Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi

Nothing wrong with his narration. 1st call will be call of some angel and other call will be a call by Shaitan.

مَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى عَنْ عَبْدِ الله بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنْ عَلِيِّ بْنِ الْحَكَمِ عَنْ أَبَانِ بْنِ عُثْمَانَ عَنْ عَبْدِ الله بْنِ أَبِي يَعْفُورٍ قَالَ وَحَدَّثَنِي حُسَيْنُ بْنُ أَبِي الْعَلاءِ أَنَّهُ حَضَرَ ابْنَ أَبِي يَعْفُورٍ فِي هَذَا الْمَجْلِسِ قَالَ سَأَلْتُ أَبَا عَبْدِ الله (عَلَيْهِ السَّلام) عَنِ اخْتِلافِ الْحَدِيثِ يَرْوِيهِ مَنْ نَثِقُ بِهِ وَمِنْهُمْ مَنْ لا نَثِقُ بِهِ قَالَ إِذَا وَرَدَ عَلَيْكُمْ حَدِيثٌ فَوَجَدْتُمْ لَهُ شَاهِداً مِنْ كِتَابِ الله أَوْ مِنْ قَوْلِ رَسُولِ الله (صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِه) وَإِلا فَالَّذِي جَاءَكُمْ بِهِ أَوْلَى بِهِ. 2. Muhammad ibn Yahya has narrated from ‘Abdallah ibn Muhammad from Ali ibn al-Hakam from Aban ibn ‘Uthman from ’Abdallah ibn abu Ya‘fur who has said the following. “In a meeting where ibn abi Ya‘fur was also present I asked Imam abu ‘Abdallah ((عليه السلام).) about the differences in Hadith which is narrated from people whom we trust and yet from other people we do not trust.” The Imam replied, “If you come across a Hadith and you find evidence in the holy Quran to support it or in Hadith of the holy Prophet (you may follow it), otherwise, you follow the one that has come to you through the trustworthy narrator.” Shaykh Baqir al-Behbudi: صحيح - Sahih al-Kafi (11/ 1)

Salam brother. Brother these kind of questions can't be answered by most of people because they are super technical questions and most of us ( Or maybe only me ) have no knowledge of ilm-ul-hadeeth. And the answer may vary like you asked can a fatwa be issued over weak hadith? 1. What is definition of weak hadith? There are plenty of different approaches or methodologies that are different for different scholars ( present era ). And as for classical scholars, i dont think chains and narrators were that relevant or if they were, they may have had different approaches as well. It gets complex for some, and hard for ordinary people to spare that much time to study science of hadeeth. Also most of shias ( subcontinent / Europe ) don't know arabic so they honestly can't proceed even if they wanted to.

Truth is, i started late, and almost completed Madinah Book-1 course on Madrassah Tul Furqan's channel on Youtube. I found it very easy ( maybe because i speak urdu ) but just like many other people, i didn't continue it afterwards. So its been almost a year since i stopped learning arabic and i've forgot most of it but do remember somethings. And as for the question about its effectiveness, yes it did improve my arabic a bit. Like book 1 is very basic right? But i could literally read some sentences in hadith books. But unfortunately, i was lazy and inconsistent to carry on learning. I've got plans to start those courses again but now a days, just focusing on interview preps. Havent found a job and its been 1.5 months of graduation lol.

Here see Imam Ali (عليه السلام) surely had idea that he was appointed as imam at Ghadeer: حدثنا محمد بن موسى بن المتوكل رضي الله عنه قال: حدثنا علي بن الحسين السعد آبادي، عن أحمد بن أبي عبد الله البرقي، عن أبيه، عن محمد بن سنان، عن المفضل بن عمر، عن أبي الجارود زياد بن المنذر عن جابر بن يزيد الجعفي، عن جابر بن عبد الله الانصاري قال: خطبنا علي بن أبي طالب عليه السلام فحمد الله وأثنى عليه، ثم قال: أيها الناس إن قدام منبركم هذا أربعة رهط من أصحاب محمد صلى الله عليه وآله منهم أنس بن مالك، والبراء بن عازب، والاشعث بن قيس الكندي، وخالد بن يزيد البجلي، ثم أقبل على أنس فقال: يا أنس إن كنت سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله يقول: "من كنت مولاه فهذا علي مولاه" ثم لم تشهد لي اليوم بالولاية فلا أماتك الله حتى يبتليك ببرص لا تغطيه العمامةوأما أنت يا أشعث فان كنت سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله يقول: "من كنت مولاه فهذا علي مولاه" ثم لم تشهد لي اليوم بالولاية فلا أماتك الله حتى يذهب بكريمتيك، وأما أنت يا خالد بن يزيد فان كنت سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله يقول: "من كنت مولاه فهذا علي مولاه اللهم وال من والاه وعاد من عاداه" ثم لم تشهد لي اليوم بالولاية فلا أماتك الله إلا ميتة جاهلية، وأما أنت يا براء بن عازب فان كنت سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله يقول: "من كنت مولاه فهذا علي مولاه اللهم وال من والاه وعاد من عاداه" ثم لم تشهد لي اليوم بالولاية فلا أماتك الله إلا حيث هاجرت منهقال: جابر بن عبد الله الانصاري: والله لقد رأيت أنس بن مالك وقد ابتلى ببرص يغطيه بالعمامة فما تستره، ولقد رأيت الاشعث بن قيس وقد ذهبت كريمتاه، وهو يقول: الحمد الله الذي جعل دعاء أمير المؤمنين علي بن أبي طالب علي بالعمى في الدنيا ولم يدع علي بالعذاب في الآخرة فاعذب، وأما خالد بن يزيد فانه مات فأراد أهله أن يدفنوه وحفر له في منزله فدفن، فسمعت بذلك كندة فجاءت بالخيل والابل فعقرتها على باب منزله، فمات ميتة جاهلية. وأما البراء بن عازب فانه ولاه معاوية اليمن فمات بها ومنها كان هاجر Ali ibn Abi Talib (MGB) delivered a sermon, recited praises and glorifications of God. Then he stated, ‘O people! There are four individuals among the Prophet’s companions here. These four well-known companions of God’s Prophet are Anas ibn Malik , Al-Bara ibn Azib, Ash’ath ibn Qays and Khalid ibn Yazid al-Bajaly. Then Ali (MGB) turned to Anas (ibn Malik) and said, ‘O Anas! You heard God’s Prophet (MGB) say, ‘This Ali is the master of whomever I am the master of.’ However, you are not testifying to my Mastery today. May God strike you with whiteness (vitiligo ) that shall not be hidden by a turban.’And you O Ash’ath! You heard God’s Prophet (MGB) say, ‘This Ali is the master of whomever I am the master of.’ However, you are not testifying to my Mastery today. May God not take away your life before both your eyes go blind!’And you O Khalid ibn Yazid (al-Bajaly)! You heard God’s Prophet (MGB) say, ‘This Ali is the master of whomever I am the master of. O my God! Be friends with whomever is his friend, and be the enemy of whoever is his enemy.’ However, you are not testifying to my Mastery today. May God not take away your life except as it was in the Age of Ignorance!’And you O Bara ibn Azib! You heard God’s Prophet (MGB) say, ‘This Ali is the master of whomever I am the master of. O my God! Be friends with whomever is his friend, and be the enemy of whoever is his enemy.’ However, you are not testifying to my Mastery today. May God not take away your life except in the place where you emigrated from!”Jabir ibn Abdullah al-Ansari added, “I swear by God that I saw Anas ibn Malik who had become ill with vitiligo so badly that he could never cover it up with his turban. I saw Ash’ath ibn Qays with his both of his eyes blind. He kept on saying, ‘I praise God who fulfilled the curse of Ali ibn Abi Talib (MGB) on me in this world and that Ali (MGB) did not curse me to be tortured in the Hereafter!’ Also when Khalid ibn Yazid (al-Bajaly) died, his next of kin buried him in the house. When the Kondeh tribe heard about this, they brought a horse and a camel and slaughtered both in his house as it was the common practice during the Age of Ignorance!’ And Al-Bara ibn Azib was appointed as the governor of Yemen by Muawiyah. He died in the place where he had migrated from.” Ref: Al-Khisal You said hadith is vague or it doesn't mean leadership, Ali himself had no clue etc... Then why is Ali (عليه السلام) getting angry over people not testifying to a mere vague hadith that proves nothing? ( dont come up with nonsense that our books are not hujjah, i'd say your books are not hujjah for us. I quoted these to.prove hadith of ghadeer is not vague according to shias )

I understand he wants to assert hadith of ghadeer is vague for that he has quoted a few shia scholars who've considered it a hidden proof. Maybe he's quoted them out of context i'm un aware of what they mean, but here, lets go by shia traditions and see if hadith of ghadeer is vague according to shias or not: عَلِيُّ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنِ ابْنِ أَبِي عُمَيْرٍ عَنْ عُمَرَ بْنِ أُذَيْنَةَ عَنْ زُرَارَةَ وَالْفُضَيْلِ بْنِ يَسَارٍ وَبُكَيْرِ بْنِ أَعْيَنَ وَمُحَمَّدِ بْنِ مُسْلِمٍ وَبُرَيْدِ بْنِ مُعَاوِيَةَ وَأَبِي الْجَارُودِ جَمِيعاً عَنْ ابي جعفر (عَلَيْهِ السَّلام) قَالَ أَمَرَ الله عَزَّ وَجَلَّ رَسُولَهُ بِوَلايَةِ عَلِيٍّ وَأَنْزَلَ عَلَيْهِ إِنَّما وَلِيُّكُمُ الله وَرَسُولُهُ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا الَّذِينَ يُقِيمُونَ الصَّلاةَ وَيُؤْتُونَ الزَّكاةَ وَفَرَضَ وَلايَةَ أُولِي الامْرِ فَلَمْ يَدْرُوا مَا هِيَ فَأَمَرَ الله مُحَمَّداً (صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِه) أَنْ يُفَسِّرَ لَهُمُ الْوَلايَةَ كَمَا فَسَّرَ لَهُمُ الصَّلاةَ وَالزَّكَاةَ وَالصَّوْمَ وَالْحَجَّ فَلَمَّا أَتَاهُ ذَلِكَ مِنَ الله ضَاقَ بِذَلِكَ صَدْرُ رَسُولِ الله (صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِه) وَتَخَوَّفَ أَنْ يَرْتَدُّوا عَنْ دِينِهِمْ وَأَنْ يُكَذِّبُوهُ فَضَاقَ صَدْرُهُ وَرَاجَعَ رَبَّهُ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ فَأَوْحَى الله عَزَّ وَجَلَّ إِلَيْهِ يا أَيُّهَا الرَّسُولُ بَلِّغْ ما أُنْزِلَ إِلَيْكَ مِنْ رَبِّكَ وَإِنْ لَمْ تَفْعَلْ فَما بَلَّغْتَ رِسالَتَهُ وَالله يَعْصِمُكَ مِنَ النَّاسِ فَصَدَعَ بِأَمْرِ الله تَعَالَى ذِكْرُهُ فَقَامَ بِوَلايَةِ علي (عَلَيْهِ السَّلام) يَوْمَ غَدِيرِ خُمٍّ فَنَادَى الصَّلاةَ جَامِعَةً وَأَمَرَ النَّاسَ أَنْ يُبَلِّغَ الشَّاهِدُ الْغَائِبَ قَالَ عُمَرُ بْنُ أُذَيْنَةَ قَالُوا جَمِيعاً غَيْرَ أَبِي الْجَارُودِ وَقَالَ أَبُو جَعْفَرٍ (عَلَيْهِ السَّلام) وَكَانَتِ الْفَرِيضَةُ تَنْزِلُ بَعْدَ الْفَرِيضَةِ الاخْرَى وَكَانَتِ الْوَلايَةُ آخِرَ الْفَرَائِضِ فَأَنْزَلَ الله عَزَّ وَجَلَّ الْيَوْمَ أَكْمَلْتُ لَكُمْ دِينَكُمْ وَأَتْمَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعْمَتِي قَالَ أَبُو جَعْفَرٍ (عَلَيْهِ السَّلام) يَقُولُ الله عَزَّ وَجَلَّ لا أُنْزِلُ عَلَيْكُمْ بَعْدَ هَذِهِ فَرِيضَةً قَدْ أَكْمَلْتُ لَكُمُ الْفَرَائِضَ that Abu Ja’far (p.b.u.h.) said: “Allah, to Whom belong Might and Majesty, charged His Messenger with the Mastership of Ali, and sent down to him: Your Master is only Alldh, and His Messenger and those who believe who perform the prayer and pay zakat. He decreed the Mastership of those in authority, although they (the people) did not understand what it was. Allah command Muhammad (p.b.u.h.a.h.p.) to interpret (and explain) Mastership for them as he had interpreted (and explained) prayer, zakat, fasting and hajj. When this came to him from Allah, the mind of the Messenger of Allah (p.b.u.h.ah.p.) became straitened by it and he became afraid lest they (the people) abandon their religion and come to deny it. So his mind was staitened and he consulted with his Lord, to Whom belong Might and Majesty; and Allah to Whom belong Might and Majesty revealed to him: O Messenger, deliver that which has been sent down to thee from thy Lord; for if thou cost not, thou wig not have delivered His Message. Allah will protect thee from men (al-Ma’idah, 5:67). He complied with the command of Allah, may remembrance of Him be exlated, and endorsed the Mastership of Ali on the day of Ghadir Khumm. He convened the communal prayer, and he commanded the people that those who were witnesses should inform those who were absent.”—’Umar ibn Udhaynah said: `Ali but Abu’l-Jarudsaid: ’Abu Ja’far (p.b.uh.) said: “One divine precept came down after another, and the Mastership was the last divine ordinance. And Allah, to Whom belong Might and Majesty, sent down: Today I have completed your religion for you, and I have perfected My blessing upon you ( al-Matidah, 5 :3 ).” Abu Ja’ far (p.b.uh. ) said: “Allah, to Whom belong Might and Majesty, said: ’I shall not send down (any ordinance) to you after this ordinance: I have completed the divine ordinances for you.’ Ref Al-Kafi Allamah Baqir al-Majlisi: حسن - Mir‘at al ‘Uqul Fi Sharh Akhbar Al al Rasul (250/ 3) Even if a scholar has said something ( assuming ) that is against or not inline with Hadith of Masoomeen (عليه السلام), its not a hujjah for shias. Word of Imam is a bigger proof that word of some scholars ( that you obviously twisted )

I don't think your example of verse *dont raise your voices * fit here since its an order generally for everyone just like you said but paying zakat while praying isn't a general order for everyone. I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but you are nothing. You don't believe so what? You can't exclude authority from wilayah of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم). your refusal from accepting it is no proof. Neither for you, nor for us. And your books are not hujjah upon us. We have authentic narrations in Ehtejaj where imam (عليه السلام) used all of those hadiths to prove his leadership and our shia books are full of it Alhumdulillah. Way more than one so called authentic hadith that goes against apparent meanings of hadith Al-Ghadeer. Seems made up to me. Also you have weak narration that say Ayah Baligh 5:67 was revealed at Ghadeer and Hasan narration of Shahr bin Howshab from Abu Hurreira that Ayah Ikmal e deen was revealed after Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said Man kunto maula at ghadeer. Just by saying hadith is vague, doesnt make it vague. Just read the whole hadith it clearly proves leadership of Ali (عليه السلام). How many have transmitted hadith of ghadeer? According to shias, there are barely 104 Companions ( sunnis would bring number way down complaining they dont have chain to all and many are weak ) right? So out of 1 million Companions, you barely got 100 transmitting hadith Ghadeer and here you pretend like all the people transmitted it hahahaha. Do you even know that some of your scholars consider hadith transmitted by 4 Companions to be a mass transmitted hadeeth? With that low number of people out of million, it can be said they hid and when got the chance, they secretly transmitted it. Dont fool people, be realistic

Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) has not even left your body without an Imam ( brain ). If brain dies, non of things can function. Imagine not having a brain and having all other body parts 100% okay. They become useless and cant function. Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) hasnt left your body without an imam, you think he would leave his religion/world without an imam?

We as Muslims believe in Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). Why do we believe in Prophethood? What are messengers? Why were they sent? People needed hidayah and Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) chose messengers from them to guide them and remind them of Allah. After Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم), this need of hidayah still remains as misguided people are going to come till Qayamah. Therefore need of a being, who guides by command of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), and helps people ( physically or spiritually ) remains. There must be someone bro, who's Imam of time.

You just contradicted yourself. First said verse is revealed for Ali (عليه السلام), then saying its general to all believers. Wilayah of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) includes His authority over us, ita'at etc. That is not true for all believers. Not vague, they broke the oath they made at Ghadeer. Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) had said to Ali thay he is in same position to Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) as Harun was to Musa. After Musa left, his ummah betrayed Harun so did this ummah! Kindly read ehtejaj Al-Tabrisi where Imam (عليه السلام) has presented proofs of his imamah against the companions. Enough to prove it wasnt vague for companions but they ignored it. Any unbiased person, when reads full hadith of Ghadeer can see it refers to imamah, caliphate of Ali (عليه السلام).

Do you know that plurals are used sometimes out of respect? Like Quran ayat e Mubahila: فَمَنْ حَاجَّكَ فِيهِ مِنْ بَعْدِ مَا جَاءَكَ مِنَ الْعِلْمِ فَقُلْ تَعَالَوْا نَدْعُ أَبْنَاءَنَا وَأَبْنَاءَكُمْ وَنِسَاءَنَا وَنِسَاءَكُمْ وَأَنْفُسَنَا وَأَنْفُسَكُمْ Here أنفسنا نساءنا are plurals but misdaq of Anfusana is only Single person Ali (عليه السلام) and Misdaq of nisa'ana is only single lady Fatimah (عليه السلام). وَلَمَّا نَزَلَتْ هَذِهِ الآيَةُ ‏{‏ فَقُلْ تَعَالَوْا نَدْعُ أَبْنَاءَنَا وَأَبْنَاءَكُمْ‏}‏ دَعَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم عَلِيًّا وَفَاطِمَةَ وَحَسَنًا وَحُسَيْنًا فَقَالَ ‏"‏ اللَّهُمَّ هَؤُلاَءِ أَهْلِي Sad Bin Abi Waqqas said: when the (following) verse was revealed: "Let us summon our children and your children." Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) called 'Ali, Fatima, Hasan and Husain and said: O Allah, they are my family. Ref: Sahih Muslim كتاب فضائل الصحابة رضى الله تعالى عنهم The Book of the Merits of the companions Also there are many more examples in Quran but i don't remember them now.

Salam un aliakum. Sure lets discuss hadeeth of ghadeer e khum here and its context mentioned by Ahl-Sunnah. You claimed Ali (عليه السلام) had s*x with a slave girl, you should quote complete hadith for that. I've read some say this also some say Ali (عليه السلام) forbade the army to take anything from the loot on which army got angry over Ali (عليه السلام). Please go ahead and quote the hadeeths

Theres difference between definition of hadeeth between classical scholars vs present scholars. Ask some Akhbaris like Hasan Allahyari, this hadith is authentic according to classical scholars and their manhaj. There can be difference on authenticity of this narration between present scholars but there must be a group that deems it sahih. I personally checked the chain ( i'm no expert ). I'll list a few things once i'm back home InshaAllah.

This persons appears to be wasting everyone's time here. He makes up an analogy, asserts it, but when we use the same arguments to question Prophet hood and Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), he runs away. I know someone who can make him believe in Imamah though

So Alif bhai says, hadith says imam should correct believers and he isn't doing anything since there are differences among shia. In Quran Surah Layl, Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) says, guidance is upon him. Its upon Allah to guide people and we see 1000s if not millions of differences among people. It means Allah isn't guiding anyone either hahahahaha. So before questioning Allah's representative, go question Allah first that why aren't you guiding anyone lol.