Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi

The narration makes it very clear that they are just like anyone else. Do good have good.

So How'd you back this argument up? i:e the evidence for that? I'm not a hadith expert hence haven't studied all ahadith regarding this matter so can't say much. But if there are just "some" hadiths that go against Quran, i see no point in accepting them.

I think issue lies here. You can certainly say "our ahkaam" it's your right but can't impose as it's absolute shiaism. If something contradicts "aql" or "reason", "justice" some shias would reject attribution of such traditions to Imams (عليه السلام) Which i believe is logical and rationale. As It's well established that "no one will carry burden of anyone else's sin", questioning why can't such a child, who isn't responsible for sins for his parents be a judge, or lead prayers etc? It's a valid question not a "doubt"

I had crazy fear like back in 2020 then 2022 Now i don't The fact that something isn't avoidable, and we can do things to make it better i:e Ibadah, being nice being careful I'm 100% certain my lord would be infinite x more nice and careful for me. Put your faith in the Almighty Lord, everything is in his hands, whatever happens happens, whatever will happen, will happen there's nothing stopping it except for Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). So, trust him, and don't fear death, fear Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) instead and prepare. and distract yourself with work and some hobbies

As for Ali Bin Abi Hamza, and Hasan Bin Ali bin Abi Hamza They being waqifis, narrate this tradition naming 12 imams from Imam Sadiq (عليه السلام) who even they consider an Imam. I was wondering if these waqifi people later turned back to being 12vers. They certainly could've initially been waqifi as many shia at times were confused about who'd be the next imam but then later when the recognized the next imam, they accepted him It's mentioned in Kitab Al Duafa by Al-Ghadairi 32 - علي بن أبي حمزة - لعنه الله -. أصل الوقف، وأشد الخلق عداوة للولي من بعد أبي إبراهيم (عليهما السلام). 32 – ʿAlī b. Abī Ḥamza – may God curse him – the root of Waqf (ie. a founder of the Wāqifī sect), the most intense of creation in enmity to the Walī after Abū Ibrāhīm . عليه السلام Kitāb al-Ḍuʿafāʾ, ʿAlī b. Abī Ḥamza, Hadith #1 https://thaqalayn.net/hadith/17/17/32/1 However, the book itself being disconnect from Ibn Tawus to Al-Ghadairi (chainless transmission) without any ijaza doesn't prove much However, these two have been criticized by others too. From Rijal Al-Kashi: عن علي بن أبي حمزة قال قال لي أبو الحسن يعني الأول عليه السلام يا علي أنت وأصحابك أشباه الحمير On the authority of `Ali ibn Abi Hamzah who said: “Abu al Hassan (i.e., the first) `alayh al Salam said to me, ‘O, `Ali. You and your companions resemble donkeys.’ (It was said to Ali Bin Abi Hamza by Imam (عليه السلام)) Then from Bihar Al Anwar: "روى الأشعري عن عبد الله بن محمد، عن الخشاب، عن أبي داود قال: كنت أنا وعيينة بياع القصب عند علي بن أبي حمزة البطائني - وكان رئيس الواقفة - فسمعته يقول: قال أبو إبراهيم عليه السلام: إنما أنت وأصحابك يا علي أشباه الحمير، فقال لي عيينة: أسمعت؟ قلت: إي والله لقد سمعت، فقال: لا والله لا أنقل إليه قدمي ما حييت." Al-Ash‘ari narrated from ʿAbd Allah ibn Muhammad, from al-Khashshab, from Abu Dawud who said: "I was with ʿUyaynah, the seller of reeds, at the house of Ali ibn Abi Hamzah al-Bata'ini – and he was the leader of the Waqifiyya – when I heard him say: Abu Ibrahim (peace be upon him) [i.e., Imam Musa al-Kazim] said: “You and your companions, O Ali, are just like donkeys.” So ʿUyaynah said to me, “Did you hear that?” I said, “Yes, by Allah, I heard it.” Then he said, “By Allah, I will never step foot in this place again for as long as I live.”" These are narrations that led to their unreliability and people also called them liars i'm sure due to these. However, Imam (عليه السلام) calling someone a donkey, it doesn't equates to lying, rather it equates to being dumb or maybe he misunderstood very clear things etc whatever maybe the reason. They were waqifi and were called donkeys by Imam. See the point, the narration where Imam (عليه السلام) called him a donkey, comes from the person himself which is a strong shahid of his honesty. And earlier scholars relied on him and quoted his hadiths in books for which they testified in intros to be authentic, authoritative and reliable is evidence for his trustworthiness as a hadith transmitter and musannif. Besides, lets assume he was an anti-twlever shia, narrating from his imam a tradition with names of twelve imams, is strong shahid of his honesty and origin of hadiths in early 12ver shiaism.

1. محمد بن موسى بن المتوكل رضي الله عن He's from Mashaikh of Sadooq for whom Sheikh Sadooq while narrating hadiths used رضي الله عن strong evidence of his high status as a Shia Hadith Scholar. Those who say he is majhool, have no evidence, nor they have any evidence to reject sadooqs tardeeh Note: ("tardeeh" (تَرْضِيَة) refers to the act of saying "رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ" (may Allah be pleased with him) after mentioning someone). 2. محمد بن أبي عبد الله الكوفي (Thiqa) http://shiaonlinelibrary.com/الكتب/3006_معجم-رجال-الحديث-السيد-الخوئي-ج-١٥/الصفحة_280#top http://shiaonlinelibrary.com/الكتب/3021_المفيد-من-معجم-رجال-الحديث-محمد-الجواهري/الصفحة_495 3. موسي بن عمران النخعي (Thiqa) http://shiaonlinelibrary.com/الكتب/3021_المفيد-من-معجم-رجال-الحديث-محمد-الجواهري/الصفحة_637 4. الحسين بن يزيد (Thiqa) http://shiaonlinelibrary.com/الكتب/3021_المفيد-من-معجم-رجال-الحديث-محمد-الجواهري/الصفحة_192 5th & 6th are Ali Bin Abi Hamza & Hasan Bin Ali Bin Abi Hamza who were Waqifis, have been cursed by some and have also been called liars. They can be discussed later.

كمال الدين وتمام النعمة - للشيخ الجليل الأقدم الصدوق - ج ١ - الصفحة ٢٨٦ Kamal Ud Deen by Sheikh Sadooq حدثنا محمد بن موسى بن المتوكل رضي الله عنه قال: حدثنا محمد بن أبي عبد الله الكوفي قال: حدثنا موسي بن عمران النخعي، عن عمه الحسين بن يزيد، عن الحسن ابن علي بن أبي حمزة، عن أبيه، عن الصادق جعفر بن محمد، عن أبيه، عن آبائه عليهم السلام قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله: حدثني جبرئيل عن رب العزة جل جلاله أنه قال: من علم أن لا إله إلا أنا وحدي، وأن محمدا عبدي ورسولي، وأن علي بن أبي طالب خليفتي، وأن الأئمة من ولده حججي أدخله الجنة برحمتي، ونجيته من النار بعفوي، وأبحث له جواري، وأوجبت له كرامتي، وأتممت عليه نعمتي، وجعلته من خاصتي وخالصتي، إن ناداني لبيته، وإن دعاني أجبته، وإن سألني أعطيته، وإن سكت ابتدأته، وإن أساء رحمته، وإن فر مني دعوته، وإن رجع إلى قبلته وإن قرع بابي فتحته. ومن لم يشهد أن لا إله إلا أنا وحدي أو شهد بذلك ولم يشهد أن محمدا عبدي ورسولي، أو شهد بذلك ولم يشهد أن علي بن أبي طالب خليفتي، أو شهد بذلك ولم يشهد أن الأئمة من ولده حججي فقد جحد نعمتي، وصغر عظمتي، و كفر بآياتي وكتبي، إن قصدني حجبته، وإن سألني حرمته، وإن ناداني لم أسمع نداءه، وإن دعاني لم أستجب دعاءه، وإن رجاني خيبته، وذلك جزاؤه مني و ما أنا بظلام للعبيد. فقام جابر بن عبد الله الأنصاري فقال: يا رسول الله ومن الأئمة من ولد علي ابن أبي طالب؟ قال: الحسن والحسين سيدا شباب أهل الجنة، ثم سيد العابدين في زمانه علي بن الحسين، ثم الباقر محمد بن علي وستدركه يا جابر، فإذا أدركته فأقرئه مني السلام، ثم الصادق جعفر بن محمد، ثم الكاظم موسى بن جعفر، ثم الرضا علي بن موسى، ثم التقي محمد بن علي، ثم النقي علي بن محمد، ثم الزكي الحسن بن علي، ثم ابنه القائم بالحق مهدي أمتي الذي يملأ الأرض قسطا و عدلا كما ملئت جورا وظلما، هؤلاء يا جابر خلفائي وأوصيائي وأولادي وعترتي من أطاعهم فقد أطاعني، ومن عصاهم فقد عصاني، ومن أنكرهم أو أنكر واحدا منهم فقد أنكرني، بهم يمسك الله عز وجل السماء أن تقع على الأرض إلا بإذنه، وبهم يحفظ الله الأرض أن تميد بأهلها Narrated by: Muḥammad ibn Mūsā ibn al-Mutawakkil (may God be pleased with him) said: Muḥammad ibn Abī ʿAbd Allāh al-Kūfī narrated to us, from Mūsā ibn ʿImrān al-Nakhaʿī, from his uncle al-Ḥusayn ibn Yazīd, from al-Ḥasan ibn ʿAlī ibn Abī Ḥamzah, from his father, from al-Ṣādiq Jaʿfar ibn Muḥammad, from his father, from his forefathers (peace be upon them), who said: The Prophet Muḥammad ﷺ said: Then Jābir ibn ʿAbd Allāh al-Anṣārī stood and said: The Prophet ﷺ replied: “These, O Jābir, are my successors, my trustees, my sons, and my progeny. Whoever obeys them has obeyed me. Whoever disobeys them has disobeyed me. Whoever denies them, or even denies one of them, has denied me. Through them, Allah holds up the heavens so they do not fall on the earth—except by His permission. And through them, He protects the earth from shaking with its inhabitants.”

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you deserve everything bro but the world is cruel

Being moderate causes no harm. It's better to stay away from shubhaat as Imams (عليه السلام) have told us. God is not going to ask you on the day of judgement if 12 Imams are better than all prophets (عليه السلام) except for one (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) or not. However, majority of shias might also disagree with Shaykh Tusi over this issue as they have stronger proofs. Where did anyone say that? I don't think hadith or any shia says that. Brother in post referred to number of ism e azam to be 73. How come this equates to Allah s.w.ts knowledge and Marifah be limited to 73? Knowledge and Marifah also can't be counted. @In Gods Name brother you need to stop putting allegations on everyone. You've already known how shallow wahabism is, you don't have to impress anyone by rejecting certain hadiths. There could be severe punishment for that in Akhirah so fear Allah Same goes for Isteghasa bi GhairAllah. Asking someone other than Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) for help. I believe it has been discussed in the past and there's certainly no issues with it. We ask random people in our daily lives for help it's isteghasa too. Now Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and Imams (عليه السلام) were given knowledge and miracles of all the previous Prophets (عليه السلام) how can asking them be shirk? It's non sense. Tatbir isn't even a belief and Wilayat Takiwini, I don't know about it honestly.

He has Ears, He has legs and he'll put one into hellfire on the day of judgement He has curly hair, when he sits, his back is bigger than chair (backside you sit on) He has face, and he will be seen in akhirah, people recognizing him looking at portion of his foot (don't know what that body part is called in English) Also heard he doesn't have a beard and looks like young boy He descends (just like ibn taymiah showed how he descended from the pulpit) They should be glad christians and Atheists don't read classical texts or they'd be in trouble

Brother @In Gods Name might have misunderstood it and i believe same goes for his stance on Istaghasa. However, Salafi Tawheed is much worse. Recently there's been Hasan Allayari's English live stream on this same issue "Salafi Tawheed" where he shows much much references of weird things they attribute to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and yet they've the audacity to call Sunnis and Shias Mushriks LOL

And they really have the audacity to talk about Tawheed? Lol

میں نہیں جانتا کہ آپ میں سے کتنے لوگوں نے علی علیہ السلام کی شان میں اس کلام کو سنا ہے، مگر مجھے اب تک کے بہترین کلاموں میں سے ایک یہ لگا

My past self would've said the similar stuff about me However, sometimes we go through things just because we're too nice, humble, people take advantage and betray That sort of triggered the change in me too now i'm rude too but only if one tries to cross the lines or to take advantage no matter who the person is I focus on what pleases me and I'm happy this way, can't believe did all what i did in past to please everyone still ended up like this Not saying being egoistic hostile is a good thing, it shouldn't be but sometimes we're also crossing the lines without realizing and when a person tries to set boundaries we think of them as selfish/mean. Self reflection is also very very imp and society lacks it. loves to blame others for their mess