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Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi

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    Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi got a reaction from Meedy in Bukhari vs Al Kafi   
    There is not only one person that copies from a book, there are many. Written transmission is subject to less alteration or hadith is most probably transmitted with its original wording which gets lost when transmitting a phrase or sentence orally. This can be witnessed in real life.
    Also there is no gap between imam (عليه السلام) and our hadith compilations because Imam Sadiq (عليه السلام) told his companions to write down their hadiths while Sunni oral transmission is broken due until ban of narrating hadiths was lifted.
    There is minimal issue of memory in written hadith transmission. Companions who heard directly from Imams (عليه السلام) wrote it down in their books and other included those books in their own books. In this case, weak memory doesn't even matter since you have book or either the person himself to take hadith from. No ones using his memory to trasmit narration from one generation to another.
    Sunnis just defend mazhab by bluffing about memory of their imams and this was pointed out by their own muftis who said there is no proof for Imam abc memorizing 700k hadiths or millions of hadiths and choosing a few thousand for their compilations.
    If you are just to assume, that they **can be** altered, then there is more chance in oral transmission.
    Just by assuming possible defects, you can discredit anything because one can also talk about similar issues with oral transmission.
     
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    Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi got a reaction from Muslim2010 in Bukhari vs Al Kafi   
    There is not only one person that copies from a book, there are many. Written transmission is subject to less alteration or hadith is most probably transmitted with its original wording which gets lost when transmitting a phrase or sentence orally. This can be witnessed in real life.
    Also there is no gap between imam (عليه السلام) and our hadith compilations because Imam Sadiq (عليه السلام) told his companions to write down their hadiths while Sunni oral transmission is broken due until ban of narrating hadiths was lifted.
    There is minimal issue of memory in written hadith transmission. Companions who heard directly from Imams (عليه السلام) wrote it down in their books and other included those books in their own books. In this case, weak memory doesn't even matter since you have book or either the person himself to take hadith from. No ones using his memory to trasmit narration from one generation to another.
    Sunnis just defend mazhab by bluffing about memory of their imams and this was pointed out by their own muftis who said there is no proof for Imam abc memorizing 700k hadiths or millions of hadiths and choosing a few thousand for their compilations.
    If you are just to assume, that they **can be** altered, then there is more chance in oral transmission.
    Just by assuming possible defects, you can discredit anything because one can also talk about similar issues with oral transmission.
     
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    Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi got a reaction from Muslim2010 in Bukhari vs Al Kafi   
    Avaliable in form of Kutab e Arba + Other Old Kutab.
    Purpose of writing down old sources into their own books was to save majority of compilations.
    You see, out of almost 200 works of Sadooq, a few ( less than 20 ) survived i think.
    And THAT WAS WHY our Rijal** books were written down. These aren't books on narrators, rather their name is:
    فهرست أسماء مصنفين الشيعة
    By Tusi and Nijashi etc.
    These books have names of COMPILERS OR AUTHORS of books of Shia Mazhab ( Not Narrators ).
    You can find details and chain to their books in books of Nijashi tusi etc.
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    Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi got a reaction from Zainuu in Bukhari vs Al Kafi   
    Avaliable in form of Kutab e Arba + Other Old Kutab.
    Purpose of writing down old sources into their own books was to save majority of compilations.
    You see, out of almost 200 works of Sadooq, a few ( less than 20 ) survived i think.
    And THAT WAS WHY our Rijal** books were written down. These aren't books on narrators, rather their name is:
    فهرست أسماء مصنفين الشيعة
    By Tusi and Nijashi etc.
    These books have names of COMPILERS OR AUTHORS of books of Shia Mazhab ( Not Narrators ).
    You can find details and chain to their books in books of Nijashi tusi etc.
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    Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi got a reaction from Zainuu in Bukhari vs Al Kafi   
    There is not only one person that copies from a book, there are many. Written transmission is subject to less alteration or hadith is most probably transmitted with its original wording which gets lost when transmitting a phrase or sentence orally. This can be witnessed in real life.
    Also there is no gap between imam (عليه السلام) and our hadith compilations because Imam Sadiq (عليه السلام) told his companions to write down their hadiths while Sunni oral transmission is broken due until ban of narrating hadiths was lifted.
    There is minimal issue of memory in written hadith transmission. Companions who heard directly from Imams (عليه السلام) wrote it down in their books and other included those books in their own books. In this case, weak memory doesn't even matter since you have book or either the person himself to take hadith from. No ones using his memory to trasmit narration from one generation to another.
    Sunnis just defend mazhab by bluffing about memory of their imams and this was pointed out by their own muftis who said there is no proof for Imam abc memorizing 700k hadiths or millions of hadiths and choosing a few thousand for their compilations.
    If you are just to assume, that they **can be** altered, then there is more chance in oral transmission.
    Just by assuming possible defects, you can discredit anything because one can also talk about similar issues with oral transmission.
     
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    Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Bukhari vs Al Kafi   
    Avaliable in form of Kutab e Arba + Other Old Kutab.
    Purpose of writing down old sources into their own books was to save majority of compilations.
    You see, out of almost 200 works of Sadooq, a few ( less than 20 ) survived i think.
    And THAT WAS WHY our Rijal** books were written down. These aren't books on narrators, rather their name is:
    فهرست أسماء مصنفين الشيعة
    By Tusi and Nijashi etc.
    These books have names of COMPILERS OR AUTHORS of books of Shia Mazhab ( Not Narrators ).
    You can find details and chain to their books in books of Nijashi tusi etc.
  7. Like
    Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Bukhari vs Al Kafi   
    There is not only one person that copies from a book, there are many. Written transmission is subject to less alteration or hadith is most probably transmitted with its original wording which gets lost when transmitting a phrase or sentence orally. This can be witnessed in real life.
    Also there is no gap between imam (عليه السلام) and our hadith compilations because Imam Sadiq (عليه السلام) told his companions to write down their hadiths while Sunni oral transmission is broken due until ban of narrating hadiths was lifted.
    There is minimal issue of memory in written hadith transmission. Companions who heard directly from Imams (عليه السلام) wrote it down in their books and other included those books in their own books. In this case, weak memory doesn't even matter since you have book or either the person himself to take hadith from. No ones using his memory to trasmit narration from one generation to another.
    Sunnis just defend mazhab by bluffing about memory of their imams and this was pointed out by their own muftis who said there is no proof for Imam abc memorizing 700k hadiths or millions of hadiths and choosing a few thousand for their compilations.
    If you are just to assume, that they **can be** altered, then there is more chance in oral transmission.
    Just by assuming possible defects, you can discredit anything because one can also talk about similar issues with oral transmission.
     
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    Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi got a reaction from Muhammad Al-Hurr in Bukhari vs Al Kafi   
    There is not only one person that copies from a book, there are many. Written transmission is subject to less alteration or hadith is most probably transmitted with its original wording which gets lost when transmitting a phrase or sentence orally. This can be witnessed in real life.
    Also there is no gap between imam (عليه السلام) and our hadith compilations because Imam Sadiq (عليه السلام) told his companions to write down their hadiths while Sunni oral transmission is broken due until ban of narrating hadiths was lifted.
    There is minimal issue of memory in written hadith transmission. Companions who heard directly from Imams (عليه السلام) wrote it down in their books and other included those books in their own books. In this case, weak memory doesn't even matter since you have book or either the person himself to take hadith from. No ones using his memory to trasmit narration from one generation to another.
    Sunnis just defend mazhab by bluffing about memory of their imams and this was pointed out by their own muftis who said there is no proof for Imam abc memorizing 700k hadiths or millions of hadiths and choosing a few thousand for their compilations.
    If you are just to assume, that they **can be** altered, then there is more chance in oral transmission.
    Just by assuming possible defects, you can discredit anything because one can also talk about similar issues with oral transmission.
     
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    Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi got a reaction from Muslim2010 in Bukhari vs Al Kafi   
    Let him write and inshaAllah then i will try to write about when did our hadith compilations start. He has bluffed about Memory of Bukhari lol but isn't willing to accept transmission that is way more secure due to people writing them down and then other people including their books into their own. These people only can refer to Rijal of Khoei and modren scholars and think they have researched whole shia mazhab and their narrations are filled with Majaheel. Let him write inshaAllah then we will see. I'm no expert but i got some questions.
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    Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi got a reaction from Muslim2010 in Misconceptions about shias   
    First, these people (along with others) kill shia (past-present), when shia hide their beliefs, they accuse them of taqqiyah such hypocrisy.
    Many sunni molvis have accepted Taqqiyah is allowed and legal including this:
     
    And there is Molvi Ishaq from Pakistan who admitted it.
    I don't wanna saying anything now.
  11. Completely Agree
    Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi got a reaction from Muslim2010 in Misconceptions about shias   
    Nightclaw you are a biased person who can just taunt others for not knowing arabic.
    I talked to you on Context of Ghadir and you couldn't bring a single proof that context of Ghadir was yemen.
    All you did was copy paste arguments of people you mentioned.
    And you even came up with arabic issue in that forum somehow.
    If you know arabic, atleast make sure you read the sources before quoting them.
    And if you want to discuss Ghadir e Khum over call or voice chat (if we need time to fetch sources) you can contact me on facebook here is link:
    https://m.facebook.com/JIREN.GRAY.3773
    Leave voice messages for ease.
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    Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi got a reaction from Muslim2010 in Misconceptions about shias   
    Please prove it. And make sure scholar you quote on this issue has a proof.
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    Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi got a reaction from Muslim2010 in Misconceptions about shias   
    We do not abrogate any verse or cause it to be forgotten unless We substitute for it something better or similar; do you know that God has power over all things?" (2.100)
    Verse doesn't get removed, it gets substituted by a better one. Please refer meto verse that abrogated above verses
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    Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi got a reaction from Muslim2010 in Misconceptions about shias   
    We can say the same about you.
     
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    Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi got a reaction from AmirioTheMuzzy in Bukhari vs Al Kafi   
    Let him write and inshaAllah then i will try to write about when did our hadith compilations start. He has bluffed about Memory of Bukhari lol but isn't willing to accept transmission that is way more secure due to people writing them down and then other people including their books into their own. These people only can refer to Rijal of Khoei and modren scholars and think they have researched whole shia mazhab and their narrations are filled with Majaheel. Let him write inshaAllah then we will see. I'm no expert but i got some questions.
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    Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi reacted to Cool in companions purified?   
    إِذْ يُغَشِّيكُمُ النُّعَاسَ أَمَنَةً مِّنْهُ وَيُنَزِّلُ عَلَيْكُم مِّن السَّمَاء مَاء لِّيُطَهِّرَكُم بِهِ وَيُذْهِبَ عَنكُمْ رِجْزَ الشَّيْطَانِ وَلِيَرْبِطَ عَلَى قُلُوبِكُمْ وَيُثَبِّتَ بِهِ الأَقْدَامَ
    8:11 
    A big big difference!
    First of all, this verse was revealed at the time of battle of Badar. The Meccan army invested the wells of Badr, thus depriving the Muslims of water; and, under the influence of thirst, some of the latter fell prey to utter despair (here symbolized by "رِجْزَ الشَّيْطَانِ") -when, suddenly, abundant rain fell and enabled them to satisfy their thirst (Tabari, on the authority of Ibn `Abbas).
    Secondly, this verse is a proof of companions, even the ones who took part in the battle of Badar, could get caught by رِجْزَ الشَّيْطَانِ (stain/uncleanness/plaque of the Satan). Means could get misguided by Satan. For further knowing about the word رِجْزَ, please look at the following verses:
    فَلَمَّا كَشَفْنَا عَنْهُمُ الرِّجْزَ إِلَى أَجَلٍ هُم بَالِغُوهُ إِذَا هُمْ يَنكُثُونَ
    7:135 
    7:162, 29:34, 34:5 etc.
    The help of God here is not the ontological will as mentioned in the verse of purification which starts with "innama":
    إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنْكُمُ الرِّجْسَ أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيرًا
     
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    Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi got a reaction from MohammadAli1993 in Misconceptions about shias   
    Why adnan rasheed ran away from Mufti Abu Layth on this topic?
    Your own muftis are accepting Bukhari was passed down by Majhool person whos tawtheeq was done by none of his ham-asrs ( scholars of his time ). Should i paste a video of adnan rasheed running away here?
  18. Haha
    Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi reacted to Mohammad313Ali in Books from Shrine of Imam Reza (عليه السلام)   
    Read the books you guys have!   
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    Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi reacted to MohammadAli1993 in Bukhari vs Al Kafi   
    SalamAlaykum Brothers and sisters
    In Shaa Allah you are all well 
     
    This question came in my mind when watching few debates between Sunnis and Christians.
    I hope @Nightclaw will also reply to my question in Shaa Allah
    How did Bukhari get compiled
    I mean were there any Manuscripts of the Hadith that are contained in it before Imam Bukhari. 
    For example, during the Prophets times, were there companions who have written down the narrations on leather, bones etc? Or was it more orally transmitted. 
    As we know Bukhari, has many Volumes so what I am trying to say is, if there were manuscripts before Bukhari of ALL HADITHS then where are they now? 
     
    Same question is applied to Al Kafi 
    And if there are any differences 
    Please list them 
    Jazakallah 
  20. Completely Agree
    Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi got a reaction from Zainuu in Misconceptions about shias   
    First, these people (along with others) kill shia (past-present), when shia hide their beliefs, they accuse them of taqqiyah such hypocrisy.
    Many sunni molvis have accepted Taqqiyah is allowed and legal including this:
     
    And there is Molvi Ishaq from Pakistan who admitted it.
    I don't wanna saying anything now.
  21. Like
    Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi got a reaction from Zainuu in Misconceptions about shias   
    We can say the same about you.
     
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    Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi got a reaction from Zainuu in Misconceptions about shias   
    My friends often taunt me by saying you don't believe in current Quran or you have a different one.
    So i show them narration of Ayesha saying verse was revealed in Kitab Allah and it isn't found today from Sahih Muslim 
  23. Haha
    Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi got a reaction from Zainuu in Misconceptions about shias   
    I have seen some people saying that Shias believe Ali (عليه السلام) was going to be a Nabi but Jibreal made mistake and gave it to Propeht Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) Astagfirullah.
    I was wondering where did that come from?
  24. Haha
    Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi got a reaction from Nightclaw in Misconceptions about shias   
    Nightclaw you are a biased person who can just taunt others for not knowing arabic.
    I talked to you on Context of Ghadir and you couldn't bring a single proof that context of Ghadir was yemen.
    All you did was copy paste arguments of people you mentioned.
    And you even came up with arabic issue in that forum somehow.
    If you know arabic, atleast make sure you read the sources before quoting them.
    And if you want to discuss Ghadir e Khum over call or voice chat (if we need time to fetch sources) you can contact me on facebook here is link:
    https://m.facebook.com/JIREN.GRAY.3773
    Leave voice messages for ease.
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    Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi got a reaction from Diaz in Misconceptions about shias   
    My friends often taunt me by saying you don't believe in current Quran or you have a different one.
    So i show them narration of Ayesha saying verse was revealed in Kitab Allah and it isn't found today from Sahih Muslim 
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