Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi

here let me share a narration from our Master our Imam Muhammad Al-Baqir (عليه السلام) from Al-Kafi مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنِ الْحَسَنِ بْنِ مَحْبُوبٍ عَنْ هِشَامِ بْنِ سَالِمٍ عَنْ زُرَارَةَ قَالَ قُلْتُ لابي جعفر ((عليه السلام)) أَخْبِرْنِي عَنْ مَعْرِفَةِ الامَامِ مِنْكُمْ وَاجِبَةٌ عَلَى جَمِيعِ الْخَلْقِ فَقَالَ إِنَّ الله عَزَّ وَجَلَّ بَعَثَ مُحَمَّداً ﷺ إِلَى النَّاسِ أَجْمَعِينَ رَسُولاً وَحُجَّةً لله عَلَى جَمِيعِ خَلْقِهِ فِي أَرْضِهِ فَمَنْ آمَنَ بِالله وَبِمُحَمَّدٍ رَسُولِ الله وَاتَّبَعَهُ وَصَدَّقَهُ فَإِنَّ مَعْرِفَةَ الامَامِ مِنَّا وَاجِبَةٌ عَلَيْهِ وَمَنْ لَمْ يُؤْمِنْ بِالله وَبِرَسُولِهِ وَلَمْ يَتَّبِعْهُ وَلَمْ يُصَدِّقْهُ وَيَعْرِفْ حَقَّهُمَا فَكَيْفَ يَجِبُ عَلَيْهِ مَعْرِفَةُ الامَامِ وَهُوَ لا يُؤْمِنُ بِالله وَرَسُولِهِ وَيَعْرِفُ حَقَّهُمَا قَالَ قُلْتُ فَمَا تَقُولُ فِيمَنْ يُؤْمِنُ بِالله وَرَسُولِهِ وَيُصَدِّقُ رَسُولَهُ فِي جَمِيعِ مَا أَنْزَلَ الله يَجِبُ عَلَى أُولَئِكَ حَقُّ مَعْرِفَتِكُمْ قَالَ نَعَمْ أَ لَيْسَ هَؤُلاءِ يَعْرِفُونَ فُلاناً وَفُلاناً قُلْتُ بَلَى قَالَ أَ تَرَى أَنَّ الله هُوَ الَّذِي أَوْقَعَ فِي قُلُوبِهِمْ مَعْرِفَةَ هَؤُلاءِ وَالله مَا أَوْقَعَ ذَلِكَ فِي قُلُوبِهِمْ إِلا الشَّيْطَانُ لا وَالله مَا أَلْهَمَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ حَقَّنَا إِلا الله عَزَّ وَجَلَّ Muhammad ibn Yahya has narrated from Ahmad ibn Muhammad from al-Hassan ibn Mahbub from Hisham ibn Salim from Zurara who has said the following. “I said to abu Ja’far ((عليه السلام)), ‘Is knowing the Imam from among you obligatory on all creatures?’” The Imam ((عليه السلام)) said, “Allah, the Most Holy, the Most High, sent Muhammad to all people as His Messenger and as His authority over all creatures on earth. Those who have faith in Allah and that Muhammad is His Messenger and have followed him and have acknowledged his message on such people it is obligatory to (know) the Imam from us. Those who do not have faith in Allah and in His messenger and who do not follow him and do not acknowledge him and do not acknowledge the rights of Allah and His messenger then knowing the Imam ((عليه السلام)) would be obligatory on them? They do not have faith in Allah and in His messenger, do not follow him and do not acknowledge their rights.” I then asked, “What would you say about those who have faith in Allah and His messenger who acknowledge His messenger in all the matters that have come from Allah, is it obligatory for them to know the Imam ((عليه السلام)) from you?” The Imam ((عليه السلام)) said, “Yes, it is obligatory. Do they not know so and so?” I said, “yes, they do.” The Imam ((عليه السلام)) then said, “Do you think Allah is the one who has placed such knowledge in their hearts? No, I swear to Allah that no one other than Satan has placed such knowledge in their hearts. I swear to Allah that no one other than Allah, the Most Holy, the Most High, has inspired our rights in hearts of the believers.” صحيح Mir‘at al ‘Uqul Fi Sharh Akhbar Al al Rasul (2/302) Allamah Baqir al-Majlisi صحيح Sahih al-Kafi (25/ 1) Shaykh Baqir al-Behbudi Link: https://thaqalayn.net/chapter/1/4/7 Hadith#3 Read the hadeeth and tell me, still doubt if there's proof of obeying a divine authority after Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)?

Brother i do not know ghaib, the least i can say is these people (Al-Islaah) are certainly misguided. Everyone among shias 12vers know, that interpreting Quran by ones own opinion is not a Hujjah for anyone and is strictly prohibited. Because no scholar, or no person on Earth knows when which & for whom verses were revealed except for Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). And Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) gave this knowledge of Ambiyah (عليه السلام) & Aima (عليه السلام). Whatever they taught us, its 100% hujjah and our scholars Alhumdulillah take interpretations of verses from Imams (عليه السلام) for whom, no verse of Quran is ambiguous. Verses are ambiguous for people like you & me who don't know what Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) said or meant specifically in the case of Mutashabihaat but Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) knows, and the divine authority on earth knows. Our scholars take interpretations from Aima (عليه السلام) so it's not like we're toying with Quran & taking whatever meaning we like out of context. That's just a lie. Don't doubt your religion brother just because some people who're not willing to debate any shia scholar made a youtube channel and started preaching irrationality. Besides the sermons they quote from Nahaj ul Balagha are misquoted. Also, these salafi numa shias would shamelessly quote sermons of Najahj ul Balagha without proving authenticity of chain of sermons upto their standards. Just claiming something is narrated by ghulat, doesn't prove it brother. Do not worry or doubt your religion because of these people.

Assalam o aliakum. Brother, the divine appointment of a Hujjah for people has always been the Sunnah of the Lord Almighty (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). Is there any mention of such Ummah in Quran, who was allowed to select pious scholars as leaders ever? Is there any example of Ummah, who was left without a divinely appointed being in them? Contrary to that, we can just go forever quoting verses like Bismillah. ۞ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ ٱصْطَفَىٰٓ ءَادَمَ وَنُوحًۭا وَءَالَ إِبْرَٰهِيمَ وَءَالَ عِمْرَٰنَ عَلَى ٱلْعَـٰلَمِينَ ٣٣ Indeed, Allah chose Adam, Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of ’Imrân above all people ˹of their time˺. ذُرِّيَّةًۢ بَعْضُهَا مِنۢ بَعْضٍۢ ۗ وَٱللَّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ ٣٤ They are descendants of one another. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing. Then in Surah Al-Anam: وَتِلْكَ حُجَّتُنَآ ءَاتَيْنَـٰهَآ إِبْرَٰهِيمَ عَلَىٰ قَوْمِهِۦ ۚ نَرْفَعُ دَرَجَـٰتٍۢ مَّن نَّشَآءُ ۗ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ حَكِيمٌ عَلِيمٌۭ ٨٣ This was the argument We gave Abraham against his people. We elevate in rank whoever We please. Surely your Lord is All-Wise, All-Knowing. وَوَهَبْنَا لَهُۥٓ إِسْحَـٰقَ وَيَعْقُوبَ ۚ كُلًّا هَدَيْنَا ۚ وَنُوحًا هَدَيْنَا مِن قَبْلُ ۖ وَمِن ذُرِّيَّتِهِۦ دَاوُۥدَ وَسُلَيْمَـٰنَ وَأَيُّوبَ وَيُوسُفَ وَمُوسَىٰ وَهَـٰرُونَ ۚ وَكَذَٰلِكَ نَجْزِى ٱلْمُحْسِنِينَ ٨٤ And We blessed him with Isaac and Jacob. We guided them all as We previously guided Noah and those among his descendants: David, Solomon, Job, Joseph, Moses, and Aaron. This is how We reward the good-doers وَزَكَرِيَّا وَيَحْيَىٰ وَعِيسَىٰ وَإِلْيَاسَ ۖ كُلٌّۭ مِّنَ ٱلصَّـٰلِحِينَ ٨٥ Likewise, ˹We guided˺ Zachariah, John, Jesus, and Elias, who were all of the righteous. وَإِسْمَـٰعِيلَ وَٱلْيَسَعَ وَيُونُسَ وَلُوطًۭا ۚ وَكُلًّۭا فَضَّلْنَا عَلَى ٱلْعَـٰلَمِينَ ٨٦ ˹We also guided˺ Ishmael, Elisha, Jonah, and Lot, favouring each over other people ˹of their time˺. وَمِنْ ءَابَآئِهِمْ وَذُرِّيَّـٰتِهِمْ وَإِخْوَٰنِهِمْ ۖ وَٱجْتَبَيْنَـٰهُمْ وَهَدَيْنَـٰهُمْ إِلَىٰ صِرَٰطٍۢ مُّسْتَقِيمٍۢ ٨٧ And ˹We favoured˺ some of their forefathers, their descendants, and their brothers. We chose them and guided them to the Straight Path. All of these people, were chosen by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), divinely appointed, granted with Nabuwah, Hikmah, Knowledge, and guidance, Obedience to them is & was obligatory. It has always been like that but you come, and tell me that after Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم), this Ummah is left on its own without a divine authority? Does this makes sense to you?

I've heard from our scholars that we've got very clear signs before the appearance of Imam Qaim (عليه السلام). It includes the murder of a syed in kabah, a voice coming from skies in Laylatul Qadr (and some more) & after that Imam (عليه السلام) would appear. One of my friends referred me to this website of Ahmadi Religion. Certainly, we've got no narration that says Imam (عليه السلام) would open a website and begin dawah online so ignore these people.

Seems like current app is fairly complex otherwise it wouldn't take months to solve these simple issues. A possible solution can be developing a separate extension for messaging but that won't be usable on mobile + wouldn't have history without collaboration of site owners devs or admins.

@amberzahra Salam un aliakum. May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) forgive us all, increase our love for Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) & Ahlebait (عليه السلام) and cause us to die on Emaan be haq e Syeda tun nisa il alameen (عليه السلام). How has been your journey so far regarding these waswasas? How did you fight off these evil thoughts and got yourself out of anxiety & depression? Soo many people would be curious to know about it. Its been almost 7 years since this thread was started.

its been a while, still no updates?

Ayah compares two groups among followers of Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) not possessors of divine authority.

Supporters cannot be better than inheritors of Imamah. If you're dumb, thats not our fault.

You just listed two taweel. Either names of famous personalities or beautiful names. I can literally pick the latter and you're done. Besides you admitted, tareekh when against sound hadiths / creed of a mazhab is not accepted. Then just stop already. How many times would you contradict yourself?

O bhai jaan even if there was some historical narrative that went against our sounds hadiths, it would either be rejected or we'd do its taweel. However incase of names, there's no proof that imams (عليه السلام) named there children after your caliphs. That's just your assumption. There's no evidence for that. Rather our Imams spoke against your views and its mass transmitted don't you understand this?

What happens when historical things go against sound/mutawatir akhbaar? Its either Taweel that applies to those historical narratives or they're rejected right? Common. That's where i wanted to bring you my dear. When you know, Imamah is easily proven through mutawatir & sound akhbaar of shias and rejection of caliphs of your mazhab is our creed, then why are you bringing a historical narrative that too with an assumption that Ali (عليه السلام) named his son Abu Bakr in love of 1st caliph of Ahle Sunnah? Don't you see your contradiction now?

الْحُسَيْنُ بْنُ مُحَمَّدٍ الاشْعَرِيُّ عَنْ مُعَلَّى بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ قَالَ خَرَجَ عَنْ أَبِي مُحَمَّدٍ ((عليه السلام)) حِينَ قُتِلَ الزُّبَيْرِيُّ هَذَا جَزَاءُ مَنِ افْتَرَى عَلَى الله فِي أَوْلِيَائِهِ زَعَمَ أَنَّهُ يَقْتُلُنِي وَلَيْسَ لِي عَقِبٌ فَكَيْفَ رَأَى قُدْرَةَ الله وَوُلِدَ لَهُ وَلَدٌ سَمَّاهُ م‏ح‏م‏د سَنَةَ سِتٍّ وَخَمْسِينَ وَمِائَتَيْنِ. 1. Al-Husayn ibn Muhammad al-Ash‘ari has narrated from Mu‘alla ibn Muhammad from Ahmad ibn Muhammad who has said the following. “When al-Zabayri was killed this letter came from abu Muhammad ((عليه السلام)). ‘Such as this is the retribution for those who lie against Allah in the matters of those who possess authority from Him. He thought that he will kill me and I will leave no children behind. How then he has experienced the power of Allah? “ A child was born to him -that he named M.H.M.D- in the year two hundred fifty six AH.” From Al-Kafi Hadith 1 of Chapter 125 in 4th book of volume 1. literally the 1st hadeeth of the chapter in Kafi. I agree there are letters but that isn't much of an issue. Shaykh kyulani testified to the authenticity of all narrations he included in Al-kafi in the book's introduction. So gradings of people coming several 100 years after him, declaring a wide number of narrators majhool simply has no basis. All of these akhbaar are alhamdulillah from Sahih sources.

Historical fact yet no connected/proven evidence to back it up eh? Besides as for the birth of 12th Imam, you are totally Jahil of shia hadith methodology and its not your fault by the way. However, according to Majlisi's grading, about 5-6 hadiths in kafi under the chapter of birth of 12th imam are sahih & 2 according to Behbudi but we deem all of those as sahih.

Bring a sahih us sanad narration from Sunni books first which proves imam had a son named Umar etc. then bring a Sahih us sanad narration from shia books. Then we talk about it.