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  1. It was Omar who was bent on chopping Abu Sufyan's head when he approached the Prophet just before the fall of Mecca and it was Abbas who pleaded in Abu Sufyan's favour telling Omar that you would not have asked for chopping his head had he been a Bani Adi.
  2. What is so reprehensible about a consensual sexual act that he/she be burnt to death? What you are saying is like saying that a person prone to sinistrality is not punishable but his act of writing with the left hand (to which he is neurologically prone to) is punishable.
  3. Hadiths like these are taking the people out of the fold of Islam and such narrations are quoted by many in the western world to shun away people from Islam and make them believe that Islamic Sharia is some barbaric code of law. Once we know that some people are genetically prone to homosexuality , who can justify such a barbaric stone age punishment inflicted upon a couple for just being homosexual? I wonder what was going in minds of the Hadithists when they were penning down such narrations and those who were "authenticating" them down the line.
  4. Why would anyone "attack" a benign personality like Abdullah Ibn Ja'far? What purpose does it serve? It was merely correcting the history. But it seems that you have taken the notion of infallibility to the next level ; from infallible Imams to the infallible Bani Hashim.
  5. Ws , I fear that's not very accurate as Budayh, Sahib Khathir, and Nashi-t were famous "full fledge" singers and all three of them had a very bad moral reputation as well. The association of Abdullah Ibn Ja'far with music is not limited to these narrations , there are much more to it
  6. Folk most probably as Abdullah Ibn Ja'far was more associated with folk vocalists. "Abd Allah loved music and did not see listening to it prohibited. He supported singers such as Budayh, Sahib Khathir, and Na[Edited Out]" http://en.mobile.wikishia.net/index.php/'Abd_Allah_b._Ja'far_b._Abi_Talib
  7. I believe that the the first 5 Imams were pious individuals and were great leaders who can be followed religiously but they were not infallible. I don't know much about the rest of the 6 Imams so I can't say anything about them. As far as Al Mahdi is concerned , I think there is ample evidence to the fact that Hassan Askari died issueless and the figure of his son was later innovated to keep the ball rolling. As far as house of Saud , I hope it falls apart soon. It would be in the interest of Muslims as a whole and we shall get rid of one the most pungent monarchy in the history of Islam
  8. If you focus too much on online forums and YouTube , you shall find a lot of ex Muslims and atheists but their percentage in the real world is very low.
  9. Abdullah ibn Ja'far used to sing songs in the court of Mua'via and use to take the notable vocalists of Arabia with him there. Perhaps to appease Mua'via so that he does not act against Banu Hashim
  10. I don't believe that a person known as Mahdi by the Shia and Sunnis was ever born or shall be born. Saudi monarchy is an evil and suppressive regime which has harmed the interests of Muslims for a long time. I don't see any pragmatic methodology to bring it down in near future. The strength of al Saud comes from four sources. First they have money and hence their money guarantees them internal stability and they use money as a foreign policy. The money is not going out anytime soon Secondly , they have a strong American backing which is why Saudia shall remain afloat in case
  11. PS : Lets focus on getting justice for the poor innocent boy rather than labeling his death as a sign of the arrival of Mahdi.
  12. Muhammad ibn Abdullah popularly known as "al-Nafs al-Zakiyya" was the grand grand son of Imam Hassan. He led an unsuccessful revolt against the Abbasid Caliph Al Mansur. Most of these revolts were rooted in eschatological claims and hence it was a popular myth those days that al-Nafs al-Zakiyya is the Mahdi. You can corelate his name to the name of Mahdi in Hadiths and see how these Hadiths originated or we're forged. Al-Nafs al-Zakiyya tried to imitate the Prophet while he was outnumbered and besieged with his supporters in Madina by the forces of Al Mansur , he claimed that this
  13. Ws , I would like to see the source of the claim that Zainab AS had put the condition and Abdullah ibn Ja'far diorced her on her own will. I have heard it many times but could not find it in any primary sources of history. After the dead of Yazid , amid all the chaos in the ranks of Ummayads , even Marwan was considering giving oath of allegiance to Abdullah Ibn Zubayr. As far as Abdullah Ibn Ja'far's association with Ummayads , they are well established , so much so that he named a son of him Mua'viya
  14. The argument was that Abdullah Ibn Ja'far associated with Yazid even after Karbala. Given the fact that he was the ex Husband of Zainab , his post Karbala stance clearly indicates that he was pro Ummayads.
  15. Yazid wrote to Uthman Ibn Muhammad Ibn Abi Sufyan that Abdullah Ibn Zubayr , who had then shown some willingness to give oath of allegiance to Yazid , be sent to Damascus only in chains. Ibn Zubayr upon hearing this retracted from his stance of giving oath. Abdullah ibn Ja'far was persuading Yazid in Damascus to give up on the idea of chain but Yazid was adamant claiming that he had sworn to God that he would chain ibn Zubayr. Abdullah ibn Ja'far advised Yazid to make a chain of gold and silver so that ibn Zubayr won't feel humiliated but the idea did not work.
  16. I feel , the details are unwarranted and superfluous. Its like asking how does God exist and how is her seated on his thorn and how does he interact with the physical realm? Though the only relevant thing is that He exists. Secondly , the dichotomy of matter and spirit parts of human body is illusory when it comes to perception and cognitive faculties so it does not matter whether it was a physical journey or a spiritual one. The fact is that the Prophet ascended to heavens as described by the Qur'an and the details are unwarranted.
  17. This is just a political slogan. Lets start with the basics. The punishment for a married person committing adultery in Stoning to death in both Shia and Sunni Islam. The Qur'an explicitly states that the punishment for adultery is hundred lashes but Hadiths state that the punishment for a married one is Stoning to death. Surah Noor Verse #2 “The fornicatress and the fornicator, scourge you each one of them (with) a hundred stripes. And let not pity for them withhold you from enforcing the sentence of Allah, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of the Believers wi
  18. I feel something is missing in all this evolution Vs creation / intelligent design debate. The stand points have not been properly understood rather this debate has evolved into Atheism Vs Theism debate which makes the whole scenario fogged by biases. I would personally approach it like this. Is the theory of evolution an established scientific fact? I would say No but it is the only naturalistic explanation to the origin of species , bio-diversification and certain properties of the living structures today. Am I a creationist or do I take intelligent design as a scientific fact? No , I am agn
  19. One way or the other , we all are "Hadith rejectors" of some sort. The Shias would reject most of the Sunni Hadiths and the Sunnis would reject the Shias Hadith. Then with in Shias and Sunnis , people would reject Hadiths based on their own subsectarian affiliations. The huge collections of Sunni and Shia hadiths have some extremely problematic Hadiths which defy Qur'an , logic , human rational and science. Pick up any book of Hadith , if you can read Arabic pick up Al-Kafi and start reading random hadiths , you shall find out that most of the Hadiths are bizarre and what we hear from the pulp
  20. With such analogies and extrapolations , you can even "prove" that Trump is a female negro. Go for that.
  21. Are you saying that God lost the Prophet and then found him? I mean really?
  22. There is a clear verse in Qur'an which shatters the belief of by birth Prophet. Duha 93 وَوَجَدَكَ ضَالًّا فَهَدَىٰ ( God found you lost and then guided you)
  23. There is no point in arguing it any further but let me give you a clear example of exclusion 1. Max and Hardy you should obey A , B and C 2. Max and Hardy if you dispute among yourselves refer it back to A and B (No C here ) 3 Definitely the dispute has to be among Max , Hardy and C thats why C is excluded from premise # 2 Can it be more clearer than this?
  24. The verse is clear. God is commanding people to obey God , his messenger and those in authority. The second part of the verse is clearly saying that if you have a dispute with those in authority then refer it to God and his messenger so this establishes that only they have the absolute authority. The contradiction is so much evident that we have a Hadith which States that the real verse had Ulil amr along with God and his messenger as absolute authority. عَلِيُّ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنِ ابْنِ أَبِي عُمَيْرٍ عَنْ عُمَرَ بْنِ أُذَيْنَةَ عَنْ بُرَيْدِ بْنِ مُعَاوِيَةَ قَالَ
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