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Celtic Twilight

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    Celtic Twilight got a reaction from GD41586 in does/can islamic socialism work   
    MKO are currently allied to the scumiest, utterly nasty faction of the US Ruling Class who are the most cruelly capitalistic people you can imagine. They are also the people who are most antagonistic towards the Islamic world. It could be argued that anyone who allies with such people is NEITHER a Muslim or a Socialist. 
    Ali Shariati is probably the most famous, at least in the West, example of an Islamic Socialist.  A lot of what I have read by him I agree with but some of this stuff I found silly. He did though die a martyr and he was important in the restoration of Iran to the Iranian people. 
    From what I have read the economy of Iran is pretty Socialistic, not quite Socialism, but close. 
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    Celtic Twilight got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in does/can islamic socialism work   
    MKO are currently allied to the scumiest, utterly nasty faction of the US Ruling Class who are the most cruelly capitalistic people you can imagine. They are also the people who are most antagonistic towards the Islamic world. It could be argued that anyone who allies with such people is NEITHER a Muslim or a Socialist. 
    Ali Shariati is probably the most famous, at least in the West, example of an Islamic Socialist.  A lot of what I have read by him I agree with but some of this stuff I found silly. He did though die a martyr and he was important in the restoration of Iran to the Iranian people. 
    From what I have read the economy of Iran is pretty Socialistic, not quite Socialism, but close. 
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    Celtic Twilight got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in does/can islamic socialism work   
    I don't think that they are a Third Positionist group, Third Positionists tend to greatly admire the Islamic Republic of Iran. MKO are extremely strange, and I think in many ways there own thing, from what I have been able to gather about them they are like Trotskyites in regard to their psychotic cult of personality. Since Saddam went they are massively now supported by the Neo-Con wing of the US ruling elite. Resentment against Imam Khomieni and their cults of personality seem to be their key defining features. 
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    Celtic Twilight got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in does/can islamic socialism work   
    I don't think that they are a Third Positionist group, Third Positionists tend to greatly admire the Islamic Republic of Iran. MKO are extremely strange, and I think in many ways their own thing, from what I have been able to gather about them they are like Trotskyites in regard to their psychotic cult of personality. Since Saddam went they are massively now supported by the Neo-Con wing of the US ruling elite. Resentment against Imam Khomieni and their cults of personality seem to be their key defining features. 
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    Celtic Twilight got a reaction from notme in does/can islamic socialism work   
    Socialism does not have to be secular. I think actually Socialism can only really work long term when it has Religion, or at least some form of ethical Monotheism, because of the ethical demands it makes on people to work for the common good. I think the idea of an economy based around the concept of social duty as opposed to private greed fits in with what could be called the Abrahamic tradition in many ways. There was a quite interesting Jewish mystic called Yehuda Ashlag who predicted the fall of the Soviet Union, which he admired in very many ways because of it's atheism. He also predicted the collapse of "Labour Zionism" in Palestine for the same reason- but actually "Labour Zionism" in Palestine collapsed because of intra-Jewish racism as well as racism against the indigenous Palestinians who survived the Nabkha and were granted a sort of citizenship.
    Talking about "Labour Zionism" what annoys me about a lot of Socialists is that they believe that if solve the economy than everything else will naturally get sorted which is very, very untrue. 
     
    American Christianity in general seems extremely un-Christian to those who fall victim to Capitalism. 
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    Celtic Twilight got a reaction from Northwest in does/can islamic socialism work   
    I don't think that they are a Third Positionist group, Third Positionists tend to greatly admire the Islamic Republic of Iran. MKO are extremely strange, and I think in many ways there own thing, from what I have been able to gather about them they are like Trotskyites in regard to their psychotic cult of personality. Since Saddam went they are massively now supported by the Neo-Con wing of the US ruling elite. Resentment against Imam Khomieni and their cults of personality seem to be their key defining features. 
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    Celtic Twilight got a reaction from Northwest in does/can islamic socialism work   
    MKO are currently allied to the scumiest, utterly nasty faction of the US Ruling Class who are the most cruelly capitalistic people you can imagine. They are also the people who are most antagonistic towards the Islamic world. It could be argued that anyone who allies with such people is NEITHER a Muslim or a Socialist. 
    Ali Shariati is probably the most famous, at least in the West, example of an Islamic Socialist.  A lot of what I have read by him I agree with but some of this stuff I found silly. He did though die a martyr and he was important in the restoration of Iran to the Iranian people. 
    From what I have read the economy of Iran is pretty Socialistic, not quite Socialism, but close. 
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    Celtic Twilight got a reaction from Northwest in does/can islamic socialism work   
    Socialism does not have to be secular. I think actually Socialism can only really work long term when it has Religion, or at least some form of ethical Monotheism, because of the ethical demands it makes on people to work for the common good. I think the idea of an economy based around the concept of social duty as opposed to private greed fits in with what could be called the Abrahamic tradition in many ways. There was a quite interesting Jewish mystic called Yehuda Ashlag who predicted the fall of the Soviet Union, which he admired in very many ways because of it's atheism. He also predicted the collapse of "Labour Zionism" in Palestine for the same reason- but actually "Labour Zionism" in Palestine collapsed because of intra-Jewish racism as well as racism against the indigenous Palestinians who survived the Nabkha and were granted a sort of citizenship.
    Talking about "Labour Zionism" what annoys me about a lot of Socialists is that they believe that if solve the economy than everything else will naturally get sorted which is very, very untrue. 
     
    American Christianity in general seems extremely un-Christian to those who fall victim to Capitalism. 
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    Celtic Twilight got a reaction from Northwest in does/can islamic socialism work   
    I don't think that they are a Third Positionist group, Third Positionists tend to greatly admire the Islamic Republic of Iran. MKO are extremely strange, and I think in many ways their own thing, from what I have been able to gather about them they are like Trotskyites in regard to their psychotic cult of personality. Since Saddam went they are massively now supported by the Neo-Con wing of the US ruling elite. Resentment against Imam Khomieni and their cults of personality seem to be their key defining features. 
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    Celtic Twilight reacted to notme in does/can islamic socialism work   
    On a local scale, socialist economy (ignoring the secularism) works within the framework of Islam. I converted to Islam long before I ever read about socialism, but I find much to admire in socialist ideology. I haven't read about Islamic socialism, but some day I'll get around to it. 
    Islam doesn't support or forbid any economic system, but it does obligate the community to care for the poor and infirm. in the United States that would be considered socialist or communist (though it's not).
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    Celtic Twilight reacted to AmirioTheMuzzy in Imam Hassan's Number of Divorces   
    At the end of the day though, Sunnis actually believe that Musa (عليه السلام) punched the angel of death.

    https://muslimmatters.org/2016/08/12/the-curious-story-of-moses-and-the-angel-did-the-messenger-musa-peace-be-upon-him-really-punch-an-angel/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/MuslimsRespond/comments/c0zmoe/the_moses_slaps_angel_of_death_on_the_eye_hadith/
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    Celtic Twilight reacted to Ashvazdanghe in Why 2 Messianic Figures?   
    Hi it's an idea that created by wise people to separate Abrahamic religions from each other that they use an army of crazy men to promote their plan however their crazy army are not just crazy Christians but also wahabists are following their footsteps under control of these wise men  that they inserted Dajjal as Islamic Antichrist to Sunni belief that also affected shia sources but real personality is cursed Sufyani that is a person from descendants of Abu Sufyan from Ummayid branch that will rise as a bloodthirsty Islamic leader but in reality he will have support of these crazy people & in shia prophecies said that he will have religion these crazy christians (Evangelism & etc) but shows him as a Muslim that plan of creating ISIS /Daesh was preparig everything for his rising & one of major reasons of attacking KSA to Yemen is stopping process of reappearance of  Imam Mahdi (aj) & protection of rising of cursed Sufyani in future that even MBS declared that he is enemy of Imam Mahdi (aj) & his viewpoint it's an Iranian thing & in other hand they are distracting minds of anti wahabi Sunnis that believe to Imam Mahdi (aj)  with Dajjal & prophecies that they must start a war between India & Pakistan to force coming of prophet Isa (عليه السلام) &  Imam Mahdi (aj)
     
     
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    Celtic Twilight reacted to Revert1963 in Defining Shia.   
    1) Recognizing that Ali ibn abu Talib(عليه السلام) was appointed by the prophet(صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) at Ghadir Khum and the Sunnah has been passed down through his linage. Recognizing the significance of tragedy in Karbala and mourning the martyrs from the Ahlulbayt.
    2) I consider my self a twelver, but i don't think that Zaidis or Ismailis are any less Shia. (if you really want twelve Imams the Zaidis and Ismailis have twelve combined )
    3) I think takfirism is bad between the Sunni and the Shia and I think it is bad between Shias internally. In what ever they disagree on, Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) will be the judge when the day comes. And he is the most gracious the most merciful.
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    Celtic Twilight reacted to Warilla in Defining Shia.   
    I wanted to know members opinion on the following.
    1)what is the definition of Shia you accept.
    2) How important is the number of Imams you follow, as in if you derive fiqh from Ahlulbayt and it goes back to an infallible then does it matter if it fiver, sevener, twelver
    3) Do you think there can be universally accepted Shia community the way Sunni (not salafi) accept each others difference eg. no one would care if you follow Maliki of hanafi way of praying within a Sunni mosque.
     
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    Celtic Twilight got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Why 2 Messianic Figures?   
    The idea of an Islamic Antichrist as in THE Antichrist and not an Antichrist is extremely recent. I am pretty sure that it only goes to the 00s of this century. Historically Christians have actually seen Islam as the worst of Christian heresies. Now though in the United States you have all these crazies claiming that Islam is actually pagan and nothing to do with Abrahamic ethical Monotheism. Check out the complete insanity of the below;
    https://www.derekpgilbert.com/bad-moon-rising/
    However the people who believe this nonsense generally are extremely far from historic Christianity and believe other crazy things such as that Christianity is all about making Christ's followers rich and that God specially blesses the United States which was actually founded by pagan Freemasons. 
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    Celtic Twilight reacted to Warilla in Why 2 Messianic Figures?   
    The majority Zaidi opinion is that Nabi Isa will not return and it originated from Christianity that found it's way into mainstream Islam. Bit like saying Ameen.
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    Celtic Twilight reacted to LeftCoastMom in 2020 Democrats   
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    Celtic Twilight reacted to Panzerwaffe in Radical white supremacist terrorism   
    Hahaha 
    Yea white men are lining up dying to enter Muslim countries or other 3rd world countries?
    Seriously what a false analogy 
    Difference is most average Muslims do not come out condemn the imperialism that their forefathers practiced rather they call it their golden age.While in the west atleast officially no one ( other than British skin heads or french imperialists ) brag about their exploits.If anything germans and many other Europeans have apologized for their crimes.
    When will Arab Turks Kurds berbers persians  apologize for their crimes of pillaging plundering and enslaving ?
     
     
     
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    Celtic Twilight got a reaction from Northwest in Does Disney believe in flat Earth theory?   
    No it most definitely is not. The current West is a million miles away from the Legion of the Archangel Michael in Romania in the 1920s and 1930s, and very far removed from the Salaazar regime in Portugal which lasted into the 1970s. Evangelical Protestants by the way do not have the power that a lot of people ascribe to them- just look at their utter failure to overturn the Roe versus Wade decision on abortion. The dominant culture today in the West is nihilistic capitalist greed which is why you have things like "gay marriage" which could not be dreamed of under actual "Christo-Fascism". 
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    Celtic Twilight got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Does Disney believe in flat Earth theory?   
    No it most definitely is not. The current West is a million miles away from the Legion of the Archangel Michael in Romania in the 1920s and 1930s, and very far removed from the Salaazar regime in Portugal which lasted into the 1970s. Evangelical Protestants by the way do not have the power that a lot of people ascribe to them- just look at their utter failure to overturn the Roe versus Wade decision on abortion. The dominant culture today in the West is nihilistic capitalist greed which is why you have things like "gay marriage" which could not be dreamed of under actual "Christo-Fascism". 
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    Celtic Twilight got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Jesus was crucified and the Qur'an supports this   
    Now that I think about it  Hasan Ali Shah Mahallati did make himself very useful to the British Empire in Afghanistan. 

    Something weird about the current Aga Khan- he has banned his followers from wearing the hijab accept where not wearing one would cause hassle. His logic for this is the claim that originally slave women wore them and free women did not, but actually it was the reverse. 
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    Celtic Twilight got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Jesus was crucified and the Qur'an supports this   
    This opinion though (I am trying to remember where I read it) among them came before the modern era though. The Ismailis now certainly have something of the sycophant about them however in the Middle Ages it was they who were the "Radical Muslims". The present Aga Khan's claim to be a legitimate Ismaili Iman are suspect- the founder of his line supposedly came out of hiding in the 19 th century. I know there are Sevener Shia in both India, Yemen and some other places who reject him. 
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    Celtic Twilight got a reaction from AmirioTheMuzzy in Does Disney believe in flat Earth theory?   
    No it most definitely is not. The current West is a million miles away from the Legion of the Archangel Michael in Romania in the 1920s and 1930s, and very far removed from the Salaazar regime in Portugal which lasted into the 1970s. Evangelical Protestants by the way do not have the power that a lot of people ascribe to them- just look at their utter failure to overturn the Roe versus Wade decision on abortion. The dominant culture today in the West is nihilistic capitalist greed which is why you have things like "gay marriage" which could not be dreamed of under actual "Christo-Fascism". 
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    Celtic Twilight got a reaction from AmirioTheMuzzy in Jesus was crucified and the Qur'an supports this   
    This opinion though (I am trying to remember where I read it) among them came before the modern era though. The Ismailis now certainly have something of the sycophant about them however in the Middle Ages it was they who were the "Radical Muslims". The present Aga Khan's claim to be a legitimate Ismaili Iman are suspect- the founder of his line supposedly came out of hiding in the 19 th century. I know there are Sevener Shia in both India, Yemen and some other places who reject him. 
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    Celtic Twilight got a reaction from AmirioTheMuzzy in Jesus was crucified and the Qur'an supports this   
    Now that I think about it  Hasan Ali Shah Mahallati did make himself very useful to the British Empire in Afghanistan. 

    Something weird about the current Aga Khan- he has banned his followers from wearing the hijab accept where not wearing one would cause hassle. His logic for this is the claim that originally slave women wore them and free women did not, but actually it was the reverse. 
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