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  1. Ehh my dude Ortho online 

  2. Regardless, hypocrites are in the deepest of hell according to the Holy Quran. A lot of people will oppose the al-Qaim (عجّل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف), a lot will pretend to welcome him from fear and hypocrisy etc. but they all will be punished nonetheless. The same was going on during the life of Rasullah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), where are they now?
  3. Not only that, a lot of self-declared Shias, especially scholars who corrupted the faith, will be killed as well. These narrations can be found in our books. Therefore it’s wajib to remain on the proper religious understanding without deviations.
  4. What a nonsensical statement. There’s no such a thing as “orthodox Sunni Islam”, as Sunnis themselves can’t agree on anything. Even after 1400 years you still argue how to place the hands during the mandatory prayers. Some modern day strains of Sunnism are queitist, while others are not at all. For example, some Sunnis believe in unconditional loyalty to the ruler, no matter how evil or corrupted, while others believe that the ruler can be removed from power if he ruled unislamically. Of course Sunnis love cherry picking in this regard, where they mobilised themselves to overthrow Assad, but did and do nothing about Saddam, al Saud, al Khalifa and other munafiqun dictators. Sunnis mentality is simple, it usually follows the pattern of; as long as it’s our dictator, it’s ok. Honest truth.
  5. Bab was just a heretic who left Islam and created his own religion. Baháʼu'lláh built upon Babism in turn creating Bahaism. Therefore Iran is completely justified in showing these people their misguided ways. Just as mainstream Sunnis reject Ahmadis, Nation of Islam and others, we reject Babis, Bahais, Ahle Haqq/Yarsanis, Alawites and other misguided people who left the Islamic orthodoxy and adopted their own beliefs. The problem isn’t that these people became heretics, the problem is that they brainwash others into their misguidance.
  6. Kasb as a theological thought was developed by al-Ashari because Sunni Qadar couldn’t withstand logical criticism. Kasb was meant to be something “in between” predestination and free will, while it ended up being criticised as predetermination. It’s a fringe belief among Sunnis, while nearly all subscribed, and still do, to Qadar. Kasb is nothing more than nicely wrapped in confusion Qadar. It is solely a Sunni belief and cherry picking from the Holy Quran doesn’t change anything. Every surah and ayat has a tafsir, they are not to be interpreted literally in support of particular belief at any given time. Textual literalism leads astray and causes injustices. Qadar is used as one of the arguments against commemorating such events. It is “forbidden” because everything is predestined at birth. Ibn Taymiyyah used it in one of his famous works in polemics with orthodox Muslims. It was refuted in turn in multiple answers to him. Ibn Taymiyyah is one of them and after him numerous Wahhabis use it. That’s because you’ve never heard of something, doesn’t render it not common. You are debating me, so why drag other people into it? Shia Chat is full of differing individuals with multitude of views on things. I’m writing things from the orthodox, non-Sufi Usuli Jafari Ithna’Asaiyah position. There’s an entire chapter dedicated solely to Bada’ in Usul al-Kafi. You can look there for a starter. Building up on the rest, Sunni belief in Qadar denies omnipotence of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), because everything is predetermined at birth and “can’t” be altered. It became so unsettling and problematic that al-Ashari came up with Kasb, which despite the efforts of his students was absorbed into the Qadar belief anyways. The two are nearly indistinguishable to anyone who studies Sunni theology. This is where we come to conclusion why entire Sunni theology should be rejected. The “people of tradition” that can’t be agreed upon at all. You sound to some degree like Athari, then Maturidi but you try to use Ash’arite arguments in this particular subject. Thanks for explaining nothing to me. I know the Sunni theology because I study it since years. It’s contradictory and this is where the major problem arises on how one can attain any chance of salvation when, allegedly within the same religion, there’s SO MANY differing theological beliefs in Sunnism, and no, historically they weren’t at peace and couldn’t be reconciled. Maturidi, Ash’ari, Athari, Muʿtazila, Qadariyah, Jahmis, Murji'ah, Bishriyyah and others, add to it madahib Hanafi, Hanbali, Shafi’i, Maliki, Zahiri, Jariri, Laythi, Awza'i, Thawri, Qurtubi.
  7. Obsession with “sunnah” while after 1400 years, four madahib can’t even agree on how the Prophet prayed. Wearing head covering is not wajib for men in Jafari fiqh. Besides, we as a muqalids follow individual marja’ in regard to fiqh issues.
  8. There was never such a thing as “Islamic clothing”. Muslim way of dressing depends on geographical region they’ve found themselves in. When you look at Orientalist paintings from 18 and 19 centuries, it’s pretty evident that the clothes worn by Muslims differed considerably based on the geography, personal preferences etc. What’s modest today, wouldn’t be considered such before. Even today for one woman wearing niqab may be a symbol of modesty, while another one may dress more Western. By the way, Muslims of the past used to be relatively tolerant of many aspects of religion that today wouldn’t be widely accepted. Ironically, it’s the Western Victorian era norms brought over by the Europeans that caused Muslims to shift into more conservative paradigm on things, and because Muslims desired “modernisation”, they started adapting and absorbing Western ways of thinking into Islam.
  9. Sunni belief in predestination (Qadar) eventually leads to denial of Hell (Jahannam) because logically one can’t be punished over his life that was predestined for him at birth. This is a trap that Ibn Sina (“Avicenna”) fell in where after much thought, he rejected the existence of afterlife punishment. Therefore, for example Sunnis reject mourning over Imam Hussein (عليه السلام) martyrdom staring that it was predestined for him at birth. It’s a famous argument used by many Sunnis, including Wahhabis, against (Shia) Muslims. In contrast, orthodox (Shia) Muslims believe in bada’, alternation of divine will. Although we acknowledge that Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) knows the destiny of each person, it can be altered at any time through the use of person’s free will that Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) bestowed upon us all. People are not born or predisposed to be good or evil, it’s their choices that cause them to choose their behavioural patterns. Logically, if one is predestined to be evil, then he can’t be ever punished for his actions that he had no influence over.
  10. What this has to do with what I mentioned? The mosque is still named after the Cathedral’s original name, that’s derived straight from the Christian theology that we do not believe in.
  11. I overall find it funny how after the conversion the mosque is called Hagia Sophia Grand Mosque, while Hagia Sophia - Holy Wisdom - is a concept in Christian theology absent in Islam.
  12. He holds many odd and non-mainstream Shi’ite beliefs. He believes that many Azadari rituals are innovations, that Arbaeen shouldn’t be practised, that maraji’ allegedly accumulate wealth and therefore Khums should be reformed or abandoned, the Imam Mahdi's (عجّل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف) birth is allegedly difficult to prove using rijal and so on. He makes his popularity on making non-issues into issues, thrives on controversies while trying to “reform” the mainstream, orthodox Shi’ite scholarly curriculum.
  13. Prophet Muhammad ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) married a Coptic slave named Maria al-Qibtiyya, Maria the Copt. Imam Hussein (عليه السلام) was married to a Persian slave, Shahrbanu, the mother of Imam Ali ibn Hussein (عليه السلام). The mother of the seventh Imam (عليه السلام) was a Berber slave, et al. Who should we emulate if not the infallible successors? It’s more than clear that the “purity of an Arab bloodline” was not an issue at all, and we talk here about the purified, infallible ones. Berbers, Persians, Copts, Greeks, all were married into the Ahlul Bayt (عليه السلام). What’s more, they all became Muslims. Berbers from nativism, Persian from Zoroastrianism, Copts and Greeks from Christianity. By the way, this became a major problem among Indian and Pakistani communities who, instead of doing taqlid to a marja’, preoccupy their intellectual capabilities with making sure that the hierarchy is in place Hindu style.
  14. He was ironic pointing out that unlike Umar, his uncle at least was brave enough to not run away from the battlefield and he died fighting. We have no love for any enemies of Islam. Sahaba were not infallible, many of them turned apostates and innovators, as per Sunni ahadith. Many of them were opportunists and openly declared their hate for the Ahlul Bayt (عليه السلام), for example, al-Mughira.
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