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  1. Haha
    Leibniz reacted to Ejaz in Qur'an Vs personal morals   
    I've heard that it is a symbolic "beating" using a miswak / toothpick which is basically telling your wife that the marriage is about to end... as a last resort.
    Bigots love quoting these specific verses as "that is all Islam is" especially where I'm from. Never see these people quoting Surah Mujadila...
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    Leibniz reacted to Warilla in Qur'an Vs personal morals   
    There is a great thread about offensive jihad. But it raised a bigger question do we let the Qur'an speak. Or do we try to retrofit our own beliefs to it.
    Eg
    I grew up in western Europe. I'm a product of my environment.
    Topics such as slavery, striking wives, khizr killing children will never sit well with me but I accept my limitations and acknowledge Allah knows best.
    My question are there things in Islam that just don't sit well with you, but you nevertheless accept ?
  3. Angry
    Leibniz got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Mystery infections traced to blood-shedding religious ritual   
    If one has to name the most irrational barbaric and inhuman religious ritual of our times , it has to be the self flagellation of all sorts done by some Shias.
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    Leibniz reacted to Jaane Rabb in Mystery infections traced to blood-shedding religious ritual   
    Being a former self-flagellator, I thank the Lord (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) for opening my eyes.
    Meanwhile, pro-flagellators believe if someone was to die through such rituals, they would die as a shaheed.
    Not sure how dying from your own hands results in shahadat. Seems to have cheapened martyrdom.
    Salute to the real martyrs, that resist the enemy and are killed.
  5. Sad
    Leibniz reacted to Laayla in Muawiyah and the murder of Umar ibn Khattab.   
    Your understanding of Islamic history especially towards the m3soumeen Imams is bizarre.  Where do you get your information from or how do you form such opinions?
    Imam Ali wasn't trying to dethrone anyone, the ummah came begging for him to return to the caliphate after the death of Uthman.  
    You need to go polish on your historical facts, it's quite embarrassing on your end.
    M3 Salamah, Fe Amin Allah 
  6. Thanks
    Leibniz reacted to Panzerwaffe in Muawiyah and the murder of Umar ibn Khattab.   
    There was more cooperation between Umar and Ali than any of the 3 caliphs 
    Plus in umars time many of Ali supporters got political positions unlike in Abu bakrs time 
    And his policy of sabiqa favored his and close associates status atleast monetarily and in prestige if not politically 
     
    I think uthmans murder though was entirely justified 
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    Leibniz got a reaction from Panzerwaffe in Muawiyah and the murder of Umar ibn Khattab.   
    It was Omar who was bent on chopping Abu Sufyan's head when he approached the Prophet just before the fall of Mecca and it was Abbas who pleaded in Abu Sufyan's favour telling Omar that you would not have asked for chopping his head had he been a Bani Adi.
  8. Haha
    Leibniz got a reaction from Mahdavist in Muawiyah and the murder of Umar ibn Khattab.   
    I am not justifying Obayd's actions so spare me the copy paste.
  9. Confused
    Leibniz got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Did Imam Ali ((عليه السلام)) set fire to female couple?   
    What is so reprehensible about a consensual sexual act that he/she be burnt to death? What you are saying is like saying that a person prone to sinistrality is not punishable but his act of writing with the left hand (to which he is neurologically prone to) is punishable.
  10. Confused
    Leibniz got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Did Imam Ali ((عليه السلام)) set fire to female couple?   
    Hadiths like these are taking the people out of the fold of Islam and such narrations are quoted by many in the western world to shun away people from Islam and make them believe that Islamic Sharia is some barbaric code of law.
    Once we know that some people are genetically prone to homosexuality , who can justify such a barbaric stone age punishment inflicted upon a couple for just being homosexual? I wonder what was going in minds of the Hadithists when they were penning down such narrations and those who were "authenticating" them down the line.
  11. Partially Agree
    Leibniz got a reaction from shia_100 in Did Imam Ali ((عليه السلام)) set fire to female couple?   
    Hadiths like these are taking the people out of the fold of Islam and such narrations are quoted by many in the western world to shun away people from Islam and make them believe that Islamic Sharia is some barbaric code of law.
    Once we know that some people are genetically prone to homosexuality , who can justify such a barbaric stone age punishment inflicted upon a couple for just being homosexual? I wonder what was going in minds of the Hadithists when they were penning down such narrations and those who were "authenticating" them down the line.
  12. Completely Agree
    Leibniz reacted to Propaganda_of_the_Deed in Did Imam Ali ((عليه السلام)) set fire to female couple?   
    I agree, we see many Shias proudly distancing and dustinguishing from the likes of IS who spawned from Salafism.
    One of the arguments in supporting Assad in Syria for example was to prevent the barbarism and brutal rule of IS, much of their Shariah implementation being widely criticised and giving Islam a bad name, they literally tied people (not disimilar to Ayatollah Khoei's description quoted earlier) to a chair and chucked them off buildings.
    In a true Islamic state according to Shi'I fiqh, would gays face the same consequences as IS who everyone says are extremists?
    Also the beheading of the child seems harsh if true and I always believed Imam Ali (عليه السلام) was known for justice, so not quite sure how I feel about that.
    That being said, I am not one of these liberals who stand for lgbtxyz and whatever else is out there, but just personally think a death penalty is a bit harsh.
    Allah knows best of course
  13. Respectfully Disagree
    Leibniz got a reaction from TryHard in Who is Nafs az Zakiya?   
    Muhammad ibn Abdullah popularly known as "al-Nafs al-Zakiyya" was the grand grand son of Imam Hassan. He led an unsuccessful revolt against the Abbasid Caliph Al Mansur.
    Most of these revolts were rooted in eschatological claims and hence it was a popular myth those days that al-Nafs al-Zakiyya is the Mahdi. You can corelate his name to the name of Mahdi in Hadiths and see how these Hadiths originated or we're forged.
    Al-Nafs al-Zakiyya tried to imitate the Prophet while he was outnumbered and besieged with his supporters in Madina by the forces of Al Mansur , he claimed that this battle is going to be another "Battle of Ahzaab".
    So much so that he even made a trench around Madina digging around on the foundations of the trench of the battle of Ahzaab. He was deserted by his loyalists and he ended up getting killed , crucified. Before he got killed , he sold the Prophet's sword to a businessman for 400 coins.
    Similarly , the myth of " Mahdi's Army with black flags from Khurasan" originated from Abu Muslim Khurassani's army carrying black flags and marching on the Umayyad empire. All these eschatological claims were popularized for political purposes and later on they wormed into our theology and Hadiths.
    People in millions have perished waiting for a Mahdi , thousands of incidents and events in history have been interpreted as signs of his arrival  and we have had in dozens claimants of Mahdi (in both Shia and Sunni realms) but no heavenly figure is going to descend and do all the miraculous stuff Shia and Sunnis claim that he would do
     
     
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    Leibniz reacted to haideriam in Pakistan to continue to terrorize religious minorities   
    We are getting better or are moving along the right track. Don't expect miracles in a day..
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    Leibniz reacted to Panzerwaffe in Absolution of Yazid - Tabari   
    No it's not 
    How explain please  ? 
    People like me ??? Lol am I a vampire now that has existed for 1500 yrs
    Many hardened generals were in Imams army veterans of wars against Roman's and sassanians and most of the time they advised him wisely but during the war a lot of them died and many had grown too old by 40 AH.Ashtar was unquestionably one of them but not the only one.Ashtar would have be a great negotiator too btw 
    And initially it was ashtar who appointed Abu musa ashari as part govenor of kufa with hudhayfa when he deposed uthmans govrnever,  but ofcourse ashtar didn't have a crystal ball either he just did it with good intentions.He did not know Abu musa will later prove to be so incompetent and difficult to work with.
  16. Completely Agree
    Leibniz reacted to Panzerwaffe in Absolution of Yazid - Tabari   
    So essentially you will defend unconditionally all bani hashim but not say they are infallible? Sounds like what Sunnis do for all sahaba 
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    Leibniz reacted to Panzerwaffe in Absolution of Yazid - Tabari   
    Sit on the fence as our sources on history are not like CCTV footage.You might think it's so easy to be 100% certain about everything but it's not like that esp when it comes to judging someone's intention by mere reports most we can say his advice proved disastrous 
    What do u mean ibn abi Bakr never made it there? U are confusing him with ashtar nakai who was assassinated and never made it to Egypt 
    Ibn abi Bakr tried to reverse the wise policies of qays result was uthmani Egyptian revolted and overthrew him thus Imam lost the valuable province of Egypt with all its grain crucial for maintaining large armies 
    Abdullah b jafar did something good things too I.e atleast siding  Imam Ali in all his wars rather than being neutral as many hashimite were but if he had some weaknesses I pointed them out.But he was clearly incompetent in political and military matters and lived a luxurious life that's the best that I can say of Abdullah ibn jafar unlike his brave brother Muhammad b jafar who was heroically martyred in siffin on the  side of Imam 
    Reporting ibn jafar poor advice is hardly pro umavi lol esp since my intention was to favor Qays the most formidable umavi opponent 
    , tabari collected reports from pro uthmani pro zubayri  pro alid sources thsts a given fact no argument there 
  18. Completely Agree
    Leibniz got a reaction from Panzerwaffe in Absolution of Yazid - Tabari   
    Why would anyone "attack"  a benign personality like Abdullah Ibn Ja'far? What purpose does it serve? It was merely correcting the history. But it seems that you have taken the notion of infallibility to the next level ; from infallible Imams to the infallible Bani Hashim.
  19. Confused
    Leibniz reacted to Ashvazdanghe in Absolution of Yazid - Tabari   
    I don't know Banis Hashim infallible but I know they attack people like as Abdullah Ibn Ja'far to attck indirectly to Imam Ali (عليه السلام) because nobody can't attack Shia Imams because they are infallible but people around them can be attacked because they make mistakes & best way for attacking an infallible Imam is that people attack a close person to him that is fallible & makes mistakes so my defense is a preventive defense  as Imam Sadiq (عليه السلام) said to Shias be cause of our glory not cause of our discomfort & shame.
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    Leibniz reacted to Panzerwaffe in Absolution of Yazid - Tabari   
    To replace a battle hardened general whose diplomatic skills were outstanding and only matched by his loyalty to Imam with a young rookie who are inexperienced in both politics and battle is expectionally bad advice and not becoming of son of jafar b abi Talib (عليه السلام) 
    And God knows best 
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    Leibniz reacted to Panzerwaffe in Absolution of Yazid - Tabari   
    It was Abdullah b jafar who gave that bad advice to Imam Ali remove the formidable qays b saad as governor of Egypt 
     
     
  22. Completely Agree
    Leibniz got a reaction from Panzerwaffe in Absolution of Yazid - Tabari   
    Ws , I fear that's not very accurate as Budayh, Sahib Khathir, and Nashi-t were famous "full fledge" singers and all three of them had a very bad moral reputation as well. The association of Abdullah Ibn Ja'far with music is not limited to these narrations , there are much more to it 
  23. Completely Agree
    Leibniz got a reaction from Panzerwaffe in Absolution of Yazid - Tabari   
    Folk most probably as Abdullah Ibn Ja'far was more associated with folk vocalists.

    "Abd Allah loved music and did not see listening to it prohibited. He supported singers such as Budayh, Sahib Khathir, and Na[Edited Out]"
    http://en.mobile.wikishia.net/index.php/'Abd_Allah_b._Ja'far_b._Abi_Talib
  24. Completely Agree
    Leibniz got a reaction from Panzerwaffe in Absolution of Yazid - Tabari   
    Abdullah ibn Ja'far used to sing songs in the court of Mua'via and use to take the notable vocalists of Arabia with him there. Perhaps to appease Mua'via so that he does not act against Banu Hashim
  25. Confused
    Leibniz got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Absolution of Yazid - Tabari   
    Ws , I fear that's not very accurate as Budayh, Sahib Khathir, and Nashi-t were famous "full fledge" singers and all three of them had a very bad moral reputation as well. The association of Abdullah Ibn Ja'far with music is not limited to these narrations , there are much more to it 
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