not hold that any imam after al-Hussein b. 'Ali (عليه السلام) is infallible because we have no verse of Qur'an or successively transmitted (mutawātir) hadith that explicitly designates anyone else as infallible. Rather, the avoidance of major sins is one of the conditions of Imamate according to the Zaidis. We say that the committing of a major sin disqualifies a person from the imamate but it does not denote that the imam must have infallibility as an innate quality. Some may take offense at the term “infallible” being used for non-Prophets. However, we say that since there is no explicit verse of Qur’an or authentically narrated tradition that prohibits this term being used for non-Prophets, this criticism is unfounded and unproven. We also say that since this term was used explicitly to refer to the Companions of the Cloak by our imams, Zaidis have no problem using this term to refer to Ali, Fātima, al-Hasan and al-Hussein, upon them be peace. As we said before, our belief in the infallibility of the Companions of the Cloak (عليه السلام) does not mean that we equate them to Prophets and Messengers (عليه السلام). Their status is below that of the Prophets (عليه السلام). It is not infallibility that differentiates Prophets from non-Prophets rather it is Divine inspiration (wahi). http://salvationark.com/salvationark1/index.php/forum/theological/64-infallibility-of-the-imams-as
  12. Salam, kindly post your questions on the Q&A thread and I, or brother @Ali bin Hussein Can get to you inshallah.
  13. Hassan b. Farhan Al-Maliki notes that this argument was first used by Ibn Taymiyyah (born 661 A.H)!
  14. And what reason have you that you should not fight in the way of Allah and of the weak among the men and the women and the children, (of) those who say: Our Lord! cause us to go forth from this town, whose people are oppressors, and give us from Thee a guardian and give us from Thee a helper. {4:75}
  15. Imamat of Ali (ع) and History The dispute of whether Mawla (مولا) means Ally or Master is more than a 10 centuries old dispute between the followers of Imam Ali (ع) and the followers of the Khulafa. This has fractured the very core of this Ummah until today. Some amongst our opponents have tried to use historical evidences against us the Shi’a with little success. The question of whether Imam Ali bin Abi Talib (افضل السلام) did claim divine Imamah openly and consistently during his lifetime is more important than the proofs in the Traditions. Was this claim known to the Sahaba and people is crucial. One needs to look at the event of Shura as narrated in the reputable Tarikh Al-Tabri to see how much of truth has been veiled by our opponents. Sayedna Ammar bin Yasir (رض) a great Sahabi of the Messenger (ص) said: …فأني تصرفون هذا الأمر عن أهل بيت نبيكم! For how long will you keep this affair (Khilafat) away from Ahl Al-Bayt! This clearly exposes the conspiracy to keep Imamat of Khilafat away from the Ahl Al-Bayt. Sayedna Miqdad (رض) the great Sahabi said : ما رأت مثل ما أوتى إلى أهل هذا البيت بعد نبيهم إني الأعجب من قريش أنهم تركوا رجلا ما أقول إن أحدًا أعلم ولا أقضى منه بالعدل، أما والله لو أجد عليه أعوانا I have not seen anything in likeness to what has befallen to the member of this Household after their Prophet (passing)! I am surprised with the Quraysh who had abandoned a man for whom I could not say one is more knowledgeable or more judicious then him. By Allah if I could find supporters (to establish his Imamat) Imam Ali bin Abi Talib (ع) himself stated openly: الحمد لله الذي بعث محمدا منا نبيا و بعثه إلينا رسولا فنحن بيت النبوة و معدن الحكمة و أمان أهل الأرض و نجاة لمن طلب لنا حق.. All praise to Allah who sent Muhammad (Sayedna) from us the Prophet and sent upon us a Messenger and we are the House of Prophethood and treasure of wisdom and safety for the inhabitants of earth and salvation for those who seek (us) and this (Khilafat) is our right. And when Imam Ali (ع) was not selected in the Shura instead Uthman was selected. This was his words: ليس هذا اول يوم تظاهرتم فيه علينا This is not the first day you all have conspired over us! Referring to how Imamat or Khilafat was usurped by the people of Saqifah. An honest person who researched into this matter by consulting the books of history will be able to achieve certainty on this issue without the need to look into the books of Ahadith. اللهم صلى على محمد و آل محمد Source
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