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In the Name of God بسم الله


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  1. Shiasm is a heterogeneous mix of bad history and theology. A large part of Shia belief system relies on conspiracy theories. Its no wonder why the basic tenants of Shia Islam are missing from Quran. Shias have taken the politic conflict of rulership between Ali and the rest to another level. Secondly , Shia Islam is just an antithesis of Sunni Islam and has no legs of its own to stand on. I have listened to various Sunni sermons/lectures focusing on other aspects of religion without the mention of Shiaism but i have not heard any Shia sermon devoid of rants regarding Sunnism.
  2. Secondly , the "cursing" has become an integral part of the emotionalism i was referring to. You can't live without it being a Shia. Shiasm is just the antithesis of Sunnism and has no legs of its own to stand on.
  3. In terms of personal affiliation with religion , Shiasm might have some content but in terms of a social and political ideology there is a void. So much so that the very modern doctrine of "Willayat Faqih" utterly alien to classical Shiasm , has now become the dominant political doctrine of Usooli twelvers. The most mentioned "Path of ahlul bayt" is a vague and hollow emotional bandwagon which signifies nothing of a coherent and serious nature. As far as conversions , Shiasm can never attract masses like Sunnism for obvious reason. The basic tenants of Shiasm are feeble and stochastic , this chaotic structure is fogged and made palatable by the emotionalism of Karbala , Ashura , Fadak , the broken rib etc but once the dust settles down , one finds himself chasing his shadow.
  4. As Einstein said "God does not play dice". You are making God and his words sound like the vague language of Latino hip-hop which only the intoxicated hippies can understand. None of the verses are about about any Wilayah or ahlul bayt at all.
  5. I feel you pasted the wrong verses , none of them talks about Ahlul Bayt , Wilayah of Ali etc
  6. As far as "Wilayah of Abu bakr" , I do not believe it was announced by God rather it was the result of social act post the demise of the Prophet. Abu Bakr became the Caliph in the literal and practical sense. Further , if anyone feels that Abu Bakr usurped it etc , he is free to believe so based on historical accounts and i am sure God would not throw someone to hell for that
  7. Where else in Quran? Quran is utterly blank about the Shia narrative. Its only through alot of dis-intellectual gymnastics that you can stretch twist fold the verses of make an unsuccessful case. I do not care a thing about what Sunni scholars say as i am not an orthodox Sunni. As far as problem , it is more than obvious. How on earth can someone give alms while doing Ruku'? And more importantly , why on earth would God use such a vague and whimsical situation to announce the Wilayah of Ali. If God intended so , there would have been explicit verses in Quran about it.
  8. Where in Quran? No sane person can believe that the verses of Quran dealing with the wives of the Prophet would be infact telling us about the so called Itrat of ahlul bayt. You need a huge leap of faith and imagination to extrapolate that. The book of God has just become a toy in the hands of sectarianists who would twist the verses as their sectarian agenda fits into. Do you believe someone can be given charity while doing Ruku'? Do you think that God , as per 12ver version , would tell us about something as important as the Wilayah of Ali in such a whimsical way?
  9. Reformation did not help Christianity much theologically but socially it helped alot. It marked an end to the brutal Christian clergy using religion for politics and personal gains. The reformation shaped the west as it is today. Democracy , secularism , freedom of speech , scientific research and humanism all stemmed out of reformation. Theologically , reformation put an end to the Catholic innovations and malpractices as well.
  10. Bro i would not be much interested in Shia-Sunni polemics as i feel they serve no purpose but i would say that whatever whimsical hadiths i have found in Sunni books , can be more or less found in Shia books. The vast collection of hadiths are an encyclopedia of trash. You can find all kinds of irrational ,funny,unscientific,misogynistic,racist,mythical and homophobic stuff there. I can quote you all that stuff and i am sure you would run out of your defenses after 10.
  11. Right , Sunnis have "responses" to all those awkward hadiths as well. At the end of the day it all boils down to "My fart smells good while your's bad"
  12. Right and much more , similarly Al Kafi contains hadiths narrated by donkeys أن أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام قال: إن ذلك الحمار كلم رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله فقال: بأبي أنت وامي إن أبي حدثنى، عن أبيه، عن جده، عن أبيه أنه كان مع نوح في السفينة فقام إليه نوح فمسح على كفله ثم قال: يخرج من صلب هذا الحمار حمار يركبه سيد النبيين وخاتمهم، فالحمد لله الذي جعلني ذلك الحمار
  13. Right , sticking to orthodox Shia or Sunni creed these days need alot of blind faith. You shall have to fill your mind with religious fervor , stop questioning and become a part of herd. I wish Islam goes through some kind of global reformation like Christianity went through during the Protestant reformation otherwise there is no way out. "Scholars" from Hawzas and Madrassahs are just using the pulpits for sectarian purposes and religious scholarship has become more a matter of economics and finances
  14. There is a difference between any book and Hadith books. A book may be perplexing due to the author's approach or the topic but Hadith books have to be something different in which the author is just the last narrator of sayings attributed to the Prophet or Imams. I have skimmed through Sunni Hadith books and i do not find them so much stupefying as compared to Shia books. There are a number of problematic Hadiths in Bukhari/Muslim but when compared with Al-Kafi , the number is far lesser. Then you have Bihar al anwar of Majlisi which is replete with most problematic hadiths
  15. Right , i know that. Its only for this reason you would be scratching your head once you encounter the reality that infact he was a buman being like us valnerable to all those weaknesses and shortcomings that we all are.
  16. As far as Hadiths , i am not a rijal specialist but whenever i have opened a Shia hadith book randomly , i have found it to be a pandora box full of anything you can imagine of. These books when taken seriously can only add to confusion and perplexity about the 12ver Shia doctrines which are already chaotic and shakky.
  17. Hassan's divorces only become an issue when one sees him as a infallible divinely Imam rather than a human being. It is very much evident from his character that unlike his father and brother , he is a relaxed man who would rather sit than walk. He snubbed his father on the ocassion of Uthman's death and the snubbing continued all the way down to Siffain. He snubbed Hussein too when he showed reluctance to give pledge to Muaviya. Imam Hassan wanted to live a life of peace , harmony and tranquility and its no wonder that he married alot. While considering history of Islam , one should throw away the religious lenses and see it as any other history. Its only then the history and historical figures shall make sense. The Arab Bedoiun society after Prophet Muhammad went through a quick and robust social evolution. Wealth and luxuries were all of the sudden in abundance. Some of the Sahaba immersed themselves in power strugle as it happens every where. The only thing one can wish for after having plenty of wealth is power. The offsprings of the same Sahaba inhereted the genes of lust for power and the battles went on. It was only untill Abdul Malik ibn Marwan that the state authority became strong enough to curb the major rebellions and the Muslim empire became a "status quo" , a mix of secular and religious statehood full of ideological contradictions but practically viable.
  18. If one has to name the most irrational barbaric and inhuman religious ritual of our times , it has to be the self flagellation of all sorts done by some Shias.
  19. What I feel after going through the historical accounts is that Ali , Talhah and Zubair were the most politically ambitious "Sahabas". Zubair even sided with Hashmites for a brief period against the outcome of Saqifa. Interestingly these three " Sahaba" largely vanished from the scene once Abu Bakr took over and they remained inactive in terms of wars and administration. This further makes one believe that they were disgruntled and had a bad blood with the incumbent caliphs. Secondly , its also plausible that they were covertly planning against the caliphs to dethrone them. They were gathering and masting political support for themselves. All what these three were doing , actualized during the last years of Uthman. Ali had Egyptians , Persians and some Kufans on his side. Zubair had Basrans and Talhah had some support in Kufa. This political support which became obvious after Uthman , must have been gained in the decades pre Uthman turmoil. Thirdly , the offsprings of these three were politically ambitious as well. They carried on the legacy and you see all the Alids , Zubayrites inspirants of caliphate. The sons of Talhah (Who was the weakest among the three) lost prominence and joined the Zubayrites.
  20. Yeah I feel so that Ali was more close to Persian clients than the Sahabas. Its more likely that he spent his life as a disgruntled man once he was denied the caliphate. He could not fight for it and he must have thought that the majority of Sahabas don't like him. The ultimate shelter for Ali were the Persian clients who were aliens in Hijaz then and Ali's affiliation with them was very natural. A lonely man had found a company and a political support , something which careied on for generations to come. The reports of his cooperation with Omar are scarce and I feel that if that was the case we should have had abundant reports about it. What do you why Ali opened the case of the killing or Harmazan and his daughter against Obaydullah Ibn Omar as soon he became the caliph?
  21. There is no harm in murdering the enemy who wants to murder you. We don't know the exact circumstances but if Imam Ali had a role in Omar's murder , I don't find it something out of the blue. Murder was a normal thing back then.
  22. I was going through Twitter and I found a tweet which intrigued me. I have been hearing since my childhood that the Indian sage Mahatma Gandhi had expressed high praise for Al-Hussain. But the Tweet claims that its a fabrication and there is no evidence for this. Instead Gandhi has praised Abu Bakr and Omar. Can someone well versed in Gandhi comment on it? Source? Gandhi's praise for Abu Bakr and Omar
  23. For me he is a human being who was politically embattled with his opponents. They tried to nab him and he must have tried to nab them. It's all natural human tendency.
  24. I am not justifying Obayd's actions so spare me the copy paste.
  25. On the other hand , I feel Imam Ali had a covert role in the assassination of Omar. Firstly , Imam Ali was close to the Persian clients and right after the murder of Omar he has been quoted as saying "I have no role in it". Thirdly , when Obyadullah Ibn Omar went on spree killing to avenge the death of his father and ended up killing the daughter of Harmazan as well , it was Imam Ali who asked Uthman to impose death penalty upon Obayd as Qisas which Uthman refused. Fourthly , the first thing that Ali did as Caliph was to reopen Obaydullah's case and try him for the killings that he undertook as revenge of Omar's murder. This decision made Obaydullah flee to Mua'via and join his ranks.
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