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Gabenowa

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    Gabenowa got a reaction from Northwest in Conversion to Shi'ism   
    Thank you. I read a lot on al-Islam.org, though it's always Professors of theology who are interpreting the Imamate. I spent a lot of hours reading about Imam Ali because I realised I had to understand why this human being of a man is so loved and I was disappointed that I could not find anything he wrote. Everything I read is quoted by Imam Ali and clearly that man was incredibly gifted with wisdom. More wisdom than the Jesus Christ I was forced to read in the New Testament. But they are just quotes, I need a good book in which he wrote if mercifully there is one. A book that clearly sets out his beliefs and philosophy. Im not interested in the politics of Muyawia or so or Uthman and all these Arab tribes that fought over who is the Caliph of the Ummah. I dont care about such things, there is no difference between the tribal warfare of Arabs of that time and the Arab tribal politics of times gone by. What you see with Sunni's waging war Al-ASSAD or Saddam Hussein-Al tikirit waging war on his Shia majority executing Al-Sadr and everyone else with his chemical weapons is the continuation of the same Arab tribal politics. Saudi Arabia executed a Shia cleric in 2016, I read about it recently and there were protests and Iranians going mad burning the Saudi Embassy and I realised that Arabs are always fighting these tribal politics but they manipulate the Muslim world by using Islam to cloak their intra-tribal politics including these rotten Gulf Kings. Anyway thanks. I was just hoping for more faith in these books instead of Arab tribes fighting over their oil. 
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    Gabenowa got a reaction from Northwest in Conversion to Shi'ism   
    I understand your inability for my reasons in becoming an atheist. Experience is empirical. If you grew up as a native African in a Native African majority country but ruled by European settlers who take your land, push you into ghettoes, massacre you when you fight back and when I mean massacre I mean almost every year because you fight back when you regain strength, call you a "Kaffir" oh yes in my beautiful multi-racial democracy white people stole the arabic word and made it their own then listen to a white teacher at school teach you about the wonderful joys of jesus christ you start wondering when you get older what the hell was this white woman on about. Instead why do these white people teach us christian principles that they themselves never practice. White people never turn the other cheek as their christ  taught but Africans always turn the other cheek. Anyway point Im making is you dont know South Africa and if you do do not be fooled by Mandela and all those traitors. They are house niggers. The white man gave them a seat at his table and some crumbs. I'll stop there coz you have no clue.
    Slavery is a terrible reality, and I will not justify tolerating it no matter which prophet or angel or philosopher justifies it. Its such things that make atheism justifiable because any religion or prophet or angel who speaks of slavery in gentle terms is no better than Satan in my mind. Im often amused, like really really, amused that who is that dude again? Bilal or something? The first muezzin was Ethiopian or whatever was a slave or mamluk or whatever? It makes me laugh because the first black man (if Ethiopians are black) Ethiopians are not exactly Sub-Saharan African they seem more semitic and their language is semitic just like Somalians and the rest from the horn of africa ANYWAY the first black man IN ISLAM was a SLAVE. its as funny as it is pathetic and to be honest as much as I view the white man as I have experienced him I at times view arabs just the same irrespective that their language is divine and that unfortunately Allah could not find another race of people to transmit his "Holy Quran" I find it really unfortunate and curiously amusing. it seems your Allah as a dark sense of humour. 
    And brother, I have researched a lot into the slave times of the ARABS, Black Africa was the slave till today. Thats the thing when you become an atheist or really really grow into hatred of people whom you see as oppressing Black people not only in my country but across the world which is why I can understand when other groups of ethnic peoples are oppressed whether they be religious, connected to islam or not, whether they still exist in primitive stone age tribal structures like Aborigines in Australia or Native Americans across the Americas or Hazara people in Pakistan or lower caste Dhalit Indians in Hindu India, OPPRESSION IS OPPRESSION ESPECIALLY WHEN IT IS RACIAL. If you knew the history of South Africa you would understand why in South Africa RACE IS EVERYTHING even when it is not you cant help but have hair trigger racial sensitivities unless you are a black person who forgets that he or she is black. BECAUSE ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD BLACK PEOPLE WHO FORGET THEY ARE BLACK, SUFFER.  Zanj people in the Arab world till today still suffer. I watch documentaries on it.
    I was even shocked that Arabs of African descent- Afro Arabs- in Palestine suffer racial discrimination. So I must support Palestinians when they are oppressed by Zionists yet they oppress my people because anyone who is black is MY PEOPLE. Do you know in Yemen those Afro-Arabs can only find work as garbage collectors? or in Libya where Africans were being slave traded agaiN?
    One of my closest friends is a Berber, from Kabyle in Algeria, right here in Pretoria, you'll be shocked at the races of the world you find in South Africa, HE HATES ARABS like every Berber I have met in South Africa since the 2010 world cup HATES ARABS which is sad because the Berber general who conquered Al-Andulus for Caliphate of that time was a Berber general by the name of Jabal Tarik- it was corrupted in GIBRALTAR.
    and if I find that verse in the Koran "that implies" that Allah hates slavery, I will know that someone is lying, your Prophet is a liar or Allah is a liar. one of the two because this Allah that has been so eloquently described can only "imply" that slavery might not be good. 
    I understand, you dont understand racism the way  I do. Since South Africa attracts people from all over the world, Europeans are always NUMBER 1-Asians NUMBER 2 and whatever else exists that is not Black African but Black Africans are always on the bottom LEVEL of anything and everything so please dont mind me when racism gets me mad to the point when it has affected how I see religion. if you suffered what we suffered, believe me, last thing you would ever do is bow down to the Gods of the white man and anyone else.
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    Gabenowa got a reaction from Northwest in Conversion to Shi'ism   
    I became an atheist/agnostic because of the way "God" was taught to me through "jesus christ". If you ever heard or read Fidel Castro explain why he was an atheist it was because of the role of the Catholic Church in Cuba supporting the rich over the poor. Its not exactly the same as me but we were taught that Jesus is white and therefore as the son of God, believe it or not God is white so we can steal your rich resources and land and turn you into slaves. They didnt say in words but that is the meaning of it all. I don't like Shia culture or identity. I love and admire the Shia thought. As well as Sufi thought. Both mystical and scientific. Culture and identity would have me mimicking Arabs or Persians. Im neither. I'm African and a zanj and my reading of Arabs in the North of Africa is that they see Zanj as mamluk. I know Zanj Muslims in my country, they like to speak and conduct themselves as Arabs which I despise. I dont like Arabs, I like the ones from the golden age of Islam and some of the brightest pioneers of Islam in its Golden Age were not Arabs but Kurds and Persians. Arabs today think they are Islamic monarchy. They might have all the oil for a million years and have the divine language but they are mere flesh and matter like everyone.
    I don't like religious dogma that is illogical. As much as every Muslim can agree that the Koran was transmitted from God, what about the parts that are illogical? There are slaves in the Koran as much as there is in the bible. Slavery today? Yes it still happens in the North of Africa where Arabs reside but can you really really support slavery using the Koran? Of course not but there is. I reject that part of the Koran because it is illogical. Shia Islam is the faith of the logical, the rational, the truthful, the scientific, the believers and those who know God through reason. Doesn't that give me the right to question and reject that which I find not logical and rational? I try and read as much as I can about Shia Islam.
    Some parts I skip, like the 12 Imams and their names and what they did because honestly I don't see what difference they make in my life. Im not doubting they were incredible people but their stories tend to become so Arab politics I get bored. It's the living Imams of today that teach about Islamic philosophy, knowing God through reason such as science and logic that I enjoy. I enjoy the theology of Shi'ism because that is the philosophical thought on which the whole religion rests on the foundation. Shia Islam is a beautiful religion, the most beautiful religion I have ever discovered but it is not perfect. Nothing is perfect in this world except the truth of science.
    And what in the heavens is people beating themselves with chains to mourn the death of Hussayn? Cutting their foreheads open till they bleed? That's the type of fanaticism I want to avoid. I'm pretty sure that has nothing to do with the spiritual and intellectual foundations of this faith.
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    Gabenowa got a reaction from Zainuu in Islam ON THE EQUATOR   
    I like Sufism because the day I understand it, I will be able to withdraw into myself without going crazy or having a psychological break down because South Africa is not a country where you can easily withdraw into yourself. Churches are social institutions and those who don’t like religion, tend to have social institutions of alcohol and the "good time". Both I have distanced myself from. Maybe brother it is the Sufi of Iran you don’t like, I don’t know how well travelled you are but I have never been out of Africa, much less South Africa. There are Sufi's in Cape Town, I forgot their Arabic term. I don’t know what order they follow but Im planning on researching them. Sufi philosophy seems like a philosophy of peace. Just pure peace being able to meditate and deal with the pressures of the capitalist world and escape materialism for a little while. I don’t know how much they deviate from even Shia orthodoxy but Sufi philosophy seems to be more in tune with Shia thought. The two don’t clash at all. Sufi philosophy doesnt have written texts and rituals and all of that. It seems its more for the individual than a group of people.
    Its impossible to compete with the petro-dollars of Saudi Arabia. Iran doesnt have that much oil capacity compared with the oil in the Eastern Provinces of Saudi Arabia. Wahhabism will spread far and wide but more thinking people will revert. You can’t be Shia without an intellect. Its impossible. Its actually an education reality, the uneducated are easier to suck into Wahhabism while the educated can handle the volume of intellect required in Shia Islam.
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    Gabenowa got a reaction from Zainuu in Islam ON THE EQUATOR   
    Alright I watched that video in that old post. Some cultures do take their deviations from orthodoxy way way to the extreme. In fact I doubt they even engage intellectually with Islam. I was just impressed with the Sufi influence on the Indonesian Muslims. Its far better than Wahhabism which envelopes people's minds from across the world. Rather people within their set islands and jungles practice their deviations because those deviations will never leave their little islands or jungles. But instill orthodoxy, Sunni orthodoxy is Wahhabism of some sort. In fact I can’t tell the difference between Wahhabism and Sunnism anymore because Saudi Arabia has instilled itself as the centre of Sunnism.  They become soldiers, anytime anywhere you are called to go fight in a JIhad and because you were trained in the severe orthodoxy of Sunnism you go fight. But these deviants, no one can get to them.
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    Gabenowa got a reaction from Zainuu in Islam ON THE EQUATOR   
    The trade winds that first blew Islam eastwards to the coasts of India and China appear to have completely bypassed the archipelago. The followers of the Prophet (عليه السلام) arrived late on the islands of Sumatra and Java and without any trace of sand on their sandals. The first Muslim tombs in Northern Sumatra only date back to the 13th century and there is no convincing evidence to suggest sizeable Muslim settlements before that time. The first Muslim migration to the region was from 9th century China. A peasant uprising in South China during the reign of T'ang Emperor Hi-Tsang (878-889) led to a pogrom of the dominant merchant-traders community in Khanfu (Canton) between 120,000 and 200,000 Muslims were massacred. Many survivors fled and reached the Malayan coast and some crossed the straits to the Islands.
    Purist Muslims everywhere like to think of their ancestors as either being descended from or being converted by the purest of the pure: the Arabs, the 1st Muslims of the faith or atleast acknowledged Muslims of the faith because even though Ibrahim (عليه السلام) was supposedly the first Muslim fact is it is not acknowledged anywhere else except in the Holy Qu'ran but in a historical context no such exists.
    The nine founding fathers (Wali) of missionary Islam in Indonesia were mostly Chinese. Later there were migrations from coastal Gujurat in Western India, a natural outcome of the Gujurati monopoly of the Moluccan spice trade, and from the Malabar coast. I've always noticed Indonesians have this strong Chinese resemblance as well as elements of Indian genes. Some of the descendants of Indonesian Muslims (mixed race, Coloured) in Cape Town tend to reflect this. Indian Muslims in South Africa are light, light like Persians while the dark Indians so dark they are blacker than black people are Hindus. The only dark Indian Muslims are those whose genes are mixed with black Africans. I've always found their women so beautiful but their all-black female Muslim attire scares me off. 
    It would take Islam another three hundred years to win over the bulk of the population of Java and Sumatra. Islam inserted itself gently like Buddhism and Hinduism had done several centuries earlier. It was South Asian Sufi mystics and Muslim traders from the Cuomandel coast and Gujurat who began to win converts and as in the case of Kashmir, it was the conversion of a ruler that won over his subjects as well.
    Islam's capacity to adjust its doctrinal beliefs to meet the needs of the indigenous population had been effective in China, Africa (?), Persia and South Asia. It is also the main explanation for its rapid spread throughout the islands of Indonesia. I was always curious how in the world this country is the largest Muslim country in the world by population, 190 million Muslims last count I ever saw. and its people do not resemble Arabs at all. Some Muslim Sultans of Java were often elevated to sainthood after their deaths and their tombs became an important site of worship for believers, without provoking clerical fury. This was as similar to the worship of Sufi Saints in the Punjab or Persia and apparently Anatolia. The reaction of "orthodox" believers was sometimes severe but their numbers were few and far from snuffling out the old traditions they were always in danger of drowning in them. Prior to the arrival of Buddhism and its successor Hinduism, the indigenous populations had (as in all ethnic native populations who have experienced mass deaths at the hands of the European) believed in a world controlled by spirits. According to native traditions these beings inhabited forests and rivers and seas and mountains. Their anger explained natural disasters. Goodwill could be bought through sacrifices and ill-will neutralised by wearing charms and amulets and investing shamans with magical powers. Superstitions became a part of everyday life like everywhere. Since it was widely believed that many spirits spoke through women they were assigned an important role in religious rituals and hence in the local power structure. 
    This could also explain, weird as it may be,  the emergence of transvestite cults: men dressing as women for reasons political and cultural rather than sexual. That superstition and cultural way of life is way too weird to understand.
    Buddhism and Hinduism had assimilated many of these superstitions and the Sufi variant of Islam continued to tolerate these practices. 
    Sufi philosophy often explained Allah's permanent presence in nature and in everyday life of human beings. A collective worship was not essential. Each believer could discover Allah in his/her own special way. Ibn Arabi (1165-1240), one of the great mystical philosophers of Islam, developed the doctrine of the Unity of Being, a belief in the creator being visible in different aspects of nature and the human spirit and the possibility of a perfect man, in whom all the attributes of the divine being were present. The mysticism suited the Ottoman sultans at a time when they were busy in non-mystical activities such as militarily expanding their empire. Sultan Selim the 1st floated orthodoxy by ordering the rebuilding of Ibn Arabi's mausoleum in Damascus. Some of Ibn Arabi's followers took his argument to the extreme, arguing that real knowledge of Allah only became possible when men and women reached the pinnacle of ecstasy, which could be both sexual and non-physical. A version of this (where alcohol substituted for the joys of union) was preached in Western Sumatra by Hamza Fansuri in the 16th century: 
    his radiance is a blazing glow In all of us 
    It is He who is the cup and the arak (alcohol)
    Do not look for him for away, child
    This was both reassuring and helpful, as was the Sufi insistence on a teacher-disciple relationship within their different orders. The semi-worship of the holy teacher was appreciated in a culture which had already experienced centuries of Hindu and Buddhist dominance. Sufi philosophy was undoubtedly much simplified in the process of transmission, but the essence was preserved in the most noticeable aspect of this mysticism: 
    it preached total independence from sectarian religious groups and all orthodox interpretations of the Holy Qu'ran. It despised RITUAL. 
    many mystics argued that orthodox believers had to be hypocrites because they sealed off their faith from their own daily practices in the material world. A Sufi by contrast insisted that the creator only dwelt in the inner realm of spirit and thus sought to break with and shame the outer world of matter. he refused to accept an Allah who was only on the outside.
    Sufi teachers often explained mystical ideas to native adherents in a language that deployed familiar points of reference. For the large majority of believers, apart from the discipline of new rituals, Islam simplified their existence. The spirits did not need to be placated by sacrifices or the worship of a whole network of gods and goddesses but through worship of Allah and his Prophet (عليه السلام). Many of the old superstitions refused to die. To this day in many coastal villages, fishermen offer a token sacrifice to the spirits of the sea before they embark on a journey. 
    From Sumatra and Java, Islam leap-frogged to Borneo and other neighbouring islands. The Muslim navy of Macassar took Islam to the frontiers of civilisation, from which if they had pushed further..... they would have moved into Papau New Guinea and from there across to the north coasts of Australia. The white man from Europe through his Dutch East Indies Company prevented all of that and disrupted History as is their do and wont.
    The belated arrival of Islam had affected how religion was perceived and practiced. The abangan believed in a relaxed, syncretic version, which accepts the Prophet (عليه السلام) and the Book but without abandoning the rituals, habits and traditions of previous centuries and other religions. 
    The santri is more rigid in his beliefs, refusing to accept the demarcation line between divine truth and reason, between unquestioning obedience and intellectual tolerance. 
    This same pattern is detected in other parts of the Islamic world. Every culture penetrated by Islam has produced similar divisions and from the earliest of times. In the Maghreb, West Africa and South Asia one can uncover local variants of "abangan" and "santri". In each case it is the versions of the "santri" who find it difficult to co-exist with fellow co-religionists and who argue incessantly on the interpretation of texts and laws.
    Islam, in its original meaning and purpose, is a religion of 'peace'. Whether "Sunni" or "Shia" though Shia is the most peaceful based on evidence and Sunni is the version of Empire (war). In such parts of the world like Java and Sumatra this is where you find the most genuine practice of Islam because Islam is whatever it is to them the way they see, feel and practice it. All this literalist rubbish interpretations sectarian practice of Islam is not Islam. That's just politics usually by Arabs with a lot of oil money (petrodollars) to give their dogs around the world whether in Syria, Iraq, Pakistan or Afghanistan and elsewhere to fight their wars irrespective of the human cost. Islam is personal and whichever community (ummah) a person chooses to join is personal based on their specific spiritual needs. Some people like to practice it almost literally according to every word in the Holy Qu'ran which is fine as long as your beliefs doesnt mean you join or start an organisation that wants to blow up other human beings because they choose to practice it according to their specific spirtual needs. The Islam in Java and Sumatra is authentic because they are who they are. It doesnt matter who it is, those pathetic Arabs in Saudi Arabia or the Ayatollahs in Iran no one has the right to impose their Islam on others who practice their Islam they way they feel it. 
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    Gabenowa got a reaction from Northwest in Islam ON THE EQUATOR   
    I like Sufism because the day I understand it, I will be able to withdraw into myself without going crazy or having a psychological break down because South Africa is not a country where you can easily withdraw into yourself. Churches are social institutions and those who don’t like religion, tend to have social institutions of alcohol and the "good time". Both I have distanced myself from. Maybe brother it is the Sufi of Iran you don’t like, I don’t know how well travelled you are but I have never been out of Africa, much less South Africa. There are Sufi's in Cape Town, I forgot their Arabic term. I don’t know what order they follow but Im planning on researching them. Sufi philosophy seems like a philosophy of peace. Just pure peace being able to meditate and deal with the pressures of the capitalist world and escape materialism for a little while. I don’t know how much they deviate from even Shia orthodoxy but Sufi philosophy seems to be more in tune with Shia thought. The two don’t clash at all. Sufi philosophy doesnt have written texts and rituals and all of that. It seems its more for the individual than a group of people.
    Its impossible to compete with the petro-dollars of Saudi Arabia. Iran doesnt have that much oil capacity compared with the oil in the Eastern Provinces of Saudi Arabia. Wahhabism will spread far and wide but more thinking people will revert. You can’t be Shia without an intellect. Its impossible. Its actually an education reality, the uneducated are easier to suck into Wahhabism while the educated can handle the volume of intellect required in Shia Islam.
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    Gabenowa got a reaction from Northwest in Islam ON THE EQUATOR   
    Alright I watched that video in that old post. Some cultures do take their deviations from orthodoxy way way to the extreme. In fact I doubt they even engage intellectually with Islam. I was just impressed with the Sufi influence on the Indonesian Muslims. Its far better than Wahhabism which envelopes people's minds from across the world. Rather people within their set islands and jungles practice their deviations because those deviations will never leave their little islands or jungles. But instill orthodoxy, Sunni orthodoxy is Wahhabism of some sort. In fact I can’t tell the difference between Wahhabism and Sunnism anymore because Saudi Arabia has instilled itself as the centre of Sunnism.  They become soldiers, anytime anywhere you are called to go fight in a JIhad and because you were trained in the severe orthodoxy of Sunnism you go fight. But these deviants, no one can get to them.
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    Gabenowa got a reaction from Northwest in how do Shia feel about the nation of Islam   
    They believed that those who express hate of black people like the Ku klux klan are the honest whites because they don’t pretend. Malcolm and the Nation of Islam at the time believed that the solution to the race problem in America was wholesale separation of black and white completely. Mecca ofcourse changed all of that.
    In South Africa, English-speaking people are the most polite human beings, incredibly polite. They are the descendants of people from England. But that also makes them the most dangerous creatures on earth. Their hate is hidden behind smiles. An English-man can shake your hand and then go wash his hands behind your back because as a black African I am "filfthy". They never keep promises, business that is, they never tell the truth. They are manipulative, all the while never losing his or her charm, and they can really really use a human being then discard you like trash once they are done with you. The white english-speaking girls will only date black men even marry black men if she can see that she can use his esteemed elite status in society to further advance herself.
    the descendants of Dutch people in South Africa, they call themselves "AFRIKANERS" meaning White African, are like the Ku Klux klan. Their hate and violence against black people is vicious and brutal. Really really brutal. But atleast you know where you stand with the Afrikaner. He never lies, never pretends and he keeps his word. If you engage in business with him, you know he will keep his side of the bargain. But also when he is not racist, you know it is genuine because their kindness and smiles are truly genuine. These Afrikaners do not pretend. If he hates you he really hates you, and if he loves you as an equal human being then his love and genuine humanity can be amazing. 
    Thats what Malcolm saw in the KKK. Genuine white men whose hate was not pretentious and they could come to an agreement.
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    Gabenowa got a reaction from Northwest in how do Shia feel about the nation of Islam   
    Since you are white as you say LET ME EDUCATE YOU ON SOMETHING. BLACK PEOPLE WHEREVER THEY ARE ON THIS EVIL PLANET ARE NOT AND CAN NEVER BE RACIST. A ZANJ can only be PREJUDICE AGAINST ANY HUMAN BEING FROM ANY RACE WHO EXERCISES RACISM AGAINST A BLACK PERSON BECAUSE IT IS FASHIONABLE TO DO SO. MORE TO THE POINT, BLACK PEOPLE, IN AFRICA AND ALL OVER THIS EVIL PLANET WHERE THEY RESIDE AS THE DESCENDANTS OF SLAVES ARE ONLY PREJUDICE BECAUSE THEY REACT TO A THOUSAND YEARS OF OPPRESSION BY SPECIFICALLY THE WHITE MAN BUT NOT HIM ALONE. AFRICANS ALONG WITH THEIR PROGENY WORLDWIDE ARE NOT, HAVE NEVER BEEN AND WILL NEVER BE RACIST. IF YOU UNDERSTOOD AFRICAN CULTURE, YOU'D UNDERSTAND RACISM IS NOT A PART OF THE UNIVERSAL CULTURE INHERENT IN EVERY BLACK AFRICAN HUMAN BEING.
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    Let me tell you a few things my fellow brethren, the Nation of Islam, yes today it means nothing to me, but let me inform you of a few facts, the Nation of Islam appeared at a time when the African man in America, the descendants of slaves in America called African-Americans were in a need of redemption and hope. They were in a need of rejuvenation. They were in a need of faith. They needed a vehicle with which to cling to at that time so they could once again remember who they are, where they come from and where they are going as an African people in America. It was the Nation of Islam that gave them that regardless of their cookoo ideas about religious doctrines in relation to Islam proper. Do not forget my fellow brothers that even Sunnism is a corruption of the faith that Imam Ali (عليه السلام) bestowed upon thee through the house he left behind. the black man, since I am black and African, needed to connect with his God and his soul. I know how it feels to hate oneself because the anti-black reality that has been created around you has been created so that one may destroy himself and everybody around him so long as they are not white but black. Make no mistake, institutionalised racism is not about calling a person a "[Edited Out]" or a in my beautiful native South Africa a "kaffir" and leaving it there. It is not just emotional or physical but psychological as well. psychological so that the white man no longer has to physically beat you himself or call you names so that YOU AS A BLACK MAN CAN BEAT YOURSELF DOWN ALMOST LITERALLY AND BEAT OTHER BLACK PEOPLE DOWN NOT JUST PHYSICALLY BUT IN THE WAY BLACK PEOPLE RELATE TO EACH OTHER.
    White people call Africans in my country "monkeys" and they are right to call us "monkeys" because they were so successful in breeding self-hate in almost each and every one of us that we believe that the meaning of life is to emulate the white man in everything we do. We speak like him, we dress like him, we want to drive the same cars as him and we believe as long as the white man is near us everything will be okay. 
    This is the type of rubbish that the Nation of Islam intended to destroy in the African-American because there are lot of similarities between African-Americans and Africans of South Africa. Malcolm X once said to the black man: YOU ARE DEAD TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF YOUR God, YOU ARE DEAD TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF YOURSELVES AND THAT THE WHITE MAN HAS MADE DEAD SOULS OUT OF YOU AND I. Which is true and you know what the white man has succeeded from here to the great American empire. Everything you see with Black Americans today is exactly what the Nation of Islam fought against. The original nation of Islam. It appeared at a time when the likes OF martin luther king was telling the American Negro to TURN THE OTHER CHEEK TO THE BRUTALITY OF THE WHITE MAN. WHEN MALCOLM X WAS TELLING AMERICAN NEGROES THAT: BROTHER, IF ANYONE LAYS A HAND ON YOU, YOU BEST SEE TO IT THAT HE NEVER LAYS HIS HAND ON ANYONE ELSE AGAIN. The nation of Islam at the time of Malcolm X gave the African-American pride and knowledge about himself irrespective of their deviations from true Islam.
    It made the black man a MAN AGAIN SO ALHAMDULILAH FOR THE NATION OF Islam AND FOR MALCOLM X. you must watch the movie directed by Spike Lee featuring DENZEL WASHINGTON AS MALCOLM X FOR A CLEAR PERSPECTIVE. it even saved his life. Malcolm X was a criminal, a derelict, a victim of the american social order before landing in prison and being redeeemed by the honourable Elijah Muhammad. KNOW THE TRUTH!
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    Gabenowa got a reaction from Northwest in how do Shia feel about the nation of Islam   
    But racism and whatever else, slavery and colonialism, does not detract from the fact that every Black African, whether in Africa or not, is a human being like anyone else. Capable of manipulating "vitctimhood" to serve an evil agenda. Like every human being, a Zanj is an individual and should be judged according to his individual characteristics. In essence, he or she should be judged according to his or her essence. Some Africans are capable of manipulating the sad history of racism to serve their own hidden agendas. You see it with what the Nation of Islam has become today. You saw it with Barack Hussein Obama. They threw a black face on the American Empire and some of us (me included) got fooled while nothing changed. They under his direction bombed and increased brutal drone strikes on innocent civilians. He bombed Libya under the pretext of "democracy" and destroyed that country completely even though he was warned by African governments to not do that because the consequences would be civil war. Thats the problem of racism, it allows evil black men to flourish.
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    I have seen innocent white people in my country get hurt and they did not deserve to be hurt at all. I've witnessed white people speak out against injustice and they are told to "shut up" because they don’t know what they are talking about. I've had school mates who were white, but they were so pure, so genuine as human beings that I stopped seeing the "white" on them. I saw genuine human beings. I have witnessed white kids suffer psychological break downs because they turned against the hate that their parents taught them. Turning against your own parents, I know from personal experience, turning against creeds and teachings which are plainly wrong can have devastating consequences for the psyche. That's why the NOI  is redundant today. It means nothing. Times have changed, Times will always change. Yesterdays truths are todays lies. Yesterdays lies are todays truths.
    But the words of Imam Ali(peace be upon him) I am realising as I study them eveyday defy time and space. They are timeless. They are not archaic meaning their truth does not expire or become victim to the ever changing realities of time. But certain human beings like Malcolm X were the heroes and the victims of their own times and who can judge them? They were mere human beings who knew that their time was limited and would not even live to see their children graduate from high school. That time is gone as time operates no other way. What is needed is pure truth, truth that cannot be a victim of time and space. Truths that are forever.
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    Gabenowa got a reaction from Panzerwaffe in how do Shia feel about the nation of Islam   
    The views about the superiority of the "black man" by the Nation of Islam was just a knee-jerk reaction against white racism in the United States. They wanted to respond to hate with hate. respond with "superiority" to "superiority". Thats why Malcolm left the Nation of Islam. His presence and performance of Hajj opened his eyes to the truth. He realised that respond with hate to hate was a road to nothingness. Hence on his return from Saudi Arabia he made this statement:
    I am not a racist 
    In the past I permitted myself to be used to make sweeping indictments of all white people, the entire white race and these generalisations have caused injuries to some whites who perhaps did not deserve to be hurt.
    Because of the spiritual enlightment which I was blessed to receive as the result of my recent pilgrimage to the Holy City of Mecca, I no longer subscribe to sweeping indictments of any one race.
    I am now striving to live the life of a true Sunni Muslim. I must repeat that I am not a racist nor do I subscribe to the tenets of racism.
    I can state in all sincerity that I wish nothing but freedom, justice and equality, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all people."
     
  15. Haha
    Gabenowa got a reaction from wolverine in Who is always here?    
    Show me the way to the truth so I can get the hell out of here please!
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    Gabenowa got a reaction from hasanhh in Who is always here?    
    Show me the way to the truth so I can get the hell out of here please!
  17. My Prayers
    Gabenowa got a reaction from Zellali in Conversion to Shi'ism   
    I am an atheist/agnostic bra. Except I am tired of living without insight. I think the hatred, ignorance etc etc you mentioned has to do more with their local cultures than the religion. One of the most fascinating facts of Islam I have discovered is that in each individual local setting influences the practice of the religion. Example I have found the twelver Shiism practiced in Iran to be the most scientifically advanced Islamic practice and indeed religion anywhere in the world. I am not a fan however of any religion being used to run a country. Having said that, what influences the Islamic Republic of Iran is their advanced Persian culture. Persians are a gift to the world. Their pre-Islamic inventions merged with Shiism to create a wonderful sect of Islam, the most advanced. At the same time I have found Indian Shiism to be the most mystical strain of Islam I never thought could exist because I thought Islam was Wahhabi-Salafi. The type that created Al-Qaeda, the Taliban and Daesh. Indian Shiism is influenced by the most mystical Sufi's. You wont find Sufism that mystical anywhere in the world. and I never even been to India. That is because Indian Islam is influenced by Hinduism. Indians are a mystical people. Its who they are. What I dont see in Indian Shiism is science. So everybody on Shiachat just like all Shia's all over the world are influenced by their local setting such as what they have been taught, their culture and upbringing. Even Nationalism plays a part. I found Shia Islam because my own culture and the Catholics who "educated" me let me down. My culture and my Catholic upbringing has no concept of truth. In fact I discovered that within myself I have no truth which is why I started reading deeply into Shiism because I read somewhere that the concept of truth in the Koran is powerful but it has been destroyed by the mullahs.
  18. Confused
    Gabenowa got a reaction from shia farm girl in Through the Eye of the Needle   
    During these 3 months I have been studying Shia Islam, something that has always bothered me about Islam has turned into a permanent skepticism coupled with certain psychological and personality traits I have encountered on this chat site. It's how Arab nationalism is directly and subliminally promoted in the Qu'ran and the doctrines, thought and spirituality of Shi'ism. I realised it begins with the word "Allah" and note Im only referring to the word and not what the word represents because the word itself represents a concept. I was chatting with a Berber from Algeria (Kabyle) right here in South Africa where he owns a business establishment (its a nightclub where people go to drink and party)  and I asked him "Elias, are you Muslim?" He replied "No, not really", I asked him "why not"? He replied that "don’t tell me to believe in a religion of Arabs who came to my land to oppress me" .  I asked him another question "do you believe in Allah?" His response which merits careful consideration was "doesnt matter what you call God, if you believe in God then thats all that matters irrespective of what name you use". 
    A fact which cannot be denied or thrown into the dustbin of history is how the word Allah originated. Allah was originally a male pagan God in mecca right there in the Ka'aba before the Qu'ran raised him to the "all knowing all wise Allah" that every Muslim seems to be his media communications officer. I find it slightly confusing, with the Shia definition of God, perhaps on papers as a concept that Allah, taking into consideration Imam Ali's quite detailed definition of this Allah that he is after all A HE! Is it perhaps that he is a HE! that patriarchy and the oppression of the female gender is quite justified in Islam because "surely the all knowing all wise Allah" is always presented as a male. Once a concept, I use the word concept because Im typing from without and not from within.  once a concept is presented as a male then it reasons that the attitudes of those who have presented him as a male will justify their insecure manhoods because the "all knowing all wise Allah" after all a male. Before you lecture me on the Shia concept of Allah, let me be clear that I fully understand it. Including Imam Ali's quite detailed thesis on the concept of Allah. It's just a tad bit hypocritical to present this concept of Allah as 
    "Praise belongs to God, who did not originate from anything, nor did He bring what exists into being from anything. His beginninglessness is attested to by the temporality of things, His power by the impotence with which He has branded them, and His everlastingness by the annihilation which He has forced upon them. No place is empty of Him that He might be perceived through localisation, no object is like HIm that He might be described by quality, nor is He absent from anything that He might be known through situation etc etc" 
    note how this Allah is constantly praised as being unique and all yet he is a he he he he he he him this him that he must be obeyed he is all knowing all wise, just note how quite detailed Imam Ali presented his thesis on Allah yet how incredibly contradictory it is when he is a HE! This by the way is not a personal attack on Imam Ali neither is it a personal attack on the religion. This disclaimer is presented to the intellectually feeble. To those who are so insecure about themselves that Islam (Shia) is their only secure identity and that pointing out contradictions is seen as a threat to their own fragile identities in a world in which capitalism has created so much death and destruction that religion is the only escapist fantasy left. I understand. I just cannot stand contradictions in texts which are presented to me as both beginning and end. That is not true, it has never been true and it will never be true.
    Have you ever wondered why in Christianity, God had a son but not a daughter. If God is a HE then it stands to reason that of course God would want to have a son because the human male attitude is that you want a son as a successor.. Here it is clear that the God of Christianity in impregnating the Virgin Mary is a mere figmentation of whatever male mind or male minds created Christianity. The fact that the son of God had to be male and had the mother a VIRGIN since religious minds have always conceived in their pathetic male insecure selves that a woman must be pure blah blah etc etc..... If women created Christianity, you can bet both your kidneys that God would have bequeathed to the world a daughter.
    Why is it that all the Prophets are male? Unless I am mistaken, from Judaism right down to Islam, the Prophets are all male. Men. From Abraham to Mohammed, does God only speak to men? Are women so inferior that God deems their ears so impure that they are unworthy of his voice? Note I used the masculine tense to refer to God, the irony is not lost on me because that is the way I was taught about God from Judaism right down to Islam God is a HE. So everything done to women is justifiable because hey, don’t forget, Allah is Him right? unless He wants to bequeath a child to the world then a Virgin Mary is included in the holy texts to handle the birth part. 
    I started this post to speak about the undeniable reality of Arab Nationalism in Islam, direct and subliminal, both conscious and subconcious and unconscious subliminal signals through their language but I got distracted about this disturbing reality of women in Islam and infact all these religions where Father Abraham is the Patriarch. I'll come back to Arabs a bit later on, need to research that one properly.
  19. Haha
    Gabenowa got a reaction from Murtaza1 in Through the Eye of the Needle   
    During these 3 months I have been studying Shia Islam, something that has always bothered me about Islam has turned into a permanent skepticism coupled with certain psychological and personality traits I have encountered on this chat site. It's how Arab nationalism is directly and subliminally promoted in the Qu'ran and the doctrines, thought and spirituality of Shi'ism. I realised it begins with the word "Allah" and note Im only referring to the word and not what the word represents because the word itself represents a concept. I was chatting with a Berber from Algeria (Kabyle) right here in South Africa where he owns a business establishment (its a nightclub where people go to drink and party)  and I asked him "Elias, are you Muslim?" He replied "No, not really", I asked him "why not"? He replied that "don’t tell me to believe in a religion of Arabs who came to my land to oppress me" .  I asked him another question "do you believe in Allah?" His response which merits careful consideration was "doesnt matter what you call God, if you believe in God then thats all that matters irrespective of what name you use". 
    A fact which cannot be denied or thrown into the dustbin of history is how the word Allah originated. Allah was originally a male pagan God in mecca right there in the Ka'aba before the Qu'ran raised him to the "all knowing all wise Allah" that every Muslim seems to be his media communications officer. I find it slightly confusing, with the Shia definition of God, perhaps on papers as a concept that Allah, taking into consideration Imam Ali's quite detailed definition of this Allah that he is after all A HE! Is it perhaps that he is a HE! that patriarchy and the oppression of the female gender is quite justified in Islam because "surely the all knowing all wise Allah" is always presented as a male. Once a concept, I use the word concept because Im typing from without and not from within.  once a concept is presented as a male then it reasons that the attitudes of those who have presented him as a male will justify their insecure manhoods because the "all knowing all wise Allah" after all a male. Before you lecture me on the Shia concept of Allah, let me be clear that I fully understand it. Including Imam Ali's quite detailed thesis on the concept of Allah. It's just a tad bit hypocritical to present this concept of Allah as 
    "Praise belongs to God, who did not originate from anything, nor did He bring what exists into being from anything. His beginninglessness is attested to by the temporality of things, His power by the impotence with which He has branded them, and His everlastingness by the annihilation which He has forced upon them. No place is empty of Him that He might be perceived through localisation, no object is like HIm that He might be described by quality, nor is He absent from anything that He might be known through situation etc etc" 
    note how this Allah is constantly praised as being unique and all yet he is a he he he he he he him this him that he must be obeyed he is all knowing all wise, just note how quite detailed Imam Ali presented his thesis on Allah yet how incredibly contradictory it is when he is a HE! This by the way is not a personal attack on Imam Ali neither is it a personal attack on the religion. This disclaimer is presented to the intellectually feeble. To those who are so insecure about themselves that Islam (Shia) is their only secure identity and that pointing out contradictions is seen as a threat to their own fragile identities in a world in which capitalism has created so much death and destruction that religion is the only escapist fantasy left. I understand. I just cannot stand contradictions in texts which are presented to me as both beginning and end. That is not true, it has never been true and it will never be true.
    Have you ever wondered why in Christianity, God had a son but not a daughter. If God is a HE then it stands to reason that of course God would want to have a son because the human male attitude is that you want a son as a successor.. Here it is clear that the God of Christianity in impregnating the Virgin Mary is a mere figmentation of whatever male mind or male minds created Christianity. The fact that the son of God had to be male and had the mother a VIRGIN since religious minds have always conceived in their pathetic male insecure selves that a woman must be pure blah blah etc etc..... If women created Christianity, you can bet both your kidneys that God would have bequeathed to the world a daughter.
    Why is it that all the Prophets are male? Unless I am mistaken, from Judaism right down to Islam, the Prophets are all male. Men. From Abraham to Mohammed, does God only speak to men? Are women so inferior that God deems their ears so impure that they are unworthy of his voice? Note I used the masculine tense to refer to God, the irony is not lost on me because that is the way I was taught about God from Judaism right down to Islam God is a HE. So everything done to women is justifiable because hey, don’t forget, Allah is Him right? unless He wants to bequeath a child to the world then a Virgin Mary is included in the holy texts to handle the birth part. 
    I started this post to speak about the undeniable reality of Arab Nationalism in Islam, direct and subliminal, both conscious and subconcious and unconscious subliminal signals through their language but I got distracted about this disturbing reality of women in Islam and infact all these religions where Father Abraham is the Patriarch. I'll come back to Arabs a bit later on, need to research that one properly.
  20. Confused
    Gabenowa got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Why do some sunnis hate shias?   
    Is it because Iran is populated mostly by Persians and Arabs feel threatened? I realised how Hazara people in Pakistan and Afghanistan are murdered the way the Zionists claim that they were murdered by the Nazi's. IS HATING SHIA'S JUST AN EXCUSE OF RACISM? As a ZANJ I see racism more clearly than anyone. and it seems that those who suffer from being Shia are always from other "races". Are not HAZARA really really different from the Pashtuns and everyone? Are they not a mongoloid race or something? And what about Iran? Don't Arabs and Persians have some sort of racial anymosity? I think racial tensions are a cover for sectarian violence. Throw in crazy salafists and everybody gets killed even other sunnis get blown up thats what covers it. To wreck a whole country like Syria because of one ALAWI FAMILY is too neat. Can a whole country be destroyed because the President is ALAWITE? NAH. Arabs want to destroy that Persian Islamic Republic.
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    Gabenowa got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Saudi/sudanese Writers Warn Of 'shi'ite Octopus   
    Omar al Bashir, that as*h*le, is a billionaire. How the h*ll does a President become a billionaire? On top of it he presided over that genocide over in the Darfur region many years ago against the Nilotic Black Africans. Most youth, young people of the Sudan see right through him. When he was in South Africa for an African Union summit a couple years ago the ICC had issued a warrant of arrest for him and since South Africa is signatory of the Rome Statute our courts issued a writ of arrest however our government let him fly out immediately. We should have arrested that black Arab jack a**. Oh Sudan needs Shia Islam irrespective what those fake Muslims who pretend to be conservative think. That government in the Khartoum presided over a genocide and mass killings against Black Africans both in the Darfur and in the South. Most young people HATE Omar-al Bashir, just like young people in Iran hate the Ayatollahs. anyway the Sudan needs Shia Islam, those Arabs there are incapable of thought. They cannot think. They are worse than animals, atleast animals have an excuse, they are animals! But that Omar-Al-Bashir is a piece of pure COW DUNG. Im surprised that the government of Iran would have anything to do with these stupid black arabs. He's no different to Rigi for Gods sake!
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    Gabenowa got a reaction from notme in The Rise of Wahhabism   
    From the 16th century onwards, the Arab peninsula and the Fertile Crescent had been under the rule of the Ottoman Empire. Cairo, Baghdad, Jerusalem and Damascus became Ottoman-Arab towns, governed by a bureaucracy appointed in Istanbul. Even though Mecca and Medina were under the direct jurisdiction of the Sultan-Caliph in Instanbul the pensinsula's primitive tribal structure and its geographical isolation reduced its economic and strategic attraction. It was neglected and never fully incorporated into the Ottaman Empire.
    The tribes both resented and exploited this lack of control. Old caravan routes were used by pilgrims on their way to the Holy Cities. The necessity to feed the pilgrims and provide them with lodgings helped but did not fully sustain the local economy. Some of the tribes organised protection rackets, as long as money changed pouches the safety of the pilgrims could be guaranteed. The more experienced pilgrims soon realised that the "pure souls of Mecca" were weren't worth a damn.
    It was in this context that a revivalist sect brought change and soon shook up the whole Arabian peninsula. Its inspiration was a young dude by the name of Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab. Bored with grazing cattle, he began to preach locally calling for a return to the "pure Islamic beliefs".
    He was opposed to the worship of the Prophet Muhammad (عليه السلام)
    Condemned Muslims who prayed at the shrines of holy men
    Criticized the custom of marking graves
    Stressed the 'Unity of One God'
    Called for an ultra-sectarian "Jihad" against other Muslims especially the  'Shia HERETICS'
    On their own these views were harmless. There had always been defenders or proponents of a 'pure Islam'. It was his social prescriptions that started causing problems. The amputation of thieves, Islamic punishment beatings (floggings), he started insisting that adulterers be stoned to death and the public beheadings of criminals that really started to rub the Arabs of that particular area up the wrong way in 1740. Religious leaders of the region started to object strongly when he began to practice what he preached. The Taliban and its fanatical brethren come to mind. Annoyed at this nonsense the emir of that particular region asked the preacher to leave the city. Ibn Wahhab travelled the region for the next four years, he visited Basra and Damascus to gain first hand experience of the laxity and looseness that the Ottomans had brought to Islam. He was not disappointed. Everywhere he travelled he noticed deviations from the "true faith". He also encountered like minded clerics who encouraged him in his beliefs. He became more than ever determined to "restore" Islam to its primitive "purity". This constant harking of a "pure Islam" is sheer fantasy, this "Islamic State" and Caliphs of today (al-Baghdadi) are living in realistic virtual realities. Fanatics have their own dreams whereby they create an image of whatever paradise they want to create. 
    In 1774 Ibn Wahhab arrived in another oasis city ruled by emir Muhammad Ibn Saud (his descendants would fight for and create Saudi Arabia). The emir was delighted to receive the preacher and realised that his charisma was infectious. The two men were made for each other. Ibn Saud became determined to monopolise both the man and his beliefs. He realised that these religious teachings might further his own personal military ambitions. Ibn Wahhab provided theological justification for everything that Ibn Saud wanted to achieve:
    a permanent "jihad" that involved looting other Muslim settlements and cities
    ignoring the sultan-caliph in Istanbul
    imposing a tough discipline on his own people (subjects)
    ultimately imposing his own brutal rule over neighbouring tribes in an attempt to unite the Arabian Peninsula under the rule of the Sauds for generations to come
    The emir and the preacher came to a mithaq (binding agreement) that is still honoured by their descendants to this day. Religious fanaticism in the service of political ambition. Ibn Saud demanded that however downright cynical it might be Ibn Wahhab should never prevent him from extracting the necessary taxes from his newly conquered victims. Ibn Wahhab assured him that Allah "promises benefits in the form of ghanima(loot) from the unbelievers (kafirs). The covenant between these new blood brothers was sealed by a wedding. One of Ibn Wahhabs daughters became one of Ibn Sauds numerous wives. The combination of fanaticism, military ruthlessness, political chicanery and the press-ganging of women is the foundation stone of the dynasty that rules Saudi Arabia today. The Saudi Arabia that funds Wahhabi-Salafi trained lunatics from Saudi itself, Iraq, Syria, the Taliban and lunatics in Pakistan and Kashmir.
    By 1792, the Saudi-Wahhabi forces had overcome the resistance of the neighbouring rulers of nearby Arab cities. They raided Karbala, killed five thousand of its inhabitants, looted individual homes and shrines and returned home in triump. The following year they invaded and massacred the population of the city of Taif. Following that year they invaded the city of Mecca and instructed the sharif (ancestor of the Husseins who rule Jordan today) to destroy the domed tombs of the Prophet (عليه السلام) and Caliphs. Wahhabi doctrine rejects exaggerated displays of tombstones. 
    The Albanian born Muhammad Ali arrived in Egypt as a young officer who was part of an Ottoman regiment of Albanian officers ready to fight the French. Napoleon's conquest of Egypt in 1798 was designed as the first step towards reversing Britains advances in India. The British invaded Egypt to back the Ottomans and the French withdrew three years later. Muhammad Ali heard how the French circumvented the power of the ruling elites by promoting local clerics to the status of representative of the people and how Napoleon planted a dagger through the hated tax system and generally adopted a friendlier attitude towards the Egyptian population more than the Ottoman functionaries. He also realised that the French only withdrew because Britain helped the Ottomans so he began to plot a coup patiently. After some years of skillful political plotting Muhammad Ali seized power in Egypt and established a dynasty. The Sultan-Caliph had no choice but to appoint him as the Wali. As long as he defended the interests of the Sultan-Caliph a grateful if not sulky Sultan left him alone.
    It was Muhammad Ali's forces that defeated the Wahhabi's, retook Mecca and Medina and drove them out of the Hijaz. Years later his son Ibrahim Pasha would drive them out of their home base. Even though the Wahhabis retook their home base, they'd have to rely on their alliance with British Imperialism a hundred years later to become a regional power again. Decades later during World War 2 the United States (the great Satan) would entrust them with the whole Arabian Peninsula after the discovery of oil.
    Isnt history amazing? How this Wahhabi rubbish that has inspired so much death and destruction began in some desert oasis because some bored little primitve arab punk got bored and started preaching and acting crazy. How because of this rubbish some fools today in Syria called Daesh want to recreate the same fantasy of a "pure Islamic state". You can’t practice, have so much faith in Islam if you don’t know its history. You'd think these lunatics fell from the sky. They didnt. It started in the desert of Arabia long before oil was discovered. long even before Zionism existed.
     
     
     
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    Gabenowa got a reaction from حسين in Do you feel bad about idol worshipers going to hell?   
    Salaam Brothers, @ Bowtie and @ Sumerian you guys are not each others enemies. Neither is Iraq and Lebanon enemies. don’t make fun of each others different nationalities. I think based on ample evidence far too many people have suffered and died in both countries and continue to do so. I"'ve noticed a certain truth about "Bowtie", brother can be so undiplomatic in his thinking and logic that it stings, actually hurts but but but but but..... you can’t fault his pure logic and extreme rational thinking no matter how it stings. I think brother "Bowtie" has spent far too much time and energy arguing and debating with people who are so ignorant, so hateful and so irrational in their perceptions that the Brother does not possess patience anymore with stupid people.
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    Gabenowa got a reaction from Panzerwaffe in The Rise of Wahhabism   
    From the 16th century onwards, the Arab peninsula and the Fertile Crescent had been under the rule of the Ottoman Empire. Cairo, Baghdad, Jerusalem and Damascus became Ottoman-Arab towns, governed by a bureaucracy appointed in Istanbul. Even though Mecca and Medina were under the direct jurisdiction of the Sultan-Caliph in Instanbul the pensinsula's primitive tribal structure and its geographical isolation reduced its economic and strategic attraction. It was neglected and never fully incorporated into the Ottaman Empire.
    The tribes both resented and exploited this lack of control. Old caravan routes were used by pilgrims on their way to the Holy Cities. The necessity to feed the pilgrims and provide them with lodgings helped but did not fully sustain the local economy. Some of the tribes organised protection rackets, as long as money changed pouches the safety of the pilgrims could be guaranteed. The more experienced pilgrims soon realised that the "pure souls of Mecca" were weren't worth a damn.
    It was in this context that a revivalist sect brought change and soon shook up the whole Arabian peninsula. Its inspiration was a young dude by the name of Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab. Bored with grazing cattle, he began to preach locally calling for a return to the "pure Islamic beliefs".
    He was opposed to the worship of the Prophet Muhammad (عليه السلام)
    Condemned Muslims who prayed at the shrines of holy men
    Criticized the custom of marking graves
    Stressed the 'Unity of One God'
    Called for an ultra-sectarian "Jihad" against other Muslims especially the  'Shia HERETICS'
    On their own these views were harmless. There had always been defenders or proponents of a 'pure Islam'. It was his social prescriptions that started causing problems. The amputation of thieves, Islamic punishment beatings (floggings), he started insisting that adulterers be stoned to death and the public beheadings of criminals that really started to rub the Arabs of that particular area up the wrong way in 1740. Religious leaders of the region started to object strongly when he began to practice what he preached. The Taliban and its fanatical brethren come to mind. Annoyed at this nonsense the emir of that particular region asked the preacher to leave the city. Ibn Wahhab travelled the region for the next four years, he visited Basra and Damascus to gain first hand experience of the laxity and looseness that the Ottomans had brought to Islam. He was not disappointed. Everywhere he travelled he noticed deviations from the "true faith". He also encountered like minded clerics who encouraged him in his beliefs. He became more than ever determined to "restore" Islam to its primitive "purity". This constant harking of a "pure Islam" is sheer fantasy, this "Islamic State" and Caliphs of today (al-Baghdadi) are living in realistic virtual realities. Fanatics have their own dreams whereby they create an image of whatever paradise they want to create. 
    In 1774 Ibn Wahhab arrived in another oasis city ruled by emir Muhammad Ibn Saud (his descendants would fight for and create Saudi Arabia). The emir was delighted to receive the preacher and realised that his charisma was infectious. The two men were made for each other. Ibn Saud became determined to monopolise both the man and his beliefs. He realised that these religious teachings might further his own personal military ambitions. Ibn Wahhab provided theological justification for everything that Ibn Saud wanted to achieve:
    a permanent "jihad" that involved looting other Muslim settlements and cities
    ignoring the sultan-caliph in Istanbul
    imposing a tough discipline on his own people (subjects)
    ultimately imposing his own brutal rule over neighbouring tribes in an attempt to unite the Arabian Peninsula under the rule of the Sauds for generations to come
    The emir and the preacher came to a mithaq (binding agreement) that is still honoured by their descendants to this day. Religious fanaticism in the service of political ambition. Ibn Saud demanded that however downright cynical it might be Ibn Wahhab should never prevent him from extracting the necessary taxes from his newly conquered victims. Ibn Wahhab assured him that Allah "promises benefits in the form of ghanima(loot) from the unbelievers (kafirs). The covenant between these new blood brothers was sealed by a wedding. One of Ibn Wahhabs daughters became one of Ibn Sauds numerous wives. The combination of fanaticism, military ruthlessness, political chicanery and the press-ganging of women is the foundation stone of the dynasty that rules Saudi Arabia today. The Saudi Arabia that funds Wahhabi-Salafi trained lunatics from Saudi itself, Iraq, Syria, the Taliban and lunatics in Pakistan and Kashmir.
    By 1792, the Saudi-Wahhabi forces had overcome the resistance of the neighbouring rulers of nearby Arab cities. They raided Karbala, killed five thousand of its inhabitants, looted individual homes and shrines and returned home in triump. The following year they invaded and massacred the population of the city of Taif. Following that year they invaded the city of Mecca and instructed the sharif (ancestor of the Husseins who rule Jordan today) to destroy the domed tombs of the Prophet (عليه السلام) and Caliphs. Wahhabi doctrine rejects exaggerated displays of tombstones. 
    The Albanian born Muhammad Ali arrived in Egypt as a young officer who was part of an Ottoman regiment of Albanian officers ready to fight the French. Napoleon's conquest of Egypt in 1798 was designed as the first step towards reversing Britains advances in India. The British invaded Egypt to back the Ottomans and the French withdrew three years later. Muhammad Ali heard how the French circumvented the power of the ruling elites by promoting local clerics to the status of representative of the people and how Napoleon planted a dagger through the hated tax system and generally adopted a friendlier attitude towards the Egyptian population more than the Ottoman functionaries. He also realised that the French only withdrew because Britain helped the Ottomans so he began to plot a coup patiently. After some years of skillful political plotting Muhammad Ali seized power in Egypt and established a dynasty. The Sultan-Caliph had no choice but to appoint him as the Wali. As long as he defended the interests of the Sultan-Caliph a grateful if not sulky Sultan left him alone.
    It was Muhammad Ali's forces that defeated the Wahhabi's, retook Mecca and Medina and drove them out of the Hijaz. Years later his son Ibrahim Pasha would drive them out of their home base. Even though the Wahhabis retook their home base, they'd have to rely on their alliance with British Imperialism a hundred years later to become a regional power again. Decades later during World War 2 the United States (the great Satan) would entrust them with the whole Arabian Peninsula after the discovery of oil.
    Isnt history amazing? How this Wahhabi rubbish that has inspired so much death and destruction began in some desert oasis because some bored little primitve arab punk got bored and started preaching and acting crazy. How because of this rubbish some fools today in Syria called Daesh want to recreate the same fantasy of a "pure Islamic state". You can’t practice, have so much faith in Islam if you don’t know its history. You'd think these lunatics fell from the sky. They didnt. It started in the desert of Arabia long before oil was discovered. long even before Zionism existed.
     
     
     
  25. Like
    Gabenowa got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Mixed Bathing   
    "Public Baths"? What the hell does that even mean? Forgive me "guest", Im very ignorant of the term "public bath" because it doesnt exist in my geographical location. If you could further provide more insight into this "public bath" where apparently it would seem that being "naked" is normal. Im perplexed.
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