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Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi

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  1. I've listened to speech of a scholar on it on Madraash Tul Qaim YouTube Channel ( Urdu ). Its Allowed. Obedience to husband is obligatory only in four things. This doesn't come under those four. But allowed doesn't mean you should do it.
  2. Multiple imams ( children of imams ) testified to imamah of each other. How can you make such claims. We've hadiths. Yes some weren't told, some were aware and some went astray despite knowing haq. Imam zayd didn't know because it was hidden from him just Like Imam Baqir (عليه السلام) said in above hadith. Thats our answer. And we can definitely compare it to story of Yusuf (عليه السلام).
  3. Not a Hujjah for us and neither for you. Its a sunni source isnt it?
  4. I don't participate in discussions now a days. But can you let people know why are you quoting fabrications then? First you quote Asif Muhseni and Ayatullah Khoei to establish narration is authentic and strong. Then you quote Baqir Al-Behbudi to establish narrations are fabrications. Baqir Behbudi sahab has got no proof for his claim. Argument he gave is not strong actually. Example: during Era of Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم), all Muslims believe he showed many miracles right, but wide majority of people remained kuffar / munafiqeen. Why? Every sensible person would be convinced if someone came to one and split moon into two, etc. But no. Even though path of haq was crystal clear for them, they choose to remain kafirs and some munafiqeen. So by this logic, it has been proved all these miracles of Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) are fake stories? Lol nauzobillah because no one got convinced by them or believed in him (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم). If people from shias abandoned imamah, they followed their leaders in doing so just like others did. This proves their ignorance and hatred for Ahlebait (عليه السلام). Baqir Behbudi isn't a classical scholar. Hadeeth of 12 imams comes via Ashaab Al Ijma. I hope you understand what that means. Yep we do. And will continue to do so. We praise family of Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) for their excellent character and obedience to Allah Almighty. If someone from his descendants go astray, he just like other people who went astray and got cursed. Also you'll find hadiths in which infallibles criticized those persons you mentioned. Being a newphew, cousin of Prophet / Imam doesn't mean one can't go astray or become a disbeliever. Brother ( Imam Baqir ) told him (Zayd) about imamah according to narration you just quoted. Read it. Listen brother, as a Zaydi Shia, you've right to dismiss all these narrations because they are not a hujjah for you. But thinking you can use narrations of twelvers to prove your point, thats far from reality. You should debate some knowledgeable twelvers over Imamah in Quran not Hadiths as neither They're hujjah for you, nor they prove what you try to prove from them.
  5. Narration goes further: ! I said to him: may I be made your ransom – it is only because of his fear of hell-fire for you you that he did not inform you! he feared for you that you would reject it and enter the fire, but he informed me [not caring either way] so if I accept I am saved and he was not bothered that I enter the fire [if I reject]. Then I said to him: may I be made your ransom are you better or the prophets? He said: the prophets, I said: Ya`qub said to Yusuf: “O my son – do not relate your dream to your brothers for they will devise a plot against you” (12:5) why not inform them and expect them not to devise a plot against him but rather he was to keep it a secret from them [so as not to tempt them]? the same way your father kept it a secret from you because he feared for you. He said: by Allah! now that you mention that – your man [the Imam] narrated to me in Madina that I am to be killed and crucified in Kinasa and that he has a book which tells of my killing and crucifixion in it. Later I [al-Ahwal] made the pilgrimage and relayed to Aba Abdillah عليه السلام my conversation with Zayd, so he said to me: you took him from in front and from behind, from the right and from the left, from above his head and from below his legs and did not leave him any room to wiggle out. First of all, this narration proves Imamah of Muhammad Al-Baqir (عليه السلام). since he himself is claiming to be an Imam. Secondly, it's not something that's special about us Imamiyah. Prophet Yaqoob (عليه السلام) didn't let Brothers of Yusuf (عليه السلام) know about his dream or that Yusuf (عليه السلام) is a prophet. For sure this would've saved Yusuf (عليه السلام) from getting into trouble and his brothers from going near one of biggest sins. ( hurting two prophets ). But he knew a bigger sin that brothers of Yusuf (عليه السلام) would've committed if he told them and he refrained from telling brothers of Yusuf (عليه السلام) all the secrets. Similarly Imam Sajjad (عليه السلام) didn't mention it to Zayd. Both waited for right time to let Brothers of Yusuf (عليه السلام) and Hazrat Zayd (رضي الله عنه) know about the right path.
  6. Just came across their channel. Following are some things they stressed on: 1. No wilayah Takwini 2. Today things considered as non negotiable beliefs are ghuluw 3. Imam isn't part of zaruriyat e deen. Allah will accept faith of muslims without imamah. Lol
  7. As salam o aliakum To all who've read this post last year, I apologize openly for harsh words and calling it a Biddah / something that has no basis in shia islam. I no longer hold this view so kindly ignore this thread. Our thiqa scholars have allowed shias to celebrate this day as Eid as mentioned in narrations. Therefore, Happy Eid Al Zahra. Stay blessed!
  8. I have no issues with these hadith. I showed him from his source with saheeh chain just so he may know he have hadith that explain how much important obeying husband his amd what are rights of a wife on husband as compared to what husband has over her
  9. Your hadiths take it to next level as well: Narrated Qays ibn Sa'd: I went to al-Hirah and saw them (the people) prostrating themselves before a satrap of theirs, so I said: The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) has most right to have prostration made before him. When I came to the Prophet (ﷺ), I said: I went to al-Hirah and saw them prostrating themselves before a satrap of theirs, but you have most right, Messenger of Allah, to have (people) prostrating themselves before you. He said: Tell me , if you were to pass my grave, would you prostrate yourself before it? I said: No. He then said: Do not do so. If I were to command anyone to make prostration before another I would command women to prostrate themselves before their husbands, because of the special right over them given to husbands by Allah. حَدَّثَنَا عَمْرُو بْنُ عَوْنٍ، أَخْبَرَنَا إِسْحَاقُ بْنُ يُوسُفَ، عَنْ شَرِيكٍ، عَنْ حُصَيْنٍ، عَنِ الشَّعْبِيِّ، عَنْ قَيْسِ بْنِ سَعْدٍ، قَالَ أَتَيْتُ الْحِيرَةَ فَرَأَيْتُهُمْ يَسْجُدُونَ لِمَرْزُبَانٍ لَهُمْ فَقُلْتُ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ أَحَقُّ أَنْ يُسْجَدَ لَهُ قَالَ فَأَتَيْتُ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَقُلْتُ إِنِّي أَتَيْتُ الْحِيرَةَ فَرَأَيْتُهُمْ يَسْجُدُونَ لِمَرْزُبَانٍ لَهُمْ فَأَنْتَ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ أَحَقُّ أَنْ نَسْجُدَ لَكَ ‏.‏ قَالَ ‏"‏ أَرَأَيْتَ لَوْ مَرَرْتَ بِقَبْرِي أَكُنْتَ تَسْجُدُ لَهُ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قَالَ قُلْتُ لاَ ‏.‏ قَالَ ‏"‏ فَلاَ تَفْعَلُوا لَوْ كُنْتُ آمِرًا أَحَدًا أَنْ يَسْجُدَ لأَحَدٍ لأَمَرْتُ النِّسَاءَ أَنْ يَسْجُدْنَ لأَزْوَاجِهِنَّ لِمَا جَعَلَ اللَّهُ لَهُمْ عَلَيْهِنَّ مِنَ الْحَقِّ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ صحيح دون جملة القبر (الألباني)حكم : Reference : Sunan Abi Dawud 2140In-book reference : Book 12, Hadith 95English translation : Book 11, Hadith 2135 Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) ba sanad e sahih is known to have said: if he were to command anyone to prostrate to other, he would command women to prostate to their Husbands due to right Husband have over his wife. Hopefully it explains our hadith to you.
  10. If they believed in Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), they would've followed what he (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) said. I am not playing with words. Have you read hadiths i quoted above? Anyways. Carryon. I'll not be posting here anymore.
  11. Ayatullah Al-Uzma Bashir Najafi has allowed it and there are two traditions one from Imam Ali Ibn Hussein (عليه السلام) and one from Bint Ali (عليه السلام) where they hit there heads against something in grief which caused blood to come out of there head. I think no one before Khamenai called it haram. If anyone did, do tell me about it. Bashir Najafi even mocked Khamenai for his fatwa.
  12. If you read rest of hadiths, they literally declare All others except for shias as Kuffar. And thoses are in abundance. From Aima (عليه السلام). what sort of unity is that? Unity is not mocking or insulting them openly to avoid fitnah. But compromising on exposing their deeds and expressing our aqeedah is not unity. Its falsehood.
  13. Bro Muawiyah etc are from muqaddasat of Ahle Sunnah. Plus i have quoted ziarat e ashuru as a reply to Hadi who asked where have imams cursed others in hadiths.
  14. وبالإسناد الأول عن ابن محبوب، عن أبي أيوب الخزاز، عن محمد بن مسلم عن أبي جعفر قال: قلت له: أرأيتَ مَن جحد إماماً منكم ما حاله؟ فقال: مَن جحد إماماً من الله وبرئ منه ومِن دينه فهو كافر مرتدٌّ عن الإسلام، لأنّ الإمام من الله ودينه من دين الله، ومَن برئ من دين الله فدَمُه مباح في تلك الحال إلاّ أن يرجع أو يتوب إلى الله تعالى ممّا قال. (3) Ibn Mahboob narrated from Abu Ayyoob al-Khazzaz that Muhammad bin Muslim had said: I asked Abu Ja’far as-Sadiq (as): What about one, who denies an imam of you? He said: “He, who denies an imam appointed by Allah and exempt himself from him and his faith, is apostate and unbeliever because the imam is appointed by Allah and his religion is the religion of Allah; therefore whoever denies the religion of Allah, is to be killed except if he turns to Allah in repentance of what he has said or done.” 8 - حدثنا محمد بن يعقوب قال: حدثنا محمد بن يحيى، عن محمد بن الحسين، عن محمد بن سنان، عن بعض رجاله، عن أبي عبد الله قال: مَن أشرك مع إمام إمامتُه من عند الله مَن ليست إمامته من الله كان مشركاً. (8) Muhammad bin Ya’qoob narrated from Muhammad bin Yahya from Muhammad bin al-Husayn from Muhammad bin Sinan from some of his companions that Abu Abdullah as-Sadiq (عليه السلام) had said: “He, who joins to an imam, whose imamate is from Allah, another imam, whose imamate is not from Allah, is a polytheist.” 13 - وبه عن ابن محبوب، عن هشام بن سالم، عن حبيب السجستاني، عن أبي جعفر قال: قال الله: لأعذّبنَّ كلّ رعية في الإسلام دانت بولاية كلّ إمام جائر ليس من الله وإن كانت الرعيةُ في أعمالها برةً تقية، ولأعفُونَّ عن كلّ رعية في الإسلام دانت بولاية كلّ إمام عادل من الله وإن كانت الرعية في أعمالها ظالمةً مسيئة. (13) Ibn Mahboob narrated from Hisham bin Salim from Habeeb as-Sajistani that Imam Abu Ja’far as-Sadiq (عليه السلام) had said: Allah the Almighty has said: I will torture every group of Muslims that has believed in the guardianship of every imam of injustice even those Muslims are pious and God-fearing and I will forgive every group of Muslims that has believed in the guardianship of every just imam, whose imamate has been determined by Allah, even if these Muslims are guilty and sinful.” وأخبرنا سلامة بن محمد قال: حدثنا أحمد بن داود، قال: حدثنا علي بن الحسين بن بابويه، قال حدثنا سعد بن عبد الله، عن محمد بن الحسين بن أبي الخطاب، عن المفضل بن زائدة، عن المفضل بن عمر قال: قال أبو عبد الله: من دان الله بغير سماع من عالمٍ صادق ألزمه الله التيهَ إلى العناء، ومَن ادعى سماعاً من غير الباب الذي فتحه الله لخلقه فهو مشرك به، وذلك الباب هو الأمين المأمون على سر الله المكنون. (18) Salama bin Muhammad narrated from Ahmad bin Dawood from Ali bin al-Husayn bin Babawayh from Sa’d bin Abdullah from Muhammad bin al-Husayn bin Abul Khattab from al-Mufadhdhal bin Za’ida from al-Mufadhdhal bin Umar that Abu Abdullah as-Sadiq (عليه السلام) had said: “Whoever worships Allah without learning (the principles of worship) from a truthful jurisprudent, Allah will let him be confused and astray and whoever claims that he has heard from other than the gate (source) that Allah has opened to His people, is considered as a polytheist. That gate is the trusted one, who has been entrusted (by Allah) with the hidden secret of Allah.” The same thing was narrated by Muhammad bin Ya’qoob al-Kulayni from some of his companions from Abdul Adheem bin Abdullah al-Hasani from Malik bin Aamir from al-Mufadhdhal bin Za’ida from al-Mufadhdhal bin Umar from Imam as-Sadiq (عليه السلام). Is that unity that our Imams (عليه السلام) have taught us? Kindly explain. How did you manage to include all groups of Muslims in Ummat e wahida?
  15. All these hadiths suggest we are not one. Ummat e wahid in verse doesn't refer to others but only Shia.
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